Fright Night (1985)

[00:00:05] Speaker A: Welcome, listener, to the return slot of horror. [00:00:12] Speaker B: Brewster, I can't do the voice. [00:00:17] Speaker A: All you wanted to go for. [00:00:18] Speaker B: Yeah, it was decent. [00:00:22] Speaker A: You're so cool. [00:00:24] Speaker B: You're so. [00:00:25] Speaker C: Oh, that's pretty good too. [00:00:29] Speaker A: A podcast recorded in the basement of our video store. After hours, when the doors are locked, the vhs are rewound, and the moon is glowing pale blue on a brisk and breezy night, we'd like to hang out in the basement, crack open a drink, and discuss our beloved genre, horror. Every episode, we invite you to join us for a drink in the basement as we discuss a film selected from one of our painstakingly curated subsections of the video store. That's right, for those of you unlucky enough to grown up without a mom and pop video store. Mickey, can you explain what I'm talking about? [00:01:03] Speaker B: Back in the day, before there was streaming, and even really before Blockbuster, there were these independent video stores. And to appease the appetites of the movie nerds like myself, Michelangelo, Chris, they would work directly with distributors to fill their shelves. What made these places special were the people working in the store, curating personalized sections based on their interests and the interests of their patrons. It was a way they made recommendations based on conversations and not just algorithms. So here at the return slot, we keep that spirit alive and strong. We hope you enjoy perusing our sections and joining in our conversations. [00:01:40] Speaker A: Tonight, we find ourselves in the sex, lies and bloody napes section of the video store. Tonight, we continue our season three premiere. This is our apertif series before our Halloween episodes. Because as we all know, Halloween is not a day or a month, but a season that starts very lightly in August and increases in spooky intestinal throughout September until its bloody, optimidal climax in the holiest months, October. Tonight, we are again joined by Chris. [00:02:18] Speaker B: Chris. [00:02:19] Speaker C: Yay. [00:02:20] Speaker B: Yay. It's so good to have you here, man. [00:02:24] Speaker C: Good to be here, buddy. [00:02:28] Speaker A: I kind of feel like it's like I have this clubhouse. And then I started with another friend and then my really good friend. I wanted to be in the club, and I wasn't sure if you guys were going to get along in the clubhouse. [00:02:43] Speaker C: Is that why you carved no girls allowed on the door to the basement? [00:02:47] Speaker B: He man. Woman Haters Club. [00:02:53] Speaker A: Here at the return. [00:02:54] Speaker B: Woman haters, one of our founders is. [00:02:58] Speaker A: A woman, and she is no longer on the podcast. [00:03:03] Speaker C: The wisest person leave and ran away. [00:03:12] Speaker B: She made it a full year and a half, though. That's incredible. That's incredible. [00:03:16] Speaker A: It's a lot of stinky socks down here and a lot of stale popcorn and just beer. Speaking of which, before we get to tonight's film, I'm sure you guys have figured it out by now, but before we get to the film, what are we drinking tonight, guys? Mickey, what is that? [00:03:37] Speaker B: It's not a can of anything. In honor of the season turning into full blown fall, I went with something a little fall themed, and I call it a bloody. A bloody what? A bloody Jerry is, is we go with this fall theme. And because, first of all, it's not going to be tomato based because Jerry's not eating tomatoes, he's eating apples. So we start with apple cider. Then we add cinnamon sticks that have been shaved down to a fine point so that we call them cinnamon steaks. A little bit of spiced rum, a splash of grenadine to make it really blood red. Like a hammer horror red. And then you serve it warm. And it's best had when dancing in front of the mirror to the song give it up by Evelyn champagne King. That is. [00:04:27] Speaker A: I mean, like, amazing spooky. Do you you also have a spooky cocktail tonight? Yes, we got two spooky cocktails tonight. [00:04:36] Speaker C: Holy cocktail. [00:04:37] Speaker B: This is amazing. [00:04:38] Speaker C: Double the season, double the fun. Similar lines. Definitely. I like kind of similar waves of thought. I call it Jerry Dandridge's fruit bat Fall festival. Fangria. Like sangria. [00:04:55] Speaker B: It's wonderful. Yeah. [00:04:56] Speaker C: And it's a batch cocktail take on a classic sangria. Red wine, apple cider, grand manier steeped in apples, cinnamon sticks, lemon for 12 hours, topped with a little soda water and a little cinnamon and sugar coated. [00:05:10] Speaker B: Apple slices at garnish. [00:05:13] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. There's some amazing spooky cocktails tonight also. [00:05:19] Speaker B: I wish you had been my mom when it came to bake sales and things, because the way you described all the things you're putting in there and the ingredients, I could tell that you'd be an amazing bake sale mom. [00:05:30] Speaker C: I've always wanted to be your mom, Mickey, ever since I met. [00:05:36] Speaker B: No offense to my actual. [00:05:38] Speaker C: No, I'm not going to pick that fight. I'll lose. [00:05:43] Speaker B: No. Yeah. [00:05:46] Speaker A: I'm going to say offense to your mom. All right, that's my angle. [00:05:52] Speaker C: I've only been on a few of these, but has that happened a couple of times? [00:05:56] Speaker A: Is this every episode? [00:05:57] Speaker B: This is part of your mom. [00:05:59] Speaker A: We talk about moms. Moms come up, family comes up, brothers who have been in cults come up, that sort of thing. [00:06:08] Speaker B: It's a typical all boys clubhouse. Talks about her moms lot talks about her moms. [00:06:15] Speaker A: I will say I can vouch. Everything Chris makes is fantastic. He can bake, he can cook. He's humble. He's very humble. [00:06:27] Speaker C: I don't like praise. [00:06:28] Speaker A: Just want to kiss you. [00:06:29] Speaker B: Come here. [00:06:32] Speaker C: Okay, you too. [00:06:33] Speaker B: Enough. [00:06:36] Speaker A: So much love in the basement tonight. [00:06:38] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. This is going to be a sexy conversation. [00:06:41] Speaker A: This is going to be a sexy. And I'm drinking the sexiest drink of all time. And that's a brewery from Chicago, half acre beer, their Lagertown, which is their October fest. You got to start them early, you know what I mean? [00:07:00] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:07:02] Speaker A: I don't know if you guys know this, but October Fest is actually in September. [00:07:10] Speaker B: Yeah, that's good. [00:07:12] Speaker C: Is that your radio DJ voice? [00:07:14] Speaker A: No, it's my. Frankenstein is the name of the monsters creator, which the people who would listen. [00:07:24] Speaker B: To this podcast are those people, and you just insist on insulting them. [00:07:28] Speaker A: I hate myself, so I hate the self loathing. [00:07:31] Speaker C: Has to go to everyone else. [00:07:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you, listener, for listening. [00:07:36] Speaker B: I love it. I have to all loathe. Yeah. [00:07:40] Speaker A: Tonight we are talking about Tom Holland's heartfelt love letter to the hammer horror films of the late 50s through the early seventy s. Nineteen eighty five's fright night. I did write originally in the title that this was a campy cult classic, but can you call something like this a cult classic? It was the highest grossing horror film of that summer, and it spawned books and comic books and sequels and video games. [00:08:15] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't think it's very. Well, I mean, it's cult in that it's obviously one that has been very popular, like cons and stuff like that, horror cons. But at the same time, too, I don't think it has cult status also, I would push back on the camp factor too. I don't think it's a campy film. [00:08:33] Speaker A: I think it's got some camp. It's got that sort of hammer horror camp to it. It's not like I can understand what you're saying. [00:08:44] Speaker C: I do too. I understand what you're saying. [00:08:47] Speaker A: It's a fine line. [00:08:48] Speaker B: Right? [00:08:48] Speaker A: You understand what I'm saying? I understand what you're saying. Mickey doesn't understand what either of us. [00:08:55] Speaker B: I wouldn't call it campy. Campy wouldn't be one of the descriptions. I would come to early. Yeah. And I also wouldn't call it. [00:09:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:03] Speaker B: When we get into my discovery of it, I think that in and of itself kind of dismisses as being. [00:09:11] Speaker C: We'Ll. [00:09:11] Speaker A: Get, we'll get to, um, Chris, this was your pick. [00:09:16] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:09:16] Speaker A: For the sex, lies, and bloody napes section of the video store. Why fright night, and what's your relationship with? [00:09:25] Speaker C: Know, I was trying to recall, I don't remember the first time I saw this. I feel like it was something that I remember being conscious of it back whenever I was a little kid, like, young enough that those effects scared me. And I'm pretty sure that it was like. I'm pretty sure it was like, again, I feel like I repeat myself a lot whenever this comes up, but it was like a Joe Bob special. TBS. I think the first watch was edited even, and that kind of goes, like, need the Nissan commercial to clean the palette. [00:10:02] Speaker A: But that's what's great about the horror host, right? Especially with a movie that has a horror host in it. You get to watch it with someone and it's scary, but he's holding your hand through it. He or she. [00:10:15] Speaker C: And, I mean, I think that it's a fantastic, like, I guess kind of a little bit to our conversation earlier. I don't feel like it falls in that camp category a bit because I feel like it is so lovingly done. It is an homage to the vampire films of or from hammer films, but at the same time, too, has its own space, is not overly concerned about following any sort of preset rules or conditions. It has HUMor in it. It has that amazing 80s films. I'm a child of that late 80s, early 90s. That was a big part of my growing up. And so something like this has a huge space in my heart, and it's got HERMAN's head as a lead. [00:11:00] Speaker B: That is a big factor in me as welL. Yeah. [00:11:04] Speaker A: HERMAN's head. [00:11:05] Speaker B: HERMAN's head on fox WILLIAM Sunday lineup. [00:11:08] Speaker C: He was the lead on a fox show. HERMAN's head. [00:11:11] Speaker B: HERMAN's head. [00:11:13] Speaker A: So explain this for someone who doesn't know, like, myself or a listener. [00:11:18] Speaker B: HERMAN's head. So there are people in Herman's head that kind of control every kind of his emotion, like lust and, like, I just really remember lust and gluttony, anger. [00:11:31] Speaker C: It's actually funny because what was that Disney film that came out a few years? Yeah, it's that concept, early 90s fox, like, but also. [00:11:42] Speaker B: It was later at night, and it was kind of sexy a little bit because Herman was doing a lot of dating and stuff. So they'd be, like, making decisions on whether to sleep with somebody in his head, and it was a comedy. And so you would jump out to this control room where his thoughts are arguing it out, all played by different characters. The one I remember most is the actress who does the voice of Bart Simpson. SHe plays, like, his KINDNESS in his YEARLY smith, right? Yeah, she's GReat in it. And I just remember it so well because it was like most of my early ideas of your emotions towards sexual attraction were kind of from Herman's head. To show that it only ran two seasons, maybe in 91 and 92. But that was a big reason why I watched this film, was because I had watched Herman's head and Herman's head bumped up against married with children, which was Marcy Darcy. So both of those Were Big in my life. And then, of course, this is 92, 93. So I already knew what Prince Humberdink was from Princess Bride. The summer