Sleepaway Camp (1983)

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome, listener, to the return slot of. [00:00:10] Speaker B: Euro real Carpenter's dream. [00:00:15] Speaker A: Of Chris. [00:00:17] Speaker B: I got this weird look from Chris. No, not registering. Okay, okay. [00:00:21] Speaker C: I know, I remember. [00:00:23] Speaker B: A poor. You're a wet carpenter's horror dream. A wet carpenter. I mean, that came. [00:00:32] Speaker A: Don't make it too wet. A podcast recorded by myself, Michelangelo, and Mickey in the basement of our video store. After hours, when the doors are locked, the VHS are rewound, and the moon is glowing pale blue on a brisk and breezy night, we like to hang out in the basement, light a campfire scented candle, crack open a drink, and discuss our beloved genre, horror. Every episode, we invite you to join us for a frosty libation as we discuss a film selected from one of our painstakingly curated subsections of the video store. Mickey, can you elaborate on that for anyone who might not know what the heck it is I'm talking about? [00:01:09] Speaker B: Of course. Well, back in the day, before there was streaming and even before there was blockbuster, there were these independent video stories. And to appease the appetites of the movie nerds like myself and Michelangelo, and I'm sure you, if you're listening, they would fill their shelves with anything they can get their little hands on, especially my personal fave, the video nasties. These mom and pop shops were responsible for taking the horror genre from limited matinees and drive ins to every rural town and suburb in America. But what really made these video stores special were the people working in the store, curating personalized sections based on their interests and the interests of their patrons. Recommendations based on conversations between two people, not algorithms. Sometimes conversations between three people. Sometimes we get crazy and we do four people. So here at the return slot, we keep that spirit alive and strong. We hope you enjoy perusing our sections and joining in our conversations. [00:02:08] Speaker A: Now, I'm going to warn the listener. This is a hangout drink and talk with friends about horror movies. Podcast. This podcast is just as much a reflection of ourselves as it is about the movies we talk about. Now, this week, celebrating the changing of the season, we find ourselves with our second film from this section, the camp, not a Voorhees section. Now, I think that's pretty self explanatory. Yeah, one of our guests is really that smile that. I can't see your shirt. You're far away on the couch. Um, uh, yeah, Friday 13th. Yeah, but we're not very much avoiding 13th. We're talking. [00:02:59] Speaker B: I wear the shirt for. [00:03:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we're talking films that like to Friday the 13th of camp movies. Fun camp, slashers camp, not a Voorhees. Now we are joined. This is a special evening for multiple reasons. Number one, you can watch this on YouTube. Not us, necessarily, but the cartoon versions of ourselves created by the masters and artists at negative kitty and presented by Red Tower on YouTube. [00:03:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Thank you, Red Tower. Thank you, negative kitty, for helping us make this happen. [00:03:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And if you're a constant listener and you want some images to go along with this and to see the cartoon versions of ourselves, please head over there and watch it now. Also, we have not one guest, but two guests. Number one, probably the most important person on the podcast, the voice of the podcast, without whom Mickey would be a shell of a man, the amazing actor, writer, comedian, actor. [00:04:13] Speaker D: What's up, chicken shits? [00:04:17] Speaker B: Wow. Coming in strong. [00:04:23] Speaker A: Now. Now, Molly, I understand you. You like myself. We're coming in hot from the gym. We got our workout on, and then we came down into this hot basement to talk horror movies. [00:04:34] Speaker B: This hot movie. [00:04:35] Speaker D: This hot movie. [00:04:37] Speaker A: So hot. Thank you. Thank you for being here. And of course, what podcast would be complete without my very earth sign? Beautiful friend, a real expert in all things. [00:05:00] Speaker B: Go ahead. [00:05:01] Speaker A: I don't even have to cut this out. I don't even want to broach it, the subject yet. But he's an expert in some of the themes that are layered. Very layered, very sophisticatedly. That's not a word. But it's. But tonight's film is very layered. It's very sensitive. It's very aware of sexuality. And Chris is really a pioneer in this field. So Chris really is basement tonight to lend us your professional voice and some of these more sensitive subject matters that are going to be coming up in the film tonight. [00:05:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:05:40] Speaker C: No, of course. Happy to be here. Happy to leave you from. Away from being canceled and into the light. [00:05:52] Speaker A: Are we gonna have to start apologizing to the people who were canceled? You know, it's like we gotta, like, you know, we've offended anyone. If the people you've offended or the. [00:06:02] Speaker B: Ones that are canceled. Yeah. Now we have to start apologizing for offending the ones who were not offended by the thing that offended all the rest. [00:06:09] Speaker A: Well, I'm offended that you're making fun of me. Now, before we get to tonight's movie, we got some drinks this evening. Chris, did you prepare a spooky cocktail for tonight's film? [00:06:25] Speaker C: I do, my friend. I've got a little cocktail. I'm calling it after my favorite character, Aunt Martha's perfect daughter. Punch aunt Martha. I mean little. [00:06:37] Speaker D: Yes. Aunt Martha. [00:06:40] Speaker B: Hmm. Yes. [00:06:49] Speaker C: I made a little lemon and key lime juice, lemonade, and then mixed in a little orange juice, grenadine, half ounce amaretto, 1oz whiskey, and a little strawberry as a garnish. [00:06:59] Speaker A: It's very, very pretty. Very cute. [00:07:02] Speaker B: Very pretty. Very cute. Thank you very. [00:07:05] Speaker C: Yeah, perfect for that little summer brew. Down eight cups and get wasted on the beach. [00:07:12] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. That's the way you do it. [00:07:14] Speaker A: How you doing, Molly? What are you. What are you having this evening? [00:07:18] Speaker D: I have a special drink because tonight, Mickey and I are sharing a drink. Our anniversary is actually tomorrow, but Mickey's gonna be gone, so we thought we would celebrate it with a little bubbling. [00:07:33] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:07:35] Speaker C: It's like the indy 500 up there. You guys are covering champagne. [00:07:41] Speaker B: This marks 16 years. [00:07:46] Speaker C: Nice. Congratulations. [00:07:51] Speaker B: Years. [00:07:52] Speaker D: 16 years. Yes. 16 years. [00:07:56] Speaker B: 16 years. What's that? [00:07:58] Speaker A: I believe it was a whole decade. [00:08:00] Speaker C: So nice for you guys this year. [00:08:04] Speaker B: So we're pounding champagne. [00:08:06] Speaker A: Congrats. Thank you for. Thank you for celebrating with us and celebrating with the listener. [00:08:11] Speaker B: Well, I blind. I blindfolded her earlier after she was done at the gym and said, I've got a special treat for our anniversary. Walked her down the step, she goes, I know that smell. Wait, I know that smell. And then took out the blindfold. Here we are. We're in the basement. We're doing. We're doing this. We're doing the show. [00:08:29] Speaker A: Maybe next time, don't use one of the socks you found in the basement to blindfold her. Just. [00:08:34] Speaker B: It was your sock. It was your sock. She was like, why does Michelangelo starch his socks? [00:08:42] Speaker C: Talk about flat as a board. That sock. [00:08:47] Speaker A: That needs a screw. That's what I'm. I am having. Because tonight's film was sponsored by Pepsi. I'm having a large glass of Zevia cola. That, and I put a cinnamon stick, some orange slices, and a touch of gin in there. And I'm sorry I was this. I got to tell you, my brain's a little fried. Like, tonight's going to be interesting. This movie broke me a little bit. I am blown away. I was very surprised by the amount of notes and organizing and preparation I had to do for tonight's film. Oh, wow. So I didn't have the time to come up with a cool, spooky cocktail name, but Chris or Mickey or Molly, if you come up with something that you think would be a good idea that goes along with the. Jen Cole. [00:09:50] Speaker B: I think it's Judy's. [00:09:52] Speaker D: Gin. [00:09:52] Speaker B: Judy's. I was thinking Judy's brand new tits. [00:09:55] Speaker D: Oh, Judy's. [00:09:56] Speaker B: Judy's brand new tits. [00:09:58] Speaker A: Molly come in with sophisticated and hilarious name, but I like that. [00:10:05] Speaker D: Judy's boobies. [00:10:06] Speaker A: Yeah, he'd even say boobies is funnier than tips. [00:10:10] Speaker B: Judy's new boobies. Let's not compare the two. [00:10:13] Speaker A: Judy's new boobies. [00:10:15] Speaker B: It is obvious that Molly is better than me in many ways. We don't have to continue to bring. [00:10:23] Speaker A: This is a gigantic Mason jar I filled up with all these, like, orange slices, and it's very. [00:10:28] Speaker B: The thing about marriage is, though, after you've been married for 16 years, anything that she does, I can take credit for, like, if she's funny on this podcast. [00:10:42] Speaker A: Great folks at serious kitty to really give Molly an interesting face there. [00:10:46] Speaker B: Negative kitties. Do they get serious kitty? [00:10:50] Speaker A: Because they're so serious over there. Serious about what they do. Negative kitty. I'm sorry. So tonight, let's get to the movie. There's no question that tonight's movie is a true cult camp classic. But was this midnight movie masterpiece crafted by a mysterious genius, or was it a combination of hard work, cluelessness, and luck? Join us as we attempt to find out this evening in fond memory of a great doer. Tonight, we are talking about 1980 three's sleep away camp. Now, Mickey, please tell me. And we're going to go through everybody on this. Tell me why. Why can't. In the camp not of Voorhees section. This was your must, must have pick. And then I got to hear everybody's history. Was. Was it. Was this anyone's first time? Tis I. Oh, we're gonna get to you. We're gonna get to you. I am so interested in that. Um, but. Okay, Mickey, why. Why? Uh, uh, sleepaway camp. [00:12:03] Speaker B: Sleepaway camp is. [00:12:04] Speaker D: Yeah, why? [00:12:05] Speaker B: Yeah, right. That came to me later. Uh, I kept saying the whole, like, after probably after Amda. I'm almost certain it was after Amda, but. [00:12:17] Speaker A: But I kept after the acting school, Mickey and I. Yeah. Where we met when we were 18, we moved to New York, went to an acting school. [00:12:23] Speaker B: Really, really was the burgeoning of this podcast. But somebody had brought to my attention the ending. So I kind of. They kind of spoiled it for me a little bit. They're like, you gotta see it, man. It's ending. It's ending. And I was like, okay. And they're like, it's crazy, man. It's crazy. So I was like, okay, all right, I'll watch it. The twist is crazy. So I watched that film, rough individual that was forced. My uncle, Uncle Eddie. I'm kidding. No, it's not my clay. [00:12:55] Speaker A: Of being forced to watch horror movies by his