FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 3, IN 3D: A NEW DIMENSION IN TERROR (1982)

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Welcome, listener, to the return slot. [00:00:07] Speaker B: God damn it, Michelangelo. Why do you always be such an. [00:00:10] Speaker A: Well, hey, hey, hey. Watch the language. This is our YouTube video. This is our exclusive YouTube video. [00:00:17] Speaker B: Do you know the following line to that? [00:00:20] Speaker A: To what? [00:00:21] Speaker B: That's a line from the film we're going to talk about. Do you know the following line? The following line is. Sorry, I'm not an. I'm an actor. It fits you so perfect. I'm not an. I'm an actor. Of horror. Of horror. [00:00:36] Speaker A: Of horror. A podcast recorded by myself, Michelangelo and Mickey in the basement of our video store. After hours, when the doors are locked, the VHS's are rewound, and the moon is glowing pale blue on a brisk and breezy night, we like to hang out in the basement, light a scented candle, crack open a drink, and discuss our beloved genre. Horror. [00:00:57] Speaker B: Horror. [00:00:57] Speaker A: Every horror, every episode. We invite you to join us for a frosty libation as we discuss a film selected from one of our painstakingly curated subsections of the video store. Mickey, can you elaborate on this, please, for anyone who might not know what I'm talking about? [00:01:12] Speaker B: Of course, back in the day before there was streaming and even before Blockbuster, there were these independent video stores. And to appease the appetites of all those movie nerds like myself and Michelangelo, they would fill their shelves with anything they get their hands on. Especially the ones that I. I gravitated towards were those video nasties. These mom and pop shops were responsible for taking the horror genre from limited theater runs and late night drive ins to every rural suburb summer camp in America. But what really made these video stores special were the people working in the store curating personalized sections based on their interests and the interests of their patrons. Recommendations based on conversations, man, not algorithms. So here at the return slot, we keep that spirit alive and strong. We hope you enjoy perusing our sections and joining in our conversations. [00:02:02] Speaker A: Now I'm going to warn the listener, warn them. This is the hangout. Drink with friends and talk about horror films that you love. Podcasts, you've been told, you've been told, you've been told. This podcast is just as much about us as it is about the films that we're talking about. And this is a very special, very, very special evening. [00:02:22] Speaker B: This is exclusive. You might say exclusive. [00:02:25] Speaker A: This is an exclusive episode. This is a few things. Not only Is this a YouTube exclusive episode, right. But it's also a redux. Oh, it's a Future Friday the 13th episode. [00:02:39] Speaker B: Wow. Yeah. [00:02:41] Speaker A: If you're listening to this, this is like, you can only see this on YouTube. [00:02:45] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:02:46] Speaker A: So if you're listening to this, it's December, Friday the 13th, 2024. Now. [00:02:54] Speaker C: December, December, December. [00:02:57] Speaker A: Right, December. If you're just listening, if you're watching this is the summertime 2020. [00:03:03] Speaker B: Yeah, no, you're getting something exclusive, but yeah, you're not getting this on the podcast till December. That's how long you got to wait. [00:03:10] Speaker A: That's. You gotta wait. So. [00:03:11] Speaker C: Oh, I see. [00:03:13] Speaker B: So if you're on the podcast right now, you could have had this months in advance, but you' not subscribed to the YouTube channel. You should get on the YouTube channel. You gotta get to the channel. [00:03:23] Speaker A: And where do they go? [00:03:24] Speaker B: To the return slot of Horror podcast, a YouTube channel. [00:03:34] Speaker A: On the Red Tower Network. [00:03:35] Speaker B: On the Red Tower Network, yes. [00:03:38] Speaker A: So that beautiful voice you were hearing earlier is Friday the 13th expert and fan enthusiast Chris. Chris, thank you for joining us in the basement this evening. Did you know how special tonight was going to be? [00:03:51] Speaker C: Yeah, I. I didn't know that. It was a dismember to remember. [00:03:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:58] Speaker C: Yes. [00:04:01] Speaker A: Jokes are always better when you explain them. So. So, okay, so, okay, it's. This is. It's a special episode because it's exclusive, like we said. But also this is a redux. So there's a possibility. You've already heard us talk about tonight's film if you listen to the podcast. But now the podcast is gone. It disappeared. It had a lot of audio issues on my end, which is why we took it down and decided to redux it. So it is a redux. It's an ex YouTube exclusive. Right now. It is a. This is also a Michelangelo's Friday the 13th clubhouse/basement party celebration of Friday the 13th episode, which Chris, obviously you know about because you listened to the podcast. So you would have heard our previous staffing episodes, right? [00:04:55] Speaker B: A couple times. [00:04:56] Speaker C: This was released. [00:04:58] Speaker A: This. [00:05:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:00] Speaker A: Well, not this was released, but. But also we. We have previous staff meetings, multiple F13. [00:05:08] Speaker B: Episodes that we celebrate the 13th. Friday 13th whenever there is one. So you. It's your first time on. But because you are an avid listener, I know that you're so familiar with our past episodes. And yes, this was a previous episode that we've now deleted and now we're redoing. We're making this as non. Complicated as possible for people to understand. [00:05:30] Speaker C: I'm really good at following all of this and definitely listen to the podcast too. [00:05:34] Speaker A: Okay, so go on. So, Chris. [00:05:38] Speaker C: Yo. [00:05:38] Speaker A: Obviously, as this, as. As Michelangelo. I. I didn't even say you can't. [00:05:45] Speaker B: Say your own name. [00:05:47] Speaker A: Edit that out. [00:05:49] Speaker B: You edit. [00:05:51] Speaker C: The edit machine's broken. [00:05:53] Speaker A: That was a lag. It was a lag in the Internet. [00:05:55] Speaker B: Yeah, A glitch Matrix. [00:05:58] Speaker A: Everyone knows in order to get into Michelangelo's Friday the 13th clubhouse basement party celebration of Friday the 13th, everybody knows, you gotta answer some trivia questions. [00:06:09] Speaker B: It's the only way in. [00:06:10] Speaker C: So this is the trivia, and then you also sent me a questionnaire. This is. Yes, really a lot of fun. [00:06:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, this is fun. [00:06:18] Speaker B: I mean, do you want to be a part of this club or not? Chris. I'm sorry. [00:06:21] Speaker A: This is the only way for that question. Chris, don't answer that question. Part of the quiz. [00:06:25] Speaker C: Okay, okay, okay, okay. [00:06:27] Speaker A: Mickey, don't ask him questions like that because he'll. Sorry. Now, what did you bring as tribute? Oh, as tribute, did you make, like, perhaps a spooky cocktail? [00:06:39] Speaker C: Oh, I did. I'm calling it Shelly's Mask, because really, it's not Jason's mask. It's Shelley. [00:06:49] Speaker A: Yes, he's Shelley's. [00:06:51] Speaker C: He should be arrested and prosecuted at the full extent of the law for the theft. [00:06:57] Speaker A: For the theft of Shelly's mask. Not anything. Shelly is really the. The unsung hero of this film. And we'll get to that when we start talking about the film. But right now. Yeah, just. This is. This is the umbrella entry. Initiation fan. [00:07:11] Speaker B: He's not. Shelley's not an. He's just an actor, guys. [00:07:14] Speaker C: Just an actor. [00:07:15] Speaker A: Just an actor. Mickey, do you. Did you. Oh, wait a second. You have to tell me how. How do you make the spooky cocktail? [00:07:24] Speaker C: So it's a take on a drink that I really enjoy in the summertime called an iceberg. So you make a frozen margarita, which this a little bit of fancy one with strawberries in it. So it's a nice blood red. [00:07:38] Speaker A: And then you're gonna come from the Garden. Those come from the Garden. [00:07:41] Speaker C: They did, actually. My gutter strawberries that I grow in a gutter. You make frozen margarita with some strawberries, then you pour a half a glass of some light beer, and then you top with some frozen margarita mix. So it creates, like, a little iceberg on top. Garnish with a little sanding sugar and a little slice of strawberry and a lime. [00:08:02] Speaker A: That sounds. [00:08:03] Speaker B: That sounds great. [00:08:04] Speaker A: Refreshing. [00:08:05] Speaker B: So refreshing. [00:08:05] Speaker A: The Basement tonight. [00:08:06] Speaker C: And it's that summer heat wave in December. [00:08:10] Speaker B: Yeah. But all you podcasters, you're going. You're. You're not going to want this in your cold, dark rooms. [00:08:17] Speaker C: Yeah, it becomes cold for you. Because it's December. [00:08:21] Speaker A: Yeah, you gotta hop onto YouTube. [00:08:26] Speaker B: Yeah. You get these things early. Okay. [00:08:27] Speaker C: Yeah, the YouTubes. [00:08:29] Speaker A: Mickey, what are you. What are you drinking tonight? [00:08:31] Speaker B: Well, I went with Fatheads Brewery, their groovy Juicy Hazy ipa. Because you know what? Nothing says groovy like the way they remixed the soundtrack. It was almost like a Michael Jackson jam. I was like, oh, okay, let's get it. Yeah. All right. But that's why I went with the Groovy ipa. [00:08:54] Speaker A: So you wouldn't leave the soundtrack alone with your son, is what you're saying. [00:08:58] Speaker B: No. Yeah, just like, it's like you enjoy. [00:09:01] Speaker A: The music, but you don't trust the music. [00:09:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I, I. You can like the art without liking the artist. [00:09:07] Speaker C: What you drinking, buddy? [00:09:10] Speaker A: Well, since Olympia Beer is no longer in operation as of, I think it, like, 2017 or 2019 finally stopped, paps Blue Ribbon acquired them. So I'm having some. The Ribbon honor in honor of Olympia Brewing. I used to have my. My grandpa owned, like, a convenience store that eventually, as times got harder, turned into a liquor store, essentially. So you always used to get, like, promotional, like, beer and liquor swag. [00:09:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:42] Speaker A: And one of the things we had up in my room, had in my room growing up was like a 3D light up Olympia beer sign. [00:09:49] Speaker C: Hell yeah. [00:09:50] Speaker A: Where it was like. It was like horseshoe in the waterfall and all that. Yeah, it was like there was. There was horses in a waterfall. Olympia Beer. And it lit up and it was awesome. So I'm having some Pabst Blue Ribbon. It's. I'm sweating my ass off, by the way. Yeah. [00:10:08] Speaker C: Keep hydrating. Drink more beer. [00:10:10] Speaker A: Exactly. It's made with artisanal. Or at least Olympia beer was with artisanal spring water. That was like part of their. Part of their whole thing in Washington. That's the claim. [00:10:23] Speaker C: You've been to Olympia, Washington? Have my doubts. [00:10:26] Speaker B: I have not been. [00:10:27] Speaker A: Have you been to Olympia, Washington? [00:10:29] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. It's a place. [00:10:33] Speaker A: Okay. Shots fired on Olympia from Olympia. [00:10:37] Speaker B: I don't know what he's talking about. [00:10:38] Speaker A: Guests on the podcast. He is not a regular on the podcast. We do not endorse anything he says, so. [00:10:48] Speaker B: Okay. [00:10:48] Speaker A: Chris. [00:10:49] Speaker C: Yo. [00:10:50] Speaker A: As our honored guest, your initiation into the club, you have to answer these 13 trivia questions. [00:10:58] Speaker C: Thirteen? [00:11:00] Speaker A: Well, it's Friday the 13th. [00:11:02] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Oh, I didn't get that. Thanks for clarifying. It wasn't the number. That was the throw off. It was the connection between the two. Thirteen. [00:11:10] Speaker B: Listen, this is. This is super easy, you know, and I'm Sure. That Michelangelo would be open for you. Means testing him at some point. [00:11:17] Speaker A: Yes, of course. Now, this is an honor system, so don't go on your phone, don't look at your notes, and you can ask Mickey for help you out with these. [00:11:27] Speaker C: Not gonna do any of that. [00:11:29] Speaker A: Okay. Okay, so the first trivia question to get access to the basement in this episode tonight. [00:11:37] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah. [00:11:38] Speaker A: What three iconic horror films did Friday the 13th rip off? [00:11:42] Speaker C: Well, I mean, that's kind of a hard one, right? Because, I mean, you could say, obviously, Black Christmas. I mean, you could say probably Halloween, right? 