The Lost Boys (1987)

[00:00:05] Speaker A: Welcome, listener, to the return slot. Cry, little sister. [00:00:15] Speaker B: I was gonna find a way to say keeping it. [00:00:23] Speaker A: Well, welcome anyhow. [00:00:25] Speaker B: Out. [00:00:27] Speaker A: A podcast recorded in the basement of a video store. After hours, when the doors are locked, the vhs are rewound, and the moon is glowing pale blue on a brisk and breezy night, we like to hang out in the basement, crack open a drink, and discuss our beloved genre, horror. Every episode, we invite you to join us for a drink in the basement as we discuss a film selected from one of our painstakingly curated subsections of the video store. That's right. For the uninitiated. Mickey, can you explain this concept? [00:00:57] Speaker B: Well, back in the day, before there was streaming and even before blockbuster, there were these independent video stores. And to appease the appetites of movie nerds like myself, Michelangelo, the Frog brothers, they would fill the shelves with video nasties. These mom and pop shops were responsible for taking the horror genre from limited theater runs and late night drive ins to every town in America. But what really made these video stores special, yes, even Max's, were the people working in the store, curating personalized sections based on their interests and the interests of their patrons. Recommendations based on conversations, not algorithms. So here at the return slot, we keep that spirit alive and strong. We hope you enjoy perusing our sections and joining in our conversations. [00:01:41] Speaker A: This week we find ourselves in the sex, lies and bloody napes section of the video store. Tonight, we continue our season three premiere with our final apertif to our Halloween episodes. Because everyone knows Halloween isn't a day or a month, but a season that starts very lightly in August and increases in spooky intensity throughout September until its bloody abdominal climax in the holiest of months, October. Just around the corner tonight, we are joined again by this beautiful. [00:02:21] Speaker B: Slightly bearded. [00:02:22] Speaker A: Right now, usually fully bearded man. I love him too much. Maybe too much. Maybe too much. [00:02:30] Speaker B: You should get a room. Do I need to leave? [00:02:39] Speaker C: If you were sitting in your home or your car, maybe you're working on some laundry. And you started off with that horrendous song from the this weird homo erotic love letter. God bless you for hanging in there to this point. [00:02:54] Speaker A: And it's not weird because it's homo erotic. [00:02:59] Speaker B: From you. [00:03:00] Speaker C: It is. [00:03:04] Speaker A: Weird because of this. Yeah, I'm being inappropriate work. But guess what? The doors are locked, so that means you have free radio to do. We're in the basement. [00:03:16] Speaker C: Let's just keep doubling down. [00:03:19] Speaker B: Immigrants, maybe. [00:03:24] Speaker A: Oh, boy. It has been a whirlwind from our last episode to this episode. [00:03:34] Speaker C: You guys went on vacation. I had to run the video store by myself. [00:03:37] Speaker B: We did. [00:03:38] Speaker A: We left him in charge. We left him in charge. [00:03:40] Speaker C: I don't know how to use the cash register. I just took all that money. [00:03:44] Speaker B: Neither do I, actually. Don't. [00:03:47] Speaker A: We don't really understand how a lot. It's the talking to the people. As long as you talk and recommend films to people, that's really all that matters. [00:03:59] Speaker C: Don't think you understand commerce. [00:04:02] Speaker A: Commerce. Nism. [00:04:04] Speaker C: Yes. How'd you guess? [00:04:05] Speaker B: Commerce. [00:04:08] Speaker A: That was a terrible communist joke. Wasn't even a joke. That's just stupidity on my end. [00:04:14] Speaker C: It was great. [00:04:17] Speaker A: Oh, man. I think our drinks might play into this before we get to the film. But I got to tell you, this is the first year that my partner Allie was like, when are you busting out the Halloween decorations? [00:04:33] Speaker C: You have won her over. One of us. [00:04:36] Speaker A: Google, gobble, gobble. She's working for a company right now called Red Tower. Search them out on YouTube. And now that she's in the sort of social media game, she's like, well, we got the cats. And I want to take photos of the cats with the Halloween stuff. I'm like, oh, all my years of carefully curating all these Halloween decorations because you can't do it all at once. Instead of like, Chris knows what I'm talking about here because he's a homeowner. But instead of slowly curating all your tools and things and building up all these tools that you need to maintain a house throughout the years, most people just want to get it done all at once, and I get everything, but you got to build it slowly as things go along. So that's what I do every year. So I try to get a few really good pieces that I'm going to love, that I'm going to enjoy seeing for years on end. [00:05:33] Speaker C: You're a Halloween decoration edger. You believe in edging Halloween decorations big time. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Well, thanks, Mickey, for insulting me there. I'm not vulnerable right now or anything. [00:05:49] Speaker B: I love that you love Halloween. I love Halloween. I love Halloween decorations. I don't have to hear about how you particularly like to decorate your particular home for 15 minutes. I do love you, though. [00:06:00] Speaker C: That's what the rest of the episode is going to be, though, right? [00:06:03] Speaker A: Decorations, episode. [00:06:05] Speaker B: Then next to the pumpkin, I like to put down two. Nice. [00:06:09] Speaker A: Am I Michael Jackson? [00:06:10] Speaker B: No, I was thinking you're like NPR. That's what I'm feeling like. Sure. And now we have our guest, Michelangelo, talked to us about Halloween decorations. Hi. Yeah, thanks. So, anyway, I don't know, that was a miss for a joke. Continue. [00:06:24] Speaker A: I like I'm supporting you even when you're insulting. [00:06:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:29] Speaker A: Son of a bitch. This is an adult podcast. [00:06:36] Speaker C: Because you cuss. [00:06:38] Speaker B: What? [00:06:39] Speaker A: Yeah, because I say cursing. [00:06:41] Speaker B: Dong fart. [00:06:44] Speaker A: Pumpkin fart. Because it's Halloween season. Pumpkin fart. [00:06:47] Speaker C: You put candy corn up your ass. [00:06:48] Speaker B: And blow it out. [00:06:50] Speaker A: Speaking of candy corn in your ass, boys, what are we drinking tonight? Mickey, would you like to start us out? [00:06:57] Speaker B: Well, we're at the end of September, and if anybody knows anything, Oktoberfest is September time. So I'm having myself a nice pin brewery. Oktoberfest. Yeah, a little local yokel Oktoberfest beer. There. A man and woman in their leader, hozen, having a swell time. So that's what I'm having. Let's kick in the season right from this point forward, I end my Oktoberfest drinking, and I start sampling the pumpkins. Nice. [00:07:28] Speaker A: Yeah, we're right around. I saw my first pumpking in the grocery store. [00:07:33] Speaker B: It's coming. [00:07:34] Speaker A: The sightings have come. Mickey, I got to say. So Mickey and I were recently on a vacation together by the lake in the Mountains, and Mickey brought. [00:07:47] Speaker C: Business retreat. [00:07:48] Speaker B: A business retreat. Exactly. Tax write off. Exactly. [00:07:52] Speaker C: Welcome. [00:07:52] Speaker B: You can owe me. [00:07:53] Speaker A: Thank you. I can own you. [00:07:55] Speaker C: You can own me. [00:07:58] Speaker A: Can I own you, though? [00:07:59] Speaker B: I think we probably already owe him for watching the store for us while we were gone. [00:08:03] Speaker A: But yeah, no, that's a gift to him. That's a vacation. That's a working vacation. The definition of a working vacation. But Mickey was nice enough to bring a bunch of beers, so not only do I have that beer, Mickey, that you just mentioned on hand, but I also have an iron city inside of this beer, Koozie. That is a. [00:08:30] Speaker B: Pittsburgh pirates. But everybody calls them the bucks. The Buccaneers. Like, let's go, bucks. [00:08:35] Speaker A: That's how much I know about sports. [00:08:38] Speaker B: A lot of Pittsburgh people were like, was he about to call the Pittsburgh baseball team the Buccaneers? [00:08:43] Speaker C: I was going to say, yeah, there you go. [00:08:47] Speaker B: But this is a classic iron City original recipe, too. [00:08:53] Speaker A: It's quite lovely. [00:08:54] Speaker B: Iron City there for a moment, for those who know, sold into a big conglomerate and then was bought back not long ago by brewery. I bet we have a lot more people, actually, no, you're right. I deserve that. [00:09:13] Speaker A: I don't think you deserved it, but your wife got me on vacation. I was trying this for the first time. We were outside grilling, and I was tasting the Iron City, and I was like, this is good. And she's like, yeah, it is. It is. And she like, this is a beer drinker's beer. [00:09:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:36] Speaker A: I was like, that's fucking brilliant, Molly. [00:09:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:39] Speaker A: That's exactly what. Little did I know that it literally says it on the neck of the bottle. Yeah, but she was like a good actor. [00:09:48] Speaker B: She delivered it well. [00:09:49] Speaker A: Yeah, she delivered. [00:09:52] Speaker B: Chris. Yo. [00:09:54] Speaker A: Do you have a spooky cocktail for this brisk autumn evening? [00:09:58] Speaker C: I do, I do. It's more inspired, I'd say, by the film itself, but I have a little drink. It's a play on a Cuba libre meets a calimoko, in case, if you know those cocktails. I call it the Michael, Michael, Michael, Michael. [00:10:16] Speaker A: Maybe Michael. [00:10:18] Speaker C: That phrase is said according to line 114 times. [00:10:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:23] Speaker A: More than Karen and Goodfellows. [00:10:25] Speaker B: This brings up a question. I had a question for you guys. I was going to ask you. Michael is said more times this Halloween or the Godfather. I guess you looked it up. [00:10:37] Speaker A: This? [00:10:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It's got other movies I thought about. It's like Michael said a lot in Halloween. It said a lot in the Godfather. [00:10:43] Speaker C: There actually, gentlemen, who about six years ago, you can find this online. He did an alternate cut of this film and only included scenes in which the phrase Michael was said. It only takes out ten minutes of screen time. [00:10:59] Speaker A: Shut up. [00:11:00] Speaker B: That's incredible. Wow. Yeah. [00:11:02] Speaker C: Hilarious. [00:11:03] Speaker A: But anyway, before you get to the cocktail, I do want to mention I was recently home, and there I am called Michael. And I would prefer to be called Michael for tonight's podcast. For the rest of the podcast, if you can remember, I think it has. [00:11:16] Speaker C: To be said a little loudly, and does with the. [00:11:24] Speaker B: Michael, Michael, Michael. [00:11:27] Speaker C: You're one of us. Michael, put your hand on my thigh, Michael. [00:11:32] Speaker A: We're getting to that. But anyway, the drink, the spooky this is. [00:11:39] Speaker C: You're going to take a couple of strawberries, you're going to muddle it with a little mint. You could do mint. I'm not the big fan on mint. So I go basil, some dry red wine, some white rum, a little lemon, and an organic or a mexican Coca cola. Something with pure cane sugar, not that high fructose corn syrup bullshit. [00:11:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:58] Speaker C: Over ice. [00:12:02] Speaker A: Story. [00:12:03] Speaker C: The calimoco is a spanish cocktail that's literally just red wine and Coca Cola. And it was used, actually to get rid of red wine. I actually would recommend that you pour this in a bedazzled bottle, maybe tell some people, like, yes, like. [00:12:27] Speaker A: My father used to drink. I think I've talked about it before, but he had a friend named Nastazi who made homemade wine and it was like gasoline. And he was like, oh, you're not supposed to drink it straight up. You mix it with seven. So it's a pretty common thing to mix a wine concentrate with, like, a soda of some kind or what do you call them, Chris? Do you call it soda or pop? [00:12:55] Speaker C: I normally call, like, if it's Coca Cola, Coke, if it's not that. Probably like, growing up, it was pop. As I've gotten older, I feel like I sound like an idiot saying that, so I started calling them sodas more. [00:13:07] Speaker A: Yeah, but there's a listener if you call it Soda or pop. We're not saying you're an idiot. [00:13:14] Speaker C: No, I disagree. [00:13:15] Speaker A: You're big old moron. [00:13:18] Speaker B: Meet me in the. [00:13:21] Speaker A: And Chris grew up in Kansas. [00:13:23] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:13:24] Speaker C: I'm a big dummy, but I can still. [00:13:26] Speaker A: He's a big old. He's. [00:13:29] Speaker B: He's a. [00:13:29] Speaker A: He's one of the smartest people I know. And Mickey, what did you call him growing up? [00:13:34] Speaker B: Well, I grew up in East Texas, so everything was a. Even. [00:13:39] Speaker A: Even like a seven up or a sprite. [00:13:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:42] Speaker A: Or everything was a. Coke is backwards. [00:13:48] Speaker B: No, Coca Cola is Coca Cola, but everything is coke. And it's like you go to a restaurant and say. The waiter would say, what kind of coke do you want? And you go, I'll take. [00:14:05] Speaker A: No Sodi pops or Soda pops. [00:14:07] Speaker C: Sodi pop. [00:14:08] Speaker B: Sodi pops. So we didn't say Sodi pop. We didn't. [00:14:14] Speaker