brothers. [00:12:58] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was probably Ryan. My buddy Ryan was. Was kind of hip to things even before I was. I. He is truly. Somebody should. On the show, should come on the show sometime. But watched it, um, didn't. Didn't really have a strong feeling towards it. The. The ending was like, whoa. Yeah, but not that as crazy as he's built it up. And it was just okay. And I remember being like, there are parts of it I like. There are parts I don't like. Um, I definitely enjoyed the kids for the camp factor of the kids, and not like the camp as in the physical location, but. But as in, like, just their banter, the way they react to one another. I I just find it very charming in this film. I love the cussing kids. I love the angst and anger. I love the. I actually love the females in this movie, and so kind of, like, was, like, cool. Glad I saw it. Cult classic. A lot of people love it. I don't think I'm really hip to it that much. And then years later, I was exposed to how did this get made? And they did it, and please check that out as well. But how this get made did it. And it kind of, like, made me get reinvigorated with it because I was like, I need to rewatch it. So I rewatched it that Halloween, whatever that year was, this was early in their runs, but watched it that Halloween on, like, an overnight in bed, and I was like, holy shit, this movie is better than I remember it. And I actually want to talk about this with somebody. And then I've watched it, like, I think one of the time since then and then now with Molly. And one of my biggest reasons for doing this one was because after the burning and after some of the other things we've discussed with Friday 13th, I think this is going to be an interesting one to navigate and to watch Michelangelo navigate as we talk about it, because it is. I know the history of it. I know a lot of, like, the stances people take on this film, and I want to talk about it. I think that I'm in a safe place with safe friends, and this is a cool movie that I want to talk about. And I do think that watching it with Molly even heightened it for me because we were laughing a lot through it, and I was like, I go to what people consider great comedies. I don't think I laugh as much as we were having fun with that movie. Last night, I thought. [00:15:11] Speaker D: I thought, like, a lot of guy laughed a lot. [00:15:13] Speaker B: Yeah. I thought a lot of the Judy lines were landing real good on me last night when we watched. [00:15:17] Speaker D: Oh, were they? [00:15:19] Speaker B: They sure were. [00:15:20] Speaker D: Oh, my gosh. [00:15:22] Speaker B: Yeah. So, hey, as far as I'm concerned, I really enjoy this film. I can't wait to talk about it, and I can't. I'm really most excited for the four of us to get into this film and talk about our feelings towards it. That's it for Mickey. Spelled m I c k e y. [00:15:39] Speaker D: Molly e g m o l l y. Um, yeah. Guys, I I don't think I can talk about it as long as Mickey just did. [00:15:52] Speaker A: Like, that's okay. [00:15:53] Speaker C: Yeah, that's fine. [00:15:56] Speaker D: DC. I mean, like, the whole time I was watching it, I was like, what? What? Why does the aunt talk like that? Why does Judy talk like that? Why? I have so many whys. [00:16:10] Speaker A: Why? Yeah, a lot of why. [00:16:13] Speaker D: Why was it so cold at the end? You can see the aunt's breath. So cold. It was like, damn, it is so cold in there. Felt so bad for her. I mean, it's goofy. It's a goofy film. [00:16:29] Speaker A: Did you have a good time? Was it entertaining? Were you engaged? Was it a slog? [00:16:34] Speaker D: I mean, I had a great time because, first of all, it's only 84 minutes, I think. Yeah. So, like, I don't know that I could have done 2 hours of it, but, I mean, 84 minutes. It was a fun watch. You're laughing. Everybody's over the top, you know? Yeah. [00:16:57] Speaker B: Were you surprised at all? Did anything surprise you? [00:17:00] Speaker D: Sure was. At the end. [00:17:06] Speaker A: Yeah, the end. [00:17:07] Speaker D: Are we going to the end right now? [00:17:09] Speaker A: Um, we're gonna. We're gonna, like, we'll save it then. Maybe. [00:17:12] Speaker D: Okay. [00:17:13] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe want to save it? Okay. [00:17:15] Speaker B: Let's say. But. [00:17:16] Speaker A: But where? I just want to know where you were. You shocked? [00:17:20] Speaker D: Yes. I sure was confused. [00:17:24] Speaker A: That's the best. [00:17:26] Speaker D: I was confused. I also kept wondering why it was lingering so long. I was like, okay, and then. And. And. No. Just gonna hold it. Just gonna hold it. [00:17:41] Speaker A: Yeah, you. That's the best. That's gotta be the best way to watch the movie is to watch the movie with other people, and especially at least one person who's never seen it to get to see the movie through their eyes. Because it is just like, what? What? What? [00:17:58] Speaker D: Yeah. It's not a movie I would watch by myself. I would definitely need someone to laugh with. Yeah. [00:18:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:04] Speaker A: Chris, do you have a history with sleep awakening? Yeah. [00:18:10] Speaker C: I saw this for the first time in high school, definitely. It was off of that friend of mine being like, you know, the total spoiler. Like, you got to see this film for the. An inappropriate phrase in the modern world. And so, like, you know, don't. Never had that chance to really kind of be surprised by the ending. Watched it, really liked it. I've never fully revisited it because of the fact that it feels like, in my head, one of those films, like, okay, I know the ending. I don't need to really rewatch it, you know, that type of thing. So this was my first full rewatch. Like, I've seen, like, arts again, that type of thing. First full rewatch since probably being, like, you know, 16 or 17, that type of thing, and I've forgotten so much of it and how insane it is at times and how amazing that insanity is, and I just want to sink my teeth into it. I want. I want an Aunt Martha prequel. I want. I want a prequel. [00:19:15] Speaker D: I just want to know why Aunt Martha, like, what is happening to the. [00:19:20] Speaker C: Relationship dynamics between the father, Aunt Martha, the kids, all of it. You know, that whole thing. I want to. Mel, the camp owner, original story. I think that, like, before this film, he's just beaten the shit out of kids. Like, you stole that snickers. You're trying to ruin me. [00:19:41] Speaker A: When male's nailing it, it's like, uh, borscht belt comedian. Mel, straight up brother of loser, brother of Columbo, the detective who somehow. [00:19:54] Speaker C: Who's somehow getting these teenage girls to be interested in him. [00:20:00] Speaker B: Meg, what do you do? What are you thinking? [00:20:03] Speaker D: I was like, oMG, Meg especially. [00:20:06] Speaker C: She's surrounded by these handsome as hell men. They're just ripped, wearing, hatching. [00:20:11] Speaker D: What is going on? [00:20:13] Speaker B: Like, nobody recognizes the buff so much. [00:20:16] Speaker A: Me G is down to DTF with me m e l and r o n n I e can go fuck himself. You know what I'm saying? [00:20:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. [00:20:30] Speaker D: Boys are letting the bits out. [00:20:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Was. Was this a fun rewatch for you? [00:20:38] Speaker C: Oh, it was fantastic. [00:20:41] Speaker D: Did you watch it by yourself? [00:20:43] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, absolutely. [00:20:45] Speaker B: Only way to, you know. [00:20:51] Speaker A: Teenage boy butts is. [00:20:54] Speaker D: And those Judy boobs. [00:20:57] Speaker C: But no, it was. It was awesome. Michelangelo, what's your history? [00:21:04] Speaker A: Thank you for asking. My first exposure to this was, how did this get made? I had never seen it, and obviously it's like a. It's got to be one of the best episodes that podcast has ever put out. [00:21:21] Speaker B: Certainly. [00:21:23] Speaker A: It's. It's. It's. It's a bonkers good episode, and I didn't feel the need to see this as a result of that. But then, just not too long ago, Ali was out of town a couple years ago, and I watched, uh, I watched the, um, shout factory dvd release of it. Um, that has the, uh, documentary at the waterfront after the social, the legacy of sleepaway can, um. And I watched it with. I would pause it and, like, Joe Bob did it on the last drive in, but it's no longer available. But you could just watch just Joe Bob. So. And it pauses with the time codes. So I was going back and forth, and I was watching it with Joe Bob and the. It's. It's a movie best watch with people in a group. [00:22:21] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:22:22] Speaker A: Most of our movies are. And I got to tell you, I was alone by myself. And the ending to me is so visually, like, outside of the plot of it, just the. The visual aspects of it are truly haunting to me. And really, really. [00:22:41] Speaker D: I really haven't had it in my brain since we watched it. I can't get it out of my head. [00:22:48] Speaker A: It's unfortunate, the expression she's making face. It has nothing to do. She's like a guy. It's. It's. It's all these elements that we'll get into. [00:22:59] Speaker D: There it is. There's the spoiler. [00:23:01] Speaker A: Yeah, we're gonna get into this, but it's just like, it's the music. Edward Bilious, who did the music for this, knocked it out of the park by far. The score of this is awesome, especially. But that. That ending, just on its own, without any context, is really like a home run slasher ending. You know? I don't think it's effective. It works. I don't think the story elements make sense whatsoever. Yeah. This is all outside story. [00:23:33] Speaker C: You're just walking. Just image. Yeah. [00:23:36] Speaker A: I was to show you the last seven minutes of this movie to anybody. [00:23:40] Speaker B: With no context, the most terrifying film ever made. The last, like, no, no. When it goes to her, like, the face is going and being stuck there and like. [00:23:52] Speaker D: Yeah, it's weird. [00:23:53] Speaker A: It's. [00:23:54] Speaker D: It's so terrifying. [00:23:55] Speaker B: I think so. [00:23:57] Speaker A: I would terrify. [00:23:59] Speaker B: I think the first, you know, you know, eight tenths of the film is kind of playing on a beat. Yeah. Or it's playing on a tone. 80% of the film is playing on a tone that then this kind of is, like, in a different tone. [00:24:16] Speaker D: Yeah, it is. It is. [00:24:17] Speaker C: I disagree. I think seven tenths. [00:24:19] Speaker D: Yeah. I was thinking, like seven and a half tenths. [00:24:22] Speaker A: 81%. [00:24:23] Speaker B: 81%? [00:24:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:28] Speaker D: I don't know that I thought, actually, guys, actually, I didn't. I just thought it was really messed up. [00:24:35] Speaker A: Did you get goosebumps? [00:24:36] Speaker C: No, no, I've never done that. [00:24:39] Speaker B: Hold on. [00:24:40] Speaker D: You get goosebumps? I was like, what? [00:24:41] Speaker B: But she. But there was like a element of. And this is what I saw where it's like you're watching it and you're laughing it. And then when this happened, molly goes like, like, what up? You know, like brought her up. She went, yeah. [00:24:55] Speaker D: Because I was like. [00:24:55] Speaker B: She goes, she was like that. Are they just gonna. [00:24:59] Speaker D: And then it just stayed there. It