78, 79. Right. [00:11:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:57] Speaker C: I mean, the burning, obviously. I like. [00:12:02] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:12:06] Speaker A: Halloween's number one. [00:12:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it was after burning. [00:12:09] Speaker C: There's a lot of. No, no, no, no. The burning was total. [00:12:17] Speaker A: I got of the burning, if you haven't yet. [00:12:21] Speaker C: You know those old, like, Bing Crosby travel films. I get a lot of vibes of that off of the Halloween of this. Off of Friday 13th. [00:12:32] Speaker B: Well, that's what Halloween was based on. And then F13 was. Yeah. Taken. Yeah. [00:12:38] Speaker A: I don't think he's taking this seriously. [00:12:39] Speaker C: How about what about Bob? I'm going to say, what about Bob? [00:12:44] Speaker A: You know, we can get through this faster if you just give me some fucking answers, man. [00:12:48] Speaker C: Yeah, I got to take you seriously, and I don't like that. [00:12:55] Speaker A: Okay, okay. Come on. [00:12:58] Speaker B: You will. I mean, I think. I think that he got there with some of it. Yeah. I mean, he said Halloween. [00:13:03] Speaker A: Halloween. So what are they going to. [00:13:06] Speaker B: I would think the music. The music is very much pulled from something else. Oh, Saturday Night Fever part three. [00:13:14] Speaker A: Sure. But no, guys, this episode is gonna be three hours long if we don't get through this strings. [00:13:23] Speaker B: Well, I've never seen somebody come in here and completely alpha in such a way. [00:13:29] Speaker A: You didn't alpha me. [00:13:30] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, with you, buddy. You're like, guys, we gotta get this back on the rail. This is going off the rails. [00:13:37] Speaker C: Oh, Phantom of the Paradise. Because he's wearing a half mask. So they need to up the antes. They went full mask. [00:13:43] Speaker B: They went from Michelangelo's face. Right now. It's priceless. See, this is why you gotta get the YouTube exclusive. You gotta get the YouTube exclusive to. [00:13:59] Speaker C: Look at the pain and the agony. The regret. The regret. I finally have broken him. You're just. [00:14:08] Speaker A: Now you're ruining the podcast as well as my life. [00:14:12] Speaker C: The podcast? You're the one with your little questionnaire. [00:14:17] Speaker A: It's part of the tradition, which obviously you know about because you listen to all the episodes. [00:14:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:24] Speaker A: So, Mickey, do you want to answer the rest of this? [00:14:27] Speaker B: Yes. Halloween, Carrie, and Psycho. [00:14:31] Speaker A: Thank you, sir. That is correct. [00:14:34] Speaker C: Okay, I don't think so. [00:14:37] Speaker A: Moving on. [00:14:39] Speaker C: No, no, let's go back. I don't think we really answered, like, we didn't get to the meat of question one. [00:14:47] Speaker A: So. [00:14:48] Speaker B: Oh, man, you are struggling. Your. Your brow is sweaty. Your. Your V on your shirt is getting deeper and deeper. [00:14:56] Speaker A: It's going past my nipples. Going past my nipples. Okay, this one's for Mickey because there's no way Chris knows this. Hey, hey, hey. [00:15:06] Speaker C: I feel like I should definitely get first stab at it. [00:15:09] Speaker B: Nice. Good answer, good answer. [00:15:12] Speaker A: What is the original name of the camp where they shot the Original Friday the 13th? [00:15:16] Speaker C: Oh, camp. Man, I was really trying to remember the name of the camp from the burning, but I can't remember it. [00:15:25] Speaker A: Mickey, do you remember? [00:15:26] Speaker B: It's, you know, I don't. It. It's either Camp not a Voorhees or Camp Arrow. [00:15:33] Speaker C: That's the best one. [00:15:36] Speaker A: Camp Nadavor. He's very, very close. Camp Nobi Bosco, which is a made up name. Moving on. Chris. [00:15:48] Speaker C: Yo. [00:15:50] Speaker A: When does the first recorded murder happen in the Friday the 13th storyline? [00:15:56] Speaker C: Like day or year or both or. Only one. [00:16:01] Speaker A: I'll take, not the other. I'll take any 50. [00:16:03] Speaker C: Is it 58? [00:16:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:07] Speaker B: Good job, good job. [00:16:10] Speaker A: 1858. Yeah, yeah. [00:16:12] Speaker C: It was those Pilgrim murders. [00:16:14] Speaker A: Yep. June 13th, 1958. Now, extra points. Can anyone name the counselors who were murdered? [00:16:22] Speaker C: I'm gonna go. [00:16:23] Speaker A: Gary and Melinda, Claudette and Barry. So close. Now, can either of you guess what was Jason's original name? [00:16:36] Speaker B: Propsy. [00:16:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:40] Speaker A: Great. [00:16:41] Speaker C: Something. [00:16:43] Speaker A: It was Josh. Now, I. I think you could probably. What film critic gave this? The Original Friday the 13th? A scathing review and something that would probably get him in trouble. Now, printed. Printed a beloved actress's address so that fans could write her hate. [00:17:11] Speaker C: Jesus, that's terrible. [00:17:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:14] Speaker C: Is it Ebert? [00:17:16] Speaker A: No, Cisco, you're right there. [00:17:20] Speaker B: You're right there. [00:17:20] Speaker A: Yeah, he. He was. [00:17:21] Speaker C: He was. [00:17:22] Speaker A: He was so, like, he felt so betrayed by Betsy Palmer, who had this, like, beautiful career as like a, you know, family, wholesome. He felt betrayed and like, like, can you. Can you imagine something like. That's insane? [00:17:38] Speaker C: I can because that kind of happens, like today, but like, not by a critic. You know what I mean? [00:17:45] Speaker A: Critic. [00:17:46] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, Better than that. [00:17:49] Speaker B: It's like doxing is a thing now. But it's like, then it was like that you would not do that if you were like one of the most renowned critics in the Us on, you know, and also just so Caddy also, too. [00:18:00] Speaker C: I mean, like, yeah, it's that woman actress's fault. Like, you don't know her life. Maybe she just needs a check. [00:18:06] Speaker B: Like. [00:18:06] Speaker A: Yeah, she's a working actor. [00:18:08] Speaker C: Like, yeah, terrible. [00:18:10] Speaker B: Also the thing she's most known for now. I mean, honestly. [00:18:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:18:15] Speaker C: What a prick. Cisco. [00:18:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:18] Speaker A: Now can rest in peace. [00:18:22] Speaker C: I know how you got cancer. Being so mean. [00:18:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So sad. Can either of you name at least one Friday the 13th film that was released on Friday the 13th? It correlates. Go ahead. [00:18:42] Speaker C: Is it five? [00:18:44] Speaker A: Let's see here. No, five is not one of them. It correlates. Chris or Mickey. Do you. Do you have one? [00:18:53] Speaker B: I'm gonna say four, but I don't think that's right. [00:18:56] Speaker A: Four was one of them. [00:18:58] Speaker B: Okay. Was one of the other one. 84 was the other one. [00:19:02] Speaker A: There's more than. There's more than two. [00:19:04] Speaker B: No, there's more. [00:19:05] Speaker C: Two. [00:19:05] Speaker B: Okay. Manhattan. [00:19:08] Speaker C: The later ones, right? Didn't they do, like, go to hell or. One of those was. [00:19:12] Speaker B: But that's not an F13. Those aren't F13. [00:19:16] Speaker A: We're gonna get into that. So you guys. [00:19:20] Speaker C: So many rules, man. [00:19:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm feeling caged in. [00:19:26] Speaker A: Rules are fun. So Friday 13th, part three was released. [00:19:32] Speaker C: All right. [00:19:33] Speaker A: On the 13th, part four, part seven, part nine, and the 2009. [00:19:40] Speaker B: 239. [00:19:41] Speaker A: Yeah, reimagined. Was all. What were all released on an actual Friday the 13th. Now, how many. Chris, how many people does Jason kill? How many people does Jason kill in the first Friday the 13th film? [00:19:55] Speaker C: Well, Jason kills. None. [00:19:57] Speaker A: Correct? [00:19:58] Speaker B: Yep. He threw you a softball, Chris. [00:20:05] Speaker A: And Jason Goes To Hell, Part 9, whose hand reaches up from hell to grab Jason's mask. [00:20:11] Speaker B: Oh, you know this. [00:20:12] Speaker C: Oh, it's Freddy Krueger. [00:20:14] Speaker A: That's correct. [00:20:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:16] Speaker A: I'm sorry. [00:20:17] Speaker C: Gary Cooper. That's what. [00:20:18] Speaker A: Gary Cooper. [00:20:19] Speaker C: Yep. [00:20:19] Speaker A: Chris who plays the original Tommy Jarvis and Part four. [00:20:24] Speaker C: Oh, what's his name? [00:20:27] Speaker B: Yep. Come on. [00:20:28] Speaker C: Feldman. Feldman. [00:20:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. [00:20:31] Speaker A: One of the. [00:20:32] Speaker B: One of the. [00:20:33] Speaker C: Corey. [00:20:34] Speaker B: Corey, yeah, Corey. He's one of the Corey's. Yeah. [00:20:37] Speaker C: Don't remember his name. [00:20:39] Speaker A: Check out our Lost Boys. [00:20:41] Speaker C: My favorite Michael Jackson ripoff musician. [00:20:46] Speaker B: We also. We also have a silver bullet for the other Corey. Corey Haim. [00:20:52] Speaker C: Because you're gonna murder him. [00:20:54] Speaker A: Yep. [00:20:55] Speaker B: Yep. [00:20:56] Speaker C: We got that silver bullet whenever he comes back. [00:20:59] Speaker B: That son of a. That. That poor bastard. He had. He had a tough life, man. Tough life. [00:21:04] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Now, Chris, which movie. Which movie is referred to as Jason versus Carrie? [00:21:15] Speaker C: Oh, that's the telekinesis lady. Is that. [00:21:20] Speaker B: Don't say. You can tell. Can. He's this lady six or seven? Oh, boy, oh, boy. [00:21:29] Speaker A: Seven. [00:21:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:29] Speaker C: You're good. [00:21:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:30] Speaker B: Yep. [00:21:31] Speaker A: You got it. Okay, we're almost done. [00:21:36] Speaker C: Listener, I'm sure. [00:21:37] Speaker A: I know it is. I love the support I get. What name do the locals use for Camp Crystal Lake? Chris. [00:21:47] Speaker B: You know this? Chris? [00:21:49] Speaker C: Really? [00:21:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:50] Speaker C: The locals use for Camp Crystal Lake. [00:21:52] Speaker B: In the movies. In the movies, yeah. [00:21:54] Speaker C: Oh, which one does that come up in? [00:21:58] Speaker A: A lot of. [00:21:59] Speaker B: They just say it. Really? They call it. They call it something. [00:22:03] Speaker A: Okay. Mickey, you know this. Go ahead. [00:22:05] Speaker B: Camp Blood. [00:22:07] Speaker A: Camp Blood. [00:22:10] Speaker C: It's not very good. They need a punch up. [00:22:17] Speaker A: Who is Jason's first kill in part two? [00:22:21] Speaker B: Oh. [00:22:22] Speaker C: Oh. I haven't seen part two in a long time. [00:22:28] Speaker A: Okay. Mickey, do you know it? [00:22:32] Speaker B: I'm not cheating. I'm not. My hands are up. [00:22:34] Speaker A: Okay. All right. [00:22:35] Speaker B: Jason's first kill in part two would be when he goes to get his little. Not pillowcase or potato sack head. I'm gonna say Farmer John as incorrect. It's Alice in part two. I'm so sorry. It is Alice from. From part one. Yeah. I'm sorry, I was thinking. Yeah, yeah, my bad. [00:23:06] Speaker A: And now. [00:23:07] Speaker B: And actually it's part three opens the way. I was just saying that it's the guy who runs the country store. Yeah. [00:23:13] Speaker A: Now. [00:23:18] Speaker C: The country store owner and the film that we're supposedly going to talk. [00:23:21] Speaker B: About at some point. [00:23:22] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll get to it in about an hour. [00:23:25] Speaker C: Christ. [00:23:26] Speaker A: Mickey. Who plays adult Jason on screen for the first time ever in the franchise history. [00:23:34] Speaker B: Who plays adult Jason for the first time ever? It's the. Okay, you're. This is a trick question. Is it the makeup artist? Is it a female? Or is it Tom Savini? Or do you want the actual actor who played Jason? [00:23:49] Speaker A: You kind of remember a little bit of this. So it was the costume designer, Elaine Lutter. [00:23:55] Speaker B: Elaine. Yeah. [00:23:56] Speaker A: Jason's feet. So the first on screen appearance of Salt Jason is Elaine Letter. [00:24:01] Speaker B: But she wasn't the makeup artist. [00:24:03] Speaker A: No, she was the costume designer. [00:24:04] Speaker B: Okay, my bad, my bad. Okay. Yeah. [00:24:06] Speaker A: Some other chick job. [00:24:10] Speaker B: Costume, makeup. It'll be the same to me. It's just some girls. [00:24:15] Speaker A: Now, so. Okay. If you are a constant listener of the podcast, you will know we just got out of the camp, not a Voorhees section of the video store. So why not celebrate by actually talking about a Friday the 13th film? Love it. [00:24:35] Speaker B: Love it. [00:24:35] Speaker A: Tonight we are talking about the last Original Friday the 13th film, the first West coast crystal Lake shooting location. Its shooting script was titled Crystal Japan. It stars a jacked British Jason Voorhees. I am, of course, talking about 1982, Saturday the 14th, aka Friday the 13th, part 3, 3D, a new dimension and terror. [00:25:03] Speaker B: And I'm a special film for you. [00:25:06] Speaker A: Very special to me. And I'm gonna quote. I'm gonna quote one of the creators here. We had very little time to spend on conventional things like character and plot. So with that, now, Chris. Chris is no expert. Chris does not adore the films the way some of us do. And that's ok, buddy. [00:25:34] Speaker B: Chris, are you okay? Go ahead. Go ahead. What? [00:25:37] Speaker A: What? Chris, do you remember your first exposure to Friday the 13th? Now, we're gonna skip Mickey and I in this because we have previous episodes where we talked about this. [00:25:47] Speaker B: Go back and listen. [00:25:48] Speaker A: Yeah. So do you remember your first exposure to Friday the 13th and did you connect with it? [00:25:54] Speaker C: You know, I'm pretty sure that, like, my first obviously, like, connection to it would have been like, seeing commercials when I was a real little kid and then like, seeing, like, the box covers in the video store to, like, actually watching the movies. Man, I don't remember. Like, it all kind of runs together a bit in my head. Like, I think maybe it was like, I want to say, like. Like, you know, I think the first one I watched was definitely in that mid area. I think it was probably. Probably four, maybe five. No, it would have been five. Probably like four or six somewhere in there. And then I kind of, like, you know, watched a few and then went back and watched some. And I've always been kind of off and on. Yeah. I don't know. Like, it just, like the Friday 13th just never really quite, like, they're fine, but they just never really quite hit me like I think they did for you. [00:26:47] Speaker B: Wow. [00:26:48] Speaker A: So on your horror scale, Friday 13th is not high on the list? [00:26:52] Speaker C: No, I would put, like, I love the idea of Jason. I love the concept of Jason. The problem is I feel like most of the films kind of disappoint me. So, like, I think that, like, as a concept, actually kind of high, as an execution kind of low. Okay. [00:27:08] Speaker B: Okay. [00:27:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:10] Speaker A: Do you. Do you have a favorite? [00:27:15] Speaker B: Pardon? [00:27:16] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, that's a good question. Like, I don't think I distinctly have one in re watching this, which. It's been a long time since I've seen it. It made me probably want to go back and re. Watch. I think, like, my. The section probably from like, 5 to 8 is probably my preferred area, really. [00:27:35] Speaker B: Okay, that's really interesting. [00:27:37] Speaker C: I think I just like how nuts it is. [00:27:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it's nuts. [00:27:43] Speaker C: I'd say that that's the thing with a lot of the Friday big swings. Yeah. And I think that's the thing with a lot of the Friday 13s, is that almost like. [00:27:52] Speaker B: It. [00:27:53] Speaker C: It doesn't. It's not bad to me. It's also not good. It's just like there, which almost like I would prefer it to be worse in a way. You know what I mean? Because then I would have more of a reaction to it as a viewer. It's almost like for some of these, like some of the early films and they're just so slow and kind of plotting that just kind of. I don't know, it kind of gets me a bit indifferent. [00:28:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, that, that makes sense. They. They jammed out in a decade, they jammed out eight films. You know what I mean? So it's like. [00:28:24] Speaker C: And who can blame them, man, if you spend a million dollars and make 30, you know, it's good money. [00:28:29] Speaker B: Pretty. Pretty easy investment there. [00:28:32] Speaker A: And you know, I gotta say, like, part five, a new beginning. The Scooby Doo, Friday 13th. Like, I love that they tried something new. [00:28:43] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. [00:28:44] Speaker A: And different. Batshit crazy. Oh, yeah. But it doesn't quite. It doesn't quite. [00:28:50] Speaker C: Oh, no. [00:28:50] Speaker A: It's not bad enough to be like, like the room or anything. And it's not quite executed with that sense of humor, with a through line that it's like completely. So I. I hear you there, but. [00:29:04] Speaker C: And they gain that pretty quick after that because what is it? Is it more in six or more in seven where you can definitely start to see the fact that they're like. Well, we should have some like, funny moments here. [00:29:14] Speaker B: So not seven, not seven, not seven. No. 7 doesn't try to go, I think go funny. If you're laughing during seven, I don't think seven. [00:29:24] Speaker A: Watch six. Six. Six is almost like a great film. And that's the first six marks Jason as a zombie. For the first time, he comes back to life as a. As a like Frankenstein esque zombie type mon. The filmmaker wanted to shoot it in black and white and he wanted to make sort of like a like. But not, not like prestige art house, like, like universe. [00:29:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:51] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Like fun. Like, like that sounds really fun. There is a. There is a quality to it that kind of has like a Monster Squad type of vibe to it. [00:30:01] Speaker B: But it does. [00:30:01] Speaker A: And it's the first and only, I think Friday the 13th that actually has campers at the camp. [00:30:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. That's always. It's always so funny to me. These first. So many films don't have any that. [00:30:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, this one doesn't even have a camp. [00:30:18] Speaker B: No, it's just visiting at home. Yeah. [00:30:20] Speaker A: Yeah, They're. They're. They're like. They're like, across the lake from the. We'll get into the lake. We'll get into in a minute, but. So, Chris, would you want to see a. Like, do you think they'll finally make a thirteenth Friday the thirteenth film? And in your opinion, would it be the thirteenth Friday the 13th film? [00:30:42] Speaker C: Oh, I don't have the, like, standards that you guys have on what is and is not a Friday the 13th film. If it's got a Jason in it. Sure. It's part of it. I think it's fine. [00:30:52] Speaker A: So I guess according to you, the first Friday 13th is it. Right. It's 13th film. [00:31:00] Speaker C: But, I mean, they will eventually. They have to. I mean, there's money to be had. I mean, there's legal stuff they're gonna hash out. [00:31:06] Speaker B: They. [00:31:07] Speaker C: I mean, they're about to do that prequel series on Peacock that. [00:31:11] Speaker A: Well, they made a liar out of Mickey. They made a liar because a previous. Our previous staff meeting episode, Mickey's like, it's in development. They got Crystal Lake, a 24 peacock. And it's, like, apparently got delayed and it's still not out as of now. [00:31:27] Speaker B: Indefinite. No. Because nobody's willing to give up the rights. It's like, there's just too much around it. [00:31:32] Speaker A: But to. To be honest with you. [00:31:34] Speaker C: Oh, I thought they ran off. The showrunner is what happened. That just happened. [00:31:37] Speaker B: Like. [00:31:38] Speaker C: Yeah, the showrunner was a guy, like. He's a pretty prominent showrunner, like Brian Fuller. [00:31:45] Speaker A: Fuller. Yeah. [00:31:46] Speaker C: Yeah. He got. He got ran off by a 24 and was like, oh, they decided because of creative differences. And then everyone was like, no, he's got a history of sexual harassment issues. [00:31:56] Speaker B: Oh, I didn't know that. Okay. [00:31:59] Speaker C: Yeah, that just happened, like, a month ago. Mean. Yeah. [00:32:01] Speaker A: Yeah. I. I will say this. I don't think we need a series. [00:32:08] Speaker C: No. A prequel series thing. [00:32:10] Speaker A: Keep it to 90 minutes or less. I want a movie. I could be a prequel. I don't. We've. If you listen to previous episodes, Mickey and I have had our pitches. Mickey. What. What's up, buddy? [00:32:23] Speaker C: I just. [00:32:23] Speaker B: I. I think that. I think that. That. [00:32:25] Speaker A: That. [00:32:26] Speaker B: I think both of you are wrong on so many levels. [00:32:30] Speaker C: Now, we're talking about life here. This has Nothing to do about the podcast. [00:32:39] Speaker B: I think if you hand this series to somebody like. Like, we talk about the 19. Is it 1984 or 85? [00:32:47] Speaker A: 1984, I think is. Or is it 85? The American horror Story did a camp horror thing. [00:32:55] Speaker B: I think it could be a. A very fun thing with Jason in that scenario where you're doing, like, a series that's like, really camp, really fun. Really, like. Like having fun with all the tropes doing. I think that's. That's where you almost have to go with it. Unless you're gonna turn this franchise over to some kind of, like, really interesting, like, Thai west kind of director who's gonna do something bold with the story in a film. Because I think otherwise you run into the. The situation Texas Chainsaw Massacre had in the last couple of. Do a 90 minute. You know, just like we're going to do a modern slasher with it. And it kind of feels a little bit like the production value looks too good for what it is, and the story is too underdeveloped for what it is. And I think that there could be something really fun that we could do with the series that would take this thing in a different direction, that could pay homage to the people who love these films. While also the people who think these films are a little, like, they want more of that camp like Chris wants. They can really heighten that and make it really, like, a fun series to watch. Watch. I'll go back to Scream Queens. Other things like that where they're really taking, like, the killer or the final girl aspect or, you know, the, you know, prom queen and stuff like that. They really are leaning into that and making fun of it, but in a way where it's not like, insulting the fans, it's kind of like paying service to the fans. [00:34:18] Speaker A: Now, Now, Chris, do you. I don't know if you thought about this, but do you have a pitch for Your Friday the 13th film? [00:34:29] Speaker C: You know, I don't really have a pitch necessarily. I think. I think because actually, I think how you actually wrote the question to me because you sent me a questionnaire of things to think about. Yes, but it was like, kind of like. [00:34:40] Speaker B: I think. [00:34:41] Speaker C: I think your question actually was, what would you like to see in a Friday the 13th film? [00:34:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, so what would you want. What would you want your Friday the 13th movie to be? [00:34:49] Speaker C: I'll say this. It's not Friday the 13th, but I think. And I haven't seen it yet, but I think. And I will this weekend. I can't wait. To just spoil the. Out of it in a violent nature might be it. Like, I like that, like, idea. [00:35:04] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:35:05] Speaker C: And I'm really looking forward to seeing it because I think it might, like, scratch that itch of what I would probably want to see out of a Friday the 13th film, even though it's not a Friday 13th film. [00:35:17] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:35:18] Speaker A: So I, I can't wait to see it as well. And like, I think, I think it, like one of. If you go back and listen, like, I love the idea of like, an auteur making a film loosely around the concept and, like, not having a lot of money to do it and keeping. [00:35:38] Speaker C: It short and not married to, like, rules and concepts. [00:35:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I think we talked about, like a, like a reimagining. [00:35:49] Speaker B: Yes, yes, we get it. Yes. Who invited this down here? You're not part of the club. You. I don't care if you get every answer right. [00:35:59] Speaker A: You did not make. [00:36:00] Speaker C: You're. [00:36:01] Speaker A: You're out. [00:36:02] Speaker B: You're out. [00:36:04] Speaker C: Out. [00:36:06] Speaker A: So I gotta say, guys, why are we so out of all A Fright now originally. And Mickey, we'll do this at some other time probably. There, There is a. There's a Friday the 13th in September and a Friday the 13th in December. And if you're listening to this on the audio only version, it is December. But Mickey and I wanted to go through our personal rankings of the 12 films. But I. This was gonna suck up too much time. Yeah, we'll do that another time. It's okay. But your top three, Mickey, what would they be? And we'll see if they line up with my. With my top three. [00:36:45] Speaker B: You know that I have a deep love for Tina and Lar Park Lincoln's character that she plays in part seven. So part seven, the new blood, is number one for Mickey. Oh, yeah. Carrie versus Jason. The ultimate standoff. All right, number two is F13, part one, the original. Give me Pamela Voorhees. Recapitated, not decapitated. F13, part four, the final chapter. That is my number three. Corey Feldman, Tommy Jarvis, standing up to the man. [00:37:16] Speaker A: My. My top three is going to start with part four, the final chapter, in 1984 in the Paramount run. Then my number two is going to be part two. I love part two. Ginny is my favorite final girl in the series. I also think it's the most interesting take on Jason as a whole. And then my number three is the original Friday the 13th, 1980. And I will say this, this always makes me kind of laugh, but out of one through 12, Mickey's number one ranks nine for me. [00:37:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:52] Speaker A: And mind you, these are this all. Slice of pizza, baby. I'll take them all. We're. [00:37:58] Speaker B: No, no, we're simpatico on 1. 4, 2, 3. It's like we're right there. It just. For me, part seven hit me at the right place at the right time. During. Whether it was a sexual awakening, whether it was a love of, like, watching strong women stand, you know, really cruel men. I mean, obviously these guys don't adhere to that at all. That doesn't appeal to them. But it does me. Yeah, it just. It's something that. That part seven is. Is badass. Go watch it. You're going to be surprised how much you like it, especially if it's a rewatch and you watch it when you're. [00:38:30] Speaker A: Younger now, which I think. [00:38:32] Speaker C: I think I need to do on some of those. Like, especially in that era. I feel like that. That range, I need to revisit. [00:38:38] Speaker B: Project entrance Cane harder. Entrance of one of the best kills ever. In the sleep bag. [00:38:43] Speaker C: Yeah, right. [00:38:43] Speaker B: Yeah, the sleeping bag. And then also, again, like. Like instead of a final girl that was running the whole time, a final girl starts to use her power to fight back. [00:38:53] Speaker A: But it's pretty awesome. The last. The last, like, 20 minutes of that movie is awesome. Minus the conclusion, in my opinion. [00:39:02] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I know. I agree with that. That's the one little fault of it. Yeah, that's. [00:39:06] Speaker A: By the way, spoilers for all The Friday the 13th films. [00:39:09] Speaker B: Yeah. F13. All the way. All the way. [00:39:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Now, Mickey, you. So you consider 1 through 8 to. [00:39:19] Speaker B: Be the true F13s. [00:39:22] Speaker A: The true F13. So once new Line hops on with Jason Goes to Hell, Jason X and Freddy vs. Jason, you don't consider those canon? [00:39:31] Speaker B: With the. The 2009 reboot? I consider canon because it's a Friday 13th, but anything that's a Jason title, I think falls outside of Friday 13th franchise and enters into the Jason films. So I guess what I'm trying to say to you is that if you're trying to get the 13th film of the Friday 13th, you can't include Jason X, Freddy versus Jason, or Jason Goes to Hell. [00:39:58] Speaker A: So you have five more films you need to make. [00:40:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:02] Speaker C: Side stories. [00:40:05] Speaker B: Yeah, because you're saying it's one. No, you have three. You have four. Four films to get to the 13th, 13th, Jason Goes to Hell, Freddy vs. Jason together. [00:40:15] Speaker A: So nine doesn't count, huh? [00:40:19] Speaker C: Nine counts, right? [00:40:21] Speaker B: No, Jason X is nine. No, wait. [00:40:23] Speaker A: No, no, no, no. [00:40:25] Speaker B: Ten. [00:40:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's five. [00:40:28] Speaker C: So it'd be eight. Yeah. So you have to make five films. [00:40:31] Speaker A: Five to make 13. [00:40:32] Speaker C: Okay. You're right. [00:40:33] Speaker A: Within your math. [00:40:34] Speaker B: Checks out well, but that's. If we're not considering the reboot Friday 13th as well. [00:40:39] Speaker A: That doesn't count, obviously, because it's not. It's just a rehash of 1 through 4, essentially. It doesn't really bring any new ideas to the franchise. Although I did enjoy it. I enjoyed it. [00:40:51] Speaker C: I remember. [00:40:51] Speaker A: Like, it's exactly what you want it to be. You know what I mean? [00:40:54] Speaker C: That is fair. That actually does. Yeah. What you're saying earlier about scratching. Yeah, I feel like that one does. The reboot actually works really well. [00:41:01] Speaker A: It. While at the same time kind of being disappointing because it doesn't really bring anything new, but it gives it like. It did surprise me how, I guess how poorly it did and how it kind of killed like any. Any. Any future momentum projects for a while. But, like, I thought it was like, it had a great cast of really talented people. Yeah, you know, it looked good. It looked like a film. A lot of my complaints nowadays is that films don't look like films. [00:41:31] Speaker B: Was that one of the. Correct me if I'm wrong, was that one of the Bruckheimer redos or. [00:41:35] Speaker A: No, that was the Platinum Dunes, I believe. [00:41:39] Speaker B: Platinum Dunes, Yeah, it was. [00:41:42] Speaker A: So it was a co production of Paramount, New Line, Platinum Dunes and Warner Brothers. [00:41:47] Speaker B: Okay. [00:41:47] Speaker A: So really got it. Got the. You know, they were following the Michael Bay sort of reboot of Texas Chainsaw thing that they were doing for a while and I think finally died out with Nightmare on Elm Street. It was that. That was pretty bad. [00:42:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:04] Speaker B: Jessica Beal's TCM was. Is pretty good, I feel like. [00:42:07] Speaker A: I mean. [00:42:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it's good. [00:42:09] Speaker A: She's great. [00:42:10] Speaker B: She's great. Oh, she's great. [00:42:13] Speaker A: I want to do anything. [00:42:14] Speaker B: Yeah, she's great. [00:42:15] Speaker C: Why do you guys change your voice tones there? That was creepy. So good. [00:42:20] Speaker B: No, no, no. I don't know what you. I also feel the same way about Arley Hammer. He was really good in that, too. [00:42:33] Speaker C: Did you guys. Have you guys seen any of the Friday the 13th or Jason films in the theater? [00:42:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I saw 2009. Was the 2009 only one I've seen. And I like. I would like tonight's film that we're talking about. I would love to see it in 3D in the theater. That would be so much fun. [00:42:55] Speaker B: So nice. So nice. [00:43:03] Speaker C: That pot roast coming towards you as they lift the arms towards the screen. [00:43:09] Speaker B: But when Ali punches out that window. Come on, man. That'd be like. Come on. Oh, you'd be, like, feeling that he's good. [00:43:17] Speaker A: But that's. That's fine. Makes no sense for other reasons that Chris would be scared. [00:43:22] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. That Wisconsin. He's like, I've never seen anything like this. Who acts this way. [00:43:31] Speaker A: Why. Why are we talking about Friday 13th Part 3 tonight? [00:43:37] Speaker B: I mean, for obvious reasons, this is. This was, like. I've said this before. This is the Apple ipod touch of the F13 franchise. This is a moment where it changed. [00:43:50] Speaker A: Well, this is what it is. [00:43:51] Speaker B: It's the moment where it changed everything. You introduced so many things in this particular film that become the iconic part of this franchise. It's the ipod touch of the F13 series. [00:44:05] Speaker C: I really would like Mickey to break down horror films related to. [00:44:10] Speaker B: Yeah, well, no, no, but. But Michelangelo would agree that he considers the director, like, the Steve Jobs of movies. [00:44:17] Speaker C: Exorcist 3. That's like KitchenAid mixer. [00:44:20] Speaker B: He loves you. Love Soul Man. Yeah. Directed his favorite actor in Forever Young. [00:44:30] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Mel Gibson. I was gonna make all these jokes about Chris, and you're beating me to the punch. Also. Also, I did lob this up for someone to go, well, Michelangelo, you picked a film, so why don't you tell us why we're talking about the movie? But. [00:44:49] Speaker C: No, no, actually, that brings up something. I would have sworn that you said something about this being your favorite, and that's why we were talking about. But then it wasn't on your list. [00:44:55] Speaker A: No. No, it's not. No. So Part three is not my favorite, but it is number four on my list. [00:45:03] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [00:45:04] Speaker A: It's number four, which I think is a good place to be on the list. Right. Kind of in the chunky, kind of like the beginning of the middle Oreo. [00:45:13] Speaker B: The Oreo cream. It's in between the two, like. Yeah. [00:45:20] Speaker A: So FF13 as a whole, for me was sort of my gateway into, like, harder horror. Outside of, like, Monster Squad and Hocus Pocus. If you're a constant listener of the podcast, you'll know that I shied away from the horror films as a kid, and it was when I met Mickey when I was 18. We were going to acting school, and he shepherded doing, like, a marathon of The Friday the 13th films, I think, in October. [00:45:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:49] Speaker A: In a, like, this big, empty room in our. In our dorm room in our sort of housing, which used to be a halfway house in New York that's referenced in Catcher in the Rye. And at that age it was just like I was. I was in New York, I was young, and I was like a sponge absorbing everything. And Friday the 13th kind of got lumped in with, like, Arthur Miller, Kushner and Rebeck, you know what I mean? It's just like. [00:46:19] Speaker B: It's Jakespirant. Check off. You got Sean Cunningham. You got. [00:46:27] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. So this. And. And like, the communal aspect of, like, being in this big, empty room with a bunch of friends hanging out, like, eating cereal, pissing in milk jugs, empty milk jugs, like watching. Watching them on vhs, it just embodied this sort of like that. And I talk about it a lot on the podcast. This sort of like. Like, Friday, Saturday night feeling of, like, hanging out with your friends, eating pizza, like, having a good time, watching a scary movie. This, the Friday 13th films end up representing sort of like that fun sort of thing. And when summer rolls around, I gotta watch some Friday the 13th films. And this one, to me, kind of, you know, to piggyback off what you were saying, Mickey. It sort of like, embodies, like. Like, part two and part three. Kind of lay the groundwork for where part four goes. And, like, you know, you get the mask, you get the. You know, we're gonna. We're gonna introduce these characters, and they're all gonna die. And, like, you know, it's just. It's just a fun time. You don't take it too seriously. It's. It's. It looks good. And I love Richard Broker's performance as Jason. He was In Death Stalker 2 or no, Deathstalker, the first one, Deathstalker, he, like, ran away from the circus as a kid, and there are. I'm gonna probably put them up in the video here, but there are tons of photos of him, like, reading Fangoria magazine and smoking a pipe and being shirtless. He was just like, this, like, muscular trapeze artist British guy who actually saved Alice, Adrian King from being roofied at a bar at a one night during their, like, rounds of conventions. There's a whole documentary about basically, him. And the third film, I forget the name of it, but you can check it out. It's okay. But Richard Broker, he. He, like, developed a audio piece of audio equipment and won an Emmy for it. And it's, like, in all the cell phones and, like, had a patent for it. He directed and produced a bunch of Bill Nye the Science Guy episodes. He was a renaissance. He was a Renaissance man, Richard Broker. And I kind of like his sort of Jason's performance in this of, like, he's Kind of like Latsk. Lackadaisical. And like, it's like he gets his fill once he murders someone and then he's kind of just like aimlessly walking to the next thing, whatever it might be, if he's not. If he's not engaged. And then that the. The last little section. Truly terrifying to me. I thought. I think it's like a good, like, five minutes of, like, when she wa. When Chris wakes up. But we'll get to that. [00:49:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:26] Speaker A: What was, what was. Mickey, what was your, like, history with Part three, if you even remember the first time you saw it? [00:49:35] Speaker B: I. I don't remember exactly when I first saw it, but I do know that we. We've had this conversation before and like, part like Jason Takes Manhattan. And like, those were like, when I was like, of age coming about it. And that introduced me to it. And then I had to go rewatch all the originals. And Part three was the one that I just. I. It's not in my top. It's in my top five. It's not in my top three. But what Part three does for the franchise is it introduces the mask. It introduces just a lot of elements that become kind of what Friday 13th film is. So it's probably the one I've watched the most. And as a kid growing up, I feel like I was a little bit of a Shelly as far as, like, being somebody who. [00:50:18] Speaker A: Oh, no, you weren't. No, you weren't. No, you weren't. [00:50:19] Speaker B: You weren't. [00:50:20] Speaker A: A fucking piece of shit, toxic male scumbag. Okay, Mickey, don't do that. You do this to yourself. I, I often find myself rescuing you from saying that you're like a character when you're not. Shelly sucks, dude. [00:50:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I don't agree. He sucks. I'm like, I can self reflect and, and be like, you know, Sarah a. [00:50:40] Speaker A: Because she's cool. She's being amazing with him. [00:50:43] Speaker B: I know. I'm not, I'm not saying that I called a bunch of girls, but I was like the annoying guy that thought he was like, really being funny with scary masks and trying to, like, scare people. And it's like, it probably was annoying and that's kind of who I was. I'm not saying I was exactly Shelly. And I'm gonna do all the, the shitty movie things they write for Shelly, but. But I identify it with somebody who was like, somebody who thought that he was being funny by scaring people that probably didn't want to be with. [00:51:12] Speaker A: Mickey. You. You have two things. [00:51:17] Speaker B: I. I had all the Fangoria magazines and all the stuff that Shelley would have had, they'd brought with them. But the difference is that, no, I wasn't attractive and charismatic, and I was. Yeah. And I didn't go around calling everybody a. That didn't like me. It's like I was self aware. [00:51:30] Speaker A: Right. [00:51:30] Speaker B: It's the reason why I can say I understand where he was. Like, Shelly would not ever say, he's a Shelley. [00:51:38] Speaker A: When Mickey and I were in acting school, we both had girlfriends and we made a promise, like girlfriends back home. And we made a promise to look, like, look out for each other, make sure we didn't, like, cheat. And, like, it was a problem for Mickey because Mickey was like a Harry Connick Jr. Latin James Dean, playing the guitar, smoking cigarettes. He's hilarious. Like, yeah, a little too far with the practical joke sometimes. I appreciate it. Oh, for sure, for sure. But, you know, you're not a Shelley. But I. I can appreciate you're more of a Tommy, if anything, man, you know? [00:52:15] Speaker B: More of a Tommy Jarvis. [00:52:16] Speaker A: Yeah, baby. You know, he's. He likes the monster magazines and he likes the horror stuff, but, like, you know, they're fun. The practical jokes are fun, not like, not misguided. [00:52:27] Speaker B: Only part four. You're not saying I'm Tommy in part six. [00:52:32] Speaker C: Six. [00:52:33] Speaker A: Oh, you're as attractive. You're. You're a slice of. A slice of sexy male hunk meat. Yeah, like, nobody wants to be Tommy in part five. [00:52:41] Speaker B: Nobody wants to be Tommy. [00:52:42] Speaker A: He's jacked, though. Tommy part five is jacked. [00:52:45] Speaker B: He's got some. He's shredded. He shredded. [00:52:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, but we, like. I love how, like, you say you're like a character that's shitty. I defend you and you get mad at me. [00:52:58] Speaker B: I'm not mad at you for saying no, I'm just saying. I'm just saying that. That I'm not looking at myself in the worst parts of Shelly. I'm saying in the sense of, like, yes, he was a nerd who's into horror stuff. So was I. And when I watched this for the first time early on, I was like, oh, Shelly seems really cool. And then, yes, there are problems with Shelly. Obviously, as you. As you mature and you wisen up, nobody's gonna sit there and defend Shelley. But. No, but as a kid, it was like, this is like, oh, he's got the masks, he's got the. The cool outfits. He loves horror. And that's kind of how I was. [00:53:30] Speaker A: In the woods hunting vampires with your dog. Your personal nuke. [00:53:35] Speaker B: Yeah, listen, not the one. Not the one who was like, like all jazz to like smoke out the van. I'm more the one that's like, I want to go inside and get like a cool, like, magazine and then I want to like, you know, I, I just, you know, like I said, I'm not. Obviously there are problems with Shelly, but I can identify with that character regardless. [00:53:57] Speaker A: Chris, do you care to ridicule him? The way about me, when I identify with a problematic character, well, it's different. [00:54:05] Speaker B: Because I'm not identifying. I don't identify with him the way you identify with Martin. He likes horror films and is nerdy. [00:54:14] Speaker A: Don't watch the Martin episode. It's up by now. [00:54:18] Speaker B: Chris. [00:54:19] Speaker C: Yeah, you don't want to identify with the worst character of the movie, though. That's definitely a. [00:54:24] Speaker A: Is he the worst or is Scumbag Rick the worst? We'll get into that. We'll get into that. But so, so Chris, make. [00:54:31] Speaker C: Rick's the worst. [00:54:32] Speaker A: I think Rick, I mean, I'll say arguably Jason. [00:54:37] Speaker B: Jason's the worst. [00:54:39] Speaker A: If you ask me. Edna's the worst. You know what I mean? [00:54:42] Speaker B: Like, who's the guy who runs the country store? [00:54:45] Speaker A: Yeah, they're both. [00:54:47] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean. And also, Harold should not be eating the peanuts, putting it back on the counter. [00:54:51] Speaker A: What is it Leaves the bunny. Chris. [00:54:57] Speaker C: No, this is the thing I feel most passionate about in this movie. [00:55:00] Speaker A: Well, okay, so Chris, what was. What was. We kind of went with your history a little bit. So I don't think you have like, like a specific part three history. So what was your experience like watching it this time? [00:55:14] Speaker C: Oh, I mean, it's definitely. It's weird. This is such a. I forget how weird a film this is. [00:55:25] Speaker A: It is. It is when you don't have the 3D aspects, so. [00:55:28] Speaker C: Well, that's a whole nother thing. And it's like almost especially, I feel like seeing so much parody and satire of this era of like making 3D films and seeing like, you know, SNL or SE. Yeah. All the old comedy shows making fun of it, which really is identifiable in a watch of this. So, I mean, like half of the 3D stuff coming at you is so silly looking. But no, just like the whole like, I guess, and I know that this is a big debate thing, but the whole like, I guess they're hinting at sexual assault. [00:56:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:05] Speaker C: Between Jason. Yeah. But then like, it's so weird. Like, why would that happen? Like, that's so untrue of the character. [00:56:15] Speaker A: I think that was a short and wanted. Well, a writer Came in, wanted to, like, heighten the stakes of things. And interestingly enough, the actress who plays Chris, Dana Kimmel, she was like. She made them. It's amazing she had the power to do this. She was like, no, I'm not getting raped by Jason. [00:56:40] Speaker C: It's weird. [00:56:41] Speaker A: It is weird. And I. I don't think it's the. Like, you definitely like Jason as this sort of asexual. [00:56:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:50] Speaker A: Avenger of his mother. [00:56:52] Speaker B: Right. [00:56:52] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Like, when you, like. It's just so. It's so. It's such a. Yeah. Chris. It's such a weird. And, like, Rick's reaction to her telling him this is very weird because he's just. He just wants to get laid. [00:57:07] Speaker C: Yep. The, like, the, like the. I forgot about the, like, clear ripoff Cheech and Chong characters. [00:57:14] Speaker A: Yep. [00:57:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:57:16] Speaker C: Looking at the fan, the fact that just like. [00:57:18] Speaker A: More. [00:57:19] Speaker C: More. [00:57:19] Speaker A: Chong. Right. Cheech isn't really represented within the Chili and Chuck. [00:57:25] Speaker C: Chuck, yeah. [00:57:26] Speaker A: Dynamic Chuck just looks like. [00:57:29] Speaker C: I mean, they're doing the same level of effort. You know what I mean? Like, I think that, like, the. Not. Sorry. Not. Same as Cheech and Chong. I'm saying they're trying to do a level of effort that's not surprising of, like, they see those characters and they're like, oh, we'll just do a stereotype of it. Like, that's the kind of level of intelligence. No attempt at, like, you know, mimicking or satirizing or doing anything. Just like. [00:57:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:57:53] Speaker C: Straight copycat. And it's there and then nothing beyond it. You know what I mean? Like, even to, like. I forgot what's her name? Yeah, kinda. I don't even. Yeah. I mean, I don't even know any character. Might even be too strong a credit to the. [00:58:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:10] Speaker C: I. The whole, like, even, like, what's her name being pregnant. Like, that whole thing thrown in there. [00:58:15] Speaker A: Debbie. [00:58:17] Speaker C: So much weird stuff in this film, man. [00:58:21] Speaker A: It's like. Like good. [00:58:22] Speaker B: I. [00:58:23] Speaker A: Some of them good ideas, not quite flesh. [00:58:25] Speaker C: If you would explore it and maybe make it into somewhat of a plot. Sure. Yeah. But no attempt. Why the gang? Why the gang, too? Why is there. Why is there a gang? I have a middle of this spot. [00:58:40] Speaker B: The gang makes sense. [00:58:42] Speaker C: Okay. Not for this place. [00:58:44] Speaker A: Not for this place. And the way. The way. Okay, so here's my. [00:58:49] Speaker B: Trying to earn more patches. Fox is like. I mean, arguably the best actress in the whole film. [00:58:55] Speaker C: Well, that is fair. That is. That's true. I would agree. [00:58:58] Speaker B: Go ahead, go ahead. [00:59:00] Speaker A: So this is the, like, the lamest biker Gang of all time. You would think, based off of what they did, that they would bare minimum, rob the cabin and steal the van, not just siphon the gas to get. [00:59:14] Speaker C: Yeah. After everything that just happened. [00:59:17] Speaker A: So my theory is, like, real quick. [00:59:20] Speaker C: They start at the most extreme, and then through the course of their existence, they just get more weaker. [00:59:25] Speaker B: More mild. Yeah, weaker. [00:59:29] Speaker C: It's reverse of how it should be. [00:59:31] Speaker A: Okay, so here, here's. Here's my theory that sort of explains this, is that Ali, Fox and Loco are local. Are. Are local community theater actors who have. [00:59:44] Speaker B: Been. [00:59:49] Speaker A: Either independent film or a local production of something. And they. Because there is no. They are so misguided in, like, how bikers should be the first scene. Kind of. You get it right. They're dangerous and, like, everything makes sense, but everything they do after that makes no sense. And also, they all have different symbols on the back of their vests or jacket, which is like, you have the same symbol because you're in a gang together, you know? And it's just like, okay, we're gonna get even with these guys by siphoning. [01:00:22] Speaker C: Their gas and making sure we're not seeing. [01:00:26] Speaker B: I. I have an alternative theory because. Because of the year. Okay, the year is 1982, correct? [01:00:33] Speaker A: Yes. [01:00:34] Speaker B: So this was the year of the music video Beat It. And I predict. Or. Oh, no, sorry, not the music video, but definitely the song Beat it came out in 1982. So my prediction is. Is that they were coming back from an audition for the Beat it music video, and on their way back, they had to stop for gas and they were just having to still be in their Beat it outfits. [01:00:56] Speaker A: So similar to my. [01:00:58] Speaker B: The difference is that you think they were like. No, but my. Mine's an audition for the Beat it song. [01:01:03] Speaker C: Yankees has Michael Jackson in yours. [01:01:05] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And mine also, the outfits are a little bit better. [01:01:10] Speaker A: Actors. They're just actors. [01:01:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But might explain the outfit a little bit better because I think that if you're in the regional theater doing a gang, that's not the. That's not how you're going. [01:01:21] Speaker A: They're doing like an independent film or something, and they're like, doing research is my thing. And they're like, oh, you know, we gotta like, steal their gas to get even. [01:01:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:30] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Like, that's such a, like, lame. Like, like, it's like, that's not going to cover the cost of repairing your motorcycle. [01:01:39] Speaker C: Yeah, well, how badly damaged was the motorcycle? [01:01:43] Speaker A: He. Shelly runs over. [01:01:45] Speaker B: Like, it's like completely destroys that wheel. Well, Bug. [01:01:49] Speaker C: That thing weighs like 50 pounds. [01:01:52] Speaker A: No, you, you see, you see it. It. That'll minimum. [01:01:56] Speaker B: He ruins all these bikes. [01:01:57] Speaker A: At minimum. That's front tire replacement. And probably you're gonna need to replace like the, the fork that holds the tire. It's probably better just enough. [01:02:07] Speaker C: Classic fork, broken fork. [01:02:09] Speaker B: So I got, I mean, so I. [01:02:11] Speaker A: When I lived in Chicago, I rode my bike everywhere and I got hit by a priest. And not. [01:02:18] Speaker C: Not motorbike. [01:02:19] Speaker B: To clarify, let's make it very clear. [01:02:23] Speaker C: You had a yellow banana seat on either door. [01:02:28] Speaker B: It was actually a tricycle. It was actually a tricycle. [01:02:32] Speaker A: Want to lose my balance. And I got hit by a car. And it turned out it was a priest and I had to calm him down. And then I was like, don't worry about it. And then like a week later, my tire blew out and I discovered that the priest had bent the frame just slightly enough to where the tire was rubbing up against the frame. And eventually the tire blew out and I needed to like replace it. So it's, it's, it's like you're right, the bug doesn't weigh a lot. But like I imagine like, especially back then, I mean, you're looking at, I, I don't know, at least a few hundred dollars worth of, of repairs. [01:03:08] Speaker B: But a few dollars compared to a few hundred dollars worth of windshields? [01:03:12] Speaker C: Yeah. To driver's time. [01:03:15] Speaker B: It feels like there's a bit of a trade off there. [01:03:18] Speaker A: Nah, I think if you're a biker, you're robbing them. That's all. You know what I mean? [01:03:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:25] Speaker C: If you're part of the three person inner race gender coalition motorcycle gang that's in. [01:03:32] Speaker B: Again, I say these are. Again, these are people driving to Chicago from New York City after auditioning for Beat it and they stop off for some gas. [01:03:42] Speaker A: They didn't make the cut. [01:03:43] Speaker B: They were too nice. [01:03:48] Speaker A: Would it surprise you guys to know that this movie is the most Profitable Friday the 13th in the franchise? I actually read and that it dethroned E.T. as the number one. [01:04:02] Speaker B: Number one movie? Yeah. It does not surprise me. [01:04:08] Speaker C: I think it's interesting too. If you look at the. I don't know if you saw the same thing that I did, Michelangelo, but like, there's quite the list of like horror films that came out that year too. [01:04:17] Speaker A: Like 82 was a big year. [01:04:19] Speaker C: Yeah. That's just crazy thing. Like it was the most profitable in that regard too. Probably is vice versa. All these amazing films from. [01:04:25] Speaker A: When did the thing come out? [01:04:26] Speaker C: It's that year. [01:04:27] Speaker A: It's that year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:04:29] Speaker C: The thing came out. Yeah, yeah. You know, in effect that's, that's still. [01:04:35] Speaker B: Who wants a creepy alien when you get a nice one? Yeah, it really hurts. Yeah. [01:04:40] Speaker A: And then, you know, you know, these aliens. There's a guy in a hockey mask killing kid teenagers. Let's. [01:04:46] Speaker B: But, but the hockey mask is, is a brilliant thing to introduce to the franchise because it works so well. It works so well and it becomes so easily available to other people to scare each other's friends. You know, it's like that's one of the things where I talk about it being the ipod touch. It's that it wasn't that. It become. No, hear me out. It wasn't that. It was like, I, I actually don't think the ipod touch. I don't think the ipod touch is that groundbreaking in many ways. [01:05:12] Speaker C: Right. [01:05:12] Speaker B: We were build. [01:05:14] Speaker C: Which one's the Nano? [01:05:18] Speaker B: It's not the Nano. It's the ipod touch, which becomes the Nano. Yeah, good call, good call. But, but they all sudden took a franchise that, that did look similar to like a madman or a burning or many other copycats and said, no, here's our staple. Look, here's our staple thing. You can all participate in this. It's easy, low hanging fruit to go buy one masks. And it was like done. It really is the mask that's kept the thing going for as long as it has. It's, you know, it's, it's what makes it last longer than, than many other great horror films that could have been franchises. [01:06:02] Speaker C: I 100% agree with you. But at the same time too, I much prefer a, a sack over the head with an eye because it is hilarious looking. [01:06:12] Speaker A: It's not only it's, it's hilarious, but at the same time terrifying. Fine. I think like, so I. The first time I did shrooms was with Chris and his roommate had just purchased a, A sack mask. [01:06:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:31] Speaker A: Very similar to Jason in Part two. And I'm like, I'm like peeking on mushrooms. And we come inside, we were outside. I was fine when I was outside. But we come inside, I'm like, I'm gonna. If we go inside, I'm gonna, it's gonna turn on me. And it did. And his roommate, I remember his roommate sitting on the couch with the sack on his head and like, I'm like, hey man, like, take that off. Like, I know you're messing with me right now, but it is, it's working. And you know, please take it off. [01:07:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I remember that thought about that yeah, he also. [01:07:09] Speaker A: He also had a. A calendar with pandas on it that was from, like, Chinese restaurant, Asian takeout. [01:07:16] Speaker C: Calendar that had, like, you know, pandas. You're freaked out by the. [01:07:21] Speaker A: I. I had to sit in a box. I was like. I sat in a box and I was like. I kept making Chris bring me pints of water to drink. Thank you for helping me. It was great. I had. That was a great night. I just had this, like, you know, it was anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour where I was scared. [01:07:44] Speaker C: Mickey, you might get a kick out of this. Then we were walking around neighborhood, and I was. At the time, I was living near the school that was, like, next to some woods. [01:07:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:52] Speaker C: And Michelangelo, high on mushrooms, went, like, running into the woods and, like, walking across. Yeah. Shirtless. And I'm walking, like, across this, like, back of this, like, park, and there's this, like, young couple that's like. I don't know, they're like 16 year olds or 17. Teenagers. [01:08:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:08] Speaker C: We're in our, I don't know, early 20s or whatever, and Michelangelo just comes running out of the woods, full sprint, shirtless. And this couple just books it like from a horror movie. Just like, oh, this. Something bad's gonna happen here. [01:08:23] Speaker B: He wasn't covered in. [01:08:24] Speaker C: Walking towards me. This guy comes screaming out of the woods with a shirt on. [01:08:29] Speaker B: He wasn't covering pudding, was he? Oh, thank God. [01:08:35] Speaker A: I. I remember the look on their faces, these poor kids. Kids. It was like, got a dead man walking. You know what I mean? It was. And there was a moon out that night, so the only light was moonlight. And it was. [01:08:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:08:48] Speaker A: I'm just like. I'm like, Kane hotter. Like. [01:08:51] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I don't know about Kane Hotter, buddy. [01:08:57] Speaker A: Breathing, movement. [01:08:58] Speaker B: Gotcha. Gotcha. [01:09:00] Speaker C: Third of Kane Hodder. [01:09:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:09:02] Speaker A: I was like, Kane Hotter's penis. [01:09:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, right. Just throbbing. [01:09:07] Speaker A: So, Chris, you were saying a. Harold. Yeah. He's. He's eating the peanuts. He's drinking the Sunny Beans. [01:09:13] Speaker C: What the hell is this? What the Is this guy's problem? [01:09:19] Speaker A: He's eating the fish food. Yeah, that's. Yeah, there's an idea there. [01:09:26] Speaker C: He ate peanuts. He ate a chocolate donut. He opened up the Sunny D, the. [01:09:30] Speaker A: Unlabeled Sunny D. He ate the fish food. He's on a diet. That's what you do when you're on a diet. [01:09:37] Speaker C: And then he gets the literal scared out of him. [01:09:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, and those. Those. Those noises were so very aggressive. [01:09:46] Speaker A: Shitty. [01:09:48] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, that was like Diary. Yeah, yeah. It's like the sound design on the diarrhea was. It's like. I feel like it was in like a. Like a comedy or something. You know, it was like they really wanted. You feel the. [01:10:03] Speaker C: Yeah, very Jeff Daniel's dumb and Dumber cell diarrhea. [01:10:07] Speaker B: Dumber bridesmaids. Yeah. [01:10:10] Speaker A: By the way, the outhouse having the crescent moon. I looked into this to try to find out where that comes from. [01:10:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:18] Speaker A: And what I discovered was there's a lot of misinformation about, like, well, the crescent moon had to do with moon cycles, so that was like a women's. And then the men's were supposed to be suns and stars and there's like, all this stuff out there. But, like, then I found something a little more legitimate and it