C: It's in a Stephen King novel, isn't it? Sody? [00:14:17] Speaker A: Probably. I read a lot of it. [00:14:19] Speaker B: Just. [00:14:19] Speaker A: Yeah, it seeps in. [00:14:24] Speaker B: Know. [00:14:25] Speaker A: It created a lot of terms. [00:14:26] Speaker C: Role model. [00:14:27] Speaker B: Right. [00:14:28] Speaker A: Nothing weird and sexual going on there at all, ever. I don't care what you say. So tonight, tonight, tonight we are talking about. And I'm going to quote this first part. I'm quoting Jason Patrick. Okay, so I didn't come up with this. This is what I've heard from Jason Patrick. So I don't know if he got it from somewhere. But tonight we are talking about the best coming of age vampire beach movie ever made. Richard Donner. You like that, Richard? Competition, right? Richard Donner and Joel Schumacher team up. 1987, the Lost Boys. Now, Mickey. [00:15:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:18] Speaker A: Why are we talking about this wonderful vampire coming of age beach movie tonight? [00:15:25] Speaker B: Coming of age is a perfect way of saying it. This movie was not, obviously, when I was a child, when this came out, I was not watching this film. My earliest recollection of this film is with my older brother when he was a senior in high school, sitting down and watching it with him. And I feel like he made me watch this because he's like, you got to see this. You'll really like it. And I loved it. It's such a fun movie. It was a coming of age film for me. It made me feel like I turned a corner as well when I watched it. Then later on, when I remember when years had gone by and all my siblings had moved out, and it was just me and my parents decided to move to Newtown. I picked up this movie the summer that I moved to Lubbock, Texas, when I was in 7th grade, or I was actually going into 8th grade, and I watched it again, and it gave me hope. Know, these people are moving to a new town and they find their people. We can say that Michael probably didn't find his, but. But he found some people. [00:16:32] Speaker A: You could argue that that's going to come up later, but you could argue. [00:16:36] Speaker B: And then I've seen it more than I can count. I've seen this movie more times than I can count. And then I most recently was with a young soldier of a mere 20 years old. And when talking with the soldier, I said, but there's one movie you got to see. Got to watch lost Boys. So me and the whole team, the whole unit got together, put on. We did a lost boys watch night. And it was in that moment I realized this movie is for a person of a certain age, because that 20. [00:17:12] Speaker A: Year old play, that 20 year old. [00:17:16] Speaker B: Female was like. [00:17:19] Speaker A: Well, female. [00:17:20] Speaker B: Well, right. [00:17:22] Speaker A: I think this plays hard through a boy's eyes. I'm not saying it's only for boys. [00:17:28] Speaker B: Hold on, hold on. This is eye candy for, I would think, a female. There are movies that I watched that were led by strong female cast that I was like, I like all these ladies. I can't imagine a female not watching this, a heterosexual female not being really turned on by this film, by the. [00:17:52] Speaker A: Sex phone player Tim Capello. Obviously, that's what all women want, the. [00:18:00] Speaker B: Sexy music, just like, the whole thing. [00:18:05] Speaker C: I very much agree with something that was said. This, incredibly, would play well for a certain age. I think where I would disagree is the 20 year old. 20 year old. I think you've overshot it. This is that, like, I'd say 13 to maybe 17 range. [00:18:19] Speaker B: I would say it was playing for a 40 year old. I know really well. [00:18:25] Speaker A: No, I think what Chris is saying for the first. [00:18:27] Speaker B: I know what he's saying. I fully understood it. I know what he meant. [00:18:31] Speaker C: But, yes. [00:18:33] Speaker A: So you think either a. So, Chris, are you saying if you're seeing this for the first time. The sweet range is the teenage years, obviously. But do you think, like, a 40 year old watching it for the first time would also. [00:18:50] Speaker C: Okay, see, here's the thing, though, right? A 40 year old today watching it, it might work because of that. Your memories of growing up in the whole thing. If we're talking a 40 that's like 20 years from now, that has no time in the 80s. No, I think that there's definitely a range here that it hits. But I will say this, though. It's like one of those things, right? This thing goes so hard on the style of the. Think it's going to click with a new viewer outside of the 80s sometimes, and sometimes it won't. You know what I mean? Because it can be seen as corny, it being so hard in that 80s stylings in so many ways. Music, dress, hairstyles, even the way the film was done. You know what mean? Like, there's a lot of. [00:19:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:41] Speaker A: Um, Chris, what is your history with. [00:19:46] Speaker C: Know, it's funny, actually. I was thinking about, don't. I always remember seeing this in parts. And it never really quite clicked with me. I liked it, but I wasn't infatuated by it or anything like that. You know what I mean? And I think that maybe I just saw it maybe at a point in time. I think that growing up, there was definitely eras that I really appreciated the 80s stylings and times that I did not. So I think that with that, it didn't quite click with me in the right time. I think sitting down and watching it today, I definitely see the positives to it, for sure. But as a whole, it doesn't quite work for me. But I see why it would be incredibly liked for. [00:20:39] Speaker A: Mickey. Now, we've talked about this before on the podcast, but you were a hunter of monsters as a child, and I would like some details on this. So we're repeating ourselves a little bit here. I want you to really dive deep. But on top of that is this movie and monster Squad essentially the blueprint for your whole setup? [00:21:10] Speaker B: It has to be, right? It has to be. I think Monster Squad probably was like, the reason I did what I did was because of Monster Squad. And then watching a movie like this in fifth grade, fourth grade, wherever it was, my brother was like, sit down, I've got to show you something. At that point, I was like, this reinforces and I'm doubling down. And it's funny. I remember in my mind, and this is like going back a while back, but I remember in my mind as a child watching it, and the frog brothers were, like, super cool. They were the protagonists. They were the heroes. They were the Rambos. They were incredible when I was a kid, and then as an adult, I'm like, oh, they're the comedy relief. But it's funny. As a kid, you're watching them and you're taking them very seriously. I'm like, I totally get it. Yeah. It's like, I'd be like, no, dude, you got to understand, these guys are dead meat, man. The memories of being at that age and looking at those guys and being like, number one, they're cool. Number two, they're obviously the heroes, right? Obviously. It's exciting to watch a film so. [00:22:24] Speaker A: You'Re quick to stab the woman as well. [00:22:27] Speaker B: Yeah, right, exactly. [00:22:31] Speaker A: Let's get her. [00:22:36] Speaker B: Yeah, but let's just get rid of her. But, yeah. No, genuinely, as a kid, this movie was very different than when you get older and you realize some of the things that the filmmakers are doing that are jokes. But as a little kid watching it, you're not in on the joke for you, it's not a joke for you. It's like, I get the joke. You know what I mean? I get the irony of it. But the irony, actually, is that this is what kids are like, right? It's like they have active imaginations and they will buy into things that are absolutely ridiculous. And then, like, myself, I believe in vampires. And then see something like this and be, like, totally feel vindicated and be like, yes. You see what I mean? It's like you want one of me in your town, right? It's like people say, talk about representation, and I recognize that as, like, no, I'm this serious. I recognize that as race and gender and sex. I do recognize. That's what we talk about. But I also need representation as far as, like, vampire hunters, as far as being like, the nerdy kid that likes what he likes. And you always feel like the jocks are the heroes in most things. And then you see something like this. You see something like goonies with a kid with asthma. It's like those things speak to you in a way where you're like, I must have been one of these kids because that's how it spoke to me. [00:24:02] Speaker C: You pulled that one out. That was good. But, yeah, I was wondering there for a second. [00:24:06] Speaker A: You did have a was. [00:24:09] Speaker B: It was in a nanook, but, yeah, but I had my own version of a. Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant. [00:24:13] Speaker A: That's what meant. [00:24:13] Speaker B: Yeah. And I had an older brother who was as dashing and cool as Michael and was, like, falling in. And the first time I saw him smoke was around the same time that we watched this. And I was, like, so concerned for him because I watched him smoke with budies while playing volleyball, and I was, like, sitting on the sideline, I was like, what are you doing, man? I'm going to tell mom. And he's like, shut up, man. [00:24:34] Speaker A: Just shut up. [00:24:35] Speaker B: And he's like, be cool, dude. Be cool. There was a lot of my own. [00:24:40] Speaker A: Is this the cult brother? [00:24:41] Speaker B: This is the cult brother. [00:24:43] Speaker A: Was this top gun volleyball? Is he a scientologist? [00:24:48] Speaker B: Actually, it kind of was top gun volleyball. They were all cool playing volleyball, like, all the juniors and seniors. And my brother just happened to be. That year, he kind of drifted away from sports, and he'd started a rock and roll band, and he had cool hair, very similar to Jason Patrick's, and kind of looked know lead singer's doors, Jim Morrison, for those who don't know. And so, yeah, there's a lot of parallels between this film and my own life as far as brotherhood and things like that. I will say that this is not the quintessential film on being brothers, but there are times when this really works as a film about brothers. [00:25:30] Speaker C: It's pretty good in that way. I agree. [00:25:33] Speaker A: We all have brothers here. It nails brotherhood, and I think it also nails, and I want to get into it later. But the initiation that young men put each other through, absolutely. In order to become friends, quote unquote. [00:25:56] Speaker B: I wrote in my notes about, in the first, like, 15 minutes, I was like, oh, man. It just dawned on me. I was like, michelangelo and I are like the lost boys, and Chris is like Michael, and we're putting him through all these things to make sure he fits in. We're putting him through a couple of hazing things, and then about 30, and. [00:26:16] Speaker A: We want to have sex with them. [00:26:17] Speaker B: And about 30, 40 minutes in, I was like, no, we're the frog brothers. [00:26:21] Speaker A: And Sam, just real quick, no, that means not nook. [00:26:26] Speaker C: Does that mean that I can stop eating centipedes? Is that what that means? [00:26:30] Speaker B: Yeah, you can stop eating all the. [00:26:33] Speaker A: Worms, and you're not eating them, you're swallowing them whole. They're coming out of you. At some point, it's dangerous, but they'll eat all the roaches inside of you. [00:26:43] Speaker B: Oh, good win. Yeah. [00:26:46] Speaker A: My history is similar to Chris's, where it's like, it's hard to remember the first time I saw this. It was always around, and if you're a constant listener. You know, I was scared of scary movies when I was a kid. So this was a movie that I took really seriously as a kid. When I would see sections, I was like, this is very serious. Like, the rock brothers were like, fucking badasses. People were dying and vampires and Keefer was scary. [00:27:19] Speaker B: So scary. [00:27:23] Speaker A: And then, honestly, I think the first time I saw this in full, I might have been in my late twenty s. I can't remember, but when I saw it, it was like a film I had grown up watching. It just has that quality to people of a certain age. And I just so identified with the relationship with the brothers, trying to fit in, trying to get what you'll do in order to get a girl to like you. [00:27:59] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:28:00] Speaker A: I don't know if we're all heterosexual men, but I don't know if homosexual men or anyone on the sexual spectrum, if anyone else has to jump through, seemingly jump through the kind of hoops you feel like you have to jump through. [00:28:21] Speaker C: That's a human experience. [00:28:22] Speaker A: That's a human experience, yeah. [00:28:25] Speaker C: No matter who you're trying to be with. [00:28:26] Speaker B: I think. Don't you think? [00:28:29] Speaker A: I will say. And we'll get into this. Like, it goes into what I wanted. Tim Capello brings this up. It has to do with the era we grew up in and what society was telling us was a masculine, attractive, desirable man. [00:28:55] Speaker B: Right. [00:28:55] Speaker A: And the reflection of what then I wanted to be based off something bad. [00:29:01] Speaker C: About Tim Capello and his. [00:29:06] Speaker A: Offended. Not at all. But I think Mickey and I connect a lot on this. And that's like this idea that basically what we grew up thinking girls wanted was really what a gay man living in Chelsea in the late 80s would want. And that's been my experience that it's like girls don't care about big muscles or all the things that I thought they would care about. As I've become a man and I've been with women who have told me what they find attractive about me and what they find desirable in a mate. Surprisingly, it has nothing to do with guns. Big muscles, big oil muscles, boots, tight pants. Like, these things haven't really had an effect on attracting a female mate. [00:30:05] Speaker B: Well, there's just a whole world of the homo eroticism between guy friendships and male relationships, where it's like, especially ones that are kind of built on these masculine tropes of our childhood. There is a lot of like, it's like we get oiled up and we lift weights together, and then we like, yes, we do. [00:30:34] Speaker A: When do you guys get oiled, you and me. Hey, we were on vacation. We were on a work retreat, but we never got oiled up. Mickey, I did see you in. It was a great. That was an amazing. Yeah, he looks amazing in pantaloons. [00:30:52] Speaker B: Thank you. I did put on pantaloons while on a pedal board, but there is, like, a whole thing about it. The ways in which there's a certain type of male friendship that I've had where it could easily have been construed as, you two should be dating each other, because all you want to do is just sit there and talk with each other and work out together, and you talk about each other's bodies constantly, and you're always, yeah, I've had those. Wait, Chris, Chris, look, right now is like, okay, keep going. [00:31:35] Speaker A: Chris, Chris. Remember when we were driving in the car together and I was like, one of the things I love about our relationship is that maybe we'll have sex. [00:31:42] Speaker B: You remember this? Yeah, I do. [00:31:48] Speaker A: I have an ex girlfriend who Chris knew, and I remember her saying, you have a real greek meaning. Ancient Greek. What's the word I'm looking for, Chris, what's the word I'm looking for? [00:32:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:13] Speaker C: Greek relationship. Like, clearly trying to mean we'd like, oil up and wrestle each other. [00:32:18] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah, but not that. [00:32:21] Speaker A: But just as close as you can. [00:32:22] Speaker B: Get to it, basically. [00:32:24] Speaker C: I think that she probably thought that. [00:32:26] Speaker A: No, yeah. [00:32:29] Speaker B: And by Greek you mean like college, fraternal, like fraternity, like greek life. [00:32:38] Speaker A: Like Achilles or anything? Fraternities, for sure. [00:32:43] Speaker B: Brad Pitt. Achilles kind of a thing. [00:32:46] Speaker A: Oh, let's talk about Brad Pitt. [00:32:48] Speaker B: For a vampire, there's a good looking vampire. [00:32:56] Speaker A: That's a good vampire. [00:32:59] Speaker B: Anne Rice was inspiration on this film right here. [00:33:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess she would have to be, right? [00:33:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:10] Speaker C: This is the screenplay. [00:33:13] Speaker B: Yeah. On the writers. [00:33:15] Speaker A: On the writers, yeah. She didn't work on this in any. [00:33:20] Speaker B: Her books. When they were thinking about what kind of vampires they're going to make, they were going to make them more like they didn't dive into the lore, but they did make them sexier, like Anne Rice. [00:33:30] Speaker A: This originally, as I'm sure you may know, similar to another, to a Halloween classic, hocus pocus. Originally written for younger kids, it was a Peter Pan meets goonies and vampires sort of story. I would like to read that screenplay, but Joel Schumacher was like, no, let's make these sexy teenage vampires. [00:33:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:54] Speaker C: You come across that quote, something about, like, you wanted to make a vampire film because vampires are sexy. Can't make other monsters be sexy, like Frankenstein or something. [00:34:02] Speaker B: Like that. Pretty funny. [00:34:04] Speaker A: I don't know, man. You ever see Franken Hooker? Pretty fucking sexy Franken Hooker. [00:34:12] Speaker C: It's an 80s. [00:34:13] Speaker A: It's a classic. It's a classic. It's a good bad movie. [00:34:18] Speaker C: Yeah. Very silly. [00:34:23] Speaker A: Nepotism at its best, right? [00:34:26] Speaker B: This film. Yeah. Sutherland. Jason Patrick. [00:34:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Real quick, though, before I finish the history section of this, I got to say, I missed out on some major films due to fear when I was a kid because I was scared of the scary movies. And I got to tell you, it's a great metaphor for life. Don't make fear based decisions. [00:34:56] Speaker B: Right. Don't let that. [00:35:01] Speaker C: Like when you were, like, a little kid. [00:35:03] Speaker A: Yeah, anytime. Anytime. Even when you're a little kid. When you're a little kid, that's when you should be your bravest. That's when you should be your, you know, time and place. But you might live longer, but at what? Know? Cowards die many times before their own deaths. And I think the sooner you have that realization, the better. [00:35:23] Speaker C: Quote unquote Michelangelo. Little kids, you should be more trusting. [00:35:27] Speaker B: Meet strangers. [00:35:32] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. Try to say something honest. [00:35:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:38] Speaker A: And Chris here is making very crude jokes. I hope you run for office one day. [00:35:46] Speaker C: Nothing seems to hold anyone back. [00:35:51] Speaker B: That's locker room. That's basement talk. That's just basement talk. [00:35:55] Speaker C: Just basement talk. [00:35:56] Speaker A: That's basement talk. Oh, Chris, did you notice the David Cross cameo? [00:36:04] Speaker C: No. [00:36:04] Speaker A: When the opening segment montage with the people are strange. People are strange when they're in. There's a guy with a hood and glasses on. He kind of, like, looks towards the camera. It's not David Cross, but it. [00:36:20] Speaker C: You fucking got me, you son of a bitch. [00:36:22] Speaker A: I got you, you son of a bitch. [00:36:24] Speaker B: The girl kisses the rat. [00:36:26] Speaker C: Yeah, I was going to say that montage was the only time there's anyone not white in it. [00:36:30] Speaker B: Yeah, that montage, that's a failing of. [00:36:33] Speaker A: This film, for sure. [00:36:35] Speaker B: Failing of every film at that time. [00:36:37] Speaker A: Alex Winter playing someone called Marco. I love Alex Winter. Keep him in the best. [00:36:42] Speaker B: But. [00:36:42] Speaker C: Yes. [00:36:43] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I actually did. But just as a side note, I do like that montage a lot. [00:36:51] Speaker A: Sets it up perfectly. Does the boardwalk play a role in your life at any point? [00:36:59] Speaker C: I was going to bring that up. No, I've never had a boardwalk experience, really, in my life. [00:37:04] Speaker A: Really? [00:37:04] Speaker C: Yeah. I know. And as someone who I think so much in pop culture, it's played such a role. I've always been envious of that. I think more so, like, having that when you're in puberty, a kid, that type of thing. Boardwalk experience. But no, never. You guys, though, you have? [00:37:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah. [00:37:25] Speaker A: We were lucky enough to experience the east coast in our 20s. So I'm assuming. Is that your boardwalk experience, Mickey? [00:37:39] Speaker B: You mean Coney island? Yeah, that was not my only one, but yeah, I mean, that's one of them, sure. My parents like to go to Galveston and Corpus Christi in Texas, which had a boardwalk. Really? And then also, how does Texas boardwalk. [00:37:54] Speaker A: Compare to like Jersey and New York boardwalk? [00:37:58] Speaker B: It's the, they're, they're a lot more white people than the ones in Texas. [00:38:06] Speaker A: So it's like this movie. [00:38:08] Speaker B: Yeah. So it looks a lot like the California ones. It's much like. No, they, yeah, they're basically the, it's like, it's like a pretty standard thing. It's like you put up a boardwalk, you make sure there's a Ferris wheel and some little rides for everybody, and there's lots of teen places to get candy, popcorn and hot dogs. It's standard, standard fare. [00:38:35] Speaker A: You ever kiss a girl under the boardwalk? [00:38:37] Speaker B: Yeah, under the boardwalk. No, I've never kissed a girl on a boardwalk, except for my wife. [00:38:43] Speaker A: But you've kissed her on the boardwalk. [00:38:45] Speaker B: Oh, I've kissed her on the boardwalk. Don't you? [00:38:52] Speaker A: Respectable podcast. She's the voice of the podcast. Let's not be inappropriate here. [00:38:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:00] Speaker C: Did you guys ever come across the warriors in Coney island? [00:39:06] Speaker A: Someone asked me to come out to play. [00:39:12] Speaker B: So I did. Can you dig it? [00:39:15] Speaker A: I did dig. [00:39:20] Speaker B: I, yeah. Boardwalk's also with my own kids. It's like, we've know, living in Pittsburgh, one of the summer trips you typically take are to somewhere like Myrtle, you know, one of those places pretty standard for, um. So they've done a couple boardwalks in their lives. And then most recently we did a work trip to Virginia beach for two weeks and we took our youngest son and one of his good friends. And because we were working during the day and they're teenagers, we were like, okay, here's the deal. Keep your location on, but you boys go explore the boardwalk. [00:39:55] Speaker C: Nice. [00:39:57] Speaker B: So they got to have their boardwalk summer, but they're teenagers, so it's like, they act like it's a boardwalk. They're like, sucks out. There's nothing to do. [00:40:09] Speaker A: Dragging my feet. [00:40:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm so bored. [00:40:13] Speaker C: Not work as well like in the modern era too. Is it just like not as exciting as it once was? [00:40:17] Speaker B: Maybe it is, but it's like for them, it's like it's getting them out there is much harder than probably it was at my age, because it was like, either stay inside with, like, and I don't know what I would even have done or go out in this amazing, cool place where it's, like, for, I think, kids, there's so much access they have with games and phones. It's kind of hard to get them started. But once you get them going off, they're the same kids as all kids. They haven't changed. [00:40:45] Speaker A: I did mention when we were on this vacation that Mickey and I took that Chris wasn't on. [00:40:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:54] Speaker A: With, like, the concept that we were concerned and interested in your son and wanting him to be involved was such a foreign concept to my parents at that age, who were kind of like, go. Fucking go do your, you know, they were loving parents, but it's like, you go do your thing. I need a break. I want to enjoy time with my, like, that sort of thing. And when Michael and is talking to Lucy, his mother, Diane, on the phone, let's talk about her. She's like, hey, will you watch Sam tonight? This would be a big favor to me. The concept to me that my parents would ask me to do something and not expect me. I feed you, I clothe you. You don't get an allowance. And you do what I say when I say it. That's how this works. [00:41:59] Speaker B: When she says to Michael, are we friends? [00:42:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:04] Speaker B: I was like, mom. But there's a certain type of 80s mom in horror films that is just still my heart. Joe Brick Williams, Diane Wee Wallace. D Wallace. [00:42:16] Speaker A: Of course. [00:42:17] Speaker C: There's a bit of something there, though, that's hit on that I don't think we're quite calling out, which is that there's that vulnerability of she's a freshly divorced woman as well. [00:42:23] Speaker B: Yes. [00:42:24] Speaker C: So she's trying to keep the family together. So there is this vulnerability to it of wanting to be friends with your son, having that need of asking and that type of thing. So that's a big part of it, too, I think. [00:42:36] Speaker B: And the fact that the kids aren't pining for their dad says that there's some unspoken thing there that it's like they know this is what's best, too, which is really heart wrenching and sad when you think about it. It's like you get grandpa saying, like, you're the first woman I've ever seen in a divorce that ended up, you know, it's like you get that moment, so you kind of get some context there. But really, I think the most, which is good that he doesn't try to tell you too much. I mean, I hate being drowned in exposition, but I think there is something really sad in this film that looms over the family, which is that the dad is not like, there is something that the writers knew that they were not writing in, that they were intentional. Yeah, I've always thought that about that. [00:43:26] Speaker A: That's why you cast someone like Diane Wiese, who's just off of an Oscar win, mind you, Hannah and her without all that. See, you see everything in her performance of where she was coming from, where she's trying to get to the relationship, get away from the dog. Grandpa. Grandpa. So good. Everyone needs that kind of grandpa in their life, whether they're your grandpa or not. You need like an old kind of curmudgeony kind of guy playing I like to get to town. Don't touch anything on the stuck itself. [00:44:19] Speaker B: Double stuffed Oreos. [00:44:21] Speaker C: And my double stuffed Oreos. [00:44:22] Speaker A: And did you guys see that was some sort of, like, peanut butter bar thing? [00:44:28] Speaker C: Like dwippies or something like that? I don't know. [00:44:30] Speaker A: I had never seen those before. It seemed like something that should be in the freezer. But I'll excuse it. I'll excuse it. [00:44:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Also, taxidermist reads big guy instead of watching the tv. [00:44:44] Speaker C: That's a whole. [00:44:44] Speaker B: I had a question about that. Mention what you're mentioning. I'm going to ask you a question. [00:44:53] Speaker A: Okay. I just thought it was hilarious that he kept bringing stuffed animals to Sam's room. He loves fucking with, like, he's got to know that they're all in his closet. Why does he say and bring this up to me? He needs to be a man and talk to me about this. [00:45:14] Speaker B: What I think of grandpa is. I think of grandpa as this type of guy that is always. You can't ever take him serious, right? You know those people in your life, you're like, it's a joke. Or can I take him serious? Because always putting one over on me. That's who he was to me. It's like, even with the tv guide thing, I was like, there's a good chance he has a tv that he's watching out in the garage or something. [00:45:37] Speaker A: But hilarious. [00:45:38] Speaker B: That's what he tells the kids. He's just always messing with them. Even when he kills the vampire, it's like he's like the one thing about this town. Damn vampires. [00:45:48] Speaker A: I want to get into that later. [00:45:50] Speaker B: Yeah, at the end. But he's the guy that you can just never take serious because he's always. His motif is everything I say is half truths. There's a little bit of a wink in everything I do. [00:46:05] Speaker A: Yeah, well, the only thing I would say is I disagree with the wording of what you're saying. You can't take him literal. I think everything he's saying when he's joking, there's, like, a lesson he's teaching you about life, about humor, about. It's like everything is a lesson with this guy. [00:46:26] Speaker C: I don't know about the lesson part. I think part of it's amusing himself for sure, like faking his own death in the just. That's just something someone does for know. [00:46:36] Speaker B: But I see what you're saying. [00:46:38] Speaker A: I'm teaching you about life. He could go at any second, Chris. [00:46:41] Speaker B: But I see what you're saying, and I agree with you, Michelangelo. Nothing in it is just, like, nefarious. I'm messing with you. It's like I'm diffusing the tension in this house by being this guy. I understand that my family is going through a hard time right now, and I'm diffusing this with my quirky jokes and sensibilities. [00:47:08] Speaker A: Do you think he just got high and fell asleep on the porch waiting. [00:47:12] Speaker B: For them to show up? [00:47:14] Speaker A: He was like, I could see that. Watch my hair. Watch my hair. It's like helping him up. [00:47:24] Speaker B: It's established he's growing his own plants. [00:47:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:29] Speaker B: Doesn't look like weed. [00:47:31] Speaker A: Looks like wheat grass. I don't know anything. It was like, I bought it. That's what that is. When they're moving in, when Jason Patrick comes, just again, this is like movies, just imbued with all these things that are happening. But he's like carrying the barbell on his shoulder that he's also using as a clothing. It's like, this is the kind of guy I need to be. He's strong. He cares about his body. He's stylish. He's smart. He's inventive. This is what a woman wants. [00:48:07] Speaker B: Rides a motorcycle in. [00:48:08] Speaker A: Doesn't even ride a motorcycle. [00:48:10] Speaker C: Right behind a car in the dust. [00:48:12] Speaker B: Cloud, still looking like a snack. [00:48:16] Speaker A: Well, he's like, getting the age on the clothing. It's distressed. [00:48:21] Speaker C: That's what that was. [00:48:22] Speaker A: That's what that was. That's what that was. [00:48:25] Speaker C: Side note, real quick with that. I love the fact that he sets down his stuff and actually does a couple of reps while he's talking to Corey Haim. [00:48:33] Speaker A: The guy's like, fuck, there was a lot of hot chicks on the boardwalk earlier. I got to get pumped and ready to go here. Did you guys ever have a girl offered to pierce your ear? [00:48:47] Speaker B: No. [00:48:48] Speaker A: Did you have anyone offered to pierce your ear? [00:48:51] Speaker C: I think probably whenever I was in that awkward late middle school going towards puberty, there's, like, the couple of punk kids that pierce their own ears, like thumbtacks, that type of thing. And it's like, oh, you can do it for you too, if you wanted. Like, no, I'm good. [00:49:07] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I never went through that. I grew up in very conservative southern towns. If anybody was that kid, it would have been me. And it just of. I wanted an earring, actually. I thought that David was so cool, but so cool, and I wanted to have an earring like that in one ear. And my dad told me if I came home with the earring, I better come home and address as. [00:49:34] Speaker A: You should have come home in a dress. I should. [00:49:37] Speaker B: I should have been like, oh, great. Okay, so that knocks out two birds. [00:49:41] Speaker A: Can you marry your dad? Is that going too far? [00:49:45] Speaker C: Is that too much? [00:49:46] Speaker B: That's fine. My dad is actually a lovely man. He's a product of his upbringing, right? [00:49:52] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like every generation progress in some way. I also wanted an earring desperately when I was younger. [00:50:03] Speaker B: Never got it. [00:50:04] Speaker A: But a kid did offer in the bathroom in middle school. Like, he was doing the piercing in the bathroom, and I was like, no, thanks. [00:50:12] Speaker C: Was it the same thing? Like the little, like, the colored in thumbtack kind of a thing like that? [00:50:17] Speaker A: No, this was a safety pin. This was a safety pin. I think it's smarter than you want. That safety pin. [00:50:24] Speaker B: And a lighter. Safety pin. And a lighter. [00:50:26] Speaker A: And a lighter. [00:50:29] Speaker B: I will tell you that my son has a couple of piercings, and he and Molly went and got it when I was out of town, and they had fucking. [00:50:42] Speaker A: His mom is so cool. [00:50:44] Speaker B: But Molly was like, do you care? And I was like, I know that this is just some core belief that I have to divorce and get rid of, but for some reason, it makes me nervous for him to get his ears pierced. But I was like, let him do it. It's cool. So he got his ears pierced, and my parents were coming over for dinner, and I hadn't told them. I was so nervous that my dad was going to say, I can't believe you let your son do that. Campbell comes walking in, and my dad goes, dude, awesome earrings, buddy. Gives him a big hug. My soul was, like, ripped out. [00:51:24] Speaker A: I started to cry. [00:51:25] Speaker B: I ran in the back room. I can't look at you guys right now. I was like, this is not fair. [00:51:30] Speaker A: That's quintessential but also, were you proud of your father at the same time? [00:51:35] Speaker B: No, I was like, no, I was like, all these issues I have, I've never pierced my own ears because of this got wrong. [00:51:45] Speaker A: Mickey. I say all three of us, we. [00:51:48] Speaker B: Go piercings, but not in the ears. Let's go somewhere crazy. [00:51:52] Speaker A: Let's go royal with it, you know. [00:51:55] Speaker B: What. [00:51:59] Speaker A: Were you guys. [00:52:01] Speaker C: I think because we're all similar ages too. Did you guys have that experience of in your junior high of, oh, if you get pierced in the right ear. [00:52:11] Speaker A: That means that they're in the 90s? It was like a thing. Yeah, stupid. If you don't get it in the. [00:52:19] Speaker C: Correct ear, that was a signal. [00:52:21] Speaker B: So stupid. [00:52:22] Speaker A: Was that based in any kind of truth? Was that, like, a secret thing at one point? Because obviously in society, it was not okay to be different in any way. So was it some sort of wink wink thing at one point? [00:52:38] Speaker B: There is. I don't know if it was or not. It's probably easily googleable. But I do know that the highest selling kindle of all time was a. You've heard of this? [00:52:51] Speaker A: Yeah, the left ear piercing, Ken. [00:52:54] Speaker B: Yeah, that was, like, very fashionable. Very, we'll say colorful with his clothing, and very adopted by the gay community as a great symbol of progression to have this doll that kind of represented gay culture. And then, of course, Mattel pulls it because they're like, our bad. We didn't know it was going to know. Cultural phenomenon. Still the best selling kind doll of all time. Speaking of. But there was the earring thing is why I say that, because it was like, he was even called, like, flashy earring kin, I think. [00:53:37] Speaker A: Did you guys have any posters on your wall, like, rob Lowe and then. [00:53:42] Speaker B: Have your brother's riddle, Glenn Danzig? [00:53:45] Speaker A: Oh, over the closet. I didn't think about that. [00:53:48] Speaker C: Well, there's a fan theorem about that. [00:53:52] Speaker B: I think it's also Joel Shoemaker's sexuality. Is a gay man going to put. [00:54:01] Speaker C: A little bit of himself growing up probably, on that role? [00:54:04] Speaker B: Yeah, sure. Why not? Of course. Absolutely. [00:54:08] Speaker A: Alex Winter talks about, know, he was lucky enough to grow up in New York, and I think his parents were artists and dancers and France too. I think he grew up in Europe, as was. He had just done, like, a few Broadway plays before. So he was like, oh, the homo eroticism throughout this film, it's very obvious without being heavy handed. And then, of course, you have other people in the cast, I think Jameson Newlander, who was like, yeah, Jameson. I didn't register that at, you know, there was the older group who had their experience making this film and the younger group who had their experience making this. Both wonderful from what they've said. Well, it's really funny, too, right? [00:55:03] Speaker C: Because there were two separate experiences. Considering all the stories are though, of Corey Feldman supposedly, though, like, you know, having a horrible coke addiction at the time, though, it's funny. It would have been more of a culmination. [00:55:19] Speaker B: Yeah. I've heard some mixed stories for how the Coreys handled that time. It was not a good time. The Coreys, the Corey's. This is their first meeting, this set up. [00:55:36] Speaker A: This is their first one. This is their first one. Did you guys ever see the Corey reality show? [00:55:43] Speaker B: No. [00:55:44] Speaker A: It was, could have been great. It was during that boom, I think in the late odds, early odds of reality television. And it's reality television, so big surprise. It was very exploitative. But there's stuff there to go into because it's like that is a rough life those guys had. [00:56:08] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:56:09] Speaker A: Corey Haim had. And people like to make fun of Corey Feldman and his music career and the crazy nutso person that he kind of is now. And I will say I find him a sympathetic character. [00:56:26] Speaker B: Agreed. For sure. Agreed. [00:56:29] Speaker A: Story is a rough one. [00:56:30] Speaker B: Robbed of a childhood is just like the first offense. It's like robbed of a childhood, robbed of a lot of innocence that I think we all kind of get to that. When you have a normal child, I mean, what is a normal childhood, really? But when you have one that is not plagued by stardom early, when the people around you don't protect you. [00:56:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's mostly what, maybe the essence of what you're saying is that a child should be protected, not necessarily shielded, but protected and cared for. And you want to try to raise them so they can be self sufficient, not leave them on their own. [00:57:16] Speaker B: Well, like we talked about with Campbell, even over the know, I'd said to him, know drinking and know drugs and things that he may come across in his said, you know, hopefully you're in a space with people that you trust, that care about you, that don't want to see you in any harm, because when you're around people being safe, you're allowed to make mistakes when people care about you, but when you're around people that see you as a paycheck, around people that see you as a temporary relationship or circumstances of where you are, they're not going to look out for your best interest. So if you're going to go down those roads anyway, the Corey's definitely, they didn't have people looking out for them. For sure. It's a bummer, but Joel Shoemaker swears. And the documentary I watched, he was like. He took those kids very seriously. And he was very concerned for Corey Feldman throughout filming. Because it was very concerning to see what they were going through for him. And he was trying to be very protective. The whole think. [00:58:26] Speaker C: I think he actually fired him for a short term. Because of how bad his coke addiction was. And then brought him back. But I was just going to kind of tie it in. [00:58:34] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:58:34] Speaker C: You guys seen that documentary showbiz kids that Alex Winter made about? [00:58:39] Speaker A: I have not. Ali saw Alex Winter made it. Yeah, of course. It was like childhood actors. We just got to have them for some reason. [00:58:58] Speaker C: Fucking not an easy road. The documentary shows the good and the bad. [00:59:02] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:59:03] Speaker C: It shows the child actors that unfortunately were manipulated and taken advantage of. And the ones that had very nurturing and caring parents or support around them. That they look upon those times as great times of their life. And whether they've kept into acting or moved into other arts or completely outside of it. So it's true for so much, right? It's a range of experiences. Unfortunately, whenever you don't have the ability to speak up for yourself and a voice. It's easy for those to take advantage of you. As so oftenly true throughout history and modern world. [00:59:45] Speaker B: With that being said, you talk about people taking care of people. They must have bonded this particular cast over this experience of this film. Because I remember I was reading that one of the vampire. The not known vampire, I should say. What's his name? [01:00:03] Speaker C: The blonde hair, right? [01:00:04] Speaker A: Dwayne and Paul. Brooke McCarter. And. [01:00:12] Speaker B: Took Corey. Do you know this? He took Corey Hayman. When he had lost a lot. And was really bad with his addiction. He took him in and tried to protect him and help him go straight. Which is pretty incredible that many years later from this experience. Having somebody like that. No, I want to take care of you. I just think. Yeah, obviously, this was a very bonded cast. [01:00:40] Speaker A: Speaking of bonding, what Michael goes through in order to make friends, get that girl interested in him. Do you guys have any stories similar to, like, fuck, am I really doing this? Right? I guess I'm going to do this thing so that I'm accepted into this group of people or. [01:01:04] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [01:01:08] Speaker C: Not nearly to that level. [01:01:10] Speaker A: Well, of course, you weren't becoming a vampire, Chris. [01:01:14] Speaker C: But I mean, even to the level of, like. I can call out certain events or places necessarily. I think. I can definitely think of a handful of experiences in which I felt like I was just putting on a face to try to get into someone's maybe, like, social clicks, good graces, or to try to cozy up, but I can't really think of. Not a fascinating story, unfortunately. [01:01:40] Speaker A: I know Mickey and created. When we met each other, we created the John Wayne club, the old John Wayne club. We would wrestle and punch each other in the arms. And Mickey. Was it you, Mickey? Or was it Keith that had the bruise on his arm that didn't heal until Christmas break? So for six months. [01:01:58] Speaker B: My hematoma. [01:01:59] Speaker A: Yes, he had a bruise on his. Until. For six months, until Christmas break. [01:02:08] Speaker B: Michelangelo gave it to me. [01:02:10] Speaker A: He's saying there was another person in the club. [01:02:14] Speaker B: There was another person in the club. But the other person in the club seemed to be very genteel compared to you. They were like, you'd be like, I'm going to punch you so hard. [01:02:21] Speaker A: I remember Mickey being like, no fucking punch it. No fucking, like, I could take it. I could take. [01:02:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:02:28] Speaker A: Not homo erotic at all. [01:02:31] Speaker B: I still have nerve damage in these fingers. [01:02:34] Speaker C: Really? [01:02:36] Speaker B: Maybe I don't, but I want him to feel bad for me. [01:02:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I did chip your tooth as well. [01:02:44] Speaker B: Yeah, you broke my tooth. You broke my tooth. [01:02:47] Speaker C: So real quick, you brought that up relevant to your own question about trying to get with impress a girl. Which one of these two guys in this club was the girl that you're trying to. [01:02:58] Speaker A: Both of them, really. Obviously, our other friend. I won't say his name because he probably doesn't want to be associated with this. He was like Matt Damon to me. He's one of the most brilliant actors I've ever known. I love him to this day. It's a shame he doesn't act anymore. I got to spend time with him. I tried putting up a play with him, and I went to his hometown to rehearse a play for, like, two weeks. And then he came to Chicago when I was living in Chicago, but the thing fell through. [01:03:30] Speaker B: Anyways, he was a great actor and wise beyond his years. Yes, always felt wise beyond his, but, yeah. So did you ever try to impress a girl so much? And was it punching her arm? [01:03:52] Speaker A: I punch Allie every day in hopes to impress her. Throwing rocks to girls. Apologies to anyone who might be triggered. Obviously, physical abuse is not okay in any way unless it's your buddy that you don't want. [01:04:16] Speaker C: Cancel me. [01:04:17] Speaker B: Don't cancel me. You're like, oh, boy. [01:04:21] Speaker A: So grandpa's house. [01:04:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:25] Speaker A: You'd have to be a tech millionaire nowadays, to own something like that. [01:04:29] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's a pretty sweet property. [01:04:34] Speaker A: Also, my big frat greek wedding. Stealing from this movie. [01:04:41] Speaker C: Oh, the windex. [01:04:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:53] Speaker B: So. Yes. Sam, Sam, Sam. [01:05:00] Speaker A: Dinner scene. [01:05:01] Speaker B: Dinner scene. Okay. [01:05:03] Speaker A: Unknowingly, unknowingly. Helping Max get laid. [01:05:08] Speaker B: Yep. [01:05:10] Speaker A: Gives him garlic. Everyone knows that. Increases blood flow for a better erection. Full, hard erection. And of course, he wets his pants. He's got to take off those pants now. [01:05:21] Speaker B: It's got to get clean somewhere. Yeah, classic move. How did we jump this? What are we doing? [01:05:30] Speaker C: What is happening right now? [01:05:35] Speaker A: Mickey was there with me. Thank you, Mickey. Getting replaced. [01:05:40] Speaker B: Chris. [01:05:42] Speaker A: More vacations. [01:05:44] Speaker B: Yeah, go eat your maggots, Chris. [01:05:48] Speaker A: Go eat your fucking maggots. [01:05:52] Speaker C: Did you guys actually. Real quick along that. Did you guys ever have that experience of, like, you're a ten year old at a sleepover and it's like the closing your eyes and it's like, the eyeballs, and it's grapes and the witch and the worms, and it's cold spaghetti. [01:06:06] Speaker A: And that whole Halloween walkthroughs. Not like sleepover, but just funny. [01:06:11] Speaker C: It's like, this is the only film that I can think of that captures that. [01:06:15] Speaker B: Yeah. And then, of course, we get a. [01:06:17] Speaker A: Beautiful recall in what we do in the shadows. Would you like some squabetti or whatever? [01:06:25] Speaker C: I forgot about that. [01:06:26] Speaker B: They do the trick. They keep doing. [01:06:29] Speaker A: Fucking hilarious. Did either of you. This is probably a harder question. It's a hard question, I think, for this group, because you asked the hard. It's so disjointed our memory of it. But did you fall for the mislead with Max? Were you like, at the end, were you like, oh, I have to believe in Max. [01:06:58] Speaker B: I have to believe as a child I was. [01:07:00] Speaker C: Yeah, right. Same. I would imagine that on one of the viewings that was true, but, man, I don't remember it. [01:07:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:10] Speaker C: How about you? Were you surprised? [01:07:13] Speaker A: I still don't quite understand it. This is a real Tyler Durden situation. [01:07:20] Speaker C: Well, for that, I think the scene with the vampire kite, like that whole thing. That's such a weird little scene when you think about it as a whole. Why did that happen? [01:07:32] Speaker B: Why is David doing that? [01:07:34] Speaker A: I guess rebelling against his father. [01:07:38] Speaker C: I guess it's a pretty lame rebellion. [01:07:41] Speaker A: Hey, who swam across the lake first? [01:07:47] Speaker B: But. Who swam the first? [01:07:51] Speaker A: Kind of you, but you weren't able to see what was going on. [01:07:57] Speaker B: Doesn't matter. I swim. [01:07:58] Speaker A: The man's competition. There was a lake, we had to swim across it and back oh, really? [01:08:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:03] Speaker C: That's what swim across the lake meant. [01:08:05] Speaker B: Thanks for explaining. [01:08:09] Speaker A: It wasn't a metaphor. It was exactly what it sounded like. [01:08:15] Speaker B: Yeah. It was a good time. [01:08:16] Speaker A: It was good for us, actually. [01:08:17] Speaker B: It was a great bit of exercise. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I actually missed not being able to get up and go swimming like that every morning. Right. [01:08:27] Speaker A: It's amazing. [01:08:29] Speaker B: That was beautiful. Jamie Gert. Oh, sorry. Yeah, fantastic. Beautiful. You know, not a lot. [01:08:42] Speaker C: Think about the star. Yeah. Her character and Jason Patrick, like their arc. [01:08:52] Speaker A: It's like, what's supposed to happen, not necessarily imbued with a lot of stuff, doesn't really make a lot of sense. It's like she's severely underwritten. [01:09:04] Speaker B: They're relying solely on her muse like beauty. [01:09:11] Speaker A: Right. [01:09:12] Speaker B: Where it's like, we're going to choose somebody who is just. I mean, she is absolutely stunning, and. [01:09:18] Speaker A: Her performance is great as well. And I think that's what she's given. That's why it's so forgivable. I think she does a fucking ton with what she's given. And there's a reason why she's had a long career and the fact that she is multibillion. [01:09:37] Speaker B: She's also. [01:09:38] Speaker C: Is she, like, independently wealthy, married into a lot of money? [01:09:43] Speaker A: But at this time. [01:09:45] Speaker C: Oh, no, not this. [01:09:47] Speaker B: She is incredibly. And I don't want to say just about her looks. Just. There are people who have a presence that is extremely. [01:09:59] Speaker A: Magnetizing. [01:10:00] Speaker B: Magnetizing, hypnotizing, effervescent. It's like she has a certain Genesis qua, where it's like you put her in five minutes of your film and you can't take your eyes off her. And it's not just looks. Guys, I don't want to say she works as stars. [01:10:17] Speaker A: No, because it's more than that. How many times has we talked about this? In the bruiser episode, right. Where it's like, oh, we'll get this lady who's not a very talented actor, but pretty to play this part, and it'll be super easy. It fails. She has not only beauty, but that extreme talent. So it's like, I get why Michael goes on the journey. He does. To impress her. And by the way, when they hook up, first of all, I don't know how old she's supposed to be, but Michael's, like, supposed to be 17, I believe. [01:11:00] Speaker C: I think she's supposed to be about the same age. [01:11:03] Speaker A: Those are 17 year olds. Yeah, but how long is she? Well, she's not a full vampire. She's not a half. She's a happy. But their sex scene is so adult and romantic that it's like I think of myself at that age and how awkward and more realistic of what a 17 year old might go through. [01:11:31] Speaker B: And that's. Yeah, it'd be like, what? There. Right there. Is that where I'm supposed to. No. Okay. Sorry. [01:11:44] Speaker C: I was going to say their love scene looks like a perfume ad. [01:11:47] Speaker A: It does. It was like, I checked out during the love scene. It was like, yeah, I think appropriate for the time period. That's what the studio wanted to see. [01:11:59] Speaker B: And also when I was young watching it, it was like, that's love to me. You can fall in love with somebody, and I mean this. I believe you could fall in love with somebody just by seeing them across a crowded. [01:12:15] Speaker A: I agree with that. [01:12:16] Speaker B: Still. Outdoor concert I just saw. We met. There's. There's a romanticism in the same way that you can have a creative imagination like the Frog brothers and Sam. There is also a romanticism about believing that Jason Patrick is completely committed and in love with star and willing to go as far as he is just by seeing her across a crowded room. These are things that, yes, are trophy and silly and can be seen as cheesy, but they're also things that are extremely fun to give into and allow yourself to emotionally invest in. Right. It's like, it's so easy to relatable and it's so easy to be cynical and be like, yeah. But it's. What's lovely about having seen this as a young kid was that I hadn't built cynicism. Right? I hadn't built these things. So for me, I get to look at it with this innocent eyes and be like, yes, you can fall in love that way. Yes, vampires are real. Yes. It's a good thing you read Superman number. Issue number 40. [01:13:18] Speaker A: Batman number 14, I think. [01:13:20] Speaker B: 14. You can't put it. You haven't even introduced this particular character. I was like, these kids know what they're doing. This is what my parents tell me not to do. And I'm telling you I need to be better at my comic book knowledge. I need to spend more time in. [01:13:35] Speaker A: The comic book store, more time with the comic books, less time with your wife and son. [01:13:44] Speaker B: Anyway, yes. [01:13:47] Speaker C: I have a question for you guys. Just a thought, please. So to that point, I'll kiss you. [01:13:53] Speaker A: Butterfly kisses or eskimo kisses. [01:13:56] Speaker B: Eskimo kisses. [01:14:02] Speaker A: Is that, like, not an okay thing to say? I don't know. I don't know if it's a problem. [01:14:10] Speaker C: I don't think there's a problem. [01:14:10] Speaker A: We're all men here. We're all grandpas. Kisses. Don't, don't try to take the sticker off. [01:14:17] Speaker C: Well, I guess the COVID may replace the phrase with cold first nation, something like that. What would you call it? [01:14:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I like cold First Nation, but. [01:14:27] Speaker B: That'S just an immigrant. [01:14:29] Speaker A: First generation immigrant. [01:14:33] Speaker C: So there's star, and then there's the boy that is the hatty laddie from. [01:14:39] Speaker A: The civil war era. [01:14:41] Speaker C: Is one of the lost Boys a pedophile? [01:14:45] Speaker A: I don't think so. [01:14:48] Speaker C: Ten year old. Just saying. [01:14:52] Speaker A: Well, maybe it was like, I see what you're saying, but I could also see it from the perspective of, like, fucking star needs somebody to care. Or like, max being like, I want a family. I want a little. He don't have all the Anne Rice rules, you know what I mean? Where it's, uh, you're not supposed to turn them so. [01:15:18] Speaker C: Up. [01:15:19] Speaker A: It's definitely fucked up. [01:15:22] Speaker B: Somebody that young kid's damned, kid is damned his whole life. [01:15:25] Speaker A: And on the other end, if you watch the television show, what we do in the shadows, there's like, a really old lady and she wants to get turned. And Nadia, if you know the character Nadia, she's like, you'll just be really old like you are now. You don't get young again. She's like, okay, never mind then. That's not a good idea. Do you guys feel like at this point in your life that you're like, nah, I don't want to be a vampire anymore? Like, if you had asked me ten years ago, maybe, but right now I. [01:15:59] Speaker B: Don'T feel like I'm at my peak. [01:16:00] Speaker C: I never wanted to be a vampire. [01:16:03] Speaker A: We'll get to that later, Chris. [01:16:05] Speaker B: Well, here's the thing, right? I agree about never wanting to be a vampire, but really. Okay, yeah. Vampire hunter. Absolutely. [01:16:17] Speaker C: Vampires. [01:16:19] Speaker A: Racist. [01:16:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:20] Speaker A: Okay. [01:16:21] Speaker B: Racist. [01:16:22] Speaker C: Why racist? [01:16:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:24] Speaker A: Anti vampire. [01:16:25] Speaker B: Dude, vampire is not a race. [01:16:27] Speaker C: How come you think everything's a race? [01:16:37] Speaker B: Answer the question. [01:16:38] Speaker A: Answer the question. It's called stupidity. Okay? I don't understand things, so I need another iron city. [01:16:49] Speaker B: But with that being said, if you go with the Anne Rice vampires, and they do turn very beautiful as vampires, regardless of they get imbued with certain aesthetic pleasing. I think between the 40 pleasing. [01:17:06] Speaker A: Keep going. [01:17:07] Speaker B: No, I want you to become aesthetically pleasing. Use a vampire. You come aesthetically pleasing. But I think between the 40 and 50, age is where you're actually like, yeah, I'd like to get a little bit that, like, give me some of that bite get a little plump in the cheekbones. Yeah. I'd be like, I'm interested in it. And I know a lot of people that would be way into it. They'd be like, okay, yeah, you get in the room, take care of some of these little wrinkles around the eyes. I like it. [01:17:34] Speaker C: I think we just created an idea, guys. [01:17:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:38] Speaker C: People that inject vampirism into their face, like Botox to become younger. [01:17:44] Speaker A: There are people who do bee stings in their face. [01:17:47] Speaker C: I've heard of that. [01:17:48] Speaker B: Yeah, tell us about it. Go on. [01:17:53] Speaker A: You sting your face with the bee stuff. [01:17:55] Speaker B: Cool. [01:17:56] Speaker A: It inflames it. [01:17:58] Speaker B: What else did you sting? My dick. [01:18:02] Speaker A: It got huge. [01:18:04] Speaker B: Throbbing huge. [01:18:06] Speaker A: Thrive is awful, though. Okay, so I guess this bridges the question I had. Is it so bad to be a vampire in this film? In this film, is Max's storyline kind of tragic? This is what I'm posing to you, because if you think about who they've killed in the film, they're either extremely annoying or bad people. [01:18:40] Speaker B: How so? [01:18:41] Speaker C: Like, how is like, pick on the security. [01:18:46] Speaker A: Surf Nazis. [01:18:48] Speaker C: Does that really come across in the film, though? Like, I know if you look it. [01:18:51] Speaker A: Up, if you look it up, they're a thief. But the cops, they don't have jobs. [01:19:00] Speaker C: Because they stole a couple of comic books from the Frog brothers. [01:19:03] Speaker A: He's not a cop, he's a rent a cop. That guy is an incel. That guy's an incel if ever there was. [01:19:12] Speaker B: For anybody out there who does security at, like, a mall or any of these fine establishments that we all like to frequent. You are not a rental. [01:19:21] Speaker A: I don't frequent malls. Where do you live that you frequent? You go to the mall a lot? [01:19:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I go to Monroeville Mall. That's right. [01:19:29] Speaker A: Is that where you get. Mickey has a pretty lucrative side business of sneakers. [01:19:36] Speaker B: Oh, really? That's the night of the living dead museum in the Monroeville mall. That's like the mall, but also legit. [01:19:44] Speaker A: He makes a pretty good site income. [01:19:48] Speaker B: I would say pretty good. I do make a side income on. [01:19:52] Speaker A: Say, it's okay on the vacation. Your family won the fucking best footwear award. Like, you guys fucking, man, they were rocking. Chris, don't you shake your head. [01:20:03] Speaker C: You just play into a stereotype. [01:20:05] Speaker A: My friends, over and over, every time. [01:20:08] Speaker C: Oh, you're staring at their shoes. [01:20:12] Speaker B: What a shocker. [01:20:14] Speaker A: You and Quentin Tarantino, they're getting together a lot. They fucking screw you. You're like, you guys, the best feet award. Family as a family award. [01:20:24] Speaker B: Beautiful feet. [01:20:25] Speaker A: Feet, shoe. [01:20:26] Speaker C: How many kisses do they deserve for how good their feet? [01:20:29] Speaker A: So many per toe? No, but seriously, every day it was like, how many sneakers did you guys bring with you? I don't know if you just rotated, like, two or three pairs properly, but I was like, fucking. I wish I had cool kicks like that. [01:20:51] Speaker B: Yeah, we had a couple of cool kicks that we wore. It was not like, I don't want people to misconstrue. What he's saying is, like, we showed up with, like, a car full of sneakers. [01:21:00] Speaker A: We showed up with just for the sneakers. One. Yeah. [01:21:04] Speaker B: One to rock, one to stock, baby. [01:21:06] Speaker C: Did you guys coordinate amongst the family footwear? [01:21:09] Speaker B: They seem to have. [01:21:11] Speaker A: It looked like at least you and Molly did. That's what it looked like. [01:21:15] Speaker B: We did not. We did not. [01:21:16] Speaker C: You and Molly wear Adidas track shoots and some white Adidas kicks from rundium? [01:21:21] Speaker B: We do. But, like, no undershirt and just a gold chain? [01:21:25] Speaker C: Hell, yeah. [01:21:25] Speaker A: I don't know if I'm talking out of place here, and I apologize if I'm being inappropriate, but they do seem like a Nike family. [01:21:32] Speaker B: Oh. The truth is that when it comes to footwear, we are pretty loyal to the Nike brand. Not all that we wear, but when it comes to the sneaker game, we do kind of stick with Jordan one. [01:21:47] Speaker A: Through five, unlike Sam, who is a obvious Lakers fan, wearing the Reeboks. The magic Johnson Reeboks, mind you, again, we got off track, but where were we? The vampire. My sympathy for Sam's storyline, and I'm sorry, Max's like, he wants a family. [01:22:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:22:18] Speaker A: And they seem pretty teenage years. [01:22:23] Speaker C: Is that really sympathetic, though? Do you have a lot of sympathy there? [01:22:28] Speaker B: Yeah, a little bit. [01:22:31] Speaker C: I feel like in a lot of other vampire stuff, there's definitely some scenes to give you that sympathy for the monster, that type of thing, but that doesn't really happen in this film. [01:22:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And also, don't think that wanting a family and taking things to make a family necessarily makes you a sympathetic character. Okay, maybe not sympathetic. [01:22:49] Speaker A: I understood his point of view. I guess it was clear to me why he was doing what he was doing. [01:22:54] Speaker B: In the real world, most kidnapped children are from people that want families. [01:23:02] Speaker A: But don't you want to live forever as a young person and just party all night and suck the blood of vampire? Not vampire, but surf Nazis and pretty cool. [01:23:17] Speaker B: I want to stay young and suck surf Nazis for. [01:23:23] Speaker C: To your point, though, I guess I think of the Lost Boys. Their life does not seem like fun. [01:23:30] Speaker B: To. [01:23:33] Speaker A: Me as an adult man. [01:23:34] Speaker B: Yes. [01:23:35] Speaker C: Well, I think even back then it would have probably been like, I mean, they're like, yeah, now we're going to party by running around in our cave and doing like this. [01:23:44] Speaker A: Chris is waving his arms. He's waving his. Chris, do some more partying. [01:23:48] Speaker B: Do some more party. Yeah. It does seem like a lonely know. [01:23:54] Speaker A: Well, that's why they're trying to acquire. [01:23:55] Speaker B: More also, you know, going on the name, even the Lost Boys, it's in reference to Peter Pan and the Lost Boys, which is also like, is being perpetually young. It is a prison sentence. Is it a good thing? Right, right. Or like Darren Aronofsky's fountain of youth. It's like the pursuit of staying young forever is a pursuit that only ends in like, it's like, there's. I'm not going to ruin that movie. But yes, the pursuit of. [01:24:32] Speaker A: So I told you I was going to work this in. [01:24:36] Speaker C: Here's your chance. [01:24:37] Speaker A: Oh, boy. Right after our vacation, I had to go back home. My grandmother, who would have been 94 in December, passed away. My brother called me. I hopped on the plane, got there just in time. We were in the room altogether when it happened. And you think it's like you hate losing someone. I think we've all lost someone in our lives, and I think the listener, you've probably lost someone, and it fucking sucks. But it's like a necessary part of. It's just like an unfortunate, necessary part of life. And you got to be happy if they live long enough. I mean, you make it to your 90s, that's pretty amazing. It's a good run. And had it not been for her dementia, she probably would have lived longer. But, yeah, the rides got to come to. I remember we're doing the visitation, so I'm Catholic. They do, like this long visitation where you do this day long thing where people come and you have to stand there and you think every, like, they come and it's like a line at a wedding, they come and they talk to you like everybody, right? And at one point, I remember just, like, they're talking about the afterlife and about heaven and things like that. And I don't know what I believe, but part of me at this point in my life is like, man, I don't know if I want an afterlife. The peace of mind I have when I check out of everything is so wonderful at this point. The idea of nothingness, afterlife seems good to me in a way. [01:26:36] Speaker B: Do we need to call an emergency line right now? My friend says the void sounds like a good thing. [01:26:43] Speaker A: I don't know where I'm at right now. [01:26:45] Speaker B: No, the void that you're talking about. I joke by calling it the void, but no, I think there's something healthy about, and I want to be very careful that I'm not putting words in your mouth. So please correct me if what I'm saying is not please put something in my mouth. I'm going to put something in your mouth right now. Just sit over there and shut up. I think that for me, the idea of not necessarily an afterlife, but that the stress, the pain, the anxieties of the parts of our lives that are tough disappear also do some of the joyful things, but we return back to something. For me, that is not an afterlife, but is like a cellular degenerative thing where it's like you're now still part of right now, you're breathing other people's essence that have passed away because it's like their cells don't disappear, they just go back into the earth. No, you never heard that, like, you're breathing in, like, dead cells. No, I haven't heard that. I haven't heard that. [01:28:06] Speaker C: Energy cycles, whatever decomposes, becomes like, life giving. That's just like, true of everything, right? Cycle continues, your energy goes on real quick. Plug. Speaking of that, becoming more popular is the idea of composting post death, which I am pro, that. [01:28:33] Speaker B: We have what they call a. It's something like that. But we have one right next to our house where if you pass away, they do like a burial, but you decompose naturally into the earth. And it's a very special little area. It's been sanctioned by the city that you can do that. And it's like right by our house. And we went, oh, nice. I told Molly, I was like, there's one of two ways I want to go. Either like that or I've told her I'm happy if my time comes to put a little bottle of whiskey in my lap, roll me out into the woods in a wheelchair, okay, and let me have my bottle of whiskey and just see what nature wants to do with me. And I figure it's going to be like me and a bear just staring each other down. And I'm going to be like, I have no problem, man. Come eat, come dine. [01:29:29] Speaker A: That is. [01:29:30] Speaker B: What is that dark? [01:29:32] Speaker A: The screams of your death will echo. [01:29:36] Speaker C: Why did I think that was a good choice? This is so painful. This is. [01:29:42] Speaker A: Why do I feel everything? I feel more alive than I have in 20 years. [01:29:48] Speaker C: Why did he start at the feet and is working up? This is terrible. [01:29:53] Speaker A: Cut to like a fucking October 13. Your wife just wheels you out, right out in the woods. There you go. Let's see what happens. The ride's got to end, right? [01:30:08] Speaker C: I think that I can state that, and I'm sure that we all agree with this. We're all just praying for the sweet, sweet release of death. Yeah. [01:30:18] Speaker A: Here, drink this, guys. Drink this. Drink this drink. I made the special drink. I made the special drink for tonight. Drink out of the special bottle. [01:30:28] Speaker C: It's bejeweled. [01:30:30] Speaker B: It's bejeweled. [01:30:31] Speaker A: It's good. [01:30:32] Speaker B: And I think that that's something that binds all of us is like, I think we learn from each other's lived experiences, but we also learn from each other's handling of death. And knowing that we are so finite and that there is, like, to be immortal to me, feels like it would give me more anxiety than being. [01:30:57] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, absolutely. Seeing all your loved ones pass. [01:31:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:02] Speaker A: That said, I would totally be a vampire, though. [01:31:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:07] Speaker A: You can still die as a vampire. Like, having the choice when you check. [01:31:11] Speaker B: Hard to die as a vampire, though. See, like in movies, depending on your. [01:31:15] Speaker A: World, look, in real life, much harder. [01:31:20] Speaker B: Vampires. [01:31:23] Speaker A: And Anne Rice's world, it's pretty hard. Like, Lestat has lived through some pretty. [01:31:30] Speaker B: Crazy, mean, honestly talking cases. So you have to get holy water and you have to douse somebody in, like, I do think. Let's get to the third act of the film. Are we good to move on to there? [01:31:43] Speaker A: Oh, what a kid's fantasy. The squirt guns with the holy water. It's a shame this came out in 87. And the super soaker, I wrote this down, actually. Created by a NASA jet propulsion engineer. One of the few minorities in this country to ever actually get a patent on something and to reap the benefits of it. His name. [01:32:19] Speaker B: Holy shit. [01:32:21] Speaker A: Lonnie Johnson. He created it in, like, the mid 80s, but didn't hit the shelves to the 90s. My point is, man, they could have used some super soakers for these fucking vampires. Right? Yeah, like, they got the weak stream, Chris, you know what I'm talking about. The week. The week stream. But Mickey knows what I'm talking about. The super soaker is the way to go. [01:32:45] Speaker C: Well, but none of their battles are from a far away, though. They have to get up close. So I don't think in this situation now, if you could set up one of them as a bit of a sharpshooter. [01:32:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I would have sniper far away. [01:32:58] Speaker A: For the super soaker, just like you drenching them is my point, it's like. It's more like, actually, the old school. [01:33:04] Speaker C: Ones that we had, it was like, you got to jerk it off. [01:33:09] Speaker A: No jerking off. The home. Eradicate. But if you got the tank where you got the tank behind you and the release valve where you, like, you just spent a lot of time. [01:33:21] Speaker B: They're recently divorced kids without getting a tank. [01:33:26] Speaker A: Brothers got a fucking comic book store at their disposal. That's all I'm saying. [01:33:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:37] Speaker A: Acquired a super soaker had they existed, is all I'm saying. And that would have been cool. [01:33:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:42] Speaker A: But good to have limitations. [01:33:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:45] Speaker C: You have brought up, I think, super soaker to me, like, a lot recently. [01:33:51] Speaker A: My partner Allie has very false idea of. She has a childlike idea of what a super soaker can do. She thinks it's like a power washer, essentially. But let's not get into that right now. The last act of this film. Let's get into that. [01:34:08] Speaker B: Let's get into that. [01:34:10] Speaker C: Marco's tragic death rip. [01:34:13] Speaker B: Yeah, Marco. Poor Marco. Poor Marco. Never saw a cover. Poor Dwayne. [01:34:20] Speaker A: Poor Paul. [01:34:22] Speaker B: Yeah. All of them. [01:34:23] Speaker A: I will say I would have appreciated Chekhov's bow and arrow. [01:34:26] Speaker B: You know what mean. Yeah. [01:34:28] Speaker A: For those of you who don't know what that means, Chris, do you care to explain what I mean by checkoffs? [01:34:36] Speaker B: Checkoffs. [01:34:38] Speaker C: Whenever in hockey, you got a guy up against the wall and you come into him really hard. That's called Checkoff. And sometimes they have. [01:34:47] Speaker A: I like coming into guys hard. [01:34:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:34:54] Speaker A: I call it Checkoff's gun. That's what I come into a guy hard. But it's a narrative principle. [01:35:06] Speaker C: Yeah. I was going to say, though, how would you say that in a short and sweet. Would you just call it narrative principle, though? That is narrative principle. [01:35:12] Speaker A: Every element in a story must be necessary, and irrelevant elements should be removed. If you introduce antlers, like, they do it with the antlers. If you introduce antlers, they'll come into the story at some point, which doesn't. [01:35:27] Speaker C: Make sense to me, by the way. [01:35:30] Speaker A: Let's get to that. When we talk about. [01:35:34] Speaker B: I just. [01:35:34] Speaker A: I would have loved just like, I don't know, just the fucking scene of Sam using a bow and arrow. Because it's a nitpicky thing. The movie's still great, but it's super hard to use a bow and arrow. It's not like something you can just pick up, like anything. Right? It's a technique and a skill. [01:36:01] Speaker C: How far away do you think he is, though? [01:36:03] Speaker A: Because he's not that far. But still, it's still a pretty fucking hard thing to do, especially as a little kid. Maybe as an adult man it's easier, but as a little kid. But again, it's not enough to cause me to put a point against the film, but a little thing there. But this film is extremely fast and efficient. Sam immediately accepts that Michael is a vampire. We don't go through like, you're not a vampire. Prove it. Blah, blah, blah. [01:36:38] Speaker C: I'm going to butcher the quote, but was it my brother? A scum sucking vampire? [01:36:48] Speaker A: Wait till mom finds out. That scene is so like, you could. It was so relatable. So fucking relatable. It doesn't matter what's going on at that age. It's the fear of your parents finding out what's going on. He calls his mom and he's floating out the window. The humor of it comes through, but ultimately their connection and their bond to like, okay, just like, I'm your brother. This might be happening, but I'm your brother. Those bonds, it fucking nails brotherhood so fucking well. I love how inept they are, but how they don't necessarily. It's like, have they killed vampires before or have they not? They don't expressly tell you. Yeah, they do know a lot. It's like, do they know a lot from the. [01:37:46] Speaker B: Is the comic book? Like, did the grandpa write the comic book? [01:37:49] Speaker A: Was he the writer of the comic book? [01:37:51] Speaker B: Well, there's an element of when they tell him, you got to read this book if you're going to live here, buddy. And it's like, okay, so the frog brothers know something, or is this just all rumor and hearsay and they actually finally stumble across the actuality of it? And I think that's what it is. [01:38:08] Speaker C: That's what I always thought. [01:38:09] Speaker B: Yeah, but, yeah, so then you get everybody coming in, and then you got what I, like, we talked about kind of like the home alone, like staging the house, getting ready. [01:38:18] Speaker A: It's like, that's before home alone. Would you guys have gone for the smallest and weakest vampire first? Right. It seems like a good leader. [01:38:29] Speaker C: Each one of them should at least taken a stake, you know what? Once instead of also. [01:38:35] Speaker B: Also, David exudes leadership in that group. Right. It's like, you don't have to be that intuitive to walk in there and know David's the leader of this group, but it's David or it's laddie. [01:38:47] Speaker A: It's, like, viable, though, that it's like, oh, we'll go with the weak one first. Like, that seems like a little kid mistake. I get it. I get it enough. You know what mean, like. And it feeds into the comedy of the Frog brothers. [01:39:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:05] Speaker A: I just love how quick they are to want to kill star. Yeah, it's a great laddie burst through the fucking. Fucking bed. [01:39:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:19] Speaker A: They're scared shitless. [01:39:21] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:39:24] Speaker A: But you were saying, mickey? I'm sorry. [01:39:26] Speaker B: No, I'm just getting us through that third act. So I'll tell you something fun, like watching this film and just the whole build up of the final fight between the vampires and Sam and the frog brothers. And know, in my mind, I remember Michael and David's square off in the end of this film to be epic, right? To be, like, next level moment ever. [01:39:53] Speaker C: That's how I remember it. [01:39:55] Speaker B: Like one of the most quintessential fight scenes in the history of film. Right? That's how it did imprinted on me as a kid. And then you watch it and you're like, oh, pushing each other, which is. [01:40:09] Speaker A: Pretty realistic for, like, a teenager fight, pushing each other. It seems like maybe they were running out of time and money towards the end. And again, it doesn't ruin the special place this has for me, but it's kind of a letdown, the fights at the end. It kind of just all happens. [01:40:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, again, I say it's like, I don't know, because you were not fortunate enough to put yourself there as a kid, and maybe there was something special about, like, maybe that effect was. It's Richard Donner. Oh, I think time and place, it works. [01:40:53] Speaker A: Time and place fucking works. Yeah. [01:40:56] Speaker C: The bathtub death is great. [01:40:58] Speaker A: Oh, it's fucking awesome. But that's my problem, right? The bathtub death is so good that you expect the next ones to be to top it. They don't quite. They're all pretty easily beaten, even at the very end. Obviously, I'm not criticizing the film, saying it's still fucking time and place. [01:41:26] Speaker B: No, it's great. And on top of it just being like, I'm telling you, as a child, it imprinted on me so heavy. When Michael and David finally show off and they're, like, flying across the ceiling. I remember it being such an epic, wonderful, amazing moment in film. [01:41:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, they're flying. [01:41:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Again, it's like once you've lived through 20 years of seeing some of the amazing fight sequences from the Matrix, John Wicks from these things, like, you look at that. [01:41:56] Speaker A: That brings up something, Mickey, that I want to ask you specifically. This is going to go back to our warlock episode. Mickey, better flying Matrix, warlock or the Lost Boys. [01:42:09] Speaker B: The Lost Boys has the best flying. [01:42:11] Speaker A: I will agree with you there. [01:42:12] Speaker B: We can agree on that. [01:42:14] Speaker A: We can agree on that. [01:42:14] Speaker B: And the Matrix, go back to listen. [01:42:17] Speaker A: To our warlock episode and Rip Julian Sands. What a tragedy. What a loss. Fuck, that sucks. But yeah, great wire work in this film for sure. [01:42:36] Speaker C: So if we want to talk about that or not. But like dying on deer antlers. I don't mean. How's that? I mean, an antler is a bone. It's not wood. You know what mean. [01:42:49] Speaker A: Oh, fair enough, but I don't really see. Do they establish that it has to be a wooden steak in this film? [01:42:56] Speaker C: No, but it's still vampire lore and that's how they kill Marco. [01:43:00] Speaker A: Yeah, but Garlic doesn't work. [01:43:02] Speaker C: True, but they set that up. [01:43:04] Speaker A: But they stab Marco through the heart. So it's like, I guess. [01:43:10] Speaker B: Plus if. [01:43:11] Speaker A: You read the fan stuff, if you look into it, it's like, well, David doesn't disintegrate and he doesn't actually die. And that was supposed to be set up for the sequel for the Lost Girls. [01:43:21] Speaker B: But also, I will also say that there is another little fan theory. Know when Max is invited into the house, when he's asked to come in because he's a powerful a. They do have a level of, they have like a. So when he's. Yeah, when he's invited into the house, your powers are. You bring all the strength of your powers into someone's house once you're invited in. And garlic has always been like a low level vampire like weapon. Garlic is never like, garlic. Couldn't take out Dracula. Right? [01:43:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:43:55] Speaker B: A crucifix is not going to necessarily take out Dracula. [01:43:58] Speaker A: Those are like, well, depending on who. [01:44:01] Speaker B: You'Re talking to, but yeah. And how much you believe and how much you put into. Yes, I understand there's a lot of things, but that's one of the reasons. [01:44:08] Speaker A: Why Chris Randon very scared of the. [01:44:10] Speaker B: Crucifix, if you believe. But when he chokes on the garlic a little bit, they're like, that's kind of how it affects that high level of a vampire, is that. [01:44:24] Speaker A: It would affect you the same, though. All that garlic. Yeah, big spoonful mouthful of garlic when you're not fingers. [01:44:32] Speaker B: Wouldn't affect me. Wouldn't affect me. I'll do it right now. I don't care. I'll do it right now. I'll do it right now. [01:44:42] Speaker A: Fucking. Who mistakes garlic for Parmesan? Parmesan cheese? White ass stupid person. [01:44:50] Speaker B: Is this. [01:44:52] Speaker C: There's a fan theory out there that the grandpa is actually a half vampire and that his root beer is actually blood. That's why no one can touch it. I like that idea. [01:45:04] Speaker A: His double stuffed. Double stuffed with blood. [01:45:08] Speaker B: That's why he doesn't go out any further in the car. [01:45:11] Speaker C: Absolutely. Yeah, exactly. And then at the end, that's the reason why he knows that it's happening, even though there's no way he would know. [01:45:17] Speaker A: And that's why there's all those dead animals, is because he's fucking sucking their blood. [01:45:20] Speaker C: Actually, that's the whole thing. [01:45:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:45:24] Speaker B: Okay. [01:45:24] Speaker C: I like the fan theory. [01:45:25] Speaker B: I love that theory. Yeah, I'm hip to it. [01:45:31] Speaker A: All these vampires. All these vampires. I prefer to be the only one. [01:45:38] Speaker C: Your George Bush is terrible. [01:45:43] Speaker A: Fool me once, trick on me. Fool me a second time. You can't trick me again. So before we get to, who do we recommend this to? I have a surprise question. [01:45:58] Speaker B: Oh, man. Oh, boy, here he comes. [01:46:01] Speaker A: I want each of you to pitch me a sequel or a spinoff to this film, because obviously the sequels have been very successful. They're very sure, sure. They've done a lot with it. Chris, you seem ready. You seem ready for this sequel or spinoff. [01:46:20] Speaker C: Well, no, this is exactly like I, watching this film, like, the thought that I had was that what really works for me is Diane Wiese Weiss, I never know how to say her name. As the mom. Young, handsome Jason Patrick. As the older brother, Corey Haim. As the younger brother, the fun grandpa. It's their continuation story, living like this. And it's a fucking TGI Friday, 30. [01:46:45] Speaker A: Minutes fucking family sitcom. [01:46:47] Speaker B: I like that. [01:46:49] Speaker C: It's not. Maybe occasionally there's a little vampire story. [01:46:52] Speaker A: But step by step and full of house. I love it, Chris. I love it. [01:46:59] Speaker B: That's great, Mickey. I'm going to go with Star and Laddie in a sequel where Starr's just a young, single mom trying to make it in this crazy, zany world, just looking for a job. Mary Tyler Moore esque. It's just like a fun little romantic comedy about star trying to make it. After this hectic vampire life, I'd like to see Jamie Gertz get a chance to do some more acting, show her comedic chops, and maybe give a couple lines to laddie. [01:47:40] Speaker A: Jamie Gertz has had lots of opportunities to show her comedic chips, and she's been on sitcoms and she's got them. She's got. [01:47:50] Speaker B: And I think that's why I'm saying, let's put that back. It's not Jamie Gertz that needs it. It's star that needs it. Let's put it that way. [01:47:59] Speaker A: Okay? [01:48:01] Speaker B: Star gets to show her extra dimensions that she lacks in this film. Nice into it. Okay, Michelangelo. [01:48:11] Speaker A: Oh, I want to see just whatever grandpa's storyline is right before this movie and during this movie and at the end of everything that's happening in tandem. [01:48:24] Speaker B: No. [01:48:25] Speaker A: Everything you want just a touch prequel. Maybe not, but it's like when they're traveling, so it's like you could start there. It's like who he is right before they arrive and everything he's got going on during their time there. [01:48:41] Speaker C: Be really funny if that woman that he goes to visit is actually, like, a stuffed woman that he killed. [01:48:46] Speaker B: That's like, story. [01:48:48] Speaker A: That's why Michael's joke was really not that funny. Yeah, not cool, man. Was like, not cool. Who do we recommend this film to? Who's coming into the video store? We go, you got to see this, Chris. [01:49:09] Speaker C: I think we already kind of touched on it, but I would say. [01:49:15] Speaker B: And. [01:49:15] Speaker C: Not all but your pubescent kind of kids, you're like 13, 1415 year olds, a little younger. [01:49:25] Speaker A: Legally, Chris is not allowed to talk to them, but okay. [01:49:30] Speaker C: You've been talking to that judge? [01:49:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:49:33] Speaker A: Shit, he made a point about it, man. I think we're in trouble. [01:49:43] Speaker C: No, but again, I think this film works for whenever you're old enough for it. You know what I mean? Like, funny enough, my wife, actually, when this came up that I would be watching this, she was like, oh, I saw a little bit of that whenever I was a kid and scared the crap out of me, and I never, it's not for everyone. And even on bring up, I'm like, oh, do you want to watch it with me to see, like, it's really nothing? She's like, no, I'm good. [01:50:13] Speaker A: She wants to keep that fear. She wants to keep that fear face. Chris, I think, buddy. [01:50:22] Speaker C: Thank you, friend. I'd recommend to those kind of people. I'd also recommend it, too. I think people of around our age that could watch it and be like, oh, yeah, man, this was something I saw when I was a kid or teenager, a little older, and have fond memories and that type of thing. Also, real quick, just as this is the last episode of this vampire series, I would like to bring up my favorite vampire death, which is an rip Paul Rubens from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. [01:51:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I believe that's post him getting caught in the movie theater. This was, like his first. Yeah, this was, like, back into the mainstream. Yeah. [01:51:21] Speaker C: But anyway, just wanted to bring that up. [01:51:24] Speaker A: That's actually going to play. That's going to play into my recommendation. Should I just go with mine? Usually I go last. First of all, I think this is a perfect film that's on the spectrum of gateway horror. This is probably one of the last ones on the list of, like, you're crossing over at this point, right? It's like you got monster squad and you get, like, hocus pocus, the entry level. You got monster squad somewhere maybe towards the middle. This is at the very end. This might be the last one. Arguably, you could argue, like, this is the first entry into. [01:52:10] Speaker B: Yeah, it's Martin in this. [01:52:14] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. Martin. Martin. Hocus pocus. Martin. [01:52:19] Speaker C: Martin. Get your funny bone ready for this. [01:52:22] Speaker A: It gets your funny bone. I would like to have seen Martin in this world. [01:52:32] Speaker C: You wouldn't. He would be like, tim Capella would be playing, and, like, in the far shadowy corner, Martin would be just staring at him, skulking. [01:52:44] Speaker A: He has a relationship with Lucy. Anyways, I like you because you're like a cat. So that, plus what Chris said, and I will say, I think this movie owes a debt, or. No, not this movie. Buffy the vampire Slayer owes a debt of gratitude to this film. I think this movie created the term vamping out. That might be true. [01:53:14] Speaker C: I've seen it credited. [01:53:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:53:16] Speaker A: And other than fright night, I think this is the first movie I can remember where turning into a vampire has got a little bit of a makeup effect, outside of eyes and teeth. [01:53:30] Speaker B: Directly taken for Buffy. [01:53:33] Speaker A: Yeah. It's in the same world. [01:53:38] Speaker B: You know what? [01:53:40] Speaker A: Think it. Yeah, I think it's heavily. Yeah, yeah. I didn't even think about Donald Sutherland, and I think. I just wanted to say this real quick. A director's job, right. Which I think is to be a curator of taste and enthusiasm and a champion of other talent, a supreme collaborator and solutionist. And I think that's exactly who Joel Shoemaker was. And I think this is, like, a perfect example of all of his best attributes coming together. And I would be interested to see what his Batman film had been like, had he made it a little more like this, where it's got, like, a seemingly an equal amount of all of those things and not going so extreme into the absurd, silly, childlike stuff. But that's my recommendation. Chris, I want to also now hear your recommendation. Now that you've heard mine, I want to hear how it's changed. No, I just misspoke. [01:55:06] Speaker B: Mickey. Every woman between the ages of twelve and 24, this is a film that's going to speak to you. It's going to reintroduce you to what a man should be like. No. This movie is for all people. I really do believe that. I think that's where I stand on that. I'd like to see what people's opinions are at all age groups, at all levels. I think there is a little bit of something for everyone in this film. I think it's just fun. It's only campy because it's the best of. What was that period? And if that makes sense, it's like. It's not trying to. There are a lot of really campy 80s films. This is like a better version of all those. [01:55:56] Speaker A: I think it's pretty grounded and honest and serious. [01:56:02] Speaker B: I just mean, like, in the style and in the music and the needle drops and stuff like that. It's very 80s in that way. But it's also like a better. Yeah, you said grounded, but it's a better version of that. Oh. It has a huge influence on the movie. Us. Haven't we seen us? [01:56:19] Speaker A: I have not. [01:56:21] Speaker B: Huge influence on that. Okay. It's set in Santa Clara. [01:56:26] Speaker A: Possible spoilers. Possible spoilers. [01:56:28] Speaker B: I don't. It's. I don't know if they call it Santa Clara, but it's on the same boardwalk as Santa Clara. And in the opening moments of the movie, the kids are walking through the boardwalk and they're like, they're shooting a film over there, and it's set in 1987, and they're shooting the film the Lost Boys in the opening parts of it. I don't know if you watched it or not. When she's in the fun house in the first, they go to the beach on that boardwalk. That boardwalk is the boardwalk from Lost Boys. [01:57:05] Speaker C: So I got you. Whenever she was a kid, not like the modern. [01:57:08] Speaker B: Not the modern day. When she was a kid, they were shooting lost Boys while she got. [01:57:12] Speaker C: I did not catch that. [01:57:13] Speaker B: You might say while she got her own version of Lost Boys. [01:57:19] Speaker A: I think. Are we talking about spoilers here at this point? Give. [01:57:22] Speaker B: Not really. Because. [01:57:24] Speaker A: Not really. [01:57:27] Speaker B: Not really. It doesn't spoil the film at all. It's like. Unless you think watching a film for five minutes spoils. Yes, actually. [01:57:36] Speaker C: Yeah, he kind of does. [01:57:37] Speaker A: I do. I don't want to know anything. [01:57:41] Speaker C: I don't watch trailers. [01:57:45] Speaker A: That's a great Michelangelo. That's a great Michael right there. Do more, Michael. Do more, Michael. [01:57:50] Speaker B: Do it. Do it. [01:57:52] Speaker C: Which one? [01:57:53] Speaker B: You. Yeah. Michael. Michael. [01:57:55] Speaker C: Michael. [01:57:56] Speaker A: Michael. Michael. [01:57:56] Speaker B: Michael. Michael. [01:57:57] Speaker A: Michael Myers. Michael. [01:57:58] Speaker C: Michael. [01:57:59] Speaker A: I will say I think this movie succeeds in the sort of kid fantasy sort of realm that I think other films fail in, like last action Hero and sidekicks disagree. Well, I've seen it more recently than you, so you don't really have a leg to stand on. [01:58:21] Speaker B: Chris, his opinion is final. Do you not know that that's how this works? [01:58:27] Speaker A: No, but if he had seen it recently, then we could have. We'll talk for another 2 hours about last. [01:58:34] Speaker C: About last action Hero and how it's great and only a fool would say otherwise. [01:58:41] Speaker A: Mickey. 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[01:59:40] Speaker C: Michelangelo has given you tons of reason to advertise for. [01:59:46] Speaker A: Better help. Better help shoes. [01:59:50] Speaker B: Nike. [01:59:51] Speaker A: If you're losing Nike, Nike would be nice. I like zero shoes. The sandals. You don't get a lot of shoe in the way of the foot. [02:00:06] Speaker B: About crocs. About crocs. [02:00:12] Speaker A: No, they're expensive now. They should cost like 20, $30, like 60 to 110. [02:00:19] Speaker B: It's insane. [02:00:20] Speaker A: I'm not paying that much for shoe crocs. I'm not going to wear outside of my house. [02:00:24] Speaker B: You know what I mean? But this is the thing. Like, crocs are very much like the Lost Boys. They're going to have their reemergence. They're going to up in value over time because people are going to remember. It's like, it's just good to have a croc. [02:00:38] Speaker C: That was a nice try. [02:00:40] Speaker B: I don't know. [02:00:42] Speaker A: Michael put on the crocs. Keith, could you imagine if they were all in crocs? [02:00:48] Speaker B: It would have been better, the modern version. [02:00:52] Speaker A: They would have been more comfortable, they would have been more rested. They would have grabbed Sam right away. [02:00:58] Speaker B: But you've seen their feet when they're hanging upside down. Can you imagine what those crocs look like? [02:01:02] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, big crocs. [02:01:04] Speaker B: Those are some of them. [02:01:05] Speaker A: Toed crocs. [02:01:13] Speaker C: So stupid. [02:01:15] Speaker A: So dumb. It's, like, right outside of that tunnel that leads to the little coffin cave area. [02:01:27] Speaker C: I like the thought of, like, four. [02:01:28] Speaker A: Sets of crocs with holes in them where they're like toenails. [02:01:37] Speaker B: It's so dumb. It's so dumb. [02:01:43] Speaker A: Just. Just cut it off. [02:01:49] Speaker C: Just end it. End your pain. [02:01:53] Speaker A: Got to end. The ride's got to end. The ride's got to end. Bye.