FRIDAY THE 13TH PART VII: The New Blood (1988)

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome, listener, to the return slot of horror, a podcast. [00:00:12] Speaker B: Mama, mama, mama mama mama, mama. [00:00:17] Speaker A: Recorded by myself, Michelangelo, and Mickey in the basement of our video store. After hours, when the doors are locked, the vhs are rewound in the moon is glowing pale blue on a brisk and breezy night, we like to hang out in the basement, light a scented candle, crack open a drink, and discuss our beloved genre, horror. Every episode, we invite you to join us for a frosty libation as we discuss a film selected from one of our painstakingly curated subsections of the video store. Mickey, can you elaborate on that for anyone who might not know what the heck I'm talking about? [00:00:52] Speaker B: Of course. And I believe you said eprasode. Did you say episode? [00:00:55] Speaker A: I did, I did. You know, I was hoping maybe we would skirt through it and no one would notice it, but sure. [00:01:00] Speaker B: I mean, only a real friend points that out. That's the. Yeah. [00:01:06] Speaker A: If I got a booger hanging out of my nose, I want you to let me know. I got a booger hanging out on my nose. [00:01:12] Speaker B: So. So for this episode, back in the day, before there was streaming and before Blockbuster, there were these independent video stores. And to appease the appetites of movie nerds like myself and Michelangelo, they would fill their shelves with anything they'd get their hands on. But especially my favorite, those video nasties, these mom and pop shops were responsible for taking the horror genre from limited theater runs and late night drive ins to every rural town, suburb, and camp in America. But what really made these video stores special were the people working in the store, curating personalized sections based on their interests and the interests of their patrons. Recommendations based on conversations, not algorithms. So here at the return slot, so here at the return slide of horror. No, we keep that spirit alive and strong, and we hope you enjoy perusing our sections and joining in our conversations. [00:02:22] Speaker A: I'm gonna warn the listener, none of us know how to talk. We're drinking. Oh, yeah, we're having a drink. This is a hangout. Drink and talk about horror movies with your friends. Podcast. This podcast is just as much about us as it is about the horror films that we love. That's right. So, yeah, tonight, very super special, wonderful Earth sign guest of the podcast this evening. Tonight we are joined by. I couldn't come up with anything. Let's workshop. [00:03:09] Speaker B: Former former camp counselor. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Former camp counselor specialist. Chris. [00:03:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:15] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:03:16] Speaker A: Thank you for having me. [00:03:23] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a camp counselor consultant. He travels around the country consulting to camp counselors. [00:03:30] Speaker A: He is the one. So, like, when camp counselors get in trouble for getting. He's the one who shuffles them around, comes. [00:03:37] Speaker B: Here's what you do. Yeah, here's how you get, like, on. [00:03:40] Speaker C: Their union rep. Am I. [00:03:42] Speaker A: No, you're like. You're like the diocese. The church diocese that moved all the priests around. [00:03:49] Speaker B: That's it. [00:03:50] Speaker A: I don't know who does that. I don't know. I don't know if that's, like, the cardinal who's in charge of that. I don't know how that system works. It's a pretty efficient system if you look. Okay, okay, okay. [00:04:05] Speaker B: Okay. [00:04:05] Speaker A: So on our Chris, thanks for joining us again. [00:04:08] Speaker C: Thanks, buddy. Thanks for having me. Pleasure to be here for this amazing film. [00:04:14] Speaker B: Aha. Correct answer. Correct answer. [00:04:18] Speaker A: I know. Not hearing sarcasm. I know. That was a legit. [00:04:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:23] Speaker A: So before we get to tonight's film, boys, blaz, what are we drinking tonight? Mickey, what do you. What do you got there? [00:04:37] Speaker B: I'm drinking a. Called Summer Water. It's a rose summer water. Yeah, but it's a summer water in honor of. Hey, summertime. It's where we went straight from camp, not a voorhees to camp. Very voorhees. And I'm enjoying myself. [00:04:57] Speaker A: That's great. [00:04:58] Speaker B: That's it. Summer water. That's it. There's a lot of summer water in this movie. [00:05:03] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And because it's definitely the summertime in this movie, Chris, do you make a spooky cocktail for this evening? [00:05:14] Speaker C: I've got a little something. Yeah, you know, it's. These are some hot summer days, or depending upon when this podcast video is released, it might be some cold autumn nights or possibly winter or maybe spring. [00:05:29] Speaker A: Know if it's going to be a video, we don't know if this one's going to be a video. [00:05:32] Speaker C: Okay. Or a podcast at all signals they get. Really. I don't know what the hell's going on, but I'm calling this from my favorite quote, rejected by some of the finest science fiction magazines in the continental United States. A little. A little beer ice cream floats. Take on a beer ice cream float. At least I've got. This is a new glaris, lots of peach, 21, a heavy peach flavored lager. And then I've got some frozen greek yogurt that I put on top for a nice little creamy, delicious. [00:06:13] Speaker A: Like a diarrhea bomb for Mickey and I. Yeah, true. And the fact that we would drink, like, six of them. [00:06:23] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I'm lactose intolerant. I get all that up in me and we got some serious problems. [00:06:28] Speaker A: He. For, like, a year, he was drinking a glass of milk before bed and being like, I don't know why my. [00:06:33] Speaker B: Stomach hurts, why I'm waking up in the morning. [00:06:40] Speaker C: Why are you drinking a glass of milk at night? [00:06:43] Speaker B: It was actually a thing. So this is gonna sound so stupid. So I'd gotten into the habit of having a nightcap every night, and I was like, this can't be healthy. I mean, every night I'm having a night. This is like, this may have been right before the pandemic. May have been first part of the pandemic. So I was like, I gotta find something else. What else else is very satisfying. I was like, you know what? I remember being a kid loving a glass of, like, you know, milk. So I'd have a glass of milk every night before bed to replace my nightcap, and did not work out well for me at all. Yeah, I had stomachaches. I. That really was, like, I had already kind of suspected I was lactose intolerant. But that was really the tipping point, where I realized, this is. This is the no go for me. [00:07:26] Speaker A: I think if it's maybe one of our Christmas episodes, we talk about that. [00:07:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:35] Speaker B: So I did sobriety and went straight back to the nightcaps. [00:07:38] Speaker C: There you go. That milk is bad for you. [00:07:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Listen, for all you young kids out there, milk sucks booze. Awesome. [00:07:46] Speaker A: Bourbon filled. [00:07:47] Speaker C: Strong bones. [00:07:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:50] Speaker A: I like Chris. Chris, you're getting some protein in with your beer, which is good. [00:07:54] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah. Beats, you know, using. Just eating a whole bunch of slim jims. I drink beer because, like, I got. [00:08:00] Speaker B: To help balance the protein intake. Yeah, he's watching his tea, man. I gotta make sure you get to get extra protein for my tea, you know? Cause the person who needs the most tea in this room is definitely Chris. [00:08:13] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. He's got this giant beard. [00:08:16] Speaker B: Yep. [00:08:17] Speaker A: Right now, he's rocking the giant beard. It's really grown out nicely. I like it. I like it. Looking good, looking good. So what? Aired a spooky cocktail myself. Holy shit. [00:08:32] Speaker B: Says a lot about this movie for you to go to that extent. Yeah, I think. Yep, it does. [00:08:38] Speaker A: That's. I needed to distract myself with something creative. [00:08:45] Speaker B: Shots fired. [00:08:46] Speaker A: Oh, no, this is. This is. This is called the crazy Ralph. Oh, okay. And it's Mountain Dew, Pepsi and gin. That's amazing. [00:09:01] Speaker B: Mountain Dew, peco and gin. [00:09:05] Speaker A: But I use the Zevia version. [00:09:07] Speaker C: Wait, they make Zevia makes version? [00:09:10] Speaker B: Mountain Dew? [00:09:11] Speaker C: Yeah. What's Zevia? Mountain Dew. [00:09:13] Speaker A: I forget. I think it's called Mountain Dew. Or I can't remember what it's called. Uh, they make, like a mountain dew. They make a doctor pepper. They make a coke or Pepsi. Uh, um, uh, but you know, coke, Mountain Dew and Pepsi. Because in the movie, it's starting to sound, uh. [00:09:28] Speaker C: This is starting to sound a bit like, uh, your mom saying, like, no, we got McDonald's at home. [00:09:39] Speaker B: No, check. Cole is exactly like. I talked to Peppa. [00:09:43] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. It's the same. [00:09:46] Speaker A: It's like my shoes. I had Mikey's, not Nike's. [00:09:49] Speaker C: Yeah, there you go. The bottom is supposed to come off. [00:09:56] Speaker A: Not like that. [00:09:58] Speaker C: Oh, boy. [00:10:00] Speaker A: Oh, boy. But that's. That's what I'm drinking. So tonight is a special episode because we just finished the camp Nadavoorhees section of the video store, and then we did. This will actually come out before the special YouTube exclusive episode we recorded, which releases on YouTube August 10. And where can they go to find that Mickey, you can go to YouTube. [00:10:31] Speaker B: And the return slot of horror pod on the youtubes. [00:10:36] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:10:37] Speaker B: Go to YouTube and search return slot of horror pod. And then we're on the red tower entertainments, you know. [00:10:44] Speaker A: And we talked about Friday 13th part three. [00:10:47] Speaker B: Yeah, we talked about the old deal. [00:10:49] Speaker A: Number three wanted to do another Friday the 13th like I did one of my faves. And we're talking about tonight. We're talking about Mickey's favorite Friday the 13th, 1980. Eight's. Friday the 13th part seven, the new blood, aka. Go ahead. [00:11:11] Speaker B: No, continue, continue. [00:11:12] Speaker A: Okay, so this is my fucking intro, dude. [00:11:15] Speaker B: I got my intro, but you kind of fucked up my fucking thing. Okay, go ahead. [00:11:18] Speaker A: Oh, well, no, no, go ahead, then. [00:11:20] Speaker B: No, no, please finish your intro. I don't want to. I don't interrupt your intro. [00:11:25] Speaker A: 1980, Mickey's favorite Friday the 13th, 1980. Eight's. Friday the 13th part seven, the new blood, aka Friday the 13th. Jason's destroyer, aka birthday Bash, aka Carrie versus Jason, directed by the late, great John Carl Beechler, who did special effects makeup on, like, a bunch of Stuart Gordon films and worked both in the nightmare franchise and the Halloween franchise. But this was his stab at the Freddy the 13th franchise as director. And we'll get into all that stuff. Mickey, what were. So. I'm sorry I stepped on your toes. But, like, what? [00:12:10] Speaker B: No, that's fine. Go ahead. [00:12:12] Speaker C: Can I interject with something? [00:12:14] Speaker B: Please interject. [00:12:15] Speaker C: Everybody's like, I love whatever. It's like the late, great infamous Bob Smythe. [00:12:28] Speaker A: Well, it's pronounced differently than it's written. [00:12:31] Speaker C: I'm sure it is. [00:12:32] Speaker B: I just. [00:12:36] Speaker A: Bueche. It's pronounced Beecher. It doesn't look like it would be pronounced that way. But if you go to Wikipedia. [00:12:44] Speaker B: Hey, people at home listening, if you think other than Beechler, please write down what you think. Write it out phonetically so we know what you're thinking of, whether it's Buchler, whether it's buckler, or whether it's Beckler. Michelangelo is saying Beechler, so please weigh in. Audience. [00:13:03] Speaker A: I didn't come up with Beechler. This is what's on Wikipedia. [00:13:06] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. [00:13:09] Speaker A: Gee, speaking of giving me a hard time. [00:13:13] Speaker B: Usually this is. [00:13:14] Speaker A: This is Michelangelo's clubhouse party basement. Like, it's got a whole fucking long ass awesome name. We do trivia for entrance, but Chris gave me such a fucking hard time about that last night. Last time. We won't do it anymore, I guess. It's a fucking annoying he he. [00:13:31] Speaker B: You are so. It is such a strange thing for you to let go of, like, any part. Like, even just that intro. That intro is going to come and play here in just a second, and you're going to be like, yeah, you know, I should have just kind of like, you know, gone with the flow, but I had to try to be in control. So you're not literally. We are not in. Michelangelo, you're so awesome. My 13th basement, you know, party house, you know, tree house of, you know, birthday bash, whatever that thing is called. No, we're in Mickey's Friday 13th basement. Super secret society fan club. It is different and it's more exclusive, and it is better to be in. And guess what? You're not just. You're not getting free entry, buddy. You gotta answer some questions. Okay? [00:14:22] Speaker C: Means testing. There we go. [00:14:25] Speaker B: This is gonna test your knowledge of Friday 13th. Okay? I've been put through the ringer. What. What's the level? [00:14:34] Speaker A: What's the level of hardness? [00:14:36] Speaker B: Okay, no, I'll say a one being. I don't know anything about Friday 13th. A ten being. I. Not only do I know everything, but I am the end all, be all person. Friday 13th. I think this hovers around a six. [00:14:49] Speaker A: Oh, Jesus Christ, Chris. You're not gonna get any of these. Huh? [00:14:52] Speaker B: Well, no, no, Chris, I gave it to him earlier and he passed. Every single one, answered everyone correctly. [00:14:56] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, I nailed it. [00:14:59] Speaker B: He's already in the basement. I mean, he's here. He got it. [00:15:02] Speaker C: That's why I got this party hat on. [00:15:04] Speaker A: Do you know, it was weird that you set up my microphone, like, on the first step of the staircase. I thought that was weird. [00:15:12] Speaker B: I didn't. I means tested him earlier, and he passed with flying colors. You know, actually, you might want to be nice to him because he might be your only saving grace in this test. And so for this test, it's very simple. I've got ten questions. If you answer eight correct, you're in. If you don't answer no, no, no, not 13. Only ten. Okay. [00:15:32] Speaker A: Only ten. [00:15:33] Speaker B: Because ten is all I could come up with in the amount of time. I don't have all the time that you do to get in. Okay, I'm being on ten questions. You're either in or you're out. And let's face it, I think you're probably gonna do great. All right. [00:15:46] Speaker A: Okay. Don't, like, if these are questions, like, what is this character's name? Or who is the director of that? I'm gonna. None of this is gonna work out. [00:15:54] Speaker B: No, no. I mean, these are. These are objective questions. [00:15:57] Speaker C: The film's not worried about that. So. [00:16:02] Speaker B: There'S nothing subjective about any of this. It's all easily researchable. Everybody. You can fact check me if you want. [00:16:09] Speaker A: What I said isn't objective. [00:16:10] Speaker B: I was like, no, I'm just letting you know. I'm just letting you know that this is stuff that you should know. You should just know. [00:16:17] Speaker A: I should know. Okay. [00:16:18] Speaker B: Okay. [00:16:19] Speaker A: Did you start. Does it start out easy? And then it goes in difficulty? [00:16:23] Speaker B: Don't worry about it. I catered this thing to you, so if you can't pass it, then I'm gonna be shocked. [00:16:29] Speaker C: I feel like someone doesn't like getting questions asked, which is interesting. [00:16:35] Speaker A: I love getting questions asked, but I just, like. I'm trying to berate you with as many questions as possible. [00:16:40] Speaker B: So. So before we start, though, there's one rule on my thing which I do allow. Two. At any point, you're allowed two lifelines. One is phone a friend. That friend is Chris. The second one is, you can ask a stranger. That stranger is Chris. [00:16:54] Speaker A: So I can't. I can't ask one of the two other people who sometimes show up in the basement? [00:17:01] Speaker B: No. Well, I mean, if. If you ask that person, somebody steps in, I'll allow that. But. [00:17:05] Speaker A: But you're. [00:17:06] Speaker B: You're really only reliant on Chris at this point. [00:17:09] Speaker A: Okay. [00:17:10] Speaker B: Okay. [00:17:10] Speaker A: But, hey, sometimes there's a weirdo hiding out in the corner, and sometimes there's a cool guy who hangs out by the dumps who comes in. [00:17:17] Speaker B: So question one. All right, again, completely objective. You can search us online. [00:17:23] Speaker A: You don't have to say. [00:17:27] Speaker B: Who has more of a cane. Go back. Who? Get ready to answer the question. [00:17:37] Speaker C: These are factual questions. Open your ears. [00:17:41] Speaker A: I think. I don't understand the. What the word objective means. [00:17:45] Speaker B: It's like. It is. There's an obvious yes or no answer to it. [00:17:51] Speaker A: Really. [00:17:51] Speaker B: No question. [00:17:52] Speaker C: Objective. Subjective is. [00:17:55] Speaker B: There's. [00:18:01] Speaker A: Friday the 13th. It's an objective question. [00:18:04] Speaker B: So. So anyway. So are you ready? Can we just get the fucking question? Completely subjective. Not objective. [00:18:12] Speaker C: With subjectives. Subjectives opinionated. Right? Isn't object, doesn't matter. [00:18:16] Speaker B: Let's just do this. Objective means that is objective, right? No. No. Okay. Okay. So let's go back, because I do think that maybe Michelangelo has it wrong. Objective means there's no. It's not opinion. It is fact. That's objective. Subjective means that there are. It's an opinion. All right. [00:18:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:36] Speaker B: I want you to know that what you're doing right now is completely burying the joke and making the joke not funny anymore. I've been teeing up a joke the whole time. Yeah. All right, so question number one. Who has more of a cane hotter vibe, me or Chris? [00:18:57] Speaker A: This is 100%. 100%. This is like. Like totally objective. Which means a fact. [00:19:05] Speaker B: Yes. [00:19:05] Speaker C: Yeah. Objectives a fact. Yeah. [00:19:07] Speaker A: Anyone, anyone walking into the basement will know. Anyone meeting you two people will know that Chris has the Kane Hodder vibe for sure. [00:19:15] Speaker B: Okay, well, the actual answer is none. Neither. No one alive can exude the cane hotters essence in five. You are wrong. You are wrong. [00:19:25] Speaker A: So wrong. In five. [00:19:29] Speaker B: What's that? [00:19:30] Speaker A: No, he said in five. [00:19:32] Speaker B: It exudes his vibe and essence. Nobody has that. I'm sorry. That was kind of a trick question. You missed one. [00:19:39] Speaker A: I missed one? No. It was so blatantly obvious, the answer, and I screwed that up. [00:19:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:45] Speaker B: Question two. What movie was Mickey's first ever experience with f. F 13? I mention it in a Friday 13th, our very first ever recording of a staff meeting. I say the first thing that grabbed my attention was a movie that was coming out around my 10th birthday. Actually was after my 10th birthday, but it was. [00:20:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I think. I think it was. Takes Manhattan. [00:20:09] Speaker B: Woohoo. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. That's a correct answer, buddy. Yeah, yeah. [00:20:14] Speaker A: 1989, right? [00:20:17] Speaker B: Yep. 89 was the year that it came out. And I had found that back article in. In the newspaper that gave all the synopsis for all the up because Manhattan had a big poster on the article, and I was like, oh, this looks great. All right. [00:20:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:29] Speaker B: Number three. Would you wear the mask from f 13 part two out for a Halloween party? [00:20:38] Speaker A: Um, well, it's a sack, not a mask. Um, would I wear it? I personally would not wear it because it'd be itchy. Because it's a burlap sack. [00:20:47] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. [00:20:50] Speaker A: Plus, I. I told you that story how I was on shrooms and Chris's roommate wore the burlap sack at the eye hole, and it freaked me out. [00:20:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Please. That's from an exclusive episode that you can find on YouTube, August 10. Okay. The correct answer is, you absolutely would, but you would never want to talk about it. Sorry that your answer about yourself is wrong. I know your answer better. Just don't know yourself very well, man. [00:21:20] Speaker C: You missed your reflection. Not get off to a good start. [00:21:26] Speaker A: Drinking. Too much of this crazy Ralph is really fucking up my mind. Okay, go ahead. [00:21:31] Speaker B: Okay, now, this next one's a two part question, so you can make back a lot in this one. Okay. Is Jason a zombie? And if he is, at what point did he become a zombie? [00:21:44] Speaker A: Okay, so is he a zombie? That's completely objective. [00:21:49] Speaker B: There's no subjective. Completely objective. Nobody argues about this online. There's no. There is a right answer. [00:21:56] Speaker A: Um, Jason. We don't see Jason dead and then brought back to life until six from 1986. Okay. Uh, so it's at that point, if Jason is a zombie, he would be a zombie at six. [00:22:14] Speaker B: Okay. [00:22:15] Speaker A: But if. I mean, there is a thing. It's like, did he drown? Did he not drown? Was that actually Jason, the little boy frog monster thing? And if it's a frog monster is a zombie? That's, you know, who knows? I was going to say subjective, but now I don't know. [00:22:30] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:22:33] Speaker C: I'm not sure any words mean anymore. [00:22:36] Speaker A: But I would say 619 86 is like, you know, tommy, like, shoves the hot iron thing into him and electricity brings him back to life, and, like, is he a zombie at that point? It's like, yeah, no, I mean, he's a reanimated monster. Really? [00:22:53] Speaker B: Frankenstein, you think? Yeah, he's pretty good reanimated. All right. The completely objective answer, that is not an opinion at all is, and I'm gonna go ahead and give this one to you, even though you're slightly wrong. The answer is yes, he is a zombie. He officially became one in part seven, but was undead from two to four, and a Frankenstein in episodes or part six. So he wasn't actually a zombie in part six, he was a Frankenstein, and then he became a zombie in part seven when he was resurrected from the main. It's totally objective. I mean, you can't argue that I. [00:23:23] Speaker C: Just look like you can go from being a Frankenstein to a zombie. [00:23:26] Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly. [00:23:28] Speaker A: This is Mickey's test. [00:23:29] Speaker B: You shut up, Tina. [00:23:31] Speaker C: I know. [00:23:34] Speaker A: Like, a mind fart through the water. Like, wake him up. [00:23:40] Speaker B: Yes. [00:23:40] Speaker A: So it's like, why is he a zombie with the mind fart versus. [00:23:45] Speaker B: Listen, dude, I don't know. I'm just going on facts, okay? I'm just going on the facts of the world. You know? It's all facts, okay? Hard facts. [00:23:52] Speaker C: There's. [00:23:53] Speaker B: You know, it's like, I'd love to tell you there are multiple answers, and we can argue about it, but you just can't argue the facts. Okay? [00:23:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I can't. [00:24:00] Speaker B: So question number five. So far, I'm giving you that last one just as, like, a friendly thing. It's like you're not doing well. [00:24:06] Speaker A: Only on question five. [00:24:09] Speaker B: Welcome to what it's like sitting in this seat. All right. Who is Jason's. Who is Jason's half sister? Hmm? [00:24:16] Speaker A: His half sister. That's, uh, fucking. Okay. So if you can even name the. [00:24:23] Speaker B: Movie that that's from. I'll give you the point. [00:24:26] Speaker A: It's, um. It's from. It's from, um, uh, part nine from 1993 that. When new line took over. [00:24:35] Speaker C: Mm hmm. [00:24:37] Speaker A: But Jason goes to hell. It's such a convoluted. Like. [00:24:43] Speaker B: It is so I know his dad's. [00:24:46] Speaker A: Name, obviously, his mom's name, but I don't. Like. I know, like, he, like, goes in his half sister's vagina. It's weird. [00:24:56] Speaker B: It's so gross. Yeah. [00:24:58] Speaker A: Yeah. And I don't. I don't remember her name. I'm gonna. I'm gonna say Elizabeth. [00:25:03] Speaker B: Diana. Diana Kimball. Diana Voorhees from Jason. [00:25:07] Speaker A: You know. You know Jason's dad's name? [00:25:09] Speaker B: No. This is my quiz, so you can just take that question and shove it back in your mouth. Okay. All right, so moving on. [00:25:16] Speaker C: Question six. [00:25:17] Speaker A: Question six. [00:25:18] Speaker B: In a dance off between Jimmy Crispin Glover from part four and Violet Tiffany helm from part five. This is also known as the classic robot versus dead fuck dance off. [00:25:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:30] Speaker B: Who's winning? [00:25:33] Speaker A: Oh, Crispin Glover. Every time. [00:25:35] Speaker B: Hmm. Sorry, dude. He was. [00:25:38] Speaker A: He was so. No, no, no. He was. Crispin Glover was so fucking good at that dance that Jason literally screwed him to death. [00:25:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. That's a good. Good answer. Good answer. But you're wrong. Violet wins, but because Jimmy doesn't care about winning or losing, they actually both win. [00:25:58] Speaker A: Oh. [00:25:59] Speaker B: He doesn't care about winning and losing. He's like, what's not a date? They just dancing, baby. There's no winning, losing, and dancing. Okay, okay, so here's another totally objective question. Which is a better sequel, f 13 part three or godfather part three? [00:26:17] Speaker A: Oh, shit. I mean, are we talking about the coda or the original? [00:26:23] Speaker B: The originals, like, like what came out? [00:26:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think, like, I'm gonna let, like, the taste, like. [00:26:35] Speaker B: No, this is, this is fact. This is, there's no tastes in these questions. [00:26:40] Speaker A: Okay, so the absolute fact would be that 1980 two's Friday 13th, part three, a new dimension in terror, is way better than Sofia Coppola in. [00:26:53] Speaker B: Yeah, you got it, you got it, you got it. You answered that one correct. [00:26:57] Speaker A: Sofia Coppola, an amazing director. An amazing. A great, great artist. Unfortunately, you know, you know, she just, like, it's, it's, you can't just. That's a difficult part. I like, I, Winona writer would have been great in that. [00:27:14] Speaker B: Wait, I mean, nepotism doesn't always work. [00:27:18] Speaker A: Hmm. Oh, shots fired. [00:27:20] Speaker B: No, I think Sophia Coppola is a fantastic director. And I'm just saying. But I'm saying there are times when you cast family and you probably shouldn't have. [00:27:28] Speaker A: Well, I think it was like a, I think it, like, it makes sense, kind of why he does it. You know what I mean? Let's not go. It's a whole, it's a whole thing. It's a whole, like Winona Ryder falls through, right? She was supposed to play the part and then, you know, I can see like, oh, my daughter's a brilliant, talented person. You know, I want somebody natural. We're not gonna go with a name. Let's go with an unknown. It just didn't, didn't work out, unfortunately. [00:27:54] Speaker B: An unknown name like Sofia Coppola, that. [00:27:57] Speaker A: Unknown, it's not like she had any acting credits. [00:28:01] Speaker B: Sofia Coppola. Yeah. Okay, sorry, that was my Al Pacino. That was my, I'm doing scenes with Sylvia. Okay, question number eight. Is Jason a dog or cat person? Is he a dog or cat person? [00:28:23] Speaker A: I gotta say, Jason's 100% a cat person. He doesn't have time to take care of the dog when he's killing all those people. He needs, like, a self reliant animal that's like. And he's a mama's boy, you know what I mean? So I would say Jason's a cat person. [00:28:37] Speaker B: I'm gonna give it to you because he's both. Kane Hodder has stated that Jason is an animal lover. But also, I will say in two, he allows that cat to scare people. Doesn't even bother him. And then in seven, he allows the cat to kind of jump and scare, scare lar park Lincoln. Doesn't bother him at all. But now does he kill muffin in part two? That's a question. [00:29:00] Speaker A: It scares Robin. [00:29:02] Speaker B: It was Robin. I'm so sorry. It's Robin. It's my rocker chick from Vice academy. [00:29:07] Speaker A: Okay. Also, no, wait a second, that's a different person. Nevermind. But yeah, Robin. [00:29:14] Speaker B: Yeah. All right. [00:29:18] Speaker A: Oh, by the way, I do want to say when people ask you if you're a cat or dog person, right? [00:29:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:24] Speaker A: There's only one answer. You either like animals or you don't like animals. You know what I mean? Like people who are like, oh, dogs. It's like you've never had a person. You've. Then you've. [00:29:36] Speaker B: What that tells me is multiple relationships with cats. I've had lots of relationships. Cats. You don't, don't, don't you broad stroke me. [00:29:46] Speaker A: I'm gonna brad stroke you. [00:29:49] Speaker B: Yeah, at least she's lotion. That's, yeah, that's that. Well, either way, win or lose, that's how, that's how you get in the club. [00:29:57] Speaker A: Some people like dry hands. Do we need to get into all discussion about drive? [00:30:01] Speaker B: I don't know. We're good. We're good. I'll tell you what though, Jason in this movie had some dry hands. [00:30:15] Speaker A: Keeps getting wet throughout the wet. [00:30:18] Speaker C: He's a wet boy. [00:30:19] Speaker A: He's a soaking wet boy. [00:30:20] Speaker B: Okay, question number nine. You're almost through the you're almost through it. Question number nine. Would Chris be better as a restless, slow soul slashing or. Sorry. A restless soul slashing up campers or as a final girl, Chris? Yeah. [00:30:40] Speaker A: Oh yeah, final girl for sure. [00:30:43] Speaker B: Damn, dude, you missed it. Wrong. Chris is such a kid. He's such a cropsy. He's slashing them all and killing them all. [00:30:50] Speaker C: I don't know what you're talking about. Talking about right now, but I agree. [00:30:54] Speaker B: Okay. You're doing, you know, hey, these are tough questions. You know, it's like you need to go back through your history of f 13 to get these, you know, I really do. [00:31:03] Speaker A: I need to watch them. [00:31:04] Speaker B: All right, question number ten. What is Mickey's favorite Friday 13th? [00:31:11] Speaker A: Oh, without a doubt. That's your first one, which is Jason takes Manhattan. Parts eight. [00:31:24] Speaker C: Someone'S staying on the steps. [00:31:28] Speaker A: Obviously it's a birthday bash, 1988 parts. [00:31:34] Speaker B: There it is. There it is. Okay. And then this is. I know I said ten. I've got an 11th question. It's the final question. I wasn't going to ask it, but I threw it in because you did so poorly. [00:31:42] Speaker A: I love that you basically are asking me twelve questions and there's twelve like Friday the 13th movies essentially. We've had a whole debate about this. Watch the YouTube exclusive August 10. And we kind of go into like, if they made a 13th film, would it really be the 13th film? Because new line takes over in 93, so really they only made eight films, right? We need five more. Anyways. Okay, go ahead. [00:32:08] Speaker B: Final question. And this question is so important to the franchise that it will erase all your poor answers, all of your non. [00:32:17] Speaker C: Researched when it double or nothing. [00:32:21] Speaker B: Okay, so this is, this is for the whole thing. You get this. You basically got every question right. [00:32:25] Speaker C: Whole enchilada. [00:32:26] Speaker B: When watching and talking about f 13, is it better to do that by yourself or with a big group of friends? [00:32:34] Speaker A: Oh, I'd say with a cat. [00:32:38] Speaker B: With a cat. [00:32:42] Speaker A: With as many cats as possible. [00:32:46] Speaker B: Just talk to them about Jason. Yeah, yeah. A group of friends. The answer is with a group of friends. That's why we are here today, is to talk about Friday 13th with a group of friends. It's the way to do it. It's the only way to do it, in my personal opinion. But hey, I'm about facts and not about opinions, right? So, Michelangelo, welcome to. Drum roll, please. Trying to find. Welcome to Mickey's Friday third round. Welcome to Mickey's Friday 13th basement Super Secret Society fan club. You're now an official member. You're the third. You're the third official member, but you're still. Listen, hey, listen. You're still basically a pledge, all right? Chris is treasurer, I'm president, and you're just a pledge, so you better play your cards right. [00:33:39] Speaker A: I got to tell you guys, um. Uh huh. If this is what it's like, right, to have to sit and answer these questions and try to get a part of it, I got to tell you, it was riveting and exciting, and I loved it. I loved every second of it. [00:33:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:58] Speaker A: So, Mickey, why are we talking about Friday the 13th, part seven? What's your history and relationship with the film? And why is it this the one that, like, you have to talk about tonight? [00:34:10] Speaker B: Boy, where do I begin? You know my history. I've said it before in a podcast. You can go back to the original Friday 13th podcast that we did years ago. And I came to Jason based on a movie poster for Manhattan. He takes Manhattan. And I was like, whoa, this is crazy. And I look in the back of our local newspaper and there were synopsis for all the films. And I was like, wow, this, like, this long, like, like series of films that things that I can get into. This is incredible. Was got really excited about it. Not really sure when I even saw the first film. But I know that in watching those marathons they have for tv is where I came across seven. And it may have been the finale of that marathon, but once you've gone. [00:34:58] Speaker A: One through six, was it on monster vision with Joe Bob, do you know? Or was it like WGN or something? [00:35:05] Speaker B: It was definitely. It was. I don't think it had a host. It was either TNT or TBS. [00:35:11] Speaker A: It was monster vision. I know what I mean. [00:35:15] Speaker B: This was early, though. [00:35:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Joe. Joe Bob's monster vision was on TNT, and like, he did do Friday the 13th marathons. [00:35:24] Speaker B: Okay, well, then that probably was him. Cause he was like my gateway to a lot of horror. But I do remember specifically, like, once you go through one through six, you come to seven. They are changing almost everything that you've watched up to that point. And I like to think that there's an old, there's a phrase people use, a jack of all trades and a master of none. This film is kind of the jack of all trades and master of none. It's a mashup of all these things that I love. It's like a dash of X Men, a dash of 90210, a little bit of carry, a dash of firestarter. Let's throw, you know, let's make Tina's dad look like Stephen King. It's like all these things are like, you know, kind of mishmashed into it. And I, and I love all the things that it's doing. And what I, what I really appreciate is, is that I like, there's a thing that happens with Friday 13th, right? And it happens with Halloween, happens with all the films where people say, the people who are fans of it, they come to see the killer, right? I actually didn't when I first started this, this, you know, my love for horror, I would, I came for Laurie Strode. You know, I came to part two to see her continuing story as well as the killer's continuing story. And a lot of times what happens in these films is that they lose sense of, of a protagonist. And Tina Shepard, to me, was a fantastic protagonist, whether they delivered on, on doing the most compelling story or not, whatever. I don't want to get into all that because, yes, this film is flawed in many ways, but Tina Shepard, to me, is fantastic. This movie hit me at the right point in my life. I had a crush on Lar Parker Lincoln. I. I just. I loved the Carrie versus Jason aspect of it. It's like a brash mashup of things that I really like that just like I said, it may not be a master of any of them, but it's a jack of all of them, you know? So I'm a huge fan. This is my favorite Friday 13th in the series. It's probably mainly because of Tina Shepard and I will go on as we continue to talk about it, tell you more and more things I love about this film. But, uh. But, yeah, but that's. That's basically where it comes from. Um. I don't know. I think we. And I don't know, maybe in the past I said it was for monster vision, but I don't think. I don't think it was for monster vision, to be honest. [00:37:51] Speaker C: I feel like whenever. I mean, you know, we're not that far apart in age, Mickey. I feel like whenever, you know, we're kids, every Friday the 13th, a station of some sort would do, like, you know, the just marathon of Friday the 13th films, like a TNT, a WGN, I think, a USA, you know, I think it was whoever had the rights at the time, or even if it's, like your local tv station, that might have the rights to a couple of them kind of thing. So, yeah, I mean, I distinctly remember those being on tv, but I couldn't tell you. [00:38:23] Speaker B: And when seven comes on after watching that. Cause, I mean, we can talk about the highlights throughout the series. You got your one, your two, your four is fantastic. But, you know, I love, like, young Tommy Jarvis, but there's something about Tina Shepard and her being the protagonist in this film and her journey in the film, which I know we can. We will have some laughs about it as well. But there's something really unlike any other Friday 13th, for sure. And I love this film. And I love this Jason. This is. This is probably the most refreshing Jason I've gotten up to this point. Like, I love. I like Jason, period. But when Kane Hodder comes out and delivers the, like, wrestlemania version of, like, you know, Jason, I am all in. When he's, like, throwing people, he's a brute. He's like, you know, there's nothing super sensitive about him. He is just like a web mass destruction coming through there. Yeah, it's. It's intense. And then you have this, like, young girl finding her power. Like I said, it felt like a kid who loves X Men. It felt like watching the story of Rogue or Jubilee, you know, from like the X Men cartoon series was like watching them. I was just waiting for Professor X to show up and be like, tina, come with us. So there I hear. That's why I love it. [00:39:47] Speaker A: Like, and I think Laura Park Lincoln, I think she does a great job with what she's given. Like having to do the standing there and make a face because I'm doing telepathy, telekinesis. Like, I think she's like, at no point is her performance, at no point in my laughing at her performance and across the board I would say that at no point am I laughing at anyone's performance. I am sometimes laughing at what they're having to say or the circumstances. I think it all comes down to the writing. I think all the actors do a fantastic job with what they're given and they're really trying to, like, I see the actors trying to give arcs to characters that don't have any because, you know, you want all those characters need to have, like, no matter how small, you need like an arc of something. But yeah, Chris, you're smiling like a fucking asshole. What's. [00:40:56] Speaker B: Your first timer? [00:40:57] Speaker C: You defend actors. You defend actors in a way I think is really funny sometimes. [00:41:01] Speaker A: Yeah, cuz actors get fucking. Like, it's being an actor in a Friday the 13th movie is no easy thing. And like, I don't know, like there was this sort of like Friday the 13th movies were like Paramount's like 03:00 a.m. booty call where it's like no one respected these movies despite how much money they were making. Although at this point they were still making money, but they weren't making as nearly as much as they were in the first four films. And like a lot of like, it was rare for an actor to be in a Friday the 13th movie and then go on to have like a pretty decent career. It was sometimes like a mark against you during this era for you to be doing like, like horror films. You know, Jeffrey comb talks about that with like doing reanimate really horror films. [00:41:57] Speaker C: In general for, I mean, look a long time and the joke is on. [00:42:03] Speaker A: Joke ends up being on, on everyone else because it's like these people are beloved by like super loyal fans who pay them. Like, like, oh yeah, there's people, they make hundreds of thousands. Some of them make hundreds of thousands of dollars at conventions. [00:42:19] Speaker C: No drama cons, no comedy cons. Really? Yeah. [00:42:23] Speaker A: Uh, Chris, what's your, uh, like, is this your first? So for the listener. Chris is not a huge, gigantic Friday the 13th fan like Mickey and I. [00:42:31] Speaker B: Oh, he's going to be. [00:42:33] Speaker A: Is this your first viewing of parts now? [00:42:36] Speaker C: No. I mean, I've seen, I've seen, I think all of them. I just watched them all. Like, whenever I was in that, like, teenage years, there might be some that I've just seen parts of and my mind just filled it in, you know, kind of thing. Especially with, like, you know, I mean, really, you know, I might have even once upon a time, maybe I only saw parts of this film. Maybe I did see it all. I honestly don't remember. You know, I'm old and my memory sucks. You know, it's that kind of thing. But I recall watching at least large sections of this back in, like, those, like, you know, 10, 12, 14, somewhere in there, younger teenage years. Yeah. And I mean, I just think is definitely my first full rewatch since then. [00:43:24] Speaker A: And. [00:43:26] Speaker C: And, you know. Okay, I'll say this. [00:43:29] Speaker A: Let him talk. A mom who's, like, tasting it. Oh, yeah, it's good, right? [00:43:37] Speaker B: My pie. [00:43:39] Speaker C: I think that this is definitely more enjoyable than, like, part three that we just watched because it's taking. So why do you hate me? [00:43:49] Speaker A: Why do you hate me so much that you would say, I'm sorry, Chris, go ahead. [00:43:57] Speaker C: No, you're good. It's just, it's taking such wild swings that it's a little more enjoyable to me in that way. And then, of course, the part three, the whole just weird kind of pseudo sexual assault storyline, it's just so strange and off putting to me. So anyway, this one, I think, just is more enjoyable from, like, just a mindless entertainment thing. The thing about it, though, that, like, really kind of gets under my skin is like, this feels to me just such a nameless, faceless paramount executive just doing lines of coke and just being like, what if Jason fought? I don't know. And I know originally supposed to be, what was. How's the story supposed to be? It was supposed to be. It was really supposed to be like Freddy, though, right? [00:44:41] Speaker A: And then this is the origin of that idea. And then it's not until 2000. [00:44:46] Speaker C: Freddie versus Jason back in the later years. The one Jason film that I've seen in the theater actually is a note, but anyway. But you know what I mean? It just feels to me so just soulless, drugged out executive, like, what if he fought Carrie? Whatever. [00:45:06] Speaker A: That's literally what it is. [00:45:07] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And just like, I don't know, it just gets under my skin, but it offers a lot of you know, I don't know. It's got just, like, mindless enjoyableness to it, I think, especially watching so many horror films recently seen. And Michelangelo, you probably have her name in front of her, but the woman who is also in slumber party massacre, too. [00:45:27] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:45:29] Speaker A: Seeing her again, which is with Russell, she dies in the water. [00:45:35] Speaker B: It has her jaws moment where she's like, you know, kicking in the water. You got the underwater shot of her. [00:45:40] Speaker C: Yeah, but I was just. I don't. It was just funny. Like, actually, like, if you like seeing so many of these things recently, it's just like seeing a friendly face whenever I saw her pop up. But, yeah. Michelangelo, what about your history? What's your story? [00:45:58] Speaker A: Do you guys know the other nickname, the very not political nickname for this film? [00:46:06] Speaker C: So I gave. [00:46:07] Speaker A: I gave you my intro. I gave you all the, like, you know, it was called birthday bash, was this shooting script title. And why they do this, by the way, was so that they could avoid the unions coming down on them. They were thinking, oh, it's some low budget film, not a fucking gigantic profit maker. Anyways, they called this one fry gay the 13th, because almost all of the male actors in the film are gay. Or like, we're like, open homosexual men. And. Yeah, I know, it's fucking stupid. [00:46:43] Speaker C: Terrible. [00:46:44] Speaker A: And it's. It's really a shame that they didn't, like, use that to layer in some, like, interesting themes throughout the film about sexuality. That would have been cool. [00:46:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it's best they don't wait into that water just because they're not. [00:47:05] Speaker A: I gotta say, like John Carl Beagle or sure Beatler. I think. I think if he had made the film he wanted to make, I think. [00:47:17] Speaker C: It would have been every one of these films. [00:47:20] Speaker A: No, no, because there was a single one. [00:47:23] Speaker C: It's like, there's a guy, like, if he had made his vision. [00:47:26] Speaker A: No, I hear you. That's. That's. That's just like a scapegoat a lot of the time. But it was. You have the combination of, like, the MPAA, obviously, like, cutting the gore down to it to, like, almost nothing. And there was a producer on this who, Frank Mancuso Junior at this point, was sort of like hands off with the franchise. So instead he sends this other producer who just when you listen to the stories of what this producer did and sort of her credits, you're sort of like, oh, she shouldn't be working on this. And, like, she's responsible for the ending. We'll get to that. But like, how. How Jason dies. But I think. I think if, like, I think when you get any kind of filmmaker, but you go, okay, you have to stay within this budget. You have this amount of time and this amount of money, and you make whatever you want, I always think you get something ultimately more interesting. You know what I mean? It's not like he was asking for more money to do more. It's like, just give him the time and. And the money and, like, that's all the Friday the 13th. I think those are the ones that work best, are the ones where, like, they leave the director alone. They just. It's like, make it for cheap and make it quick. So anyways, my, my. [00:48:48] Speaker B: Women, right? [00:48:50] Speaker A: Women. Am I right? I gotta say, after watching this one, so. Okay, so my first time watching this was with Mickey. We talk about our history with Friday 13th. Go back to previous episodes. Staff meeting, Friday the 13th movie here. But I got it, like, so I watched this for the first time with Mickey in a dorm room in New York at an acting school. And I got to tell you, we were doing. We were watching them all in, like, a weekend. So by part seven, you're feeling fatigue. You know what I mean? Like, like, it's. It's like you have the crescendo of part four, right? Then you have part five, which I was like, every other mindless idiot who's like, jason's not even in that one. This one's stupid. And then I really like part six. I think it's. It's, it's, it's. It's like, I wish, again, I wish that director would have made the film he wanted to. I think it. But I enjoy the humor that's in it. So by part seven, you're feeling fatigued. So this was never, this was on the lower tier, my favorite movies, which. And we've talked about, like, it's Friday 13. It's pizza. Yeah, I mean, yeah, all of them are good. So I got to tell you, though, watching it this time, it moved up one spot. [00:50:10] Speaker B: Nice. [00:50:11] Speaker C: Okay. [00:50:12] Speaker B: Watch it a couple more times. [00:50:14] Speaker C: Rating reviews then where you're at, then. What's your. What's your flow chart? So you said it moved up a slot. So I'm kind of curious. What. What moved. Hey. Moved up what moved down so part. [00:50:29] Speaker A: Let's see, this is part seven. So the so part, the final Friday 93 moved down one, and part seven moved into the eight slot. [00:50:44] Speaker B: Number eight. [00:50:45] Speaker A: So this is number eight on my list. I'd have to go back and watch a new beginning and Jason lives. But in my memory, I really enjoy how goofy those are. [00:50:54] Speaker B: Okay. [00:50:55] Speaker A: Especially five is so fucking bonkers. Yeah. Which I would have liked. Like, the problem with this film for me is I don't think there are big enough swings happening and, like, like, there's, there's, there's opportunities for, like, just, just big swings that don't work out and ends up being really enjoyable, enjoyable to watch. But it's kind of just all the, all the, all the, all the characters are kind of bland. A lot of just body count stuff. I do love Kane Harder's performance in this. He's like, he, it's. I wonder if, like, a bunch of high school kids saw this, like, like, you know, like the big, kind of nerdy high school kids who weren't like jocks, but they were big and they were insecure. I feel like they walked around like Kane, Hodder, Jason, in order to make people scared of them so that they wouldn't have to have a confrontation. You know, he is scary in this. He is, he is aggressive and mean and, but it is funny, like, this Jason. To me, it makes no sense that this Jason sets up bodies to scare people. I don't see his performance. I don't see him taking the time to do that. [00:52:14] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:52:18] Speaker A: But I mean, I had great time watching this. I love that it, like, it looks great. The cinematographer, I don't have decent name here. I mean, he's fucking, he's worked on like, like no country for old men. And, like, really that's what I love about cinematographers is they do every, they. [00:52:37] Speaker B: Work in every genre. They're getting a paycheck, you know, and, like, and still bringing their craft to it. It's like, you know, it's like, you're absolutely right about the writing. The writing leaves a lot of people out in the wind on this one, but, uh, but I do think the performers, the cinematographer, there's a lot of things going on in this that, that are good. [00:52:57] Speaker A: And I gotta one thing I think would help this film. So it's like, it's shot in Alabama in winter, and it's like, so painfully, obviously not summer. You know, the movie starts October when, when you got Tiny Tina, who, by the way, is in Texas Chainsaw Massacre three with another performer in this. I can't remember which guy. Williams something. Anyways, it's, it opens on Friday, October, Friday the 13th. So it's just like, it would make sense for her to be back for Doctor Cruz weekend at Bernie's. Terry Kaiser, it would make sense for her to, for him to bring Tina back on the date that she killed her father. Right. So for it to be in October and then you have the, it's like Halloween, Friday the 13th. You could have Halloween decorations up. Like, obviously, I. [00:54:02] Speaker B: And the storyline suggests they're going to Michael's birthday bash. It could be set any time of the year. It doesn't have to be over summer. [00:54:13] Speaker A: Well, anytime other than summer and spring. So fall or winter. Like, we're gonna have a Halloween bash at this cabin instead of Michael's birthday. It's like a Halloween party. [00:54:25] Speaker C: Like, would you cut out, like, say, I don't know, half of the characters if you're gonna do that. [00:54:32] Speaker A: Why? [00:54:33] Speaker C: There's way too many characters in this. [00:54:35] Speaker A: I'd like, I mean, the amount of characters. I like the amount of characters too. They just need to write it well so that everyone has an arc. [00:54:44] Speaker B: Yes. [00:54:47] Speaker A: You got a stoner, you got a writer, you got a girl likes to swim naked, you got the girl. Like, so many of my notes here. It's like Sandra Russell's gal, Kate. [00:55:00] Speaker B: The Ben is gold digger. [00:55:02] Speaker A: Like, like, not Kate. Kate's cool. Kate. Ben are cool. [00:55:06] Speaker B: It's awesome. [00:55:07] Speaker A: Kate and Ben are, yeah, it's good. Like good friends of Michael. Um, and then, well, definitely, I mean, fodder are the campers. Judy and Dan? Yeah, Judy and Dan. Um, uh, you know. Yeah. But, uh, Robin is cool. Melissa, the fucking blonde bitch. She's cool. [00:55:28] Speaker B: Robin's like a rocker chick. Like total rocker chick. Yeah, yeah. [00:55:34] Speaker A: Who turns into like a, like a muscled man with a red wig on and is like, so her death when she gets thrown through the window once. [00:55:45] Speaker C: The one story fall that killed her. [00:55:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Like a big, muscly, like stuntman in a red wig. And that's shot at the same house that they shot part four at because those are reshoots because of, like, they couldn't use her original death. Um, but yeah, that, that's my sort of, like, suggestion for this is that, um, uh, you just like, it's obviously not summer, so just like, make it a Halloween Friday the 13th movie. Chris is like, why are you fucking, why is, why is that making you upset or grimace or, like, what's the problem? [00:56:28] Speaker C: I'm just smiling. [00:56:29] Speaker A: I'm doing smile, doing de Niro face. Like, okay. Yeah, okay. [00:56:34] Speaker C: We just, if we had given the director all the money he wanted, but told him to hurry up and film it and then set it in Halloween, we had citizen say that. [00:56:44] Speaker B: A classic. [00:56:45] Speaker A: I didn't say all the money. You gave him a budget. You gave him a budget. It's like, this is your money. You do whatever you want with it, but this is all you get. Get. You know, he seemed like a good. [00:56:59] Speaker B: Guy going back. [00:57:07] Speaker C: On Judy. [00:57:08] Speaker A: Judy sleeping. Bad kill. Yeah. [00:57:12] Speaker B: Yeah. I was gonna say. I was gonna say Judy's death is one of my favorite kills in the. In the entire franchise. [00:57:17] Speaker A: So iconic that they did it again. And Jason X just completely. [00:57:23] Speaker B: No struggle. Pick her up, slam her, throw her down. Like just. Kane Hodder makes Jason like he is just an unforgiving brute, just there to just kill at all costs. [00:57:36] Speaker A: You set a sleeping bag. It's like the WWF version of Jason. [00:57:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Especially for a kid of my age that, when I saw this, yeah, I was like a fan of the whole, you know, I was a huge macho man fan. So it's like, yeah, Jason just had those, like, traps and he was just big, you know, hulk of a man, just walking around, throwing everybody around. But then matched with the duality of Mickey, which is Tina Shepherd, a young person who feels like an outsider, a person who has powers that they have not been able to tap into yet because they don't know how to. They don't know how to explore that part of themselves. And then you marry those two things, and I'm telling you, you've got like a. You've. You. You literally have like greek mythology. This film is like the Odyssey up there with like, you know. [00:58:36] Speaker A: Speaking of. [00:58:37] Speaker B: Grape, I may be exaggerating a little bit. Yeah. [00:58:40] Speaker C: I think it was also a mistake to find a therapist that could only speak to you through Friday the 13th film. You might want to see someone else. [00:58:49] Speaker A: He got doctor. He got Doctor Cruz. [00:58:53] Speaker C: Oh, that makes a lot of sense. [00:58:55] Speaker B: It explains it. [00:58:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of bad therapists, I wish I could mind throw a zenith at my therapist. [00:59:04] Speaker B: Right? [00:59:06] Speaker C: That's pretty good. [00:59:07] Speaker A: For those of you listening who don't know, Zenith is a tv. Although if you're listening to this, I can't imagine you wouldn't know what a zenith. I'm having a zombie watching on my Zenith doing a Z's. [00:59:24] Speaker C: Were all just all about the Z's. I just loved it. [00:59:27] Speaker A: Nineties. Nineties, buddy. I think in the eighties and the nineties. But like Zima, I think is a nineties thing. [00:59:36] Speaker C: Take it to the Internet, I guess. I don't know. You're. [00:59:42] Speaker A: So. I love how this movie starts. I love the Paramount logo. I love the music score for this film. And I love that we got crazy Ralph coming back. Walt Gorney doing the vo. Doing the. Previously on to, like, sort of such a tv show. Yeah. [01:00:03] Speaker C: It's like, wow. [01:00:05] Speaker A: I mean, you gotta understand this is coming out in a time when, like, you kind of needed them. You know what I mean? The access to be able to movies. [01:00:14] Speaker B: Prestige movies did that. [01:00:16] Speaker A: Rocky did it. Which are each film. [01:00:20] Speaker C: Is that the prestige film? One of the prestige. [01:00:23] Speaker B: Rocky three. [01:00:24] Speaker C: The prestige film. Okay. [01:00:26] Speaker B: Rocky one. Rocky three. Rocky three. You know, Rocky four. I actually always thought of, like, speaking of Rocky four, you know, I always kind of thought that Kane Hodder was to Tina shepherd. What? [01:00:46] Speaker C: Go on. I like where this is going. [01:00:49] Speaker B: Yeah. What Dolph Lundrin was to slide Stallone. [01:00:58] Speaker A: He was Apollo Creed and she was Pauly. No, like, she's kind of racist against Jason. [01:01:12] Speaker B: No, no, no. But the unstable, the unstoppable force. But. But the unstoppable russian force that's got all this, like, you know, just big brute strength and you're just like the little tough american kid that ends up having to, you know, fight this guy after they've. They've killed your mother, which in this case is Apollo for Rocky. [01:01:36] Speaker C: So. [01:01:36] Speaker B: So people who like Rocky four, you're gonna really love part seven, Friday 13th. Just putting it out there. [01:01:41] Speaker A: I don't. I think you're kind of right, actually. [01:01:47] Speaker C: I did love in all the battle scenes between them that Jason just kind of stood there waiting for Tina to launch whatever mind power she was going to on him. [01:01:57] Speaker B: Totally explainable. Totally. I can explain that as well. I can explain that as well. Okay. [01:02:04] Speaker A: I did hear your voice whenever, like, he was like. [01:02:13] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I mean, obviously Jason has been taken to his final resting place by Tommy Jarvis in part six. Right. He had to be returned to the lake. And. And Tina is the thing that frees him. So I think that there are times in which, because he doesn't immediately kill Tina when he gets free on the pier, therefore, I think there is something about Tina that Jason feels like, huh. Is she my enemy? Is she my savior? Who is this person? To me, she's something different which protects after much of the film. [01:02:50] Speaker A: I think that's a great. I think you're doing. I think you are doing more work than they did making this. And I think that's a great idea. [01:02:57] Speaker B: No opinions, all facts. No opinions, all facts. This is an all fact podcast, so. [01:03:03] Speaker A: It'S objective is what you're saying. [01:03:05] Speaker C: Also, whenever Jason got his guys mask, you know, cut off, do you guys remember the eighties? [01:03:11] Speaker A: Those, like, squishy balls squeezed off it. [01:03:13] Speaker B: Was squeezed off, by the way. [01:03:15] Speaker C: Sorry, sorry. [01:03:17] Speaker A: Yeah, the squishy ball. Gross. [01:03:19] Speaker C: Like the gross face. So it stick out. His face looks like that, you know. [01:03:23] Speaker A: Like one of those guys. [01:03:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:25] Speaker A: Go back real quick to the opening of the recap. It does. Every time I watch that recap, I'm like, oh, man, I should watch four or six. [01:03:36] Speaker C: Yeah, I get that. Yeah, that sounds like better films I should be watching. [01:03:42] Speaker A: No offense, Mickey. I still had a legit. Like, I made some jiffy pop and I fucking. I had, by the. Oh, I got to tell you this. So do do. I couldn't watch. I couldn't watch, like, I couldn't be in my living room, so I couldn't watch my VHS or my dvd or my Blu ray copy of this because obviously I own multiple versions of all the fryer things. [01:04:08] Speaker C: No laser disc. [01:04:09] Speaker A: Like, I wish I had a laser or a CDE collection, but. So I had to watch this on an iPad in my bedroom just because of circumstances. [01:04:24] Speaker C: Sure. Definitely weren't masturbating. [01:04:26] Speaker B: It was not the whole way through to Kane. [01:04:29] Speaker A: Otter. Sexy exposed spine. [01:04:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:35] Speaker A: I'm making a real army hammer turn with my sexual preferences. Yeah, fuck that guy. Rich prick. Yeah, that guy. [01:04:49] Speaker B: A real doctor Cruz. [01:04:52] Speaker A: Look, this person who broke through in Hollywood, his fucking father's like a gigantic. [01:04:56] Speaker C: Rich person oil tycoon. [01:04:58] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'm watching it in my bedroom. All the lights are off. I'm watching on the iPad, and my. One of my cats has gotten into the habit of, like, we do this playtime thing where we, like, on the bed, we'll lift the sheets and she'll go under the sheets and we'll play and she'll use whatever. Like, she can kind of see through the sheets and she'll bat at things. Anyways, she snuck into the room while I was watching this, got under the sheets without me knowing, and my Airpods case was laying there. And then out of nowhere, she fucking under the sheet, attacked the airpod case, and it went flying, scaring the shit out of me. Like, right when all the, like, the rules are happening in the movie. [01:05:44] Speaker C: Hmm. [01:05:45] Speaker A: So that was pretty cool. [01:05:47] Speaker B: Great. Yeah. [01:05:49] Speaker A: Supported me on that story. [01:05:53] Speaker C: I didn't interrupt. I was listening. I didn't make any Robert De Niro faces at you. [01:06:00] Speaker A: Doing De Niro. That's howdy now. Okay, now you're. Now you don't. Gail the snail. Now you're on gorilla. [01:06:13] Speaker B: Have you guys ever used a personal penis enlarger? [01:06:18] Speaker A: That genuinely made me laugh when. [01:06:24] Speaker B: I want to say, I want to send that as a gift to somebody. [01:06:27] Speaker A: I would love getting a micro. Fucking awesome. [01:06:30] Speaker C: That's a magnifying glass. But. [01:06:45] Speaker B: I need a microscope. I need a microscope. I need, like. Yeah, my microscope magnifying glass. Three times magnification. No, I need, like, 20 time magnification. [01:06:55] Speaker A: He knows all the magnifications. [01:06:58] Speaker B: I. Well, I'm kind of a science guy. Speaking of science guys, huh? How about our, how about our. How about ol Bernie? Eddie. [01:07:09] Speaker A: Oh, Eddie. Eddie the Sci-Fi pretty great guy. [01:07:14] Speaker B: You gotta like Eddie. Eddie brings it. [01:07:17] Speaker C: Are you Segway guy? What's happening? [01:07:21] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:07:23] Speaker A: Eddie would be on Segue if this was a modern day shooting. He would be, like, futuristic. [01:07:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:32] Speaker A: Like the creator of Segway. He'd be ready for. [01:07:38] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, off the cliff. [01:07:40] Speaker B: Yeah. He got his heart broken by Melissa. [01:07:43] Speaker C: He went whitey tidies, too. Yeah, it's a sad look. [01:07:49] Speaker A: That. That's a scene that would have been much funnier had he had a bonus boner. [01:07:55] Speaker C: You keep saying that about everything. [01:07:59] Speaker B: If he had a boner. [01:08:02] Speaker A: Speaking of boners, Nick. [01:08:06] Speaker B: All american heartthrob Nick from Pittsburgh. From Pittsburgh, they missed a big opportunity. [01:08:13] Speaker A: With Nick and that. It would have been so funny if Nick is constantly trying to save Tina, and Tina doesn't need to be saved. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's kind of happening. But I think they really could have played with that of, like, he's trying to be. He's got the gun. He's handsome. [01:08:29] Speaker B: I think do that a little bit. I mean, he constantly, like, knocked out, and she's then having to, like. [01:08:34] Speaker A: No, like, I I'm talking about, like. Like, understanding the joke of it. [01:08:39] Speaker B: Yes. [01:08:39] Speaker A: You know, that into the. But layering it into the film, not being so obvious with it, but, like, you know, there's. There's that. That. There's that thing there that it's like, Tina doesn't need Nick. Tina wants Nick. You know what I mean? [01:08:53] Speaker B: Right. And I think that's there. I think that you're right about it. They could play up the joke more, but it's definitely there. It's like, at the end of the day, Tina's the one protecting everybody that survives to the end once she owns her power. Right. That's like, the whole thing, right? It's like this person, albeit, you know, you can put a lot of things on it. I'm not going to try to do all this extra work that Michelangelo thinks I'm doing for the film, but she is. [01:09:22] Speaker A: I have a pitch for Friday the 13th film. I think Chris will really like this. I. The comedy bang, bang people need to be fun. Make a Friday the 13th film. And they need to. They need to. I think it would be really cool if what they did is they structured a legit Friday the 13th film, right. That they all act in and. Right. And simultaneously, like, each scene they do a written scene, and then they do, like, a comedy bang, bang. Improv scene, and then they kind of like. So you end up with, like, a version a, which is like, their serious attempt at making, like, whatever type of Friday the 13th film they want, but then also, like, a super goofy, completely improvised Friday the 13th. I think that would be fucking entertaining. [01:10:12] Speaker C: I would enjoy it also. [01:10:14] Speaker A: I don't know why I thought of this, but, like, I couldn't get out of my head, like, how funny it would be to see, like, the liver King as Jason, like, with his fucking shirt off, but, like, he's still talking all the time anyways. Liver King Jason Voorhees. [01:10:34] Speaker C: You're welcome, liver King Voorhees. [01:10:37] Speaker A: Because what's more primal than eating another person? [01:10:41] Speaker C: Oh, also it's like cannibal Jason. Is that kind of what's going on? Then, like, he's eating the people he kills. [01:10:47] Speaker A: He's not only killing them, but he's then, like, harvesting. [01:10:51] Speaker C: Gotcha. [01:10:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:53] Speaker C: I was surprised by how, how gore less this film is. [01:10:59] Speaker A: Really? [01:11:00] Speaker C: They were that strict in that time? [01:11:02] Speaker A: Yes. The, the director in the Crystal Lake memories interview you. I'm quoting him, and I think it's terrible that he says this, but it was a different time. But he says that the MPAA raped his movie. I know I'm quoting somebody, but they really like, and the thing that sucks is there's, they'll never be, like, a director's cut because Paramount destroyed all of that footage and all that, all that exists now. You can see them online or on special features for your dvd or Blu ray. You can see, like, vhs, like, work prints that are really rough. But they, they would have been really, like, all, like, Ben's head gets, like, popped, like a zip just crushed and blood goes everywhere and just like, really, really? Because, I mean, the director is a special effects makeup guy. And, like, you know, he did great work in reanimator and from beyond and, like, they did some really cool stuff, but they just, like, the MPAA really just cut the shit out of this. And, like, I think when you, it's like, at this point, they're just like, we got to make a bunch of teenagers that aren't likable and kill them in horrific ways because that's why people are coming to see these movies, you know? And then when you take out a part of that, an important element from that, you kind of end up with this sort of like nothing. Well, nothing's kind of going on. You know what I mean? There's not any gory kills. The writing, not quite. The storylines aren't that interesting to some people. [01:12:49] Speaker B: Not everyone, shepherd, but Tina Shepard. [01:12:51] Speaker A: Great. She's great. I. She's great. She's like beautiful and talented and like, again, I think she does a great job with the part. It's like, she's wonderful on this. I got. Tina's awesome also. [01:13:05] Speaker B: Sure. [01:13:05] Speaker A: Badass. I mean, if you know anything about Kane Hodder, he fucking got severely burned in a live burn. Stuff gone wrong. And like, he does an amazing live burn in this fucking movie. Oh, my God. That is awesome. All that is awesome. The explosion, the fight in the basement, the. Her shooting the nails at him. She looks great doing it. He. They shot it. Well, it's, it's, it's. It's very. It's so thrilling. And then to have her fucking dad come up out of the water doesn't. It's like no one, he's like, can't be more than 10ft maybe. You know what I mean? Like, why didn't they get the body out of dad? [01:13:47] Speaker B: Her dad's been in the water for. [01:13:48] Speaker C: You mean fishing around. [01:13:50] Speaker B: Her dad's been in the water for ten years. [01:13:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Now that they say should be so preserved. [01:13:55] Speaker B: He looks. He looks like Michael Angelo. [01:13:58] Speaker A: That's not cool. [01:13:59] Speaker C: I think. I think the real miss here was that they didn't just wait a handful of years and make Friday the 13th part eight. Weekend at Bernie's two, in which voodoo risen. Bernie and Jason are having a battle over who can get the treasure. [01:14:15] Speaker B: Sorry. Sorry. Was a weekend at Bernie's not a part of the Crystal Lake universe canon? [01:14:24] Speaker A: No, not until Jason Tucker just is ruined. [01:14:30] Speaker C: So he becomes a successful businessman who. [01:14:31] Speaker B: Then resurrected by Tina. But he's undead. And then something happens and he goes actually down and then the boys have to come and pretend like he's alive all weekend. [01:14:41] Speaker C: Oh, boy. [01:14:42] Speaker A: But isn't. [01:14:43] Speaker C: There you go again. [01:14:44] Speaker A: Weekend at birdies two, where I think they use voodoo. [01:14:48] Speaker C: Yeah. Voodoo is the story for the second one. [01:14:51] Speaker A: Tastefully done. Culture and religion. [01:14:57] Speaker C: You're right. It is at the same level as Friday 13th part seven, the canon of great american films. [01:15:06] Speaker B: I think there's a whole, like Doctor Cruz, like Kaiser timeline that works in it also, you know, goes into mannequin two. If you ever see mannequin two, it's like another part of the Crystal Lake multiverse. [01:15:27] Speaker A: And that, you know, now since we've been doing like, the YouTube channel now, anytime you bring something up, I'm like, God damn it, we're gonna have to fucking find a photo. [01:15:38] Speaker B: It's a great one. Nothing wrong with that film. [01:15:43] Speaker A: So speaking of great american films, who, who walks into the video store that you're going to recommend this movie to? Mickey, I think I feel like Mickey. [01:15:55] Speaker C: Should probably go last. Like, this is like his, his bread and butter. [01:15:59] Speaker A: I was trying to take that away from him. [01:16:02] Speaker C: I thought you should lead up to, I mean, I mean, feel free to go if you feel differently. [01:16:05] Speaker B: But like, I know, I think either way, whenever I go, I'm still gonna give it a great soliloquy and people are gonna fall in love with this film and I'm gonna be. This is gonna be rediscovered and beloved and probably the highest rated viewing of all Friday 13th because of me. [01:16:23] Speaker A: You're welcome single handedly. Chris, who do you recommend this movie to? [01:16:31] Speaker C: Are you, you know, a coked out executive who wants to see a good example of how synergy can happen between two brands? [01:16:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:42] Speaker C: Watch this movie. [01:16:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:45] Speaker C: Are you like me and maybe need something to have on in the background while you do the dishes? This could be the phone for you. [01:16:54] Speaker B: Jesus Christ. Not sure about that one. Okay, I'm still with you. I'm still with you. [01:17:01] Speaker C: That's about all I got. [01:17:05] Speaker A: Michelangelo, are you like a young teenager looking to see some tits and you don't have Porsche available to you like everyone else? [01:17:19] Speaker B: I've never heard of Google. [01:17:23] Speaker C: Do you live in many a handful of states now that you have to put driver's license information in for a foreign website? You can watch the nudity of Friday 13th, part seven. And I guess that'll do something for you. But that feels weird if you're watching this for that. [01:17:41] Speaker A: If, are you. Do you have a DeLorean? And you've traveled back in time and little Chris is sneaking into the horror section and like, hey, buddy, watch. Watch this. There's boobs and gore. Not a lot of gore, but safe gore. It's a safe. It's a safe. This is a safe horror film, but it's not, man. I also like, it's not gateway. It's not good enough, in my opinion, to be gateway. I think it would be. [01:18:09] Speaker C: I hear you on this, though. I know you're kind of going to, it's not like, yeah, it would be kind of like someone that's not really into horror could get into this, but. [01:18:20] Speaker A: Like, it's not a good. Yeah, I don't know. Like, you recommend other films? Yeah, yeah, I got it. I can't tell you. I don't think I recommend this to just about anybody unless they say they're a Friday the 13th band, never part seven. It's like, I do think all Friday the 13th films are essential viewing if you're a customer at the video store. So this falls into that. But I don't, I don't know if I like, it's like, hey, do I see a bunch of handsome guys who are like, openly gay actors? Like, do a good job in a horror movie? [01:19:03] Speaker C: I'd say that's not very good. You think all them are handsome? [01:19:06] Speaker A: I think they're all handsome guys. So, so, Mickey, I can't imagine you would recommend this movie to anybody, but if you were, who would you recommend this to? [01:19:18] Speaker B: So look, you've gotten to hear from the two guys that, you know, I don't, I would never disparage their opinions, but they obviously have tainted palettes for good film. This I would not only recommend to everybody, but I would say, are you one of those, like, I have to get more specific. If I were trying to dial in this person, I'm like, do you enjoy the X Men? Do you like reading stories about people discovering their inner self and power? Do you think that women are worthy of having equal powers to the big bad in a film, then yes. [01:19:56] Speaker A: This movie is for you if you don't watch aliens. [01:20:05] Speaker B: Right. Are you a fan of Ripley then? This is Tina shepherd and Ripley are two in the same. They're discovering, like, they don't start with. [01:20:13] Speaker A: Two in the same or one of the same. [01:20:15] Speaker B: Well, two. Two in the same. Two the same. One in the not. Yeah, we got it. Yes. No, I, listen, go, go. Take my word. Have a good time. Don't take this film serious, but go watch a Friday 13th film that's actually trying to not just do the same thing repeated over and over and over again in all these films. It's not this film. This film is what I call a brash mash. It's like, you know, I've said this. [01:20:53] Speaker C: To McLennan, favorite brash mash. [01:20:58] Speaker B: It's a brash way of mashing up a lot of things. It's a brash mash. [01:21:03] Speaker C: You should probably be able to define. [01:21:05] Speaker A: It if you're gonna.