was like. Actually, the images we associate with the outhouse is from films, and we don't have any historical evidence proving, like, why there would be a cr. Other than ventilation. Right. Like, what. These images seem to stem from movies. And, like, there's nothing tying it to. Anyways, I went, like, on, like a. Like a deep dive on that. [01:11:03] Speaker B: Good use of your time. [01:11:04] Speaker A: Good use of my time. But then it's. It's 16 minutes into the movie. We finally are introduced to our. Some of our characters. Right? We get introduced to Chris, Andy, Debbie, Shelly. We meet Vera and her disapproving mother, Mrs. Sanchez. I love Vera. She's great. Yeah, I. I gotta say, I really, like. I love Chris in this. [01:11:37] Speaker B: I think, like, should have been the final girl. [01:11:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. She's got the. Like, she's. She has a lot of qualities. It's. It's like they should have combined Chris and Vera into one character, in my opinion, because Rick sucks. And the fact that Chris likes Rick is very, I think, very realistic. Because it's always. It's like the girl you like, like, tends to like a douchebag. Rick is. I was so happy to see Rick's head get squeezed into oblivion by Jason. Like, Jason is a nicer guy than Rick in this. Rick sucks. Right. And of course, I don't mean anything against Paul. Yeah, Rick, this all pertains to the characters. [01:12:24] Speaker C: Why are you so. Why do you think he's the worst, let's say, the worst male character in the film. [01:12:31] Speaker A: It's. [01:12:32] Speaker C: It's. [01:12:32] Speaker A: I mean, it's. It's. It. He's in running with Shelley. But. But Rick is just like, hey, like. Like, he's kind of doing this thing and, you know, I'm sure it's meant to be, like, charming. And jokey. But like, hey, I could be with this one chick, but I decided to be with you. Yeah. [01:12:51] Speaker B: I came here to be with you. You're going through trauma. You're going through trauma. [01:12:56] Speaker A: I'm here yet. Right. He doesn't know this yet. Right. So. [01:12:59] Speaker B: So he's like, yeah, well I want. [01:13:02] Speaker A: To for an hour in the morning and I want to for two hours at night. Night. Right. And then she takes him away and she tells him, hey, I think I got raped. I don't know what happened. But like something awful happened. And he's still like, he. He doesn't ask any follow up questions that would make sense. [01:13:25] Speaker C: There's no follow up to that. The incredibly unusual story. [01:13:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You'd be like, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait a second. You just woke up in your bed. So. Yeah, like. And he doesn't even ask. So do you think was all a. [01:13:38] Speaker C: Dream and your mom hit you, which spurned your runaway. You were accosted by a very strange looking person. Then you woke up in your bed. And then she says something like. And my parents would never talk to me about it again. Why would her parents have anything like they. Why. How would they be knowledgeable on any of this? [01:13:56] Speaker B: Yeah, like what. [01:13:57] Speaker C: What is being said here exactly? [01:13:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:00] Speaker A: At that point, so odd. At that point, don't you think you'd be like, okay, so something really bad happened to her. Whether. Whether this is real or not, something awful happened to her in this place. [01:14:15] Speaker B: That we are in right now. [01:14:16] Speaker A: Yeah. In Higgins Haven. Right. So she's come back to Higgins. Have I always think it's yours. You know, you're dealing with rich white people when they've named some places. [01:14:29] Speaker C: Yeah, right. [01:14:30] Speaker A: It's not just my vacation home. It has a name. Higgins Haven. It's just like, okay, like, okay, she's. She's come back here to face her demons. So I'm either a part of supporting this journey for her or I come up with an excuse and go, you know, meet up with the chick I mentioned earlier who's like dtf, Right. Because it's like, it's like off the table at this point, basically. Unless she reach. Unless I help her reach a catharsis. And then she's like. Then she becomes horny and then we can have sex. [01:15:12] Speaker C: What if you use the powers of your cable knit sweater to the fear out of her? [01:15:20] Speaker A: Okay, that's. We're gonna cut that from the episode. [01:15:23] Speaker B: Problematic. Problematic. That was a real. Okay, who do you think? Thanks. [01:15:29] Speaker A: Alfred or Shelley? Shelly. [01:15:31] Speaker C: Shelly. [01:15:35] Speaker A: Vera is so patient and so cool with him. And the fact that he's like, you know what? He's an incel. Right? [01:15:43] Speaker C: Like, it, it's. Yes. And the fact that like, well, he's got such this like, poor, pitiful me bullshit. He, he clearly is making himself into the bad guy of the group. Group. He has no social awareness. He has a chance with Vera if he's just a normal human being. [01:16:04] Speaker B: He does not have a chance. [01:16:07] Speaker A: He opens the wallet, he sees a picture of him with his mom. He's like, oh, he's a nice, he's a nice guy. [01:16:14] Speaker B: Oh, because she was nice once, that means he has a chance with her. I think he's a chance to be friends with her. No, Vera is so far out of his league that the, none of those friends should have thought that there was anything that was going to happen with that particular setup. And honestly, Shelly should have known better too. But he was probably brought up by guys like Rick were like, yeah, you're one of the bros. You can get it. You can nail it. I actually think that Shelly's a little bit of a victim of circumstance. [01:16:42] Speaker A: Oh, boy. Oh, boy. [01:16:44] Speaker B: I think that Shelly's a victim of toxic masculinity. And the boys that are around him that have not straightened them out and been like, Shelly, you are not one of them. Us. You do not. [01:16:54] Speaker C: They need to beat him to beat toxic masculinity. [01:16:57] Speaker B: No, what they know, what they need to explain to him is that toxic masculinity works when you're devilishly goodlook and girls for some reason throw themselves at you still. And no, Shelley, you cannot be that behavior and still expect the same things from these females. And I'm not, I mean, I'm being very 1982 about this. I realize that today these things. But seriously, in 1982, it is a trope in these films that those guys get the girls. I don't know what it is about them, but get pretty girl looking people get away with. [01:17:27] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. Like, I've seen guys who look like Shelley, like, who have charisma, like, get attractive women. [01:17:37] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:17:38] Speaker C: A.B. [01:17:39] Speaker A: You know what I mean? [01:17:40] Speaker C: Like, there's a lot of ugly men with very beautiful women in the ugly. [01:17:46] Speaker A: Non conventional ugly men. [01:17:50] Speaker C: These very beautiful women out there not. [01:17:52] Speaker A: Say, I'm not saying that, but like, like I, I, I, I, I think if you have, if you, if you're funny, you have the charisma. But here's, here's, here's the, here's here's an Important thing is, like, the guys who look like Shelley, right? They have to be funny. They have to be charming. And they. They gotta. They gotta, like, hang on. You know what I'm saying? [01:18:17] Speaker B: Like, it's not just Riz. They gotta have. The bit is. [01:18:22] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:18:26] Speaker C: Just r. They've had. I don't even know what I'm laughing at, really. I. I know what you're saying. [01:18:44] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like, yeah, we. We agree with you. We're saying, like, you know, you can't just. Just be like, yeah, yeah. [01:18:51] Speaker A: So if. Hell, if Shelly hangs dong. If he's got. He's got. If he not only has the Riz, but the biz, like, and he just. And he just like, hey, you know what? I. With these bikers. I got a Velcro Wallace. [01:19:06] Speaker C: Sweet. Velcro launcher. [01:19:09] Speaker A: That's enough to like. To like. I don't know about this guy. [01:19:13] Speaker B: He's got a velvet vel wall and jumping out in, like, a diving suit with the ski mask. Mask. [01:19:19] Speaker C: Like, oh, yeah, that's right. He brought out. Yeah, a diving suit. Also, too, though, is wearing two tones of red in her pants. She looks great. [01:19:29] Speaker A: You. She looks great. Wait a second. Are you. [01:19:34] Speaker B: Are you saying that Vera's choice of wardrobe is as bad as Shelly's? [01:19:40] Speaker C: No, but it's pretty clashy. [01:19:43] Speaker A: I think it's great. [01:19:44] Speaker B: Is it? Chris's claws are coming out on this one, guys. [01:19:46] Speaker A: Oh, man. Yeah. Fashion corner with. [01:19:50] Speaker B: Well, let's. Let's go ahead. Please explain to us RuPaul. [01:19:54] Speaker C: What. [01:19:54] Speaker B: What is wrong with the outfit? [01:19:56] Speaker C: It's two of the same color, slight tone. [01:19:59] Speaker A: Wow. [01:20:01] Speaker B: Wow. [01:20:02] Speaker A: I guess you. You appreciate the red tone in her, like, wedged sandals she was wearing, either, you know? [01:20:11] Speaker C: I did not look at her feet. I'm so sorry. [01:20:14] Speaker A: I was so sweet. [01:20:15] Speaker B: You were glued to it. He was glued. You didn't even notice the other tones. [01:20:18] Speaker A: He's only looking at with the hammocks, by the way. Okay, so. Hammocks. [01:20:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:20:24] Speaker A: Would you be at that age? Not. Not the age or now, but like, in your 20s, you go to the cabin, like, oh, yeah, you're sleeping in a hammock. Do you go. [01:20:34] Speaker C: I would be pretty pissed. [01:20:35] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. Okay. Mickey. [01:20:39] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't mind a hammock. [01:20:41] Speaker A: I don't mind. [01:20:42] Speaker C: For a nap, but for, like, sleeping a whole night. I don't know, man. [01:20:46] Speaker A: I don't. [01:20:47] Speaker B: I don't mind. I don't. I don't. I wouldn't mind it. I mean, a good Comfortable hammock. Like, it's not bad. [01:20:53] Speaker A: I got a buddy when I was living in Chicago. I, like, went over to a house party and my. And like, there was a hammock in the corner of the living room. And I was like, what's that? I was like, oh, that's Blah, blah, Blah's bedroom. And I was like, what? He like, I don't know how long he lived this way, but he lived in the corner of the living room in Chicago and his bed was the hammock. And I was like, wild. Yeah, that works. Like, I, I like. Ali likes to camp. I like camping as a result of being with her for as long as I have. But I'm a strong believer in, like, the tent, all that stuff. Like, I, I think tent hammock is the way to go. [01:21:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:37] Speaker A: You know what I mean? It's like way less equipment, you know, anyways. [01:21:41] Speaker B: Well, I mean, I mean, being off the ground gets you out of the bugs, get you out a lot of, like, stuff. And I will tell you, I've been in hammocks where the minute I lay down in them, if there's. If you've got a pillow and you've got some like, little bit of like, you know, cover or something like that, it's, it's about as comfortable as you can get. [01:21:58] Speaker A: Now, Mickey, as a military man, you've probably done your fair share of sleeping on the ground, am I correct? Sure. Do you. On, on any of your training or actual work time, did you find yourself sleeping in a hammock? [01:22:18] Speaker B: In a hammock? No. I mean, a hammock is like, it takes time to set up. It's kind of luxury. You're, you're. You've got like, what is essentially a yoga mat rolled up in a little pack and you're laying that thing down and getting into your. If it's, if it's cold, you're in your mummy sack. If it's not cold, you're in your, like, summer little, like, sleeping bag and you're in that thing and that's it. And you might have a pup tent, but you may not even have like a cover, honestly. [01:22:46] Speaker A: Interesting. So are you aware that, like, they sell for, for a while now, they sell like, hammocks that like, fit into like a little, little bitty pouches? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:22:59] Speaker B: But you have to have three points for those. I think it's three points. It might be two. [01:23:02] Speaker A: Two points. It might be two points. [01:23:04] Speaker B: But, but you're, you're not guaranteed that if you're like. Like, you know, true. [01:23:08] Speaker A: Especially desert. [01:23:09] Speaker B: Yeah. That's a lot of what we do is. Is, you know, desert warfare. Or at least when I was, you know, active in that particular. [01:23:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:16] Speaker B: You know, thing. Also, mosquito nets. They give you. They. They, like. You will find ways if you have to hang one and any. You will find ways to put up mosquito nets if you're laying on the ground, because even though you can still get little creepy col. On the ground with you, I. I have. I have woken up with a camel spider on my chest. Holy. [01:23:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:23:41] Speaker A: Holy. [01:23:42] Speaker B: Yeah, that. Yeah. But. But you want to keep mosquito nets around because just all those little, like, bugs are the worst. It's like death by a thousand cuts, you know, versus. Yeah. [01:23:55] Speaker A: I get. I can't believe I haven't mentioned yet, but, like, Debbie. [01:24:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:01] Speaker A: Reading Fangoria magazine. [01:24:03] Speaker B: That's the Pittsburgh Shout Out. That's the Pittsburgh Shout out right there. [01:24:07] Speaker A: Which, by the way, Red Tower. If you go to fangoria.com and you type in Red Tower at checkout, you get 20% off your entire purchase. [01:24:22] Speaker B: 20. [01:24:22] Speaker A: 20. Significant saving. Yes. [01:24:28] Speaker C: How significant? [01:24:30] Speaker A: 20. [01:24:32] Speaker C: That's pretty significant. [01:24:33] Speaker B: 20. We kind of said it. Yeah. [01:24:36] Speaker A: Just in case. That's if this discount was a character in the film. [01:24:42] Speaker C: Huh? Yeah. Which. Yeah. What. What discount? [01:24:45] Speaker A: It'd be Andy. [01:24:46] Speaker C: Oh, that's so nice. [01:24:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:24:50] Speaker C: How about you to eat weed and drink the beer? [01:24:53] Speaker B: No, because 20 of him got sliced in half. [01:25:00] Speaker A: I like the way you said sliced. That's awesome, dude. I love it. What do we think about Ali's triumphant return in the final act? [01:25:14] Speaker B: How the hell did that even occur? It's like he was so, so bludgeoned with. With. With a hatchet. It's like, how. How. And he comes back. He looks pretty good. When he comes back, he's, like, very ready to fight. [01:25:28] Speaker A: Well, that's what movies is like movies, by the way. It's like you get stabbed, you get your head trauma. You. You. You get shot, you can come back. And, like, I will tell you, like, I have a person who I've. I've had my fingertip cut off. I've. I went. I. Like, I've had a piece of glass. I was on a run. My most recent injury. I was on a run. Run, and I hit a broken bottle on my foot. It stabbed me in the foot. I thought I was going to be fine, and just blood just came rushing out of my body. And all of a sudden I was like, I need to call an ambulance, because I'm outside, it's hot. My. My heart is thumping because I was running. And, like, I've just lost all this blood. And, like, your body has an involuntary reaction. Doesn't matter how badass you think you are. It's like, if you lose enough blood, blood, you can't walk. You can't think properly anyways. [01:26:23] Speaker B: But, yeah, you go into shock. [01:26:25] Speaker C: I do. I didn't like Ali yelling, I need to die to protect this white woman. I thought that was really. [01:26:32] Speaker B: I believe it's Ali. But, yeah, Ali. [01:26:37] Speaker A: That was the only false statement of what you just said, Chris. Is that good? It's Ali. Not Ali. Ali. Ali. [01:26:44] Speaker B: Like O, L, L, I, E. Like Muhammad Ali. [01:26:50] Speaker C: Ali. [01:26:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:54] Speaker A: Ali. [01:26:55] Speaker B: Ali. [01:26:56] Speaker C: Ali. [01:26:57] Speaker A: Ali. Ali. Ali. [01:27:00] Speaker C: Ali. [01:27:01] Speaker A: Ali. [01:27:01] Speaker B: Ali. [01:27:02] Speaker C: Ali. [01:27:06] Speaker A: This is a YouTube exclusive, so obviously we'll be working in images of the character. Ali. Muhammad Ali. And if Ali will let me. Alice. [01:27:25] Speaker B: How about the fact that Chris, like, has, like, the upper body strength to, like, put that ax through mask and skull? I thought that was. Have you swung an ax, right? You put an axe into. [01:27:35] Speaker A: On top of hanging him. Him. I think more impressively, she hangs him there. [01:27:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. [01:27:40] Speaker A: You know, right before that. [01:27:42] Speaker C: I'm that hard to swing an ax into a head. [01:27:45] Speaker B: You don't think so? I feel like they're kind of built. [01:27:49] Speaker A: For that, aren't they? If you can get it over your head, gravity does a lot of the work. [01:27:53] Speaker B: But. But that. That wasn't like a mall. That was like a. That was like just a traditional ax. I mean, you're. You gotta have some dry wood to split pretty easily with that axe. I think if. You know, I don't think of a skull as dry wood. I think of more like a wood. It's like. It's a little bit more like. It's gonna be tough. It's gonna be. You have that hard exterior, heads and. [01:28:14] Speaker A: Woods and wet, like. [01:28:16] Speaker C: Like an oak, maybe that's been sitting in the rain for a day. [01:28:20] Speaker B: Would you say it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough to, like, really, like, get that thing in there. I don't know. [01:28:26] Speaker A: It's a woman drywood. I cannot. It doesn't work. But wet wood, she also has. [01:28:33] Speaker C: I mean, like, you know, know her. Her blood would be pumping. You know what I mean? She's in a. Yeah. [01:28:38] Speaker B: Adrenaline. Adrenaline's kicked in. And she's like, yeah, for sure. [01:28:41] Speaker A: If it's not kicked in, it's like, what's. What's going on? [01:28:47] Speaker B: What's wrong with her? Yeah. [01:28:50] Speaker C: Fight. And also, too, with your. Your you know, someone that has violated you in the past you can get revenge on. [01:28:59] Speaker A: Do you know. You know what. You know what I say, like, is the fix for the characters in this. If you bring Vera's mom into the mix, Mrs. Sanchez, if she's at. If she's. If she's at the lake, she takes Jason out. [01:29:15] Speaker B: Yeah, Jason. [01:29:16] Speaker A: She's not done with anything. [01:29:17] Speaker B: Jason doesn't make it. Yeah, go, go. [01:29:19] Speaker A: Let's talk about the lake. [01:29:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:29:23] Speaker A: Is it a lake? [01:29:25] Speaker C: Doesn't look like it. I mean, I guess it kind of does, but it'd be a pretty small lake. Lake, like a little, like, it's a neighborhood lake, you know, as opposed to. [01:29:33] Speaker A: They made the house, they made the lake, and they made the bar. They built that stuff. And the lake is, like, I think at its deepest, is like three or four feet. [01:29:42] Speaker B: Yeah. It doesn't look. [01:29:44] Speaker A: It doesn't. It doesn't look like Camp Crystal Lake is across. It looks. It's a swimming hole. [01:29:50] Speaker C: It's a. It's an HOA Lake. [01:29:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:29:56] Speaker A: Ah, man, it's. That's one of those things where it's like, if you just. If, like, they have found a. I, I. I love the location outside of the lake because it, again, it just looks like. Like a swimming pond. It kind of takes you out of, like, I guess they're in the area where Camp Crystal Lake is, and, like, this is a pond. This is a separate body of water. It doesn't share space. [01:30:23] Speaker C: Camp Crystal Lake runoff. [01:30:25] Speaker B: Yeah, they're. [01:30:26] Speaker A: They're. [01:30:26] Speaker B: They're in the. Yeah, the watershed. They're in there, they're in the camp, but they're not on the lake. This makes sense. [01:30:34] Speaker A: Like that last section. So when she wakes up, right, she does the thing that Adrian King does where she goes out into the water. This is. This is. This is like a thing that makes sense. If you're a fan of the previous films. [01:30:50] Speaker C: I know what they're doing, but, man, it's forced. [01:30:53] Speaker A: You're right. You're right that I'm agreeing with you. [01:30:57] Speaker C: Not enough. [01:31:00] Speaker A: But it. It definitely, like, it's laughable when she sees. First of all, when she sees him, it's terrifying. [01:31:09] Speaker C: I laugh really hard. [01:31:11] Speaker A: It's hilarious and terrifying at the same time. Like, fear and laughter are. Are closely related. And I think this, the scene is a perfect example of that butt. It's like, dude, just get out of the canoe. Get wet. It's fine. You're right there. You're right by the shore. [01:31:27] Speaker C: Jason becomes like a excited, like, Labrador. [01:31:32] Speaker A: Like you owners, when you come into. [01:31:35] Speaker C: The driveway with a giant head wound, like, look out the window, like, what the. [01:31:44] Speaker B: That's good. [01:31:45] Speaker A: That's good. And then. Do we know who plays Pamela Voorhees in this section? [01:31:51] Speaker B: No. [01:31:54] Speaker A: Rob Lowe. [01:31:56] Speaker B: Yes. [01:31:57] Speaker A: That'd be great. Who's Daniel Craig, actually? [01:32:01] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:32:03] Speaker A: He was friends with J.J. abrams. Marilyn Poucher, who was the second assistant director actor on this. [01:32:12] Speaker B: There you go. [01:32:13] Speaker C: Cool. [01:32:17] Speaker A: It's fun. [01:32:18] Speaker B: Yeah, sure. [01:32:20] Speaker A: Go yourself. Oh, yourself. [01:32:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:32:25] Speaker B: Wait for that to come out. [01:32:27] Speaker A: We gotta have a listener. We're gonna have a lot more Molly episodes coming up. [01:32:33] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:32:40] Speaker A: So what do we think of the ending, guys? Does the last act work for you? Does the button work for you? What do you. What. What do you think happens to Chris? [01:32:55] Speaker B: Oh, Chris has joined another long line of females who are now rushed to the hospital and become crazy because of the events of Camp Crystal Lake. Jenny. [01:33:04] Speaker A: She's hanging out with Jenny. [01:33:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. There actually could be an interesting movie, right. Like. Like, it just takes place right prior to Part four, and it's like, Jenny and Chris in a hospital. Lucy's just been killed. They're having to figure out, you know, that could be an interesting movie. Yeah. [01:33:26] Speaker A: Just to go on that idea. Grady Hendrix wrote a book that Adrian King narrates called the Final Girl Support Group Group, which I have not read, but it kind of elaborates on that idea of final, final girls, like, what happens to them after. [01:33:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You know, dealing with the aftermath of that, you know, horrific trauma. Yeah. So, yeah, that's what happens. And does the ending work for me as a Friday 13th? Yeah, it does. This is like. Like I said, this movie's in my top five of the F13 series, which is better than half. So, I mean, I. Yeah, I like the film. I'm not gonna find reasons to. I nitpick a little bit about, like, her being able to swing the ax in his head, but that's that. Come on, man. It's Friday 13th. These are not to be taken seriously. [01:34:24] Speaker A: That's the problem. [01:34:24] Speaker B: But a woman can't swing an ax that hard. [01:34:27] Speaker C: How about the fact that Jason goes from just popping heads to suddenly he can't get a grip on her at all? [01:34:37] Speaker A: Hey, man, she's wily. It's like the books. Literature is what destroys Jason. She knocks the books on him, and it throws him off his axis. [01:34:47] Speaker C: Yeah, maybe he's got concussion that you didn't know at the time or. [01:34:52] Speaker B: Or that he can split Andy from, like, butts to nuts so easily, but, like, he can't hatch it into, like, Ali enough to actually get rid of him. It's like Ali, like, still good to come back there. I mean, let's. We could nitpick it all day, but it's. [01:35:05] Speaker A: It. [01:35:05] Speaker B: It. This is what is fun of the F13 series. [01:35:08] Speaker A: Jason in this film is very much a. Like, it's. I think Richard Broker is ch. Channeling like serial killers. You know what I mean? Where it's like this idea that, like, they have this, like, fury of emotion and like the. They kill and then they're empty and it's just like, let me go to the next thing. Let me find meaning. Let me find the chase. I don't know. That's. That's what I see from Richard Broker's performance, which I love. And by the way, another image of Deathstalker. [01:35:56] Speaker B: Right here. [01:35:58] Speaker A: This is a totally non homoerotic image from Deathstalker. It's not homoerotic at all. Pride, Jason. This is our pride. By the way, I think that this song is known as fry gay the 13th. [01:36:24] Speaker B: Okay. [01:36:25] Speaker A: Because of it. Really? Yeah, because, you know, the whole homophobic movement against disco. [01:36:33] Speaker C: Oh, that's dumb. [01:36:36] Speaker A: Yeah, it is dumb. Like most things that are homophobic, like everything that is homophobic. [01:36:42] Speaker B: I mean, it's. [01:36:42] Speaker A: It's. [01:36:43] Speaker B: It's a great. It's a great version of the song. It's fun. It's like, immediately you immediately know you're in for a fun movie. Movie. [01:36:50] Speaker C: Actually, real quick, that was one thing too. On a rewatch. How about a little silence? My God. Like, you don't have to have something playing as audio over every moment of this film. It's practically a musical. [01:37:08] Speaker A: They're free. [01:37:09] Speaker C: You know, I gotta say, this is my Sound of Music. [01:37:13] Speaker A: Actually, you know what? If we're gonna. If we're gonna make a Friday the 13th a musical, I think this is a. This is a content. [01:37:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:37:20] Speaker B: Part three. Yeah, I could see that. I could see part seven as well. [01:37:28] Speaker A: Part five. [01:37:31] Speaker B: Part five. Yeah. [01:37:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:37:34] Speaker B: Freddy versus Jason. [01:37:37] Speaker C: With an amazing new metal score. [01:37:45] Speaker A: Okay, so, guys. [01:37:48] Speaker B: Yep. [01:37:49] Speaker C: Yo. [01:37:51] Speaker A: I'm especially curious what Chris has to say about this. Not Chris, the character. Chris. [01:38:02] Speaker C: I was confused. [01:38:06] Speaker A: Who do you recommend this to? Wait a second. Wait a second. Second. Oh, my God, I can't believe this. It's. It's. Oh, my God. I can't believe who just walked into the basement. [01:38:20] Speaker B: Oh, who is it? [01:38:21] Speaker C: Who's in the shadows? [01:38:23] Speaker A: Hey, how's it going, Cropsy? Hey, guys. [01:38:28] Speaker B: Oh, boy. Cropsy, how's it going? [01:38:31] Speaker C: It. [01:38:32] Speaker B: Hey, thanks For. [01:38:34] Speaker C: Thanks for letting me come down. It's good talking to my two pals, my two best friends. [01:38:39] Speaker A: Hey, buddy. It's good to see you. So. [01:38:42] Speaker B: You look great, by the way. Thank you. [01:38:44] Speaker C: Thank you. I've been working out on the side of the building. When I eat, I chase them like chickens from Rocky. [01:38:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:53] Speaker C: One of my favorite movies. [01:38:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it makes sense. It makes sense. One of Michelangelo's favorite two eat two. [01:39:00] Speaker C: Peas in a pod, you and me, buddy. [01:39:02] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. [01:39:04] Speaker A: Yeah. Did you. Did you get it? I left a VHS of Friday the 13th part 3 in 3D. Did you watch it? [01:39:11] Speaker C: Was I. I wasn't supposed to eat that. [01:39:14] Speaker A: You ate it. Oh, my gosh. That's impressive. Good job, buddy. [01:39:19] Speaker C: I'm with you guys. I watched it. What do you think I have a animal? [01:39:22] Speaker B: Your. Your. Your humor gets better. Your humor is getting better. [01:39:26] Speaker C: This guy. Of course I watched it. [01:39:30] Speaker A: What did you think of what was going on there? [01:39:33] Speaker C: That Jason, he makes some very interesting points. [01:39:37] Speaker A: Like what? [01:39:39] Speaker C: Killed the women? [01:39:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Just killing them. Yeah. Okay. [01:39:43] Speaker A: What about killing the men? He also kills the men. [01:39:47] Speaker C: Also a good point. [01:39:55] Speaker B: When I watch a film, I like to identify with some characters in the film. For me, it's based on how I. I thought maybe you see yourself in a character do that. [01:40:08] Speaker C: That's not good for you. [01:40:09] Speaker B: I mean, I'm not a therapist. [01:40:11] Speaker C: You should really not do that. [01:40:15] Speaker B: Oh, getting advice from Cropsy. This is. This is great. [01:40:20] Speaker A: Hey, at least it's not advice from Alfred. Right? [01:40:23] Speaker B: Right. If I had to take advice from one of the other. Take the one who kills his family. [01:40:30] Speaker A: Ah, wait a second. Alfred's down here. Get the out of here. [01:40:35] Speaker B: Oh, no. Did you watch. Did you watch Part three too? Did you also watch the movie I was watching? [01:40:42] Speaker C: Yeah, it was. [01:40:44] Speaker B: Oh, Jesus, he's always watching. Were you watching it while I was. Were you watching it over our shoulders? [01:40:50] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [01:40:52] Speaker A: Did you like Shelley? [01:40:53] Speaker C: Yeah, he was really cool. [01:40:55] Speaker A: Of course you thought he was, you sick pervert. Cropsy, I thought you were gonna take care of this guy. [01:41:04] Speaker C: I keep trying. I keep cutting that guy. Nothing comes out. It's really weird. [01:41:09] Speaker A: It's weird. [01:41:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:11] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [01:41:12] Speaker C: He smiles at me when I do it too. [01:41:14] Speaker A: I think he's getting off on it. Yeah, I think that's what's happening. [01:41:19] Speaker C: I think. I think he's not of the human form, you guys. He might be a demon. [01:41:24] Speaker A: Okay, okay, well, okay, okay, Cropsy. Thank you for coming by. Alfred. Go yourself. Listen to the Burning Episode. If you want to know what we're talking about Chris. Now that, now that they're gone. [01:41:38] Speaker C: Sorry, guys. Sorry. I had to go to the bathroom real quick. [01:41:40] Speaker A: Yeah, thanks, buddy. Who do you, who do you recommend this? Like, who, who comes into the video store and you go, you should see Friday the 13th Part 3. It's a difficult one for you, I know. Because, because you're, you're, you're not in the ballpark of Mickey and I. [01:41:58] Speaker C: No, I mean, I, I think that, you know, it's one of those films. If you want to see a prime example of the 1980s craze of trying to make a 3D film, this would be a good example of that. [01:42:14] Speaker A: This is the example. This is the most profitable, successful example of that. [01:42:18] Speaker C: Yeah. And I mean, it still doesn't look good, but if you want to see what it looks like, I get that I wouldn't really good. [01:42:27] Speaker A: It looks good. The. [01:42:31] Speaker C: Yeah, but no, I mean, there's definitely not a lot of people that I would probably recommend this movie to. I have to say. I. I'm watching it. You know, the one thing that really kind of came through to me on a rewatch of this was like after watching like not too long ago, like My Bloody Valentine and how enjoyable an experience that was. And to me, this was not an enjoyable experience. And like, you know, some of those just other slashers that I think work so much better also too, I kind. [01:43:06] Speaker B: Of had the fun. [01:43:06] Speaker C: I mean, like, I like series horror films. Like, you know, I've always been a fan of Halloween and some of the Freddy's and. But like, really, by and large, I really more prefer one offs, I think where not like, I think, I think when they're not being handcuffed to lore and having to like fit stuff in, like, for instance, you know, a lot of stuff we've talked about already from this film. So I know that's kind of a convoluted answer. It doesn't really much to recommend to, but it would be a hard one for me to recommend this to anyone, I think. [01:43:38] Speaker A: No, I hear you then as a video store clerk work, you're constantly assessing and battling with what you like. What I recommend to this customer is not what I recommend to the other customer. You know what I mean? [01:43:55] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, absolutely. [01:43:59] Speaker B: I have a wildly different view. [01:44:02] Speaker C: Well, of course you like these films. [01:44:04] Speaker B: And not just even liking the films. My thing is, if you were a fan of horror, of horror, that's, that's of the genre, then you know, there are a certain, there are certain iconic figures you're You're Frankenstein, your Dracula, your Jason, your Freddy, your Norman Bates, your Mike, your. Oh, you're your Mike, your. Michael Myers, your. I mean, the Gill man mummy, you know, the werewolf. Anyway, iconic figures. If, if you want to know where this iconic figure came from, it's part three of Friday 13th. So if you're coming in the store, as a horror fan, I'm telling you, you need to watch this film because otherwise you're depriving yourself of understanding where this character is iconic look comes from. So, you know, we can argue the merits of whether or not the film is super enjoyable, but it still possesses a place in history that is unrivaled for launching a major iconic horror character. So for that reason, I say part three is if you walk in the store, you got to watch this film. [01:45:27] Speaker C: Good night. Real quick. So explain that to me. So let's say I'm a big horror fan. Yes, I've seen a few. Friday the 13th saw the first one, but not part three. Yeah, I saw a couple mid tier ones. Let's say, I don't know, let's even say you love seven. I saw six and seven. I saw something like that. [01:45:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:45:47] Speaker C: Why would I need to see this? Like, what adds? Just the fact that he picks the hockey mask up in this one. Like, that's. [01:45:55] Speaker A: Well, it's what I mean. [01:45:57] Speaker C: Like, I guess, like, let me explain that a little bit. Like, how does the actual action of just, just getting the mask in this film leader credence or lead a value? [01:46:06] Speaker B: Well, I would say if you've seen Six of seven and you have any enjoyment of it or you think that, you know, Jason's cool, then I say, you gotta watch 1 and 3. 1 and 3 are crucial parts of the story. 1 is where you get the backstory to Jason and 3 is where you understand where the mask came from. And I understand what you're saying, Chris, and I certainly don't want to, like, say that. [01:46:23] Speaker C: Oh, no, you're good. [01:46:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:46:25] Speaker B: But for me, there's something fun about knowing the origin story of the things that make the thing the thing. So it's like, it's like, you know, there's Rogue One from Star Wars. Right. I didn't know that I wanted that little bitty treat until it came out and I was like, you know what, that was awesome to hear. And that part of the story that I had always been familiar with from the earlier films, but it was, it was like, it was like reaching in on Christmas morning and open up one of those little like, you Know, advent things and you reach in and you got this beautiful, wonderful, like, piece of, you know, chocolate. Chew on that. That's what, you know. If you've liked any of the Jason's, I think three is part of the ones you have to like because this mask is iconic and this film is where the mask comes from. That's just my, that's my opinion. And that's, you know, I mean, all. [01:47:14] Speaker C: Of this is subjective. [01:47:15] Speaker B: All, all of this is subjective. There's no objective thing that says that you. [01:47:19] Speaker A: That was not his opinion. That was someone else's opinion. Let's hear, let's hear real opinion, Mickey. Let's hear it. [01:47:26] Speaker B: My real opinion is, is that Chris shouldn't be allowed down here anymore. [01:47:29] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. You, you're out of the club. [01:47:31] Speaker B: Yeah, you're out. Cropsy's in. [01:47:33] Speaker A: How dare you question. How dare you question. [01:47:36] Speaker B: You know what? Not just Cropsy, Alfred too. I'll take both of them over Chris right now. Wow. [01:47:44] Speaker C: You would let them in over me, your best friend? [01:47:47] Speaker A: Propsy makes sense. But Alfred, we don't like. You say his name, he just shows up. It's disgusting. [01:47:54] Speaker B: As long as he agrees with me. [01:47:58] Speaker A: Alfred, I see, I see you in the corner. Alfred, I see you in the corner. Do you agree with Mickey? [01:48:04] Speaker C: I, I, I think if he's a friend, then yes. [01:48:09] Speaker A: Are you a friend? Oh, God. Are you a Mickey? [01:48:14] Speaker C: Process. Mickey's best friends with Alfred. [01:48:20] Speaker B: I can't, I can't. I'm sorry, Alfred. I, I thought I could. I can't bring Chris back down. I would rather talk to Chris. Get out. You're, you're just creeping me out. Your vibe is weird. [01:48:28] Speaker C: Oh, can we shake hands? [01:48:30] Speaker B: No, you can't touch me. Go, go rub, Go rub Uncle Angela shoulders. I want nothing to do with you. [01:48:35] Speaker A: Out of here. [01:48:36] Speaker C: Okay, okay, okay. [01:48:38] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. So you keep asking him down, you. [01:48:43] Speaker B: Keep complaining about him coming down. [01:48:45] Speaker A: He just shows up and I'm pointing it out. That's all I gotta say. Who do I recommend this to? I mean, I get like F. The F13 series is such a fun thing that I would hate for anyone not to have the full experience. It's not for everyone. And you know, it's not, it's, it's, it's not a. Well, not all the movies are well thought out ideas. They're just, they're cranking out. But I think the third chapter is, is a crucial element in the. Look, look at the Friday the 13th series as like a season of, of a series. You know what I mean? And like, each little movie adds its little Jewish gem. It's got something to contribute. And I think this one is like, why I love it so much is that it's like, listen, you don't. You're not gonna have to think hard on this thing. You know what I mean? You get the mask, you get the introduction of like, like they're toying with the idea of like, yeah, this, this person sucks. Right? There he is. I think this is. Is this the Jason I bought for Mickey? [01:50:19] Speaker B: No, you got me. No, this is part 3D is the one that I got at a comic con, but you got me part seven, which was much more thoughtful gift. So much more thoughtful gift. [01:50:28] Speaker A: Mickey owns three neca. Jason's right. [01:50:30] Speaker B: I, I own two, three and seven and I. Hey, if anybody wants to gift me more, let me know. You can find us on the return slot of Horror podcast on YouTube. I happy to take more of these. [01:50:43] Speaker A: Mickey will take them. Mickey will take them. [01:50:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Give me your neck as sounds like. [01:50:49] Speaker C: Such a weird statement. [01:50:51] Speaker A: Yes, it does. Give me your knickers. I think if you're coming in and you got a slumber party happening, F13 part 3 is a perfect movie for you, especially if you're a 30 year old Shelly coming in, having a slumber party movie. Watch F13 Part 3. Maybe you'll learn something. If Tommy Chung comes into the video store, I recommend part three Offended. No. [01:51:34] Speaker B: Oh, oh, Tommy ch's got good at. [01:51:37] Speaker A: Be like form of flattery, right? That's what they say. Yeah. So at this point in the podcast, it's. This is usually when Mickey says something really beautiful in French. [01:51:54] Speaker B: No, no, no, I, I had a question, I had a question for Chris before we got out of here. All right. We've done a series of summer films. All of them around summer camps, just right out Cropsy, Madman, Mars, Jason or Angela. Who's winning in a. In a free for all summer camp slash a thon. [01:52:23] Speaker C: Well, so wait, you're talking about just the killers in a battle Royale? [01:52:28] Speaker B: No, no, no. First of all, it's a, it's, it's a summer camp full of campers. So. Okay, so it's like they're going around trying to kill as many campers as possible as they can, and they're going to at some point meet each other and have to kill each other. Who's making it out, the final kill? Who's maybe getting the most kills and who maybe is like, I don't know, turned over a new leaf and Decides not to kill because they're like, not like, you know, they're in competition. I don't know. You tell me what, what happens in this particular film? [01:52:59] Speaker C: Okay, I got you. So Angela is definitely the first to go because, I mean, she's just. Are they. They are just. They are just, you know, a human and they're just a 15, 16 year old. You know, of course they're gonna get knocked off real easy. Gotcha Cropsy. I mean, he's a burned victim. He's a human. He's gonna get knocked off shortly after. [01:53:20] Speaker B: Okay. All right. [01:53:21] Speaker C: He does have that, you know, burned alive powers, evidently. And from burning. But that. And then it becomes a battle between Madman Marsh and Jason. And I think that Jason takes Madman Marsh out because Madman Marsh trips over his hobbit feet and Jason to deliver the killing blow. [01:53:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. There you go, ladies and gentlemen. I. I think that's objective. There's no subjectiveness there. That's. Jason wins. [01:53:54] Speaker A: Jason comes out onto top. [01:53:55] Speaker B: Always Jason Voorhees. [01:53:58] Speaker A: The mama boy. The mama's boy. [01:54:01] Speaker C: Is that why you like this film so much? [01:54:04] Speaker A: It's an Oedipus. [01:54:05] Speaker C: It's an Oedipus Rex thing and it makes. Okay, I got you. [01:54:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:54:09] Speaker A: He doesn't. [01:54:09] Speaker B: He. He can't have sex with women, so he has to impale them with sharp objects. Yes. And they all remind him of his mother. [01:54:21] Speaker C: Also, Jason's very easily fooled, so, you know, there's that. [01:54:25] Speaker A: I am easily fooled. I thought Chris was my friend. I invited him out and he insults everything I do. That'll spend hours and then you all over it. [01:54:44] Speaker C: Come on, you know me too well. Did not think that if you asked me a whole bunch of serious questions, I wouldn't mock and make fun of it. [01:54:52] Speaker B: I. He's easily fooled. He's adjacent. [01:55:00] Speaker A: If you're guy, you just put some lipstick on, I'll. I'll. I'll give you a kiss. [01:55:06] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. Wow. Volunteered a lot of information. All right. We do live episodes. Know that if you come in with lipstick on, next it's going be a kissing booth. [01:55:22] Speaker A: Mickey, you're going to have to do a lot of editing on this one. [01:55:24] Speaker B: I feel like this episode is really. [01:55:26] Speaker C: Going to have to be cut apart a lot. [01:55:29] Speaker B: So. [01:55:30] Speaker A: Chris, thank you for joining us. Even though you're a piece of. I really love having you here. Mickey, thank you for editing. Thank you for co hosting. Thank you for running this video video store with me. Thank you for 13 being the Vera of the group. [01:55:46] Speaker B: Oh, I am. [01:55:48] Speaker A: I always appreciate it. I really wish you would, like, try to buy things with your food stamps, but, like, outside of that, I love everything you do. Thank you, Molly. So thank you, Red Tower. Thank you to our animators on this exclusive episode. Go to Fangoria. Type in red tower. Get 20 off. We love you, listeners. Thank you for being with us. If you're listening, on December 13th, happy Friday the 13th, we have a special episode coming out to go along with this. We love you. I love you guys.