before my 6th grade year, I would go rent movies, but I felt like I had graduated from Monster Squad. And, like, are you afraid of the dark? And I was, like, trying to really challenge myself. And when I saw the COVID art on this one, it was like, hell, yeah, this is creepy, for sure. And then when I saw that it was Herman, Marcy, Darcy, and Prince Humberdink, I was like, oh, this is going to be. Be. It's going to be. So that's my exposure to. It was like, I want to say probably it was the summer before 6th grade or maybe the fall of 6th grade, because that was when I was really trying to push myself that way. And, yeah. [00:13:32] Speaker A: Who's Herman's head? [00:13:33] Speaker B: Who is Herman? William, played by. [00:13:38] Speaker A: Okay, okay, gotcha, Charlie. [00:13:39] Speaker B: Charlie is Herman. And inside his head are all like, for some reason, it feels like the movie that took me was my first movie that was really rated r. And then from there came, like, american werewolf in London and Lost Boys and stuff like that. But this movie was kind of like, if it wasn't the first, it was one of the first that really was pushing the boundaries of what I was watching. And, yeah, there you go. I loved it then. And also, I wasn't aware of all the tropes then, either. I didn't know what a horror host even was. So for me, this is a lot of introduction to a lot of horror, like, vampire tropes. So it was like, it's not ground zero vampires, because, like I said, I was all about monster squad. I was aware of vampires. I even thought they actually lived in my hometown. But this was, like, the one where it started introducing regular ideas and thoughts around horror and what horror is and the tv hosts that host horror and then all that. [00:14:47] Speaker A: And, Mickey, what would you do for those of you who haven't listened to that episode. What were you doing about those vampires that you thought lived in your hometown. [00:14:59] Speaker B: When you were a kid? I had a box full of pencils that shaved down into steaks, holy water I stole from my church, garlic powder, because I didn't know that it was different from actual raw garlic. That's all I knew, garlic to be a holy bible, of course. A crucifix, just all shoved under the bed. And in my mimi's old vials, I put all the holy water, and I stood ready and guarded, and I'd go out in the woods with my dog wolf, and we would just see what we would protect the neighborhood. This will come up in another episode. Yeah. [00:15:46] Speaker A: As soon as I said, I was like, I should have waited to talk. [00:15:48] Speaker B: About no until the next episode. Yeah. [00:15:57] Speaker A: It's hard to remember my first viewing of this, but what I do remember is my mother would always go over to my aunt's house, like, once a week, and she had, like, a really nice house, and she had a huge vhs collection, and I would peruse her vhs. It was almost like a video store. She had them broken down into genres, and she would always let me borrow one to take home, and then I would bring it back the next week, and I was mesmerized by the artwork for be. I enjoy painting very much, and I know you do, too, Mickey. I wish I was at the skill level to where I could paint this movie poster for myself, because I would love to own not the movie poster of this, but, like, an oil on canvas of the movie poster. I love it so much. It was just years of me staring at this thing until eventually I got up the courage to ask if I could maybe borrow that one. Just to have the courage to ask to borrow it. And even then, my mom was like, I don't think this is one you should. It's a little much. And if you've listened to the podcast, I didn't get into horror, really, until I was much older. Monster Squad was more my speed, but I eventually saw this. I've seen it a million kajillion, bajillion times. I fucking love it. Despite some of the issues maybe that the movie has, maybe we'll get into those things. [00:17:58] Speaker B: Are you talking about issues that are kind of, like, we can say is a little bit kind of of the era, issues that just in general, a lot of films have? [00:18:05] Speaker A: Well, there's always. [00:18:06] Speaker B: Are you talking about technical things? [00:18:08] Speaker A: No, not technical things. Okay. Just like, maybe for me, some story structure, things we can get into and then I think one thing you always. Maybe we don't always mention this, but we are watching. Most of these films tend to be older, and you have to understand the context and the time in which they're made. And to view them and judge them with the standards that we have now can be a little unfair. Assuming it's not egregious stuff. I think you're talking more along the lines, Mickey. Right, of where we are right now with equality amongst men, women and everyone in between and sexuality. I think black Americans are really well depicted in this film. At least there is one character of status in this film. There's the cop played by Art J. Evans, Detective Lennox. But we'll get to the club scene because I really want to talk about. [00:19:21] Speaker B: Yeah, those are things that it's like I don't want people to mistake if I don't mention them, that I, for some reason think it's just fine. I recognize it. But it's a period piece. It is. It's kind of trapped by the time that it was made. And some of the stereotypes that they play with were really acceptable at the time, but are such shortcuts and blind spots that we as filmmakers at that time had. In a lot of films that you may have loved as a kid, there is a slew of them. Don't want to spend too much time on that topic. But yes, I don't love those when I see those in films that I truly cherish, and it bums me out. But that's part of living with things that were made in a different time. [00:20:09] Speaker C: Yeah. It's interesting, though, because I kind of have a bit of. Especially I got an interesting perspective. [00:20:15] Speaker B: A bit. [00:20:16] Speaker C: I think a bit on that, too, though. It's like this falls into the trap that happens in a lot of 80s films. And Tom Holland's quoted as saying that he put this in the suburbs because he wanted to be relatable. So this is 1980s Ronald Reagan America. The perception of what's relatable is white suburbia. Right. But then this really kind of falls into a lot of funny areas, I think of that white fear of, like, you're in this incredibly safe space of suburbs and have this mythological thing that happens out of the ordinary to strike fear into you. And it's, I think, completely unintentional. But it wanders into an area that I think is really prescient today, especially with what's happening in a lot of those sorts of areas of suburb, white America. [00:21:07] Speaker B: It's so funny. I wrote that down in my notes, I was like, the beautiful thing about a vampire is that it kind of represents our fears in a way, our anxieties of what we are. And when you look at what the anxiety is, it's like this pretty, vanilla, suburban, white, horny teenager has to fear this sophisticated, pansexual, kind of outsider. [00:21:32] Speaker A: Strong. [00:21:33] Speaker B: Yes. And there's something about it where it's like, I was sitting there. I was like, I 100% love this film, but I also recognize it's like. Yeah, it's almost like what you were saying. It's very much, like, reflective of an idea that represents one part of America. [00:21:55] Speaker A: I do want to add to that. [00:22:02] Speaker B: Boy, oh, boy. [00:22:04] Speaker C: Can I just. I'll throw in one thing real quick. [00:22:06] Speaker A: No, you go ahead, because I fucking lost it. [00:22:08] Speaker C: I was just going to say this is based in a fictional Iowa town called Corvallis. So I can tell you right now from spending some time in the state of Iowa, there is very much suburb towns in Iowa that are incredibly, incredibly. Does kind of capture a bit of what could be reality. [00:22:31] Speaker B: Yeah, it does. [00:22:33] Speaker A: I did a play in Iowa, and it was in the. At the time, it was like one of the highest quality of life cities in America. And it was very nice. The people were very nice. There was beautiful parks and galleries. But if you're from Iowa. I'm sorry that I'm about to say this, but there was something kind of depressing about it to me. And I don't know. I grew up in Kansas City, Missouri, so it's also midwest. But there was just something, I don't know, maybe too perfect about. I'll often watch, like, a terrible movie or something. You're like, why'd you watch that? And I'm like, because I hate myself. There's some psychology wrapped up in that. What I was going to say, I'm just remembering now, is, don't get me wrong, I love this movie, right? [00:23:54] Speaker B: But. [00:23:57] Speaker A: When I watch it now, I find. And it was less this time, but this was a lot more present the last few times I've watched it, that it's like Charlie is in a movie filled with rich characters, fun characters. Charlie is like, the least interesting one. He is like a little self righteous. And thank God William Ragsdale brought what he brings to the character. But I kind of feel like, again, I love Holland's script, but I think he's just assuming, like, oh, you're going to like this guy because he's the kid next door. You know what. [00:24:51] Speaker C: Mean? I think a lot of those, especially I'm sure that you guys probably came across this too. But, like, tom Holland distinctly was like, I don't want a hero. I want the kid next door. [00:25:12] Speaker A: He kind of wanted someone who is believably a virgin. [00:25:23] Speaker C: And of course, it's hard for it to come across, considering their age being all the teenagers are in their mid to late 20s. But I think he wanted that. I'm going through puberty and I'm very unsure of myself. But I know because look at how he talks. In a way, you can even see this being almost something more like a Goonies situation. You know what I mean? They could have casted more like twelve year olds, 14 year olds in these roles. And a lot of it would have worked because of the fact that. How he talks around the cop. Because in the basement there's a coffin. Because he's Dracula taking the sleep. You know what I mean? It's so silly. [00:26:10] Speaker A: That's where a little of the camp comes in for me. [00:26:13] Speaker B: Fair like that. [00:26:14] Speaker A: And whenever anything goes wrong for. So he either gets so angry or so like, just like, dude, you're like a badass vampire. Like, he stuck a pencil through your hand. It's going to be okay. Or it's just like that. To me, those are kind of campy moments. [00:26:45] Speaker C: But I do agree with you. [00:26:46] Speaker A: I wouldn't classify this film. The film is very sincere. [00:26:54] Speaker B: To that effect. I'll also say that sometimes where I think that these characters are nuanced enough that sometimes it covers the camp being like, these are just talking specifically about Jerry. Well, and we can also talk about Evil ed as well. It's like, I could see where that would read as camp. But it also. I kind of feel like they're giving performances better than what were written for them to give. And they're adding nuances that weren't. You can tell by the dialogue it wasn't in the script that these are. They're bringing interesting ideas and choices to their actions. And I just think about that with Jerry there. And also because I had a moment with Evil Ed where I was like, do I think that this is one of the best performances, hands down, in a horror film by a best friend? Or is this bad? I was like. And then I sided on no. This is one of the best performances ever. [00:27:59] Speaker A: His scene in the alley is heartbreaking. [00:28:04] Speaker B: Heartbreaking. It actually is heartbreaking. That could be campy. But instead it actually hits the emotional tones that it needs to. To, I think, be effective on me in a real. [00:28:17] Speaker A: Know, getting cast in this Jeffries. You know, he had just worked with Amanda Beers, how do you say her last name? [00:28:29] Speaker C: I've heard it said burs, but it might be. [00:28:31] Speaker A: So they had worked just right before this together in like, I think it was called fraternity vacation or something like that. Where he was playing like in. Yeah, I tried looking, not exactly better off dead, but I think it was probably like a copycat maybe of something like that. But he had never played this type of character before. He was used to going in for more of like innocent, pure hearted type guys. And I think he has some depth. He brings some depth to the character and he's had an interesting career. Chris owns most of his work outside of feature films. [00:29:25] Speaker C: He's only done feature films. What are you talking about now? He had a streak there in the late 80s, early 90s. That was my favorite works of his. Yeah, no, I don't know the alias that he had. I forgot to denote it. Did you guys. [00:29:40] Speaker B: Oh, I have it here. [00:29:41] Speaker A: Hold on 1 second. Let me pull it up. Ah, shit. [00:29:47] Speaker C: But for the listener, keep talking. In case if you did not know, Stephen Jeffries hit a point in his life career in which he starred under an alias in some gay pornography, you. [00:30:03] Speaker A: Know, that might have been by sort of positive way. [00:30:12] Speaker C: Yeah, I would say that. I think that it's part of Sam Ritter. [00:30:18] Speaker B: Funny. [00:30:18] Speaker C: Sam Ritter. [00:30:19] Speaker A: Sam Ritter was his alias for the. That just sounds like a pornographic films that he did. [00:30:25] Speaker C: No punny. Yeah, just a like. Yeah, could have been an actor's name. But I think that's part of his process and how he came to be very comfortable in who he is as well. I think it was definitely a bit of an organic process and good for him. I think that there's a lot of people that have gone down that road and lost themselves to. Can be very negative to who you are. There's nothing wrong with pornography, but there's a lot of casualties in the field of it, unfortunately. So good for him. And he's got a very strong career right now. I mean, he's in a lot of films that I haven't personally watched. There are a lot of horror films. [00:31:15] Speaker A: That he's working, but he's working. [00:31:18] Speaker C: I've listened to him, a couple interviews with him. He comes off very charming. Very. Yeah, that's something that I don't know if you guys came across this or not, but it's interesting. Everyone that was in this film is incredibly bonded. Like Chris Arendon has a podcast that he does in which it's like talking about cooking and the role of food in your life. It's a good podcast. I recommend it. I think I actually have it here. But anyway, the point being is that all of the co stars alive, like Roddy McDowell obviously wasn't able to be a part of it, but have been on it, and they all talk about how much they became good friends. And it's awesome to see what a nurturing relationship everyone had on this film. [00:32:07] Speaker B: And from my understanding, Roddy McDowell not able to obviously talk about it now, but was like not just the heart of the story, but also on set, was like taking family films and just very much like the patriarch of that then, you know, I read, know Sarandon was like such a pro and such an inspiration to some of the young actors to watch him kind of move around the set and just handle the long hours and makeup, being told they're not shooting that particular day, whatever it was, but just a consummate professional the whole way through. [00:32:43] Speaker A: I've actually heard there have been a lot of allegations. [00:32:47] Speaker B: Oh, no. [00:32:48] Speaker A: Confirming that Rody McDowell was an absolute gentleman and a wonderful person. And Peck will be dressed with amazing. He would, he would have two dinner parties a week. Wednesday nights were for straight couples and Friday or Saturday nights was for gay couples. I love them. [00:33:09] Speaker C: Sound like the gay party was awesome, too. [00:33:12] Speaker A: That's the one you want to go. That's the one you want to go to. That's the fun. Know the straight couples are on Wednesday nights. [00:33:20] Speaker C: What does that tell you? [00:33:23] Speaker A: I enjoy a good Wednesday night party, but come on. Yeah. Roddy McDowell is as Peter Vincent, like, oh, fright night. So good, so wonderful, so wonderful, so. [00:33:41] Speaker B: Charming, so sensitive in that role. That could very easily be because you're a tv horror host. It could be big. It could be so many other directions. And he kind of took this sensitivity about it. You're scared for him as he goes through this process. You're like, this guy's no hero. This guy is not going to save powerly lion. So I really appreciate that, that he brought to it as well. I mean, this casting is really strong. [00:34:17] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. They really lucked out with an amazing concept. The killer practical effects and this cast for sure. And it was shot, Mickey and I, we've talked about this before, that Panavision anamorphic lens, that 25 35 one ratio. It's a gorgeous movie. And for the vhs collectors out there, when it was originally released to home media, it was a pan and scan. And for those of you don't know what a pan scan is, Mickey, do you want to describe what that is? [00:35:00] Speaker B: They're basically cropping off the edges of the film rather than seeing it in its actual intentional shot way, where it's really wide in that aspect ratio. They're basically squaring it off and cutting off all of your edge frame to then zoom in on it. Sometimes people actually a different film. Well, in many ways, yes. I mean, it's like anybody who knows any kind of basic photography and composition knows that you're using every space available to you in the sensor. So you are. Yeah, you're losing. I don't know the exact math of it, but I want to say you're losing a little over. No, I mean, a little under a third of the film. [00:35:42] Speaker A: You're seeing, like, an edited version of. It's not the director's movie anymore. It's somebody who scanned it and is telling you where the focus needs to go. And I'm sure most of you know this already, but you always need to make sure when you're watching a film, especially if you're purchasing that film, that you're watching it the way that director intended. And like, recently there's been a criterion collection sale. Chris has been buying up all sorts of stuff because he's raking in a lot of money being a guest on the episodes. [00:36:18] Speaker B: Money. [00:36:18] Speaker C: It's so weird that you guys make your own currency with the two of you, like, embracing. [00:36:22] Speaker A: It's circular. It's circular. [00:36:25] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:36:28] Speaker B: You too can get your return slot of horror bucks. The cryptocurrency that we're selling. [00:36:35] Speaker C: Mail us $10,000 to po box four two, one. Was there a point of what you were saying, though? [00:36:43] Speaker B: Criteria? Yeah, I wasn't sure. Seeing it in its actual meant to be seen Tom Holland way. It's always the way to go for any film, especially if you. [00:36:51] Speaker A: Yeah, this is a gorgeous film. [00:36:54] Speaker B: A lot of texture. [00:36:55] Speaker C: I was kind of wondering just about that. Everything. I read one thing and I tried validating it, and I couldn't find it anywhere else. Did you guys come across the thing about how, like. So Tom Holland, of course, wrote it and he wanted to direct it, but at one point, Richard Donner was going to direct it, and then he decided to move over to lethal weapon, right? [00:37:17] Speaker B: Oh, lethal weapon. Okay. [00:37:18] Speaker C: Yeah. And then that opened it back up to Tom Holland directing it. And I read this one place, and I've tried validating it, searching through Richard Donner stuff as well. I couldn't find anywhere else. So I don't know if it was BS or not. I wasn't sure if you guys came. [00:37:31] Speaker B: Across that I didn't come across that. [00:37:32] Speaker A: I didn't come across it either. And it's fucking Hollywood land. [00:37:36] Speaker B: So hard enough. [00:37:37] Speaker C: It's real or not. [00:37:38] Speaker A: You know what? [00:37:39] Speaker B: There's probably. There's probably a hint somewhere where someone said, you know, it'd be great for this. [00:37:45] Speaker A: It's like, you know, Tom Cruise was up for this part. [00:37:50] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:37:50] Speaker A: Or, like, going to IMDb trivia and it's like, depending on the era, it was like, whatever the top star was in that era, it's like, well, this person was considered. It's like, yeah, because every star. [00:38:02] Speaker C: Yeah, well, and to that point, I just thought it was funny because in Michelangelo, you said the actor's name, but who played the detective? He's got total, like, I'm too old for this shit. Vibes going on. Is that an overlap that could have been. [00:38:16] Speaker B: There he is. [00:38:20] Speaker A: Art J. Evans still, at least as of 2017, still has such a baby face, despite the fact that he, I think, went prematurely gray at a pretty young age. He's gray in this film, but he has a very boyish face. Have either of you guys read the book? [00:38:48] Speaker B: No, I haven't. [00:38:51] Speaker C: Have you? [00:38:51] Speaker A: So there was a novelization of the film, a few different ones of them. But then recently, Tom Holland wrote fright night origins. And the plan was to. I don't know if this is still happening, but the plan is to make a trilogy, right, or not. Originally intended, he wrote it as a one off, but, like, to create his version of the trilogy because this did spawn a sequel. There was supposed to be a third film that never came to fruition. There was a remake. We'll maybe get to those at some point. But I read. Also listened to the audiobook that Chris Sarandon narrates. I went back and forth as I was trying to, like, I was trying to gram in before I did this. And it gives you some more context to individual character motivations. And if you are a diehard fright night fan and you love this world, maybe reading the book is a good idea. But I found it ultimately, like, I've seen the movie so many times, the book was just retreading what I. It fills in what you would speculate through the actor's performance. But, like, man, you know. [00:40:16] Speaker C: Well, I mean, I'm kind of curious. Maybe you guys don't have this question, but there's a few things. Like, for instance, what is Billy Cole? [00:40:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:27] Speaker C: You know what mean? Like, does it dive into that at all? [00:40:30] Speaker A: He's a blood slave, which in this story, essentially what it means is that he's kind of half vampire. He has the advantage of being. Having a very long life for living hundreds of years and being very strong. But he's not a full vampires. And he suffers from know. He suffers a great insult in one night where Jerry turns two other people into a vampire. And this guy has been with them for hundreds of years, waiting to be turned. But Billy's so good at his know. He doesn't want to risk turning him fully because he's the guy who protects him when there's daylight. They have a really wonderful relationship within the book that I think comes across within the film, pretty much. Oh, yeah. [00:41:34] Speaker B: I presumed that he was like a Renfield kind of know, having the proverbial carrot hung out in front of him. [00:41:42] Speaker A: Yeah, but Renfield wasn't respected. Renfield was just a slave. Whereas Billy. [00:41:47] Speaker B: But Billy also gets told to get on his knees when he's working with. He doesn't get told. [00:41:53] Speaker A: He just. [00:41:56] Speaker B: Says, I thought that Jerry says something to him to make him get on his knees. Remember who was in charge. Kind of like a. I don't remember that. [00:42:05] Speaker A: Do you remember that, Chris? No, maybe you're right. I don't remember that. [00:42:09] Speaker C: I think it cuts to. Because then, of course, it's the Charlie. The phone rings. Charlie picks up. He's covered in sweat. He starts talking to him. And they do that. Zoom in on dandridge in the window with the phone, and he's at his knees, which I did find a Tom Holland thing that he did distinctly want it framed that way to a subtext, which I like the fact that he was talking about it. You know what I mean? Because I would have to assume there's a lot in this film that in that regard, that some of it's intentional and some of it's not. And so it's interesting to hear that one. No, that one was intentional. This other one over here, that one wasn't that type of thing. It's like, good to hear him not be like, oh, no, I was batting a thousand. I'm super progressive. It was 85. [00:42:58] Speaker B: Okay, well, in the same time that Freddie's revenge is coming out, isn't that the same year? [00:43:05] Speaker C: I was wondering that same thing. [00:43:08] Speaker A: Speaking of Freddie, I think that this town is located in the same place as nightmare part two, where all of a sudden you're in best suburban town. And then there's all of a sudden, within walkable distance of this suburbia, there is an industrial section with a nightclub. [00:43:33] Speaker B: That'S pretty common in small midwestern very. [00:43:37] Speaker A: Common for you city dwellers. You wouldn't know that, but very normal. [00:43:44] Speaker C: That classic american city. Yeah. In which two blocks away from the. [00:43:50] Speaker A: Okay, we bring up the club. Why does Jerry go nuts on the bouncers? It doesn't serve what he's trying to do in the story. [00:44:00] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:44:01] Speaker C: Plus, he's temperamental. [00:44:03] Speaker A: Did either of you notice any Holmes? [00:44:08] Speaker B: He's one of the bouncers. [00:44:11] Speaker A: He was a professional football player. He was on the a team and he played for the Pittsburgh Steelers, I believe. I thought you guys would know. Especially you, Mickey. [00:44:19] Speaker B: Yeah, in the A Team. [00:44:21] Speaker C: Like on an episode of my A Team. Pretty. [00:44:30] Speaker A: He's the bouncer who gets like, jerry, like grabs him by the throat and throws him. He's Leon across the had. They have names? [00:44:39] Speaker C: Is he the first bouncer that gets a tattoo goes, big guy comes up. [00:44:48] Speaker A: Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, he is. [00:44:51] Speaker B: They're not credited with names. That's funny. [00:44:53] Speaker C: That's bullshit. [00:44:54] Speaker A: But bouncer number one is Nick Savage. And I was like, I know this guy from something, Mickey, you definitely know this guy. [00:45:03] Speaker B: Oh God. [00:45:05] Speaker A: He's like, Friday the 13th, part three. He's the leader of the biker gang and Friday the 13th, part three. And he worked up until 92 pretty consistently in film and television. [00:45:20] Speaker B: Okay. [00:45:23] Speaker A: But I thought you would know about Ernie Holmes. [00:45:26] Speaker B: No, I did not know there was a Pittsburgh connection. There's always a Pittsburgh connection. But no, I didn't. Always a. Yeah, that's Jack Savage for. Sorry, savage. [00:45:46] Speaker A: And speaking of the book, for the last time, they do retcon it into being like a small town in the wine country in California. [00:45:57] Speaker C: In California. [00:45:58] Speaker A: So it's like not too far from Hollywood, which makes a lot more sense. [00:46:04] Speaker C: I thought it was so weird, the fact that I was wondering why. So Charlie has a university of Iowa pencil holder that he grabs the pencil out of the, stabs danger's hand. And when you get Peter Vincent's eviction notice, there's the shot of it and it says Corvallis, iowa, which there isn't. It's a major city. It seemed unnecessary. I was wondering, why was it set there? [00:46:27] Speaker A: That was what you did back then. We talked about this in teen wolf. It's like your market is like middle America. She cast it in the midwest to try to make it a more relatable thing, that big. [00:46:41] Speaker C: Iowa dollars. [00:46:42] Speaker A: Speaking of which, when Charlie stabs Jerry. Right. There's a few things I want to talk about from that scene. One is, I mean, Charlie would have stabbed himself if it went through. That's the fucking end of the movie, right? That would have been great. [00:47:05] Speaker C: And Dan's just stuck. [00:47:12] Speaker A: And the mom's knocking on the door, and he's, like, moving around with the kid, like, dangling from his hand. Like he's trying to get him off. [00:47:30] Speaker B: So. [00:47:34] Speaker A: You know, Jerry is like, hey, man, like, be cool, right? He's like, I don't want to kill you. I don't want to do any of this. Just like, be cool. I want to know what you guys like, what kind of relationship you would have formed with Jerry as a result of that if you were Charlie. And how would you want your fright night story to go if you were Charlie? [00:48:12] Speaker C: I kind of thought a little bit about this because it's one of those things, right? Again, like, kind of what I was talking about earlier. It makes more sense if you're a little kid. Because wouldn't a little kid be like, no, I can't agree to you, vampire. Whereas if you're just a little older, you're like, sure. Even if you try to kill him later. Well, same with even too. To go back to the beginning, I think it's really funny. Whenever you guys were, like, a teenager and trying to lose your virginity, wouldn't it have taken a full bloodbath outside to really distract you? [00:48:45] Speaker A: Well, maybe. [00:48:47] Speaker C: I don't think so. [00:48:49] Speaker B: Because, well, there's also the idea of, like, you're really aggressively trying to catch something, and then when you catch it, you don't know what to do. And you're like, I'm going to go over here. I'm not saying that's the case with Charlie, but that is something that I remember as a young man being like, yeah, I'm going to do this. [00:49:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:07] Speaker B: And then always being, go ahead. [00:49:09] Speaker A: I just wanted to chime in on that. That scene. Charlie is like, when she's finally ready, he's kind of like a dog chasing a fire truck. Doesn't know what to do. A look on his face once she's like, okay. And he's like, I related to so much because I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. [00:49:33] Speaker C: To go from full coercion to that is a big turnaround because he's very creepy for a minute. [00:49:40] Speaker B: Oh, look, our neighbors got coffee moving in. Look over there. Whether it's clearly that. No, but don't know if that's the character choice there. [00:49:52] Speaker A: But I think a simple fix for, because we were all teenagers at one point and we were all trying to advance our sexual knowledge. And I remember my experience at that age was a lot of dry humping. I was very late to the game on a lot of things. So I was in my final years of high school dating a girl that I dated for seven years. And she was wonderful. But I do remember at one point telling her, like, listen, I love you. We were saying, I love you at that point. And I did love her. I was like, I love you, but I cannot dry hump anymore. My penis is a scab right now. We either have to figure something, like, we either move on to the next stuff, if you're comfortable with that, or we have to stop this. I don't want you to think that I'm not into you, but my penis literally has scabs on it from all the dry humping we've doing. We need to move on to something else. Not full penetration, not full sex yet, but just the next step. [00:51:04] Speaker B: And this is the reason why Athleisure has blown up in the world. High school kids now never wear jeans. [00:51:16] Speaker A: It's the zipper, really. The zipper really fucking will kill you, man. Kevin Smith has a very funny story about, like, the first time he had sex with his wife, they were dry humping so hard that he had a scab on his dick. So when he put his penis inside her and they had sex for the first time, he was like. It felt like he was sticking his dick in battery. But I think there were some things that could have been done, very simple things, to make me like Charlie more. And it's as simple as, like the. [00:51:50] Speaker B: Old saying, dry humping, more dry. [00:51:52] Speaker C: More relatable. [00:51:53] Speaker A: Dry humping, more relatable. Dry humping. [00:51:55] Speaker B: No, it's a zipper. Right. Save the cat, sir. Save the cat. [00:52:06] Speaker A: I don't feel like Charlie really has a save the cat moment. In the book, we learn about Charlie's father and we get some sympathy for him there. But, like, in the film, we don't know what's going on with the single. [00:52:20] Speaker B: Mom and the kid. Yeah. [00:52:21] Speaker C: And I like that personally. [00:52:23] Speaker A: I do too. [00:52:25] Speaker C: I like how thirsty his mom is. [00:52:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:28] Speaker C: Everyone's really handsome man moved in next door. [00:52:31] Speaker A: This brings up something that I wanted to talk about, and this connects it to our previous episode. Martin. Thirsty moms. Martin. We've decided the way we interpreted the film, Martin's not a vampire. Right. But a point I was trying to make is Martin is a vampire when you take away all the magic. Right. And Jerry's like the 180 of Martin. [00:53:06] Speaker B: Right. [00:53:07] Speaker A: Or if you're watching last action hero, he's a 360 little inside joke there. Anyways, sorry, Mickey. I'm sure you got it though. You've seen last action hero. Oh, yeah. But Jerry is a 180 of Martin. He is sexy, he is sophisticated, and he has the magic. He is making people do what they don't want to do through his magic. He has the glimmer. He's the glimmer man. I would love to see a Steven Sakal vampire movie, by the way. He's a scumbag, though. [00:53:52] Speaker C: Terrible person. [00:53:53] Speaker A: But Jerry is the, there's a large fandom of women who find Chris Randon's Jerry very enticing. [00:54:13] Speaker C: If Chris from the 80s was coming on to me, that would be hard. [00:54:16] Speaker A: And Mickey, your hair right now is very Chris Randon. [00:54:23] Speaker B: I have tried to fashion my life after three men, and Chris Sarandon is one of them. [00:54:27] Speaker C: Oh, hell. [00:54:28] Speaker A: John Stamos and Harry Connor Jr. Or John Wayne. [00:54:31] Speaker B: John Stamos. [00:54:32] Speaker C: What is Stamos? [00:54:35] Speaker B: Stamos. [00:54:36] Speaker C: Chris Sarandon and Chris Sarandon. [00:54:38] Speaker B: And then finally Oscar Isaac as of late. [00:54:42] Speaker A: I felt like it was something beforehand. There was something before, though. [00:54:46] Speaker B: It was either Harry Connor Jr. My brothers look just like Harry Connock Jr. And you think I look like an Hispanic Harry Connock Jr. You said that to me. I never said that to you. [00:54:58] Speaker A: Oh, maybe I'm making that. I'm rewriting history. [00:55:03] Speaker B: Yeah, but Chris Sarandon, what a. [00:55:07] Speaker C: Suave and just so, and then even, like, even personal life. I mean, you hear him talk about things. He's so personal, man. [00:55:14] Speaker B: And to your point, I hear what you're saying about Martin. I do fully understand what you were saying. Martin is a subversion of the trope that is so prevalent in the vampire myth, which is they are sexy. They are. Vampires are. [00:55:37] Speaker A: Christopher Lee, man. He would like, fucking bring him in. Bella, the was like, mickey, do that again. Do that again, do that again. He's doing a thing with his hands that's really. It's like two. [00:55:52] Speaker C: No. [00:55:53] Speaker A: Sparado. [00:55:53] Speaker C: No. There you. Yep. [00:55:58] Speaker A: The white guy, he did the shocker. [00:56:03] Speaker C: I'm at the age you got to go full fist. [00:56:06] Speaker A: Isn't that the shocker? [00:56:08] Speaker C: It is the shocker. [00:56:09] Speaker A: Shocker, shocker, shocker. [00:56:14] Speaker B: Different. [00:56:15] Speaker C: I don't know what the hell. Like shock a Khan. What do you do? [00:56:18] Speaker A: I don't know. Okay, let's move on. We don't need to dwell on. [00:56:24] Speaker B: I guess, where I'm going with it is that. Yes, you're 100% right. George Romero was taking the vampire. What a vampire does, putting it on a human with mental whatever. I just mean that that's a subversion of what the vampire trope is, which is great in Martin, but Chris Sarandon is what is one of the most appealing things about a vampire, which is Lestat. It's the charm. It's the way they move about the, you know, competent. [00:57:03] Speaker A: So I don't think we quite answered my question yet. Like, we totally ran relationship would you have formed with Jerry if you were Charlie and how would your fright night story have gone? [00:57:17] Speaker B: Chris, you want to go with this one? [00:57:18] Speaker C: Well, like, I was just going to mean, I don't know about my fright night story, but the thing that obviously came across my mind in the scene, like, watching it again, was just like, why not be like, yes, you bet it, boss. I forget you, you forget me. And then even if you do eventually plot to try to take him down, you at least buy yourself time and able to recoup and think about it, not try to do a shitty attack whenever he's got you by the balls, obviously. Yeah, that's a hard one, right? I think we always want to think that in times of great strife and when put into peril, we will always act our best heroic film version of ourselves. Would we? [00:57:58] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:57:59] Speaker C: Never been put in a position of being around a vampire. Yeah, I would probably call Dalton Wilcox my favorite vampire hunter, if you know, Andy Daly. [00:58:14] Speaker A: Okay, so Mickey, Chris isn't in the arts like you. And know what's your know? [00:58:26] Speaker B: I actually wrote down in my notes that Jerry is what I wanted to be in life, what I aspired to. You wanted to kill Martin? [00:58:40] Speaker A: He doesn't kill hooker. [00:58:42] Speaker B: No, he doesn't. He. We. Let's not get into the semantics of. But, uh, Jerry is. Know I aspire to. [00:58:51] Speaker A: Jerry is. [00:58:52] Speaker B: Is what we all kind of want to be. But really, at the end of the day, in high school, I was just a charlie. [00:58:56] Speaker A: Jerry's alio. [00:58:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:05] Speaker C: True. [00:59:06] Speaker B: But I really am just a Charlie. And I actually think that one of the things that they did capture for me, what I wrote down in my notes was that Charlie is this plucky suburban teen so naive that he thinks the horror host can help him. [00:59:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:20] Speaker B: And I think there's a naivete that I had growing up in the northeast Arkansas, that I kept holy water. And I thought that maybe it really could help me. At some point in my life, I kept crucifixes. There was a part of me that believed in pure evil. And I think that if faced with a vampire, I would revert back to my most base self, which is the kid that keeps the stakes under his bed and goes out with his dog hunting for vampires at night. I do think that I would probably be that person that would be like, I'm doing this for my community, for Amy, for my know. So I do see that now. Is that fully what comes across in this, Charlie? No, but this is my story. Yeah, that's what. And in my fright night, I'd have a bathtub full of holy water. I'd have actually full of garlic and water. Ready to fight. [01:00:22] Speaker C: Never do find out if garlic works in this vampire world. [01:00:27] Speaker A: It doesn't. [01:00:28] Speaker C: It doesn't. [01:00:29] Speaker A: It doesn't. He's got it all over his room, does he? [01:00:33] Speaker C: Not after Jerry attacks him, though, right? [01:00:37] Speaker B: No. [01:00:40] Speaker A: Wait a second. No, because he's got, you know, book. It might be the book permeating the garlic doesn't do anything to the vampire. [01:00:53] Speaker C: Well, I was going to say he is drinking a Bloody Mary whenever he goes over to Charlie's house. Have garlic in it. [01:01:00] Speaker B: Yeah, but now is it a bloody Mary or is it a Bloody Mary. [01:01:07] Speaker C: Like he brought his own? [01:01:10] Speaker A: Or it could be fruit juice. [01:01:13] Speaker B: Yeah, you're right. He loves his tomato. [01:01:17] Speaker C: I came across a Chris Sarandon thing. I don't know if you guys came across it. And his thing was that Jerry eats fruit because he's a fruit bat, and then he distinctly eats an apple after he drinks blood to cleanse his palate. I love that. [01:01:35] Speaker A: Yeah, that's cool stuff, literally, for you listeners out there. And for you two, if you don't know this, like, eating an apple after a meal is a very good thing to eat after a meal because apples are one of the things that apples and hard cheeses are good to eat because they kind of move the debris of what you've eaten from your mouth. So if you eat an apple and then swish your mouth with water, it's very healthy for your teeth, and it's also delicious. [01:02:04] Speaker B: And the way in which he eats the apple, I just want to. Is, like, the coolest apple eating I think I've seen on screen. I can't think of a better apple. [01:02:13] Speaker A: Like, he puts Brad Pitt to shame with how he eats his fruit, for sure. He also brought that connection of Amy looking like his past love. That's in the part of his curse is that he continually meets the reincarnation of his love's soul, and he's doomed to not be with her always. [01:02:42] Speaker B: I was just going to say, do. [01:02:43] Speaker C: You think that works in the film? [01:02:46] Speaker A: I think it works. Not that full idea, but this concept that it humanitizes him a little bit. I give a flavor of his point of view, which I appreciate because he. [01:03:04] Speaker B: Could mean really honestly in this story. He could have any woman. It wouldn't be hard for him to go pick up a girl at a nightclub or use his powers in any way. But it's specifically with Amy, and I believe that does take directly from Bram Stoker's Dracula, because wouldn't Dracula's the same situation? So I think it tracks trope wise of paying homage. Even though it wasn't Tom Holland's idea, it still hits all those points of homage. [01:03:30] Speaker C: I guess for me at least, it comes across. But I don't know if it really works because I feel like it's teased out. [01:03:37] Speaker B: You get it. [01:03:38] Speaker C: But then in the end of the day, he's using her still as bait for Charlie and for Peter Vincent, which, yeah, the whole idea is, know he thinks that she can kill him. But at the same time, though, I feel like that stands a bit in contrast with the idea of that whole lost love and not being, you know what I mean? [01:03:57] Speaker A: That's some of the story issues I have with the film is, like, I feel like act two is kind of slow, and then act three happens really quickly. [01:04:10] Speaker B: What's your fright night story, Michelangelo? [01:04:12] Speaker A: Yeah, my fright night story. I got to tell you, I think I would toe the line with Jerry a little more. I would, like, maybe want to get to know him. This would definitely be more of, like, an independent, darker film. You know what? Like, because I would be very intrigued with getting involved with Jerry and becoming maybe taking over for Billy for a while. [01:04:40] Speaker B: I was about to say that I. [01:04:41] Speaker A: Can see Billy's jealousy of your relationship as a personal assistant. It's interesting, but trying to wrap your head around, it's not like Jerry's like a Dexter type character where he's killing criminals. That's how I always kind of saw. I've always thought about, if I was a vampire, that'd be cool, and what kind of vampire would I be? And I'm like, oh, you just kill bad people. It's still wrong. Don't get me wrong. I still see it like, it's absolute justice or whatever. It's terrible. [01:05:31] Speaker B: But. [01:05:34] Speaker C: The thing about that, too, Ray, is like, the people that you hate, right? That are like bad people. You're also eating them. [01:05:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I thought about this. It's like, I wonder, in the world, it's like, do you end up consuming their essence and that affects you, or is it literally. It's just fuel. It's just blood. It doesn't matter who the individual is. But that would be an interesting thing because then it's like, well, when you eat somebody bad, it fucking sucks. You kind of become a dick so that you kind of have to kill good people if you want to live a good life as a vampire. [01:06:13] Speaker B: Well, I've also wondered, first of all, just as a vampire in general, you're conditioned to live with your illness, right? So it's like you are going to accept that the only way for you to survive without constant pain is by killing somebody and consuming their blood. [01:06:34] Speaker A: Well, you could look at it as an illness. You could look at it in many different ways, but in this. [01:06:45] Speaker B: As an affliction. I see it as an affliction, not as a. [01:06:50] Speaker A: Because you're typically not born with it. Right. It's something that's given to you through. [01:06:54] Speaker B: A very typically, typically not by choice. In most of the vampire tropes, Jerry's. [01:07:01] Speaker A: Like, I'm going to give you a choice that I don't have. I thought that was very effective. I'm going to give you a choice. I don't have this choice. I didn't have this choice. [01:07:11] Speaker B: So you're conditioned to be okay with the fact that this is who you are. You have to do this in the same sense that we have to go out and pull roots from the ground and consume those things. And this is just a condition. We don't have to. [01:07:26] Speaker A: But yes, but if some people do, I'm a person who was a vegan for a full year and I did it. [01:07:34] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [01:07:35] Speaker A: Really? Chris knows. We would go hiking. I'd just be farting the whole vegetable. It wasn't like I ate fake meats and stuff like that. I ate vegetables and legumes and I did not run, like, genetically. I am not made to be a vegan. I really do need animal products in my diet. [01:07:58] Speaker B: But I did vegan for a minute, too. And I will tell you, not only do I. [01:08:03] Speaker A: No, I didn't do it for a minute. I did it for a year. I just want to get that out of the way listener. Not a minute. [01:08:09] Speaker C: Maybe I was a vegan, maybe I wasn't. I'm not going to tell you. [01:08:14] Speaker B: And also, there's a level of when it's actually really being a vegan and not really being a vegan. I committed to it for months and I did it. I would say about half a year was probably where I think I got to. Okay, six months. [01:08:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:27] Speaker B: But I also, during that period was doing a lot of reading. And I not only consume meat, but I believe in, like, if you're going to consume it, you need to get your hands dirty on it. So I will actually go and hunt. And that's a condition you created sexual. [01:08:41] Speaker A: Relationship with these animals? You seduce them? I seduced them, gave them the glimmer. [01:08:47] Speaker B: With them with some sweet 80s music. [01:08:50] Speaker A: And then had them dance with a mirror. And you weren't there. And then you were there. Very weird. But your wife stuck by you the whole time. Whole time. [01:09:01] Speaker B: She had no problem with. So anyway, back to this whole thing. [01:09:13] Speaker A: It's hard to finish a thought with us, right? [01:09:16] Speaker B: You're consuming blood. And I do think that somebody like Chris Randon probably there is a thing of, like, I'm not just going to consume the blood of bad people who don't take care of their bodies. It's like he is probably in that level of like, I want to have good food and produce. I want to know where my food comes from. I want to know. So I think that there is that element. It would be really. [01:09:40] Speaker C: The one's a sex worker, though, right? [01:09:42] Speaker A: Yeah, one for sure. [01:09:45] Speaker B: That can also, in some ways be a lot cleaner than somebody you're going to pick up in a bar fair. Well, because really there are people that don't get paid and don't watch themselves and get tested and all that stuff that still sleep with that many people. [01:10:00] Speaker A: Do unsafe sex workers from the 80s get tested? [01:10:05] Speaker B: I mean, the AIDS pandemic has already yet come and gone at that point. [01:10:13] Speaker A: This person has AIDS. I don't want that blood. You know what I mean? [01:10:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, that's not been something that's been written in that I know of, in any film I've ever seen. But I'm sure it's a concern just the same way with us and listeria and stuff. [01:10:26] Speaker C: Real quick, I wish I could remember it, but there was always this really bad comedy vampire film from the 80s that was on Comedy Central when I was a kid, and they did something in it that I've always wondered, how come they never touch it on the vampire films? Which is like the whole thing was like, oh, yeah, you're a vampire and you'd have to get blood, but you can just get a blood from a butcher shop. [01:10:53] Speaker A: Is that. My best friend's a vampire. I recently rewatched that. [01:10:58] Speaker C: Really? [01:10:59] Speaker A: And I also watched it as a kid. I love it. [01:11:02] Speaker B: It's great. [01:11:02] Speaker A: Really. It's like a teenage comedy version of a vampire film. It's fun. It's got the guy who is. He was on house. He's opposite house. He's the. If House is Sherlock Holmes. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I can't believe I'm forgetting this right now. Who's the guy who writes the books in the stories? [01:11:31] Speaker B: Sir Conan Arthur Doyle. [01:11:33] Speaker A: No, no, no. In the stories, it's Sherlock Holmes, but his partner, Watson. Sorry, I can't believe I forgot Watson. But he's essentially Watson in house. Yeah, but in the books, as I believe the books to be written, the books are always written from the perspective of Watson. [01:11:54] Speaker B: Okay? [01:11:55] Speaker A: He's the one narrating the. [01:11:57] Speaker C: Yeah, but the point, though, is just that, you know, what mean. So, like, it's never really touched on vampire films of, like. Yeah, sure. You're hunting humans. Could you live off of animal kill blood? [01:12:07] Speaker A: That's what he. [01:12:09] Speaker C: Cow blood. Could it be rat's blood? Yeah, yeah. [01:12:14] Speaker A: A little Brad Pitt action there. [01:12:17] Speaker B: I had a movie idea years ago where it was, like, a community of vampires that don't want to be bad. They live off a blood bank, and that's why there's always shortages. And they're constantly calling people for blood is because it's just vampires that are trying to go the straight and narrow. [01:12:33] Speaker C: Active donators. [01:12:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:35] Speaker A: In twilight, you got essentially the vegan vampires. They eat like deer. [01:12:42] Speaker C: Is that really what they do in that? [01:12:43] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what they do. Like, that's the. [01:12:49] Speaker B: Michelangelo's better. Really? Geek out. Go ahead. What team are you on? Is it team Edward? Team? What team are you on? [01:12:54] Speaker A: Oh, I'm not on any team. [01:12:56] Speaker B: Okay, so you chose your team. [01:12:58] Speaker C: Former vegan lives matter. Oh, no. [01:13:13] Speaker B: We just got canceled. [01:13:15] Speaker C: If you want to start really making money on this podcast, time to hard turn. We really go. [01:13:20] Speaker A: We take a hard line down a certain direction. [01:13:24] Speaker B: Well, we talked about hunting. We're good with hunting. [01:13:29] Speaker A: Do you guys have a foundation with hammer horror films? [01:13:34] Speaker C: I've never built a house on it, but I've seen a few. [01:13:43] Speaker B: I like hammer horror. I've watched quite a few hammer horrors. They are not my favorite. There are people who really love it, and that's their preferred horror. For me, it's like, they're good. And I certainly like Christopher Lee. [01:14:00] Speaker A: I love Peter Cushing. [01:14:02] Speaker B: Peter Cushing. [01:14:03] Speaker A: Peter Vincent. [01:14:06] Speaker C: Yeah, supposedly, right? Vincent Price. Peter Cushing. [01:14:08] Speaker B: Vincent Price. Yeah. Can you do your Vincent Price for us, Michelangelo? [01:14:14] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, here we go. [01:14:16] Speaker B: It's pretty good. [01:14:17] Speaker A: It's pretty horrible. No, it was pretty good. [01:14:18] Speaker B: That one time when we did, I. [01:14:21] Speaker A: Didn'T work on it. I'm a person. I can do some. I can do some impersonations if I have some practice, but. Okay, here. Here it goes. Hello, I'm Vincent Price. Oh, my gosh. [01:14:36] Speaker C: Spot on. Wow. It's like I'm in the room. [01:14:39] Speaker B: Wow. [01:14:40] Speaker C: He came back from the grave somehow, you fool. [01:14:43] Speaker A: That isn't. No, that's terrible. God damn it. You got to give me warning. [01:14:48] Speaker B: But that was Vincent Price doing Vincent Price on Scooby Doo. That was pretty good. That's pretty good. He kind of hides himself. [01:14:57] Speaker A: We're not even close, Mickey. [01:15:00] Speaker B: Never mind. Cutting this out. Cutting this out. [01:15:04] Speaker A: Mickey, keep it in. Vincent Price. He's very hard to do. Chris, you do Vincent Price? [01:15:19] Speaker B: I don't even. [01:15:20] Speaker A: That was good. [01:15:26] Speaker C: Do you think that Vincent Price pitched the game show prices right to be all about him? [01:15:34] Speaker B: It's like he asks questions, the answer goes wrong. It's actually. That's who they wanted to be. [01:15:45] Speaker A: Yeah, he was a little too. A little too sick at the time. Interesting fact. Interesting fact. Take what you will from this, but Tom Holland did meet Vincent Price and his wife at Roddy McDowell's dinner night on a Wednesday night, which I thought. That's pretty interesting, because I feel like maybe Vincent Price was showing up at Roddy McDowell's. [01:16:11] Speaker B: That's all he probably attended. Both nights? [01:16:14] Speaker A: Yeah, both nights? [01:16:15] Speaker B: Yes. [01:16:20] Speaker C: What are you talking about? We should talk like this for the rest of it. Vincent Price is up here. [01:16:30] Speaker A: That's not Vincent Price. [01:16:31] Speaker C: Vincent Price the hawk? What is that? [01:16:33] Speaker B: Yeah, that was more. I was getting closer back to Ed. [01:16:40] Speaker A: Speaking of Vincent, of Peter Vincent, who was your Peter Vincent? [01:16:46] Speaker B: Chris? [01:16:46] Speaker A: I kind of feel like I know the answer to this already, but who was your Peter Vincent growing up? [01:16:51] Speaker C: Who was my horror host? The horror host? It would be Joe Bob. [01:16:54] Speaker A: Joe Bob, for sure, Mickey. [01:16:56] Speaker C: That being said, though, I did enjoy watching. Oh, fuck. I can't remember local Kansas City. It wasn't always horror films, but tv 62 in Kansas City on Saturday nights. It was a guy who had a car dealership who would host, like, yeah, but he did skits. It'd be like him wearing jungle gear and, like, a blow up python around his shoulder for some jungle film. It was cheesy as hell. [01:17:22] Speaker A: I remember him. Chris and I both grew up in the same region and was a. He was a guy who owned a car dealership, and he often did, like, an Indiana Jones esque type of thing, is how I remember him. [01:17:37] Speaker C: But, yeah, it ran the gambit of action to horror films. [01:17:43] Speaker A: Brilliant way to promote your dealership. Back then, if I had been in the age to buy a car and had money, I would have gone to him and just given him whatever he wanted. [01:17:57] Speaker C: Okay? [01:18:01] Speaker A: He's my Jerry, is what I'm saying. [01:18:04] Speaker C: Wow. [01:18:05] Speaker B: We found it. [01:18:06] Speaker C: So, listener, think of, like, an older man with, like, salt, pepper slick back hair, 80s horn rim glasses that were kind of squared off, and he'd be like, hey there. Tonight we're going to be talking about. [01:18:19] Speaker A: Wow, he's my Jerry Dandridge I really wanted to have sex with. [01:18:27] Speaker C: Note. [01:18:28] Speaker B: So I have three. Joe Bob Briggs was my first horror host because I grew up in small town suburb. The local tv station didn't have a horror host or a late night horror show. They had infomercials. So for me, it was Joe Bob Briggs and Monster vision. Then after discovering Elvira, she became kind of like my creme de la creme of what a whore host is because of her wit. More than anything. That's all I noticed as a teenage boy was just her wit. [01:19:02] Speaker A: Just her wit, bouncing wits. [01:19:08] Speaker B: And then when I moved to Pittsburgh as an adult, I worked at, actually, a radio tv station, KDKA, for those who don't know it. And there is a classic, one of the all time american greats, which is Chili Billy in his chiller theater and Chili Billy, well, Chili Billy was in the movie Night of the Living Dead. [01:19:31] Speaker C: Really? [01:19:31] Speaker B: Yes. His daughter is the star of Day of the Dead. Yeah, but Chili Billy in his chiller theater is so great because he plays it like a 1970s game host who just happens to be friends with all these monsters. He's like, hey, guys, it's me, Chili Billy, back on the chiller theater. Don't worry. We got a great one for you. And then he'd bring out all of his different guests that would be like a vampire type and a Frankenstein type, and he'd have some witty banter with them, and they go into the film. But he was so essential in Night of the living Dead getting out and just like what he did for George Romero and all those guys that I would be remiss to not mention him as we talk about horror hosts. So my first experience was Joe Bob. My creme de la creme is Elvira, but Chili Billy should be known in the lexicon of great horror hosts. [01:20:31] Speaker A: I also had. I mean, I still talk about him all the watch I subscribe to Shudder just for the last drive in with Joe Bob. But my second exposure, and when I lived in, like, I was like, I got to get home because Ben Guli's on tonight. Me, tv, Benguli, love him. And then, of course, once I discovered Elvira in her wits. [01:21:07] Speaker B: I love, love. I love her. Peterson's incredible. [01:21:11] Speaker C: Yeah, she's fantastic. [01:21:13] Speaker A: Did any of you guys have a tv in your room growing up? [01:21:17] Speaker C: Yeah, and when I was, like 16, it was like one of those, like, twelve inch color tvs with a rabbit antenna. [01:21:25] Speaker B: Yeah, Nikki, I got my first tv in my room when I was in 8th grade. [01:21:30] Speaker C: Yeah, it's about the same age for me, too. [01:21:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I bought my tv around that same age, too. [01:21:37] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, I got mine. Because it just happened. When I hit 8th grade, the final sibling had moved out. So it was like I adopted all the stuff around the house they left behind. My room became like. It was like all of a sudden I was like Ferris Bueller, man. I had like an old compact prosario. I had a tv. I had posters of Led Zeppelin and guns n'Roses. [01:22:05] Speaker A: I had a witness poster. Harrison Ford witness wings poster as well. [01:22:15] Speaker C: From your sister? [01:22:16] Speaker A: No, from my parents. It was like my parents poster. [01:22:19] Speaker C: Your parents passed on a witness and a wing poster to you? Yeah. Why? [01:22:26] Speaker A: I found them and they were like, oh, yeah, I guess we bought that. They got married when they were like 18 and like 20. [01:22:35] Speaker C: Really? Like that witness. Really? [01:22:37] Speaker A: I didn't have any money for posters of my generation, so I was like, it's a poster. I had a zenith tv that was colored with the antenna and it was like no remote. You had to press the four buttons. [01:22:53] Speaker B: Sad for you that you inherited Harrison Ford face on the poster of witness. I inherited, like, alyssa Milano. I inherited, like, my brothers had the good stuff. They had the good stuff. They had the goods. [01:23:07] Speaker C: I don't know. Harrison Ford's got. That's true. [01:23:12] Speaker A: Harrison Ford's pretty sexy. He's on par with Harry Dandridge in that movie. He deflowers, an he doesn't deflower her. But, yeah, I think he hooks up with her. She's divorced. She's divorced. Her husband died or something like that. And the bad guy, the long haired bad guy from diehard is in that movie as like, I don't trust this guy who's not Amish. [01:23:37] Speaker C: He gets picked on by the tourist. Right? [01:23:39] Speaker B: The russian ballet dancer. [01:23:40] Speaker A: Was he a russian ballet dancer? [01:23:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Really? That's like the big thing. He's a beautiful artist of dance and movement that was picked to be the know the heel in a bunch of action movies in America. Yeah. So soundtrack? [01:24:02] Speaker C: Hell, yeah. All the way, Chris, it rules between Brad defiedel is amazing. [01:24:11] Speaker B: Synthesizer. [01:24:12] Speaker C: The score. This film is so freaking good. It is sexy. It's a little scary, man. [01:24:20] Speaker B: It's perfect. [01:24:21] Speaker C: You got fantastic songs by Sparks Devo. [01:24:27] Speaker A: Is that sparks brother brothers or. [01:24:29] Speaker C: No, they just go by sparks. They're not brothers. They're not technically related. [01:24:35] Speaker B: Right? [01:24:35] Speaker C: Are they really? [01:24:36] Speaker A: Well, there is Sparks brothers, right? Isn't that something different? [01:24:40] Speaker C: Maybe. [01:24:41] Speaker B: I've watched the documentary, and I do believe they are brothers. [01:24:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:24:46] Speaker B: But Edgar Wright. Yeah. [01:24:47] Speaker C: I haven't watched it. [01:24:48] Speaker B: This is a good Sparks brothers. [01:24:50] Speaker A: I didn't realize. I didn't realize they were on this. [01:24:52] Speaker B: It's really good. It's really good, actually. And there's a song called dicking around that I put on daily for Molly, because whenever I'm doing stuff, she's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'll just do it in song. And I was like, all day long, I'm dicking around. Nothing to do. Just a dicking around. It's a great song. [01:25:14] Speaker A: Molly is the voice of the podcast, by the way, for those of you who don't know. [01:25:19] Speaker B: And also, she's the one that looks at me and know you have to work and make money. And I'm like, yeah, I know, but I just want to dick around. [01:25:28] Speaker A: So for the listener who doesn't know, by the way, Mickey is a badass. He has his military career, he has his acting career, and he has his dicking around career. Dicking around career, which is like a production company, which is very. [01:25:48] Speaker B: Not easy. [01:25:50] Speaker A: You bust your ass. [01:25:51] Speaker B: You're not dicking around, dude. [01:25:53] Speaker A: I just wanted to say, mickey, this is dicking around. The video store is dicking around. Mickey has many careers, man. He's a renaissance man. [01:26:06] Speaker B: Go back to the soundtrack. Thank you for that. Michelangelo always makes me uncomfortable. Continue. [01:26:12] Speaker A: Whenever I compliment Mickey gets very uncomfortable, and I get an erection. [01:26:17] Speaker C: I think it's true for all three of us. None of us are really, like, compliments. Well, maybe you, Michelangelo. [01:26:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:26] Speaker A: Fuck you, you son of a bitch. [01:26:29] Speaker C: But no, just real quick soundtrack. It's actually like if you. The scene in the club is practically like the majority of the soundtrack. It's all condensed down, so it's like little clips. So the first song in the club is armies of the night by Sparks goes into Ian Hunter's good man, which is this really cheesy 80s rock song. That's great. That bad time by Evelyn King or. No, actually, yeah. Then Evelyn kings. Give it up. And finally, autographs. You can't hide. You can't run, you can't hide. [01:27:00] Speaker B: It's great. [01:27:01] Speaker C: Pretty fantastic. [01:27:02] Speaker B: But, yeah. [01:27:02] Speaker C: No, the soundtrack is awesome. It's out there. I highly recommend it. Perfect example of 80s soundtracks. [01:27:09] Speaker B: Agreed. 100%. Yeah. [01:27:15] Speaker A: Do you guys know of, or have you seen the documentary? [01:27:20] Speaker C: You're so cool, Brewster. [01:27:22] Speaker A: The story of. [01:27:30] Speaker C: Good. [01:27:30] Speaker A: Now do it as Vincent Price. [01:27:32] Speaker B: Oh, here you go. [01:27:33] Speaker A: You're so cool, Bruce. [01:27:35] Speaker B: I can't do Vincent Price right hand. [01:27:39] Speaker C: Not terrible. Don't beat yourself up on that. That was not bad. [01:27:44] Speaker B: If we were doing a Vincent Price film right now, both of us, I think, would be pretty solid at capturing the essence of that voice because he has such a. [01:27:55] Speaker A: Absolutely. [01:27:57] Speaker C: You got to have input. [01:27:59] Speaker B: Yeah. I haven't listened to Vincent Price in months, maybe a year. [01:28:06] Speaker A: Get your shit together. [01:28:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:28:08] Speaker A: That's all I have to say. [01:28:10] Speaker B: No, I've not seen the documentary. [01:28:14] Speaker A: It's a two parter. I've only seen the first part because I actually haven't seen this. And this brings us to sequels and remakes before we finish out. [01:28:25] Speaker B: I have seen the sequel. I have not. I've not wanted to see it. [01:28:30] Speaker A: I know the guy who's the bad guy, and Cobra is in it. [01:28:34] Speaker C: Yeah, I saw the castle. [01:28:38] Speaker B: The female Jerry in the second movie is like. At the time when I watched it, it was like, oh, that's cool. But I think kind of like, looking back at it now, I'm like, that was fucking badass. That, more than anything, speaks to a modern viewing than the original film does. It's actually. The sequel is about essentially the Jerry character is. I can't remember what the name of the female is, but she's got all that swagger. And they're in metropolitan New York City, I believe. And there are a lot of different types of monsters involved in it as well, not just the vampire. So it kind of, like, gets into, like. It makes the world bigger. It's pretty cool. [01:29:29] Speaker A: I would have liked to have seen Tom Holland's cinematic universe, of the monster, of what hammer did with the universal monsters. Right. I would have liked to have seen what Tom Holland would have done with that sort of genuine affection and sincerity, love and care put into these films, but with humor, like, very approachable, not hardcore horror films, like, what he would have done with all the monsters that would have been. [01:30:09] Speaker C: Moving on to a lot of different projects. And he was dabbling. [01:30:16] Speaker A: He had child's play going on, so that canceled out Tom Holland and Chris Randon. And evil Ed was supposed to come back, but he wanted to star in Robert England's nine seven six, evil. And then, of course, Amy's character was supposed to come back. But that actress, Amanda went on to great success for a decade with. Married, with children. [01:30:51] Speaker C: Oh, go just. [01:30:53] Speaker A: I've always written off the sequel because I was like, I love the original so much. You don't want to taint the original with this shitty sequel. But I've seen the original so many times. You know what I mean? It's like, maybe I should give this a. [01:31:14] Speaker B: Think. I think that you will be pleasantly surprised that it's not as crappy as maybe sequels tend to. And I just looked it up. Julie Carmen, who plays Regine Dandridge, is pretty freaking amazing. [01:31:31] Speaker A: And did you. It's a pretty interesting story. So Roddy McDowell was all behind, like, a fright night three. And then the guy who ran the company, the film company that was produced fright night two, his two sons killed him and his wife murdered them. And they have a name that's very similar to the Menendez, but it's not the. It's like, it's very weird. I was looking it up. I'm like, this. Is this actually true? I don't know if it's true. This is Wikipedia. So I don't know if it's true. But that happened. And it put like, that affected fright night two and then that affected the eventual fright night three that was going to happen. [01:32:24] Speaker B: Well, are you aware that the director of, and this is stuff I'm just coming to right now because I looked it up, but that Tommy Lee Wallace directed Fright night two and you might know him from it, the tv miniseries directed that? Yeah, kind of awesome. And then he also directed a little known film called Halloween three, season of. [01:32:47] Speaker A: The Witch I love. [01:32:49] Speaker B: I know. [01:32:50] Speaker A: Maybe that'll come up later. [01:32:52] Speaker B: Yeah. All I'm saying is we'll find out is that the it tv miniseries played a big role in my childhood as well as Halloween three, season of the Witch latter in my life. But my point being is that I think a Tommy Lee Wallace film is worthy of watching and written still by Tom Holland and really good lead female antagonist. [01:33:20] Speaker A: Let me ask you this. Do you think Jerry, when he drinks the vial of holy water, that's pretty to trust, for him to trust that this Peter Vincent, really, that this is not holy water. He kind of takes it and he looks, like, over the fire kind of looks at it, and he's like, I wonder if he's using his vampire senses to somehow figure out, like, okay, I know he's not lying. I know Peter Vincent's not lying. And I can kind of see what's going on with this water, so I'm going to drink it. But had that been holy water, right. That would have really fucked them up. That was very bold of Jerry to do. [01:34:10] Speaker B: And obviously this is my own, like, I'm adding all this in, but. But I also kind of felt like it's one of those things where it's like, this is not his first rodeo. And he's been around these snake oil salesmen for a couple of centuries where one pops up and they're like, yes, I kill vampires. And yes, I can do this, and I can exercise ghosts out of people. And he's like, I know the routine. So I know this guy is. And maybe it is his senses, whether they are senses that he's adopted over the years of being faced with this or it's senses that are heightened because he's a vampire, but he can see in this guy, when he shows up, he's like, this is not a threat to me. This person is cowardly and weak. And if he says it's not holy water, it's not holy water. And regardless, I'd destroy this person in an instant anyway. [01:35:05] Speaker C: I feel like it's reiterated. I feel like in a lot of different actions, though, that Jerry has a lot of hubris from that being around the block as a vampire for so long that I think that to that, you know, kind of the club, uh, Charlie says the thing about something about killing him, he's like, I don't want to kill you. I want you to get Peter Vincent and come to my house. Because it's almost like the role of those people, right? Like the fake vampire hunter or the snake oil salesman are almost like an insult to him. And so he wants to destroy all of them because it's like he has such high hubris and he's insulted by their mere presence. And so I think that, yeah, I mean, it is kind of a foolish move a bit. It's like a needless risk taking. But I think that's also who that character is. A bit that just like the safety precautions have fallen off because it's been hundreds, thousands of years, whatever. [01:36:12] Speaker A: The house, the whole, the whole opening of this film, like the Columbia pictures, the old Columbia pictures, like, title card thing, and then the neighborhood. I want to live in that neighborhood. I want to take moonlit nightly. [01:36:30] Speaker B: Do you know the other film that was shot on that particular lot in that neighborhood? Well, it's a Disney lot, but do you know what other movie was shot there? A movie I think that you have a strong love for the burbs, right? The burbs, yeah, there was a lot. [01:36:46] Speaker A: Of classic stuff shot there, but the burbs will be talking about at some point. Yeah, fucking love the burbs. Love the burbs. But, like, oh, God, I love the neighborhood that they create that street. What a great matte painting, by the way, that this is shot in Culver City. I've been there many times, and there's this beautiful. [01:37:19] Speaker C: While you were there, too. [01:37:21] Speaker B: That's only for, like, big a list actors, right? [01:37:24] Speaker A: Yeah, there's some pretty cool actors who would be there. But that's a matte painting. When they're doing during the daytime, they're doing that. In the nighttime, they're doing that shot. It's like of the street. There is a portion of that shot that's a matte painting of suburbia. Because in the background it's like downtown LA. [01:37:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Incredible. [01:37:53] Speaker C: I think you touched base on it. But the special effects in this film is great considering the time. [01:37:58] Speaker B: The practical effects are wonderful. [01:38:01] Speaker C: And then I don't know if you've read about too, but it was like hell on the actors. Fucking evil. [01:38:06] Speaker A: Ed had to go through his transaction, amazed 18 hours. He was like, they gave me a pill. I don't remember a lot of it, but I do remember that it was, like, fucking awful. [01:38:20] Speaker B: They were going to put foam in his mouth. Have you read this? They were going to put foam in Evelyn's mouth, and instead they gave him the prosthetic glue and didn't realize it. And he was gluing his mouth shut while it was in his. Yeah, yeah. And then there was also the story. And this kind of goes back to Christopher Sarandon, but he gone through the whole makeup chair, spent the whole day in it. And they were getting into this period of time where you're going to be paying so much overtime for your actors and your crew that you just don't really want to ever get there as a production. And he came out and they're like, sorry, we cannot shoot this scene now. He'd been in the chair all day, and he goes, said, okay, I'm going to take myself off. [01:39:01] Speaker C: Thank you. [01:39:01] Speaker B: And Charlie, the actor who plays Charlie, was like, in that moment, I was like, how can this person be so cool to have sat in the chair all day and just been okay with this? I thought that was really telling of Christopher Sarandon. [01:39:17] Speaker A: Poor William Ragsdale. He injured himself on the set. [01:39:22] Speaker B: His ankle. [01:39:23] Speaker A: Yeah, like broke. And like, as a, uh. If you watch you're so cool. Brewster. The story of fright night, he talks about. There was, like, a producer who would show up as a result of that and just be whispering to him, $100,000. $100,000. That's what this is costing right now. [01:39:49] Speaker B: Really? [01:39:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:39:55] Speaker B: I didn't know that story. That story is crazy. But I had heard that they were pretty much left to their own devices for this. [01:40:01] Speaker A: They were. So it was like the last thing on the slate for that year. Right. And they were. Which allowed them to create this unique thing that they were able to make. They were thinking perfect. Was going to be the John Travolta, Jamie Lee Curtis thing. Was going to be, like the thing. [01:40:22] Speaker B: Right. That does have the best memes of any. [01:40:28] Speaker A: Back and forth to each other. [01:40:29] Speaker B: All the time, all day long. [01:40:31] Speaker A: None of Jamie Lee Curtis. [01:40:32] Speaker B: All of John Travolta. [01:40:34] Speaker A: Yeah, all John Travolta. But that was like, a situation where it's like he broke his ankle, so it was caught. I mean, like, literally, like, film productions are, like, so expensive, and when you hold something up, it costs a lot of money. So it's like, sure, it literally was costing that much money per extra day that they had to drag this on, but it's also, like, a really dick move to do to somebody who's a. [01:41:06] Speaker B: Young actor, and he heard back its money. So it's like, this movie made money. [01:41:14] Speaker A: Oh, like crazy. Made back its money. Like crazy. So speaking of money, the video store, who are we going to recommend this movie to? [01:41:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:41:26] Speaker A: Gotta make this kind of money. [01:41:32] Speaker B: Chris is really doing, like, a very. [01:41:34] Speaker A: Genuine smile on that joke. [01:41:38] Speaker B: I'm going to lick your well again. Stop it, you two. Stop it. [01:41:45] Speaker C: Oh, man. I would recommend this film to almost anyone and everyone. I love this film. It's so much fun, especially, I think, again, on a rewatch when it's been a little bit of time since I've seen it all the way. It's one of those things, like, you see bits and pieces, but to see it from top to bottom, there's so much. And I mean, on Rewatch, too, Amanda Burst is so good. I love that they do that great cut of him being like William Ragsdale being like, it's a vampire to his mom and her going, what? And it cuts to Amanda Burst going, what? And then she does this little, like, is this just a story that you're making up to get back with me? I loved it. It was so sharp that she had. [01:42:40] Speaker A: When she's like, I was going to make love to you. Hi, Mrs. Bruce. Charlie, I'm ready. She's great. [01:42:54] Speaker C: I mean, she's had a fantastic career, but it's quite honestly, in rewatching this, it's a shame that she didn't get more opportunities to be a lead in things. [01:43:02] Speaker A: The double edged sword of, like, getting cast in a television show. She got cast, neighbor. [01:43:11] Speaker B: How they did Marcy Darcy. [01:43:13] Speaker A: Yeah. That's who she was known as for the rest of her career. And it was like, it gave her a decade of great. [01:43:20] Speaker B: Yep. [01:43:20] Speaker A: But it also typecasted her as the. [01:43:24] Speaker B: Annoying Karen before there was a really. [01:43:33] Speaker A: She's so much more than know. And this movie, she's know. Like, Hollywood Land's a crazy place. And I had a relatively good time considering. Considering a lot of that has to do because of this film. [01:43:52] Speaker B: And I will also tell you, if you go back and you watch Mary with children, her comedic beats are as good as anybody's on that show. She nails the comedy. She knows the show she's in. She's playing everything. You can't have that show without her. [01:44:10] Speaker C: She directed, like, 30 some od episodes, too. [01:44:13] Speaker B: I did not know that. [01:44:15] Speaker C: Yeah, it kind of sucks, right? Because that show typecaster. But it also helped launch her career than behind the camera. So it's kind of, again, two streets to it. [01:44:24] Speaker B: But getting back to any success in this career is tough. Yeah. She's done well, but she deserves it. [01:44:34] Speaker C: Hell, yeah. Also, too, real quick, did you guys know Jonathan Stark, who plays Billy Cole? Did you look up his career? [01:44:41] Speaker B: I have not. [01:44:42] Speaker C: It is really interesting. Like, he wrote on a lot of sitcoms. He wrote the infamous Ellen DeGeneres coming out episode on Ellen. [01:44:50] Speaker A: Really? [01:44:51] Speaker C: And he was the show. [01:44:53] Speaker A: Wrote the coming out episode for Alan. [01:44:56] Speaker C: Well, I'm sure it was a team, but he's credited as being the head writer for it. Wrote on, like, murphy Brown, a handful. [01:45:03] Speaker B: Of sitcoms, according to Jim. [01:45:05] Speaker C: He created. According to Jim. Yeah. [01:45:08] Speaker B: Which. [01:45:08] Speaker C: Michelangelo, you've always said that Jim's your favorite. [01:45:14] Speaker B: I have had. [01:45:15] Speaker A: I have had dinner with Jim Belushi. He was fantastic. He was entertaining. It was very nice. Mickey, who do you recommend to? [01:45:26] Speaker B: Well, I don't think Chris finished what you're saying. [01:45:30] Speaker A: Trying to fucking wrap this up. [01:45:32] Speaker C: Chris, I'm sorry. No, I was just going to say. I would say this, though. It's interesting. Right? And, like, Mickey, maybe this is a good question for you with having a 14 year old son. I'm curious. So this was huge to me, being a teenager, early teenager, late teenager. And kind of coming not from the 80s. But kind of having that runoff from it. I'm curious if something like fright Night would be such a standout film to a modern 14 year old. [01:46:03] Speaker B: I don't know, without actually doing the experiment and having him watch it and ask him what he thinks about it. But I think so. I think this one stands the test of time. I think that there's something timeless about it, although I did spend, like, a whole 15 minutes segment of our show talking about how it's of its time. But I do think that the themes and the sexiness and what it says about sexuality in some ways is timeless because it looks at masculinity in a lot of different ways. I can't say that. It just says that the movie paints masculinity as something very black and white. So, yeah, I would love to see what he thinks. I think that he would probably find it to be awesome, to be honest. It's like there's something about films right now that I'm seeing a trend with him, especially where outside of, he loves anime, but he also loves practical effects because he grew up in the marvelization of the world, which is like, he loved Marvel as a kid. We both did. We both would go see all the movies, and we loved all the way through Endgame. And there was something, though, that as they continue to produce these things, he's kind of, like, burnt out on seeing big explosions and large cg. And rather, he's more inclined to like something like, what's it called? The Gillymock or whatever, that movie that came out. That's, like, really lo fi. There's like, this independent horror film that came out recently that's really lo fi. And it's like all the kids his age are just, like, obsessed with it. But it is like. I mean, it's lo fi in the sense that it looks like it was shot on, like, a VHS home camcorder. So I think there is something about practical effects that will never lose its thrill because it feels tangible. It feels in front of your face. Even if it comes off a little cheesy or not quite right, there's still something malleable about it, right? There's like, that's in the real world. Even if it's fake, it's real, right. And not rendered in some 3d mapping technology. So, anyway, point being, I think it would work on him. I don't want to speak for him, but I think this movie has an appeal to all people, all ages, at all times. So if you ask me who I'd recommend it to, not to steal from Chris, but I would definitely say that young horror fans, you'll love it. Old horror fans, you'll love it. It's a great horror treat for all. And it's not so scary that you're going to tell somebody who, because there are people that don't like jump scares and the thrills of horror, I think that this would be something they could still watch and enjoy. Michelangelo, your recommendation? [01:49:12] Speaker A: I'm going to disagree with you guys. It's a very inclusive thing. This is only for my sexy. [01:49:26] Speaker B: Customers. I think all of our customers are sexy. [01:49:30] Speaker A: No. [01:49:32] Speaker C: Christopher walkens back. [01:49:36] Speaker B: He has a book. He's been ranking our customers. I'm so sorry, customers. This is not the way business should be run. [01:49:41] Speaker A: Sexy. Not sexy. [01:49:46] Speaker B: Oh, man, you're so cool. [01:49:49] Speaker C: Michelangelo. [01:49:53] Speaker A: Jerry Dandridge, what are you doing dressed as Dracula? [01:50:01] Speaker C: Better fish to fry. [01:50:03] Speaker A: I got bad fish to fry. Guys, I got to say, it goes without saying that. [01:50:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:50:18] Speaker A: If you're coming into the video store and you haven't seen this, this is a treat. And if you haven't seen it in a while, watch it again. It's for everybody. [01:50:28] Speaker B: It's great. [01:50:31] Speaker A: It's entryway, it's classic. It's all these things. It's lightning in a bottle. It's fun. It's entertaining. Yeah, it's for everyone. [01:50:44] Speaker B: It's up there with like gremlins and killer clowns. It's like it's got something that's kind of just working right. It's people who love their job, love this genre, and you can tell that they did because they put their love and joy into this thing that hopefully, which is a rare thing, jumps off the screen and also makes you love something. 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