just stayed there. I was like, what? What? [00:25:02] Speaker B: I think was pretty effective. [00:25:04] Speaker D: That's what I said. I was like, what? What? What? And then I said, great. That's it. That's it. [00:25:11] Speaker A: Cut the green screen and song three times. [00:25:14] Speaker B: I say, you know, which I appreciate, and we'll get into it. I know we're gonna do a whole thing on the ending, so I'm going to hold it. But I appreciate the way they finish. [00:25:23] Speaker A: Now, this film was supposedly lost and rediscovered thanks to Fangoria and sleepaway camp movies calm in 2000. But according to Joe Bob Briggs, it's not true because he championed it on the movie channel back in 87 and 88. He liked this movie. [00:25:45] Speaker B: And the movie was a success when it came out. [00:25:48] Speaker A: Yeah. It made. Made 11 million. I'm curious if this is true or not, because. And we'll get into this as we talk about the director, my opinions about the director. But apparently it did gross 11 million on a $350,000 budget. [00:26:05] Speaker B: When it came. [00:26:08] Speaker A: It was cashing in on that, like in like 83, 84. So, I mean, like prime people want those slashers. So. [00:26:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:19] Speaker A: And despite some of the story elements, it's. It's a well shot movie, I would say, like, especially for a first time film director. [00:26:31] Speaker B: Yeah, first time. Everyone, I think, was the first time on that. [00:26:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I think. [00:26:36] Speaker B: You think the exception, with the exception of, obviously, James Earl Jones father, but yeah, yeah. [00:26:40] Speaker C: Robert Earl Jones. I think Robert Earl actually, he was great. [00:26:45] Speaker D: I could have used. I wish he had more screen time. [00:26:48] Speaker C: Same. [00:26:49] Speaker A: Right. [00:26:50] Speaker C: What happened was away. [00:26:51] Speaker D: He just. He just goes away and you're like, wait, wait. [00:26:54] Speaker C: He at least has means the only happy ending though, right? Him and the guys, they get a raise and buy. [00:27:03] Speaker A: Now. Okay. Oh, boy. [00:27:06] Speaker D: Every brown on that film gets to stay in the kitchen and make money. Everybody else gets killed. [00:27:11] Speaker C: Yep. [00:27:12] Speaker A: Now. Okay. Can we talk? I just want to. I want to. I want to. I want to do a. Before we. We get into the movie, necessarily, you're like, flustered. [00:27:21] Speaker B: I know. I love this pic. This is Chris. This is why I was so excited about this, because I cannot wait to see this. [00:27:28] Speaker D: I want her out of the bottle. [00:27:33] Speaker A: I have Molly riveted. [00:27:34] Speaker C: It's like, this drink is so good. Is that that new Alka Seltzer champagne? Did they say it's a plop? [00:27:43] Speaker D: Plop. [00:27:44] Speaker B: We're having a celebration over 16 years, man. We're just going straight for the bottle. [00:27:47] Speaker D: Sorry. Sorry. [00:27:49] Speaker A: So this is my new segment in celebration of your anniversary. This is a breakdown of who is who regarding Angela Peters family and Richie's fam. A rich. Ricky's family. [00:28:03] Speaker C: Ricky. [00:28:04] Speaker A: Ricky. [00:28:04] Speaker C: Oh, so you want to try to. You want to try to break that down? [00:28:08] Speaker A: Okay, so I have some notes here. I'm gonna go through it, please. Yeah, right. And then we'll try to put together what we can. Okay, John, wait. [00:28:21] Speaker B: He's doing. He's doing this for you. [00:28:22] Speaker A: Okay, John. Angela slash Peter's father, lover of the man on the beach, who is listed in the credits as Lenny. So we're gonna call the man on the beach Lenny? No, I don't believe his name is ever said. [00:28:35] Speaker D: Wait, wait. Lenny is the lover? [00:28:38] Speaker B: The lover. [00:28:39] Speaker A: Lover and father on the boat in the beginning. Okay, now, this is gonna be fun for. For Allie's people to put together great with the video aspect of this. So John dies on the boat, Rick along with Angela slash Peter's sister. Angela. [00:28:59] Speaker C: Yes. [00:28:59] Speaker A: Right now, Angela is Peter okay right now? [00:29:02] Speaker B: Right now. [00:29:03] Speaker D: Wow. Wait, I'm confused. [00:29:04] Speaker B: No, no. Okay, now. Yeah. [00:29:07] Speaker D: Got it. I got it. [00:29:08] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. So. [00:29:09] Speaker C: So, if I may, I feel like this should be like a family tree. Asleep. [00:29:14] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I was discussing if it's a family tree or is it like a conspiracy theory thing with the red? [00:29:23] Speaker B: That's fun. [00:29:24] Speaker A: So John's John and Lenny. Angela. [00:29:27] Speaker D: Okay. Angela, right. [00:29:29] Speaker A: Peter is left alive, but we don't know it's Peter at the time. [00:29:33] Speaker C: Told you. [00:29:33] Speaker B: We don't know. [00:29:34] Speaker D: We do. But then later, I'm like, oh, I guess it wasn't. Yeah. [00:29:38] Speaker A: Yeah. So now doctor Thomas flash doc slash Martha. Aunt Martha. Yes, mother. [00:29:46] Speaker D: Wait. Aunt Martha is Doctor Thomas? [00:29:48] Speaker B: Yes. [00:29:49] Speaker A: Is doctor Thomas's doc. Doc. Doc's coming. You got to come in. That's. That's Aunt Martha. Aunt Martha is the doctor. Doc. Doctor Thomas. She is the mother of Ricky, the cousin of Angela slash Peter. Now, she's on her way through the lake. In the beginning, she's separated from her husband because Lenny says Ricky won't be coming because he's with his father. Right. I don't know if she separated from him, but the father never shows back up into the picture. Ricky's father. Right, right. [00:30:25] Speaker D: This happens at the beginning. [00:30:27] Speaker B: Yes. [00:30:29] Speaker A: This is all beach stuff. But, like. [00:30:32] Speaker C: So wait, Ricky's father's not Lenny? [00:30:37] Speaker A: No. No, because he says. Lenny says no, because one of the kids are like, is Rick, is Ricky coming? [00:30:45] Speaker B: Ricky, come. [00:30:46] Speaker A: Oh, Ricky's with his father's father. He's not coming. Okay. [00:30:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:52] Speaker A: Now, Martha, is Martha the sister or sister in law of John or Lenny? Or is she a good friend who is regarded as an aunt? Is she trans? Is she gay? Is she crazy? Was she crazy before? [00:31:12] Speaker D: Crazy. Yes, crazy. [00:31:13] Speaker A: Does the separation or death of John make her crazy? [00:31:17] Speaker D: No, she already was. [00:31:20] Speaker C: I mean, you're getting questions. We don't know, and it doesn't really matter. [00:31:25] Speaker A: I know, but I'm still posing these questions because they're. [00:31:28] Speaker C: It's generally not best to be like, what's deal with that person? They trans or gay or something. [00:31:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:33] Speaker C: No, but, you know, let's just not worry about that. [00:31:37] Speaker A: The performance is so campy and it's. [00:31:40] Speaker D: So, like 1930s ish. Right. See. [00:31:46] Speaker B: I would say John Waters. I would say John Waters esque as well. [00:31:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:50] Speaker D: Yeah. But what? Wait, why do we think that she would be gay or. [00:31:57] Speaker A: That are out there? It's like she has big hands. [00:31:59] Speaker B: She. [00:32:00] Speaker A: She looks so strikingly different. Like the way they don't made up from everyone else in the, in the story. Her performance is so campy in general. [00:32:07] Speaker D: Like, maybe that's why she made Peter to be Angela. [00:32:12] Speaker B: Well, and if I may. And if I may, I think that there may have been intent and not, like, gendering her in the beach scene. Right. They refer to her as, like, non gender specific titles like docs coming. [00:32:27] Speaker A: I'm gonna get to that. [00:32:28] Speaker B: They say with. They say with his dad. So that could. [00:32:32] Speaker A: I don't refer to her as doc. Okay, let me, let me. Okay. Yeah. [00:32:36] Speaker C: This is, you know that classic riddle about the. The father and the son are in a car accident and they go to the hospital. This is actually all tied into that universe, right? [00:32:45] Speaker B: Yes. [00:32:46] Speaker C: Okay, good. [00:32:47] Speaker B: Okay. [00:32:47] Speaker A: Now, who is the man on the beach? Lenny. Lenny is the man on the beach, according to the credits. Lover. What is his relationship to John, the children and Martha? We know that he's the lover of John. Now, why do they refer to Martha as Doc and not Aunt Martha or Martha? Lenny is obviously John's lover. But are they a couple? Where is Angela slash, Peter's mother? Are the kids adopted. Is the mother dead? Is John's relationship with Lenny a secret? [00:33:22] Speaker D: I don't know. [00:33:24] Speaker C: Well, and also to one, the only thing I think you can say is like, well, they wouldn't refer to Aunt Martha as Aunt Martha because they're not talking to the children. They're talking to the two adults are talking to each other. [00:33:36] Speaker B: Right. [00:33:36] Speaker C: It'd be weird for them to be. [00:33:37] Speaker A: Like, why not Martha? [00:33:44] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, you try to take away a woman's. [00:33:46] Speaker B: Wow. [00:33:53] Speaker D: If it were a man, he'd be like, call me Doc. [00:33:56] Speaker B: Yeah. If this were doc. [00:33:57] Speaker D: Thank you. [00:33:58] Speaker B: Yeah, if this were a. We don't use last names. If this were just making up last names. [00:34:05] Speaker D: Very common last name. [00:34:06] Speaker C: If we're not, that can't be real. [00:34:09] Speaker B: If this were, yeah, I'll cut it out in editing. But if this were an eighties film about traveling back to the future, you would be fine with them calling the person doc. But you struggle with it being a. [00:34:24] Speaker D: Woman because she's also an ant. [00:34:27] Speaker A: So she's an aunt first, she's an. [00:34:31] Speaker D: Amp first, woman second, mother third. [00:34:34] Speaker A: She's not a doctor. Okay. [00:34:36] Speaker D: Yeah. Listen up, ladies. [00:34:38] Speaker B: She had to be. [00:34:40] Speaker D: Obviously, she was actually a man. [00:34:44] Speaker A: What do we think John and Lenny's relationship is? Are they lovers? Is their relationship a secret? [00:34:50] Speaker B: Go ahead. [00:34:50] Speaker A: Fathers to these two children. [00:34:53] Speaker D: I don't know. Is obviously a father. [00:34:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:59] Speaker D: To Peter and Peter's sister. Yeah. We don't know her real name, though. And then Angela, she says, we'll call you Angela. Angela's such a beautiful name. Yes, it is. [00:35:14] Speaker A: But it's also. Peter's sister's name is Angela. I don't know if they say that in the, in this, in the script at all. I don't know if it makes sense that her name is Angela, but according to the cast credits, Angela is the name of the girl who dies in the boat. [00:35:33] Speaker D: Okay. [00:35:34] Speaker A: Okay. I know it doesn't make any sense. I had to look this up. You will not glean this information from this, from the movie that you watched now. So I'm gonna skip a little. Okay, go ahead. [00:35:45] Speaker B: Well, no, I did say something. I think that in my reading of this is that John and, John and Lenny have a relationship. And they're open about it because they're around the kids with it. [00:35:56] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:35:57] Speaker B: And I think that with the kids, I think when we see the flashback and the kids see them, you know. Yeah. In some type of. [00:36:08] Speaker A: That's, that's the next section. I want to talk. [00:36:10] Speaker C: Okay. [00:36:10] Speaker B: Okay. [00:36:11] Speaker A: I bring that over and then. Okay. Please. Angela slash Peter as a boy, and Angela, his sister. Their sister, see John and Lenny and bed together. As a result, Angela slash Peter is with his sister in bed, and they're playing the game where you imitate what your parents are doing. Right. Or the. Yeah, they're playing, like, pointing at her. But is his intent to touch her? Because Angela slash Peter makes the points of, like, is. Is Peter gonna touch Angela? And then they now have PTSD from this moment as to whatever it is that happened. [00:36:59] Speaker C: I think it's just a misdirect. I think that's all that is. I think that's the intention of it. [00:37:07] Speaker A: Misdirect? [00:37:08] Speaker C: Mm hmm. [00:37:09] Speaker B: Yeah, like red herring, you might say. [00:37:12] Speaker C: Oh, it's the trauma between Ricky and Angela growing up, that type of thing. Like, you know, but then isn't it. [00:37:21] Speaker A: It's. It's Peter. Peter. [00:37:24] Speaker C: You don't know who it is at the time. [00:37:27] Speaker A: That's the same kid in the beginning who's playing Peter. [00:37:31] Speaker C: Okay, so you're right. [00:37:32] Speaker A: It would be Peter, not Angela, and the dad is still alive, so it would be Peter, not Ricky. [00:37:38] Speaker C: I guess it's a good point. [00:37:39] Speaker D: Mm hmm. [00:37:41] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:37:43] Speaker A: I think this movie is filled with misdirection and posing questions that no one knows the answer to. [00:37:50] Speaker D: So I think it doesn't. [00:37:51] Speaker A: I do understand it's futile. [00:37:53] Speaker C: Thank you for the bringing up pointless exercise. [00:37:56] Speaker A: Yeah, but I like, that's. That's the point of this. Right? It's like, I agree. Where else am I going to have these ridiculous conversations with? [00:38:04] Speaker B: I agree with Michelangelo. I like having these. [00:38:07] Speaker D: I think it comes in at a point where he does that. The camera spins around them and he points to her. It also comes in, I think, at a moment where you're. Is it. Is it when they're on the beach? [00:38:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:22] Speaker D: So it's like, kind of like, oh, there. Yeah. So maybe it is a little clue to some sort of trauma with that. [00:38:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Angela definitely has trauma from it. Right. At least that's the. That's what a moviegoer would get from that combination of those scenes being back to back. Okay. [00:38:42] Speaker D: So glad we. [00:38:45] Speaker A: I wanted to get that out of the way. Well, what. [00:38:49] Speaker C: I mean, we didn't really have a conversation about it. We just kind of, like, threw out some loose ideas. [00:38:54] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, well, do we. Do we want to, like, weave these into our conversation of the film, or do we want to answer some of them now? [00:39:03] Speaker B: That's probably best. Weave them in. [00:39:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:06] Speaker A: Yeah. So I love that this is shot in upstate New York, Glen's falls. I love all the autumn shots at the beginning. I think it's a really fantastically shot opening. [00:39:23] Speaker C: Oh, I love the ending kind of at the beginning. That montage. [00:39:28] Speaker D: A lot of pan dissolves. A lot of pan dissolves. [00:39:33] Speaker A: And, Mickey, to piggyback on what you were saying, I love all the actors in this. And mind you, like any criticisms I'm going to bring up during this discussion, it's like, not, no one's it. This falls all on the director, in my opinion. Yeah, the actors are great. I think you have, you have everything ranging from, like, solid b movie like performances up to, like, I think Angela, like, when she acts like her first line, I think she delivers it really well when she finally has, like, something to do. And I think, like, like a lot of these kids and a lot of the acting in it is, like, really good community theater acting. And I do not mean that as an insult. I'm a lover. Unity theater acting. But, you know, sometimes people hear that and they think, oh, no, you put it down. [00:40:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:29] Speaker A: None of these kids were professionals. They were. They were, you know, this is a lot of them. This is the first gig they ever did. And I think they did a great, fantastic job. And they did exactly what was asked of them and what was needed of them and probably surpassed, sure, a lot of the expectations the director may have had for them. [00:40:47] Speaker D: But why do we think Judy talks like that. [00:40:52] Speaker B: As the director? [00:40:56] Speaker A: Because she's mean. [00:40:59] Speaker D: Sure. I don't know, but I kept, like, at the end, I was like, I feel like Aunt Martha is Judy's mom because they talk so similarly. [00:41:07] Speaker A: Interest. Whoa, whoa, whoa. [00:41:10] Speaker B: Hot take. [00:41:12] Speaker D: I feel like, I'm not saying it is. I'm saying I feel like it put. [00:41:15] Speaker B: It in the canon could be like. [00:41:17] Speaker D: I like, wow, Aunt Martha should be Judy's mom. Because the way they talk, I think. [00:41:24] Speaker B: That part of the issue with Judy and the way she talks the way she does is because she's probably one of the older actresses there playing young, and she's playing, like, the snobby bitch. That was, like, big in the eighties. It was like, valley girl kinda, you know, because that was a big trope in the eighties to, like, the, the bully, you know, brat, valley girl. I think she brought that to upstate New York and nobody else was on that same wavelength. So it made it even stand out even more. Is that was my take on it? [00:41:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:57] Speaker A: That was supposed to be Jane Kraginski. Wow. Whose parents read the script and were like, no, my daughter's not going to be in this. [00:42:07] Speaker D: She would have been so good. [00:42:09] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I mean, she's, she's obviously fantastic. She's gone on to become a legend in her own right. Yeah, absolutely. [00:42:18] Speaker C: Probably good that she wasn't in this. [00:42:19] Speaker A: Yeah. I kind of feel like the. If you watch good choice. Good choice documentary, they talk about like, yeah, the kids got all cast in this thing and then, like, everyone but Felissa Rose, Rose's mom, all the other parents, like, dropped off their kids and we're like, okay, we're gonna go off and do our own thing. Have fun. Kids were totally unattended. [00:42:42] Speaker B: I heard, I heard. [00:42:44] Speaker D: Did you say documentary? There's a documentary about this? [00:42:48] Speaker C: If there's multiple, actually. [00:42:49] Speaker B: Yeah. It's a very popular culture. [00:42:53] Speaker A: I'm talking about at the time, they were called Scream Factory, but shop factory's special feature at the waterfront after the social, the legacy of sleepaway camp. And you can go. You can go to sleepaway campmovies.com. and they have a lot of trivia and information about the film. Is it a lot of it, I believe. I mean, is it, is this the stories that the people, are these the things coming out of the people's mouths that they're talking to? Yes. Is it the reality of how things happened? [00:43:28] Speaker C: Opinion, trivia? Not. [00:43:30] Speaker A: Yeah, there's no, there's no. How do you, how do you know? [00:43:34] Speaker B: Yeah, it's hearsay. Yeah. [00:43:36] Speaker C: But, you know, Rashomon going on at the sleepway camp. [00:43:40] Speaker B: You know, the actor who played Mike, is it Thomas Evan Dell? [00:43:46] Speaker A: Yes. Vandell. Tom Vandel is what I have looks like. [00:43:49] Speaker B: Well, Mike is the kid who gets Kenny. [00:43:53] Speaker C: Mm hmm. [00:43:54] Speaker B: Is that him? Then I might, I might have the wrong actor. [00:43:58] Speaker A: Are you talking about Kenny who dies on the boat? [00:44:00] Speaker B: No, no, no. Not Kenny. Who's the big was awful. [00:44:06] Speaker A: Ronnie? No, Ronnie, the head counselor who's always either. [00:44:13] Speaker D: Wearing tiny ladies. [00:44:15] Speaker A: His super power, his superpower is that he is always going to leave you when you need him or that he's going to show up after you need him. [00:44:22] Speaker D: Wait, which one? Wait, which one is which one? [00:44:24] Speaker A: Ronnie's the big muscle guy who runs the camera. [00:44:27] Speaker D: But there's two muscle guys. Oh, okay. [00:44:29] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:44:29] Speaker D: He's the one. When he came on screen, I was like, whoa. Penis. [00:44:32] Speaker B: Like this. This imagery put some clothes on. That outfit is everything. [00:44:39] Speaker D: These are wearing girls outfits. [00:44:40] Speaker B: Molly did say it was like, these are the outfits that I buy now. [00:44:44] Speaker D: I'm like, I kind of like that guy's outfit. [00:44:46] Speaker B: I would like the crop top t. [00:44:48] Speaker A: Shirt leader of bunk 19. Jean. I want Chris. I want to see Chris in that outfit. [00:44:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You know, the hair, the hairy bell. [00:45:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Great picture. A good picture. Really good on the man, I gotta say. [00:45:09] Speaker A: Ronnie's jogging suit. Red jogging suit at the end. [00:45:12] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:45:13] Speaker A: Perfect Halloween costume right there. That's a lot of good Halloween costume wardrobe. [00:45:18] Speaker B: I thought Ronnie's costuming was fantastic. I felt like Ronnie. Ronnie should be on the beach running with Sylvester Stallone and Carl. Weather, like, tomorrow. [00:45:27] Speaker D: But who's the other muscle? Yeah, who's the other muscle? Counselor. [00:45:31] Speaker B: I think that's who we were just saying with, like, one that wears the crop top. [00:45:36] Speaker D: Also has dark hair. [00:45:36] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of Ricky's cabin. [00:45:44] Speaker B: I also thought he was a great actor. [00:45:46] Speaker D: We watched him. Hey, he's pretty grounded when he does this. [00:45:51] Speaker B: He's taking, like, the sword down the throat or. It wasn't a sword. He comes back, he does his lines. He's like, here's how we're doing. Capture the flag. His capture the flag delivery is the most natural, grounded delivery of anybody in that entire film, any scene. It was so good. [00:46:06] Speaker A: Do you guys ever play capture the flag? [00:46:08] Speaker B: Oh, of course. [00:46:09] Speaker C: Yeah. I was like, really? [00:46:11] Speaker D: No, I didn't. [00:46:12] Speaker A: Neither did I. I do have a friend who played it when he was a kid in upstate New York. And he is not a privileged kid at all, but he was around privileged people, and he was playing capture the flag with this older guy. He was like an adult, right? And they had been captured, so they had to wait in the prison area. And this older guy was like, hey, why don't we just leave? And he was like, no. He was like a little kid. He was like, no, you can't leave. He's like, who's gonna know if we just fucking go? [00:46:41] Speaker D: Wait, this is a real story. [00:46:42] Speaker A: This is a real story. And the guy. [00:46:48] Speaker B: You said, they're out by prison guy. [00:46:50] Speaker A: No, no, no. When you're, like, you get captured. You have to be in, like, the little makeshift game. [00:46:56] Speaker D: Also is capture the flag. It's like a fancy game. [00:47:00] Speaker C: It's a privileged, not at all game. I don't know. [00:47:03] Speaker B: No, it's like. [00:47:08] Speaker A: A summer game. [00:47:09] Speaker B: I'll also say that we never played it the way they played it. They played it with, like, little strips in their pants that you pull out. [00:47:15] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:47:15] Speaker B: We always played as, like, tags. [00:47:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:17] Speaker B: It's basically tag. You're trying to get to the other person's flag, and if you get tagged, then you're put in prison. But we would sometimes play it where if you get tagged, you're automatically made into the other team. [00:47:28] Speaker D: So, like, kick the bucket. [00:47:29] Speaker B: It's actually very similar. [00:47:31] Speaker A: What's kick the bucket? [00:47:32] Speaker C: I was gonna say, I don't think I know. Kick the bucket. [00:47:34] Speaker A: Bucket can see you up. [00:47:37] Speaker B: You. You. You uppity Northeasterners play caps the flag. [00:47:42] Speaker A: From the midwest. [00:47:50] Speaker D: Where we played kick. [00:47:51] Speaker A: The bucket and so is Chris. [00:47:54] Speaker B: No, kick the bucket is similar to capture flag, only instead of capturing a flag, you're kicking a bucket. [00:47:58] Speaker C: Okay. [00:47:59] Speaker B: Each person has a bucket, or there's one bucket, actually. [00:48:03] Speaker A: Now, Molly, you may have just answered a question for me, but did you go to camp? [00:48:10] Speaker D: No, I didn't go to sleep away camp. [00:48:12] Speaker A: Sleepway camp. [00:48:14] Speaker B: She did like you, man. She went to, like, day theater arts camps. [00:48:18] Speaker D: Music and arts day camp. [00:48:20] Speaker A: I did go to arts camps. [00:48:22] Speaker D: I did that in Pittsburgh, though. [00:48:25] Speaker B: You never went to, like, a theater camp? [00:48:27] Speaker A: I wish. [00:48:28] Speaker B: Why did I think that? No, I thought. [00:48:29] Speaker A: Oh, I did all I did. [00:48:31] Speaker D: I went to dance and music. [00:48:36] Speaker B: You went to summer school? Yeah. So, Molly, you went to day camps? Were they anything. Were they anything like sleepaway camps? Was there any of this kind of stuff, like bullying and, like, people, like, taking sides and, like, you know, boys trying to coerce girls and girls being, like, stupid boys? [00:48:58] Speaker D: Yeah, sure. [00:48:59] Speaker B: There was that in day camp. [00:49:01] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, crushes and stuff, you know? [00:49:04] Speaker C: Is that just being a teenager no matter what the. [00:49:07] Speaker D: No matter where you are? [00:49:09] Speaker B: I guess that was by summer school too, right, Mike? [00:49:11] Speaker C: Yeah. Michelangelo. [00:49:14] Speaker A: Teenage boys, there's going to be bullying and making fun of, and it's going to be a nightmare no matter what. I think that's what. That's why I found my way to the arts was, like, it was a safe place where, like, everyone wasn't, like, ridiculing each other and, like, beating each other up in, like, bullshit macho stuff. It was like. It was just a cool place where you could, like, be yourself and you were, like, aspiring. You were aspiring to be something better. You were working as a group to create something better. Right. As opposed to just, like, fucking shoving your ass in each other's faces and. [00:49:52] Speaker D: Yeah, we didn't do that well. Oh, my God, that was so good, the sit ups. Yeah, I did laugh so hard. [00:49:57] Speaker A: Well, you ever pull that one? [00:49:59] Speaker B: I did. I've done that one. [00:50:00] Speaker D: Me? No. Yeah, yeah, but I'm gonna. [00:50:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was always a thing of, like, if you can hold their is. I was like, if you can hold your forehead. If I can hold your forehead down, the distribution of weight because of the top of your head, you will not be able to do a sit up. Yes, I can. And you'd be like, okay, here it goes. So then you take it and you'd put that, you'd put the whatever it was, like, towel over their eyes and head and be like, okay, hold on. Somebody would get in place and be like, I'm gonna put so much pressure. It's not gonna work when you pull it away, just like they did in the movie. And I actually, that was one thing I wanted to bring up when talking about this film. I thought that, although maybe slightly heightened and a little campy, that was a better representation of boys at a camp than, like, say, the burning was. Yeah, absolutely. These boys, I remember being at summer camp and, like, people breaking up fights at, like, the Thursday night dance for the last day of camp because, like, multiple guys liked one girl. [00:50:59] Speaker A: I remember, you know, girls dances would happen at camp. [00:51:03] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. Even these are church camps that I. [00:51:05] Speaker D: Went to, and they were toward recitals, toward performances at my day camp. [00:51:12] Speaker B: Yeah, this is sleep wake camp, baby. It's it's the whole dispute. [00:51:16] Speaker D: And I was also dancing, but I was performing. [00:51:23] Speaker A: I did find that, like, the, like, the behavior of the children amongst themselves outside of the slasher component was pretty believable. [00:51:35] Speaker C: Yeah, it was really natural. [00:51:38] Speaker D: Yeah. Throwing water balloons at quiet girls. [00:51:43] Speaker B: I thought that was a bit of. [00:51:44] Speaker A: An overreaction from Ricky, don't you think? [00:51:46] Speaker B: I mean, I love Ricky. When he, like, goes, he defends Angela. Here's the thing, though. I think that Ricky, like, I don't know if you ever had this friend. I'm hoping he shouldn't die, but, like. [00:51:57] Speaker D: Yeah, there it is. [00:51:59] Speaker B: Live. [00:52:00] Speaker C: That's a great comeback. [00:52:06] Speaker D: If somebody said that to me, I'll. [00:52:07] Speaker B: Be like, but I appreciate Ricky. [00:52:12] Speaker A: Ricky reminds me of my brother. It's, like, super confident, suffers no fools, and, like, a disgusting, filthy mouth. And, like, the only difference is, like, is, like, my brother would, like, totally have hooked up with Judy. [00:52:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:28] Speaker D: Ricky. [00:52:29] Speaker A: Every other girl at the camp. [00:52:32] Speaker C: He'S like, hey, remember me, Judy? She's like, no. He's like, all right, well, fuck you then. [00:52:39] Speaker A: Probably the only time in one of these films where a male character is like, man, she's being a bitch. And it was like, no, yeah, you're right. [00:52:50] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah. No, she is. She and Meg. No, Meg. [00:52:56] Speaker C: How did she become counselor? Yeah. [00:52:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:00] Speaker D: No. [00:53:00] Speaker A: Me g shaking the shit out of Angela and fucking. Okay, okay. Molly, can you explain? Can you explain Meg's pursuit of Mel? To me. [00:53:13] Speaker D: Uh, no, it's very confusing. When that happened, I was like. [00:53:21] Speaker A: You'D make sense with, like, Ronnie, right? [00:53:24] Speaker C: Oh, absolutely. [00:53:26] Speaker A: He's good looking, but Mel, I guess she's like, she's like, trying to get that camp money. [00:53:32] Speaker D: What the hell, Mel? [00:53:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:35] Speaker D: Yeah. I don't know. That was weird. And he. His reaction when she says, like, you know, you promised me dinner or whatever. When she walks off, his reaction of, like, the. I was like, yes, yes. Same reaction. I haven't even. [00:53:53] Speaker C: Mel's like, that's weird. What's wrong? [00:53:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:00] Speaker D: I was like, I. Oh, nobody gets either Mel. We don't know either. [00:54:04] Speaker B: Yeah, Mel played it right. [00:54:06] Speaker D: And then he's so, he's so ready to get revenge on whoever killed her. [00:54:11] Speaker A: Oh, man. [00:54:17] Speaker D: About, oh, Meg. Not Meg. Like, not my Meg. He's so angry. [00:54:26] Speaker C: And then like, what's that? Like, he, before, that, after? Is it the second death? He's like, I could see the darkness in him, but I didn't do anything about it. He's like, monologue. Like he's a revenger or something, like. [00:54:39] Speaker D: A superhero in the water, and he's not even paying attention. He's just like, trying to wrangle Ricky. [00:54:48] Speaker A: Shaking the shit out of him. [00:54:50] Speaker B: Mel's arc in this film is I must protect the camp at any cost. [00:54:56] Speaker C: To which I love it. [00:54:59] Speaker B: No, two, I've had a mental break. And that kid Ricky, he's the one responsible for all this. I have to get Ricky. [00:55:07] Speaker D: It's like, Ricky. [00:55:08] Speaker B: Where it goes. It's wild. And I guess because Ricky, go ahead, just. [00:55:15] Speaker A: Do you see him in the background in the water balloon scene? Like, teaching the kids how to swing a bat. He's just in the background like, no, I miss that. Kids, how to swing a bat. In the water balloon scene, he's probably. [00:55:26] Speaker C: Teaching them, like, when Ricky comes by here, you see. [00:55:31] Speaker D: I feel like when Ricky walks by. Got it. [00:55:35] Speaker B: This is one of those. [00:55:36] Speaker D: Cigar. [00:55:36] Speaker B: This is one of those. Yeah, that same cigar. [00:55:39] Speaker D: The whole thing. [00:55:40] Speaker B: I know. He probably shouldn't have smoked as much, honestly. Yeah. [00:55:45] Speaker A: I mean, Mike Killen, who played Mel, by the way, fantastic actor, was dying when he made this film. [00:55:58] Speaker D: Yeah, he died before it. Um, he never got to see it. [00:56:02] Speaker C: Yeah, that's might be for the best. [00:56:04] Speaker A: That's probably for the best. [00:56:06] Speaker B: His agent did. His agent was like, good thing he passed. [00:56:09] Speaker C: Thing I killed. [00:56:10] Speaker B: Did you know that? Did you, do you know the story of the, of the director's girlfriend? [00:56:16] Speaker A: I know a little bit. Where you going with. [00:56:18] Speaker B: Why would we know well, just the actor that plays male was like, a hard. No, his. His agent. It was like, there's just, no, we're not doing this film. And. But it's Michelle Tito Jian. [00:56:35] Speaker D: That's a fun name. [00:56:36] Speaker B: But she was longtime girlfriend of Robert Hiltzik, the guy who directed this. And they wanted to cast the actor who plays Mel. And he. And his agent was like, absolutely no, you don't want to take any part in this. This is way beyond. This is way above, like, below your. Your status. And she went and got him convinced to be on the cast. I think she also was responsible for what. [00:57:03] Speaker D: I was just looking at a quote. Go ahead. [00:57:05] Speaker B: But I'm also responsible for getting. I got to look at the cast list real quick. [00:57:13] Speaker D: Okay. While Mickey's doing that, can I give an Artie quote? [00:57:18] Speaker C: Oh, please. [00:57:19] Speaker A: Yeah, please. Oh, I want to talk about Artie. Yeah. [00:57:22] Speaker D: When all the campers are sprinting off of the buses, he says, look at all that fine chicken. Where I come. Where I come from, we call them baldies. [00:57:33] Speaker C: Yeah. And the fact that, oh, you know, Robert Earl Jones is like, they don't even know how dangerous you are. [00:57:46] Speaker B: Yeah. That would. Robert Earl Jones is a personnel. She. She helped get it. The idea. What I'm. What I'm trying to say is that we talk often how these films fail without a Debra hill. Right. We can all agree this movie needs. [00:58:00] Speaker A: Like, a woman's touch. [00:58:02] Speaker B: If you listen to the director, little Meg, his, his now wife, who was like, a girlfriend at the time, and they dated for, like, another 20 years where they got married. But Michelle to Togen, I cannot say, like, a fun name, but she was very instrumental in every part of this process of this film. And so, I mean, I'm not saying that she is the Debra Hill, and if you think that it lacks a Deborah Hill, I understand. But. But there was a female producer there the whole time really taking lead on this. I watched an interview with him the other day, the director, and he was just like, she was so instrumental in making this film happen. [00:58:36] Speaker A: She replaces Leslie. When Leslie falls off the boat with Kenny, the Leslie turns into his wife. [00:58:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:47] Speaker C: Really? [00:58:48] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know why. I don't know what the, like, logistical. [00:58:52] Speaker C: Maybe the actress doesn't swim or something. Like. [00:58:54] Speaker A: Or she didn't want to, or she's gone. [00:58:56] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I read on there that that actress said that she was like, I'm not. It was too cold. It was like when they were filming screaming and the water was so freezing cold that a lot of the people like, we're not doing this. [00:59:08] Speaker A: Kenny. Kenny, the actor played Kenny, ripped open his hand when he fell out of the boat and cut it. Rushed to the hospital. Okay, so Artie. He was okay. He was okay. Okay, thanks. And I think Kenny's great. His is the performance of. By the actor now, Artie. Chris. I feel like the scene where Angela and, like, Artie's got Angela cornered. I feel like my relationship with you is, like, Artie and Angela. [00:59:40] Speaker D: Oh, shit. [00:59:41] Speaker A: And I'm Angela, and you're already. It's consensual, but I play. Sure. [00:59:48] Speaker C: Yeah, no, and I will try to make it as uncon. [00:59:55] Speaker D: Where are we going with this? [00:59:59] Speaker C: I love how he dies in the most hilarious. Like, somehow, like, if you're standing on a chair and you get slightly pushed forward, you'll be like. [01:00:06] Speaker D: He's, like, gripping the shelves. [01:00:08] Speaker A: He did it. [01:00:08] Speaker C: He. [01:00:09] Speaker B: He did a full cropsy. [01:00:12] Speaker A: He did a full cry. What's. What's with that pot? Is that the. [01:00:18] Speaker D: Biggest pot ever? [01:00:20] Speaker A: Comical. [01:00:21] Speaker D: It can't be real. And there's no way. [01:00:24] Speaker A: I think that's what I was like. Is that pot real? I bet you. [01:00:27] Speaker D: Oh, it would, like, it would take so tall to boil. [01:00:30] Speaker A: You would think, make it wider. [01:00:32] Speaker B: But it also was boiling corn. And that's to say that corn sinks. The bottom actually floats. Yeah. [01:00:38] Speaker A: How do you get it out? [01:00:39] Speaker D: Yeah, it's like, you don't need that. The only way to get that pot down is what? How? [01:00:44] Speaker B: Like. [01:00:45] Speaker D: Like, dirty. [01:00:45] Speaker A: What. [01:00:46] Speaker B: What that pot would be used for is like a deep vat of oil that you drop a large thing into to fry. [01:00:53] Speaker D: No, the answer is super dangerous. [01:00:57] Speaker B: Hold on. [01:01:02] Speaker D: Sorry. [01:01:03] Speaker C: Shortly. [01:01:07] Speaker D: Pot is for cooking. [01:01:08] Speaker B: When you're. When you're. When you're deep frying a horse, when you're deep trying to hold it. It's like the Hansel and Gretel pot. [01:01:17] Speaker D: Yeah. Okay. [01:01:20] Speaker A: And there's. There is a funny, like, thing that, like, it's like a thing filmmakers do where it's like, just show the passage. There'll be a passage of time, but, like, screaming or crying hat is happening, and then a passage of time, and then that individual is still screaming or crying. And it's too great comedic effect, in my opinion. And we watched. We've reviewed a movie where this happens, and that's hereditary. When the mother is crying, when she finds out the bad news, and then it cuts to the funeral and she's still crying. The concept that she's been crying that hard, that loud, long is kind of funny. [01:02:02] Speaker C: Oh, it's hilarious. Yeah. [01:02:05] Speaker A: Support Artie. He didn't deserve that. I really had a lot of sympathy. [01:02:11] Speaker B: Wait, wait. Is already coming. Is already coming down the steps right now. Oh, hey, guys. Hey. This little chickadee over here. Are you doing Molly? [01:02:32] Speaker D: And then he comes out still buckling his belt. [01:02:35] Speaker A: And everybody's like, who even talks gross to the pot, remember? To the pot. [01:02:43] Speaker B: He's. He's just, you know what? He's just like. He's a guy who is like. So it's, like, disgusting. No, but. No, but perverted, yes, but just one of those. One of those creeps is like, it just sex is constantly on his mind because. Because he has some, like, weird relationship to it. I know that, Molly, but I'm saying, like, this is like, that guy that, like, he fucked, but not just like, it's like his interest is just. It's like everything. He's going to be fucking gross and disgusting too. And so fewer arties in this world. [01:03:12] Speaker D: So he does. He got what he deserved. [01:03:14] Speaker B: He did get what he deserved. And that. That was a pretty. [01:03:16] Speaker A: He doesn't die. [01:03:17] Speaker D: I was going to say, but did he live? We don't know. Probably not. [01:03:21] Speaker C: Like, the special effects. It looks like he has, like, a chemical burn. I look like boiling water. [01:03:28] Speaker B: Whoa. [01:03:29] Speaker D: It's instant. It's instant. And it's just, like, off of his cheeks. That was a lot. [01:03:36] Speaker B: He's like this film to too much, like, accuracy. I thought there was a pretty good effect. [01:03:41] Speaker D: And then the bees, the beast, the. [01:03:42] Speaker A: Bee sting, by the way, did the special effects in this. [01:03:47] Speaker D: And I think, I mean, they were. [01:03:48] Speaker A: They were mostly good during the. The, for no budget, $350,000. [01:03:54] Speaker B: Arrow. Arrow in the throat looked good. That's not an easy effect. That was a. [01:03:59] Speaker A: The actor who played Mel was like, I don't want to do that. They had to, like, they had to show. He had to, like, show it on somebody else before he was like, okay, okay. You're not gonna accidentally kill me. [01:04:11] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't. [01:04:11] Speaker A: This is a guy who's literally dying. He's like, ah, not yet. [01:04:17] Speaker B: No, no. Of lung cancer. Of lung cancer? Yeah. Yeah. [01:04:21] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what he died of. [01:04:23] Speaker B: I think it's. I think it's lung cancer. [01:04:24] Speaker D: I think you said lung cancer. Because then I was like, oh, he's smoking that damn cigar the whole time. [01:04:29] Speaker B: Not helping his case. [01:04:30] Speaker D: I don't know if he actually ever smoked it. Does he ever actually smoke? [01:04:32] Speaker B: He does. I saw him smoke it. Yeah. [01:04:34] Speaker D: Okay. [01:04:35] Speaker A: That sounded, sounded like a little kid. Oh yeah, he did. I saw him. [01:04:39] Speaker C: I saw, I saw him smoke. [01:04:42] Speaker B: I saw it, I saw it, I saw it. No, no, don't, don't know. I saw it. [01:04:46] Speaker D: I saw it happen. [01:04:48] Speaker C: Uh, speaking of him, real quick, I love him like the whole after it's Kenny's drowning him like trying to like do the circle logic talk everyone into, hey, probably just drowned. Yeah, yeah. You know there's no one else around here that murdered anyone. So. [01:05:02] Speaker D: You said it was an accident, right? Yeah, sure. Oh yeah, it was an accident. [01:05:08] Speaker B: Great police work in this film. [01:05:10] Speaker C: Oh my God, was it wonderful mustache. [01:05:13] Speaker D: Oh, that's where I was gonna go. Oh, the sweet, sweet stash right at the end. When they linger on that shot and he turns his head, you see the spirit gum. [01:05:28] Speaker A: Who did a better job? [01:05:30] Speaker C: It's like, it's like white masking tape that's been drawn on with a. [01:05:35] Speaker D: It's like from, it's from the dollar store. [01:05:38] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure it's who, who did, who did it better. This movie with adding the mustache that was obviously shaved off or the Justice League movie. [01:06:00] Speaker C: CGI. Yeah. [01:06:02] Speaker D: I'm making fun of Henry Cavill. Are we? [01:06:03] Speaker B: Oh, that's Molly's like crush. [01:06:05] Speaker A: It's not Henry Cavill's fault. [01:06:07] Speaker B: After 16 years of marriage, one thing I learned is you don't make fun of Henry Cavill. [01:06:10] Speaker D: Henry, they didn't mean it. [01:06:14] Speaker B: Henry, you're a handsome man. You look like, you look a lot like Ronnie. You got, you got that Ronnie bod. [01:06:19] Speaker A: Very handsome Ronnie. I love the hat Ricky decides to wear. [01:06:25] Speaker B: Do the big old cowboy hat. [01:06:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that takes some confidence throwing on a hat like that. [01:06:33] Speaker B: Ricky is so cool. [01:06:35] Speaker D: Ricky is. [01:06:36] Speaker A: Ricky's fucking cool dude. [01:06:38] Speaker D: Yes. [01:06:39] Speaker A: He protects his cousin. [01:06:41] Speaker D: Yeah, he's got a filthy mouth, but he uses it when he needs to, you know. [01:06:46] Speaker A: That's how he got the part apparently was improving. Like cursing. [01:06:50] Speaker D: Oh well, great. Well done. [01:06:55] Speaker C: I did most of my interviews. Unfortunately never works out. [01:06:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a. Yeah. I worked once, buddy. Molly for like us. [01:07:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a good point. Here. [01:07:06] Speaker B: For the last two days, like out of nowhere, Molly's go, you chicken shit. I'm like, wow, you're really being aggro, dude. [01:07:17] Speaker D: We don't say enough now and we should bring it back. What's up, chicken shits? It's like a little surprising. Yeah, yeah, it's good. It's good. [01:07:28] Speaker C: I agree. Do it. I'm saying drop at the next PTA meeting. [01:07:33] Speaker D: I don't go to those. Not that kind of mom. I know where my strengths are. [01:07:42] Speaker B: Not there. [01:07:46] Speaker C: Michelangelo, I had a serious conversation, a thing to bring up with you. Do you think that if you went to camp. What was the name of this camp again? I can't. It's got Arawak. Do you think that you an outcast? Because everyone wears crop tops covering the top part of their chest, and you try to reveal as much of your chest and cover your tummy as possible. So this be a reverse. [01:08:12] Speaker B: Camp? [01:08:12] Speaker D: Reverse. [01:08:13] Speaker A: I would try to acquiesce, and what would happen was I would end up with a thin piece of material covering some of my shoulders and across my nipples. That's it. Akin to a bikini top. Maybe like later housing, but just. Yeah, kind of like. And full tube socks and boots. [01:08:35] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. There you go. [01:08:37] Speaker D: Those were good. I did love the socks. [01:08:39] Speaker A: I gotta tell you, I hate shorts, but if I'm going to wear those shorts, I feel more comfortable in shorts that are basically underwear. [01:08:49] Speaker C: You like short shorts. [01:08:49] Speaker D: So does Ronnie. [01:08:51] Speaker B: So is everybody. [01:08:52] Speaker D: So does everybody on that. Also that. Listen, I don't know if you guys have ever worn short jean shorts like that, but when they're tight, sometimes they're not super comfy. [01:09:03] Speaker C: No. [01:09:04] Speaker D: If you have balls and a penis. Right. I imagine it's very binding on the baseball scene where he's in the. [01:09:12] Speaker B: It's also a little freeing. [01:09:13] Speaker D: Freeing? [01:09:14] Speaker B: Yeah. You can go to one side of the other. [01:09:20] Speaker A: Shorts. Yeah. Jean shorten shorts. [01:09:23] Speaker D: Jean short. That's it. [01:09:28] Speaker B: To a side. [01:09:29] Speaker A: I feel like it just pop out. [01:09:31] Speaker C: With, like, tight denim. You draw a big line across. [01:09:38] Speaker D: Equal that denim. That's non stretch denim. [01:09:41] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:09:44] Speaker B: I need. I need to mind this for a second. The Mason Dixon line of your balls on you. Chris, which one is the north and which one is the south? [01:09:52] Speaker C: Oh, the right is definitely the south. It keeps talking about southern heritage. And the left, we got to keep it together. [01:10:01] Speaker B: Your right ball is constantly waving that confederate flag. But while we're on arrow, act the name of it. [01:10:05] Speaker D: I'm on balls. [01:10:07] Speaker B: The actual original name of that camp was Camp Algonquin. And how they went to as a kid. Yeah. And they changed to Arawak. And do you know what Arawak is? The Arawak tribe? [01:10:20] Speaker D: India. [01:10:21] Speaker B: No, it was the first tribe that. [01:10:24] Speaker D: Christopher Columbus came across that Christopher Columbus took out. [01:10:29] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [01:10:31] Speaker A: Shit. [01:10:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Very, very cool culture, actually, they mickey the women. Well, if you read the people's. Oh, gosh. What's the name of the book? [01:10:44] Speaker A: The people's history of the United States. [01:10:46] Speaker B: Yeah, it opens up and talks about arrow. Yeah, it talks about the Arawak people and, like, how their actual, like, their. Their cultural hierarchy had. Yes. People's history. The United States, Howard. It had women as. As, you know, as high as. As men. There was no, like, patriarchy. And the women were actually. [01:11:05] Speaker D: Christopher Columbus came in and said, uh, uh, that's not how we. [01:11:09] Speaker B: Religion kind of changed that for them. But, um. But they were excellent swimmers, and they provided a lot of, like, fishing and stuff like that for the tribe. So, actually, very cool tribe. And, uh, when I saw camp Arawak, I was like, well, that's kind of cool because those people were badass. Uh, and the women in that. That tribe were societally as valued as any other member of that society. [01:11:29] Speaker D: So, like the Vikings. [01:11:31] Speaker B: So. And I. And I have to say that at Camp Arawak, I thought the women were. Had as much agency as the men. Do you agree, Molly, or. No? [01:11:41] Speaker D: I haven't thought about it. [01:11:43] Speaker B: I actually thought they did. [01:11:45] Speaker D: Meg. [01:11:47] Speaker B: I hearkened to the scene where the boys are trying to get them to skinny dip. If this had been an f 13, if this had been the burning, there would have been some gratuitous nude scenes of women swimming with them. Girls, they did not get girls like, you sound like. No. Where it sounds like a bad thing. [01:12:04] Speaker D: And then the boys were like, we'll do it. [01:12:06] Speaker A: Yeah, very boy reaction. Very boy reaction. Go like, fuck you. We're gonna fucking get naked, swim together anyways. [01:12:15] Speaker C: Then we'll desperately want your attention, please. [01:12:18] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. You guys ever skinny dip? [01:12:23] Speaker D: No. [01:12:23] Speaker C: No. [01:12:24] Speaker D: Especially not in a lake. [01:12:26] Speaker A: Yeah, a lake is a bad idea because things could bite you and. [01:12:30] Speaker C: Yeah, what is a good choice? So, rivers cold. I mean, what have you skinny dipped in? [01:12:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I would like. Yeah. [01:12:38] Speaker C: So as the skinny dip enthusiast of the podcast. [01:12:41] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:12:42] Speaker C: What would you recommend for a skinny dip for the listener? [01:12:45] Speaker A: If you go into your bathroom, there's this thing called the tub. You fill that sucker up, you skinny. [01:12:51] Speaker D: Dip in your tub. [01:12:52] Speaker C: Hold on. [01:12:53] Speaker D: So smart. I'm so glad you guys are on here. I'm glad I can learn from you. [01:12:58] Speaker A: Soap? No, um, I snuck. If you can sneak into a pool, I find that I will only skinny dip in a pool because I'm afraid of a turtle biting my privates or something. But, like, it does, like if you're in a safe environment and a. It feels. It's one of the most relaxed to feel the water just like, go. It just. There's something like in a very non sexual way. There's something coming that very natural about it, and it feels. It just felt like it's probably the nakedness. [01:13:38] Speaker C: So it's. Yeah, yeah. You're just. You'd like being naked in water. It's got nothing to do about being sneaky or about being. [01:13:44] Speaker D: Makes you feel like you're. You're back in the womb. [01:13:48] Speaker A: I thought of my mother. [01:13:50] Speaker C: Well, that's. [01:13:53] Speaker A: That's true of everything. [01:13:56] Speaker D: And then you just go, skinny dip. [01:13:58] Speaker C: I mean, to be fair, she's a doer. [01:14:01] Speaker B: She is a doer. You get in the fetal position, right in the water. Oh. [01:14:09] Speaker A: Um. [01:14:11] Speaker D: Sink right to the bottom. [01:14:17] Speaker B: No, but McLangella does sink. It's not. I know. [01:14:19] Speaker A: I know. [01:14:20] Speaker B: You're being funny. But he does sink. [01:14:22] Speaker D: He's just gonna sink right to the bottom because he jumps in, goes feet open. [01:14:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:26] Speaker D: And then just sinks to the bottom. [01:14:27] Speaker B: He doesn't know how to float. [01:14:28] Speaker A: I don't float. [01:14:29] Speaker C: Hmm. [01:14:30] Speaker A: I don't. [01:14:31] Speaker C: Fuck it. [01:14:31] Speaker A: You're gonna be like every. Like, I had. I already went through this with them last summer. They're like, no, we'll show you how to float. And then we do it, and it's like, oh, yeah, you sink. People who sink. And some people, it's like, what is it like when you're washing fruit? Right? Is it the shitty fruit floats in the good sinks? [01:14:51] Speaker B: That's not true. I think you're talking about. I think you're talking about turds and. Yes. [01:15:01] Speaker A: The shitty turds versus. [01:15:08] Speaker C: You need to take that floating class taught by pennywise. [01:15:12] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, just go in. This. [01:15:17] Speaker A: One of Chris's favorite segments of any book comes towards the end there. [01:15:22] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, it's great. Not problematic at all. [01:15:28] Speaker A: Did. So did you guys ever do the shaving cream prank that gets done on Mozart? Yeah, that was a classic one to do. [01:15:37] Speaker D: I used to do the warm water, too, because, like, if you put there hand in warm water, supposed to pee the bed. I don't think it ever did. [01:15:44] Speaker C: Yeah. There's not that age to your friends, though. [01:15:49] Speaker D: That's important. Yeah, I think. [01:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:52] Speaker D: Were you guys the ones that stayed awake at the sleepovers generally? [01:15:57] Speaker A: I never went to sleepovers. I slept over at friends houses as the only individual sleeping over, but I never went to a sleepover. [01:16:06] Speaker B: Oh, we got to fix that, buddy. [01:16:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I was very sleepover how my childhood went regarding sleepovers. But, yes, I would love a sleepover now. Are you kidding? [01:16:16] Speaker D: Were you happy? Or do you not know if you were happy about it because you never experienced the group sleepover? [01:16:21] Speaker A: Fair enough. And a lot of my childhood and life has been filled with depression and fear and anxiety. [01:16:26] Speaker C: So you need a. You need some aunt Martha therapy. [01:16:33] Speaker A: Why? I think a whole. I need. I think I need a whole bag of it. [01:16:37] Speaker D: It's a whole bag. Yes. [01:16:40] Speaker A: I tied the string around my finger to remind myself that I am depressed and I have anxiety. [01:16:46] Speaker D: String around my finger. [01:16:52] Speaker B: I'll tell you a shaving cream. Funny story. So, you know, one of our best friends, Justin, he's a neighbor of ours. I probably mentioned him on the podcast for. But we were adults. This was probably two or three years ago, and we were doing a job where we were, you know, like, this was during the pandemic. We had to go away. [01:17:12] Speaker D: Stole the toilet paper from you. [01:17:14] Speaker B: No, this is. No, this is not that. But this is when we were all down for that early version of the air force job, but we're down there and he falls asleep. He is a chronic napper. He's one of those guys that just. If he can find a time to nap, he'll find a time to nap. And we were in between doing stuff, and we were back at the house, but we got an airbnb, and he was like, I'm going to take a quick nap, guys. And I was sitting there with a bunch of group of people that we were working with. I was like, I'm going to shaving cream him, because his hand was, like, right there. So I put shaving cream on it, tickled his nose. He went full bore. Shaving cream in the face. [01:17:45] Speaker D: Did I see this? [01:17:46] Speaker B: No. No. This is. This was the one where Christine. So full shame cream on the face, and we were all laughing, having a great time. He, you know, obviously wakes up from it, looks up. I've never seen anger in somebody's eyes like that. [01:18:01] Speaker D: He was so angry, the toilet paper. [01:18:04] Speaker B: He got up and came running towards me. And the other guy who did it, like he was gonna hurt us. And we got so scared, we ran outside just to get away, and he locked us out of the house for an hour and we couldn't get back in. And then we did get back in. He didn't need. Not to me, but to the other guy. He cut a hole in the crotch of every one of his underwear. [01:18:24] Speaker A: That's. That's a ridiculous response. [01:18:26] Speaker B: It is, isn't it? I agree. I was like. [01:18:28] Speaker A: I was like, yeah. [01:18:29] Speaker B: I was like, I will never be able to prank you again because. Because how far you take the prank. [01:18:33] Speaker D: That's why he does it. [01:18:35] Speaker B: And that poor poor guy. [01:18:37] Speaker A: Shaving cream prank. [01:18:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, but that poor guy that he did the underwear to, it was like. That guy was like, that's all my underwear. It's like I brought literally every pair of underwear I own, and they all have holes in the crotch now. [01:18:48] Speaker A: I would be so upset. [01:18:50] Speaker B: Yeah, it was upsetting. [01:18:51] Speaker C: Go to target, spend $20. [01:18:53] Speaker B: But. [01:18:55] Speaker A: My underwear is expensive. Oh, I wear good underwear. [01:19:03] Speaker B: Wow. Weird flex. Weird flex. [01:19:08] Speaker D: My underwear are comfort thing are the better they are. That's right. [01:19:16] Speaker C: No, that's cheap underwear. Was really chafing the golden pants that you were wearing. [01:19:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:21] Speaker C: While you're in your faberge eggs, probably. [01:19:27] Speaker A: I eat fabric eggs. Michelangelo, why are you. That's a lot of, like. You could be selling those eggs and buying food. [01:19:38] Speaker C: There's a lot of blood pouring out of the size of your mouth. [01:19:41] Speaker A: Don't tell me how to eat. Judy. Oh, Judy, man. [01:19:47] Speaker D: Judy, Judy, Judy, Judy. [01:19:49] Speaker A: Judy just wants to watch the world burn, I think. [01:19:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:53] Speaker D: While she's making out. [01:19:55] Speaker C: Watch. Geez. [01:19:57] Speaker A: She. You know, most people don't know this, but she survived the. The camp and went on to become a psychologist. Tried to help this crazy dude out. Ended up falling in love with them. Yes, they're together to this day. [01:20:13] Speaker D: Wait, what? [01:20:17] Speaker C: No Harley Quinn backstories? [01:20:19] Speaker A: It was a stupid joke. What the fuck's up with Julie or Judy, right? Jesus. [01:20:27] Speaker B: I want a female perspective. [01:20:29] Speaker D: I know she got some boobs. [01:20:31] Speaker A: She got. What it is. She got some boobs. [01:20:33] Speaker D: She got. She got the tude and she likes to make out. [01:20:38] Speaker A: Okay, not too wet, not too wet. [01:20:42] Speaker D: And then she likes to put her arm up and she likes to cock her head real awkward sideways, just go in for it. [01:20:49] Speaker B: So Molly did. Were there. And now I don't know this because I did not have the girl. Like, you weren't a girl that was not in the girl room talk. But were there, Judy's, when you were growing up? Like, girls that, like, all of a sudden maybe blossomed a little bit earlier than the other girls and therefore acted like total mean people to the other girls. Were there mean girls like that? [01:21:09] Speaker D: I mean, there's always mean girls, but I don't know if they. If it's because they got boobs first, but, yeah, I mean, you're always kind of jealous of the boobs first, though, you know? [01:21:20] Speaker B: Are you okay? [01:21:20] Speaker D: Yeah, you are a little bit. It's like the bra is a whole thing, you know? Some girls get to wear a bra earlier than others, you know? Yeah, but, yeah, there's always mean girls. [01:21:32] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's but you don't think they don't become mean girls because of the boobs. They're probably mean girls. [01:21:37] Speaker D: Mean girls. I think they're just. I think mean girls are just mean girls. [01:21:40] Speaker B: Okay. [01:21:42] Speaker C: Your theorem that the bigger the breast size, the meaner the woman. [01:21:45] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:21:46] Speaker C: That is not a direct corollary, but, man. [01:21:49] Speaker B: Proven wrong. Proven wrong. We could, like, usually without Molly here, the three of us could have talked about that for 30 minutes. With Molly here, it's like, no, that. [01:21:57] Speaker A: Explains why you're punching the playboys. [01:22:01] Speaker B: Like, fucking mean, these mean girls. How do they find all these mean girls in one magazine? [01:22:06] Speaker D: So mean? [01:22:10] Speaker C: You know, real quick, in defense of Judy and Meg. Although. [01:22:14] Speaker B: Fence. Yeah. [01:22:15] Speaker C: Okay. [01:22:17] Speaker D: Why? [01:22:18] Speaker A: Okay, go on with what you were saying. In defense of Judy and Meg and Artie. Go ahead. [01:22:23] Speaker C: Well, I mean. Yeah, one of these is a hero. The other two. [01:22:31] Speaker A: You can't figure out what I'm talking about? [01:22:33] Speaker D: Somebody hit mute. [01:22:34] Speaker C: No. So Judy and Meg, like, they're needlessly mean to a level that is like. Has, you know, is ridiculous. At the same time, I will say if you were, like, you know, getting to a cabin situation with your friends and strangers, and there's this girl that you've never met before who is just staring at you in a catatonic stare. [01:22:56] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:22:56] Speaker C: It doesn't say a word. You're gonna probably especially, like, teenage years, kind of become a bit of a bully to them. You know what I mean? Like, I disagree with. [01:23:06] Speaker D: You have to be a bully to. [01:23:07] Speaker C: Them, but I'm saying to a level, that is unrealistic. But I'm just. [01:23:12] Speaker A: You could become a bully. [01:23:14] Speaker C: The ostracized weirdo. And there's probably going to be some stuff going down. [01:23:19] Speaker D: So. [01:23:23] Speaker C: You three. I'm not saying that Judy deserved to be raped by a curling iron, but you three. Dude, very strange. [01:23:29] Speaker D: Can I make a comment about that curling iron? It was not even on. It was not even on. She curls that little tiny strand of hair, and then when she lets it go, the hair goes. It's just straight hair, no curl. [01:23:44] Speaker C: And the fake singe marks, whenever she picks the hand, picks it up, it's like the black. [01:23:49] Speaker D: And then her hands go up in the shadows. [01:23:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:55] Speaker D: Jazz hands. [01:23:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:23:57] Speaker D: Okay. Sorry. Yeah. [01:23:59] Speaker A: Did you ever get burned from a curling iron? [01:24:01] Speaker D: Oh, please. So many times, actually, I got. Oh, it hurts so it's like 400 degrees or something. I got burned so bad. One time I was curling my hair, and it. Sometimes it just. I don't know, I just. User error. And it, like, fell and hit my neck. Wait, was it my neck and my shoulder? I don't know. But what I do know is that I had to go pick up Campbell from school, and it was one of those burns that just bur, feels like it's. The curling iron is just still on your skin for hours after. So painful. So painful. And I've also, multiple times, accidentally not paying attention, picked up the curling iron from the hot end. [01:24:48] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:24:52] Speaker D: Yeah. A lot of forehead, you know, edge of the hairline. A lot of burns there when you're, you know, trying to get those little guys. Yeah. Yeah. [01:25:03] Speaker B: Now you think you would have figured that out. [01:25:04] Speaker D: Sorry, guys. [01:25:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, you would think. [01:25:07] Speaker D: Sorry. [01:25:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:09] Speaker A: Now, why do you think Angela leaves the clamp open? [01:25:15] Speaker D: I don't know what she does. What does she do? [01:25:18] Speaker A: It's going in her vagina. According to Felicia, the actress. [01:25:24] Speaker D: How does that kill her? [01:25:28] Speaker A: She has an orgasm so intense that she dies. [01:25:40] Speaker D: Angela. No. Hey, Judy, I heard you like it hot, huh? [01:25:46] Speaker C: Doesn't like it wet. I mean, you know, doesn't like it wet. [01:25:50] Speaker B: Dry. Super dry. Super dry. [01:25:52] Speaker C: Dry. [01:25:54] Speaker D: Yeah. I was confused on how a curling iron could kill you. [01:25:57] Speaker B: Well, there was a, there was a scene that. That they had for that to show Judy. Judy's aftermath, but they had to remove it. I know it's. Yeah, it's definitely not on any, like, version you can find. But they did have, like, a post. [01:26:12] Speaker D: Duty, so it is just for effect, because also, when you die, your hands. It's like your hands immediately stick up. [01:26:21] Speaker B: But if you're. But if you're having an intense orgasm. [01:26:25] Speaker C: But that's, I guess a question, right? Like, is she being killed by that action or is she also being suffocated with the. The pillow over the face? [01:26:33] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:26:33] Speaker C: That's actually killing, like, the other case, the torture in. But then why would you. [01:26:38] Speaker D: Yeah, it's like, I'm gonna torture you. [01:26:40] Speaker C: And then wouldn't, like. [01:26:43] Speaker D: Yeah, she's got, I don't know. [01:26:45] Speaker A: It's a mystery from Mike. So she doesn't have the strength from the blue ball. Fight back. [01:26:55] Speaker B: She needs more than vitamin E. Don't think. [01:26:57] Speaker C: I don't think Mike got her that near there. I don't think that's. [01:27:00] Speaker A: Oh, Mike was the good, like, you know, by the way, Mike, stick around. Lightning doesn't strike twice, you know? I'm saying, like, Mel already stopped in. You're in the clear now, you know. Yeah, I think he just doesn't. [01:27:14] Speaker D: Like, also Mel just barges in. He just. [01:27:18] Speaker C: Yeah. Into the cabin. [01:27:20] Speaker D: No, nothing. Well, I mean, listen, me g, like, he likes the girls, I guess, and thinks he has permission now he's, he's feeling, he's feeling confident, you know, with the ladies who just barges on in. [01:27:36] Speaker A: Let me ask you this. Do you guys. So at this point in the movie where Mel and Ronnie, right, right before we have the scene where they're like, there's only 25 campers left, right? [01:27:49] Speaker C: There's way more than 25 campers left in the next shot. [01:27:53] Speaker A: But it's like, do you, are you guys, as parents, are you gonna keep your kids or your kid camp in the camp? [01:28:04] Speaker C: No. [01:28:04] Speaker A: What if you're on vacation, having a great vacation? [01:28:07] Speaker D: You leave. You leave. [01:28:09] Speaker C: There's been three deaths in, like, four days or whatever, or five. [01:28:13] Speaker D: But the parents don't know. But the parents don't know. Mel's trying to hide that deposit. [01:28:18] Speaker C: True. [01:28:18] Speaker D: Mel's. Mel's trying to hide it. He's like, oh, it was an accident. It was an accident. Yeah. [01:28:24] Speaker A: Okay. Now that Molly's voiced her ridiculous opinion, can I hear your opinion, Mickey, as to what you would do? [01:28:32] Speaker B: It depends. [01:28:33] Speaker C: Yeah, there you go, Molly. [01:28:34] Speaker A: Don't look at him. Don't look at him. [01:28:36] Speaker B: It depends. [01:28:38] Speaker A: More champagne? And answer the question. [01:28:43] Speaker B: If I'm getting calls from Mel, the director, and he's like, damnedest thing happened. Kids allergic to beasts. Bees got him. You know what I mean? I'd be like, I understand the kids are having a great time. It's fine. I'd be like, okay, keep them there for that one. Then if it's already getting burned. I'm like, yeah, it's fine. You know, get that guy out of there. I don't care. [01:29:02] Speaker D: You got burned one, you go, hmm, this is weird. [01:29:07] Speaker B: I don't know that I do. And then what would be the, what was the kill right before, like, they lost Kenny was before. [01:29:13] Speaker A: And then, yeah, so Kenny the drowning. [01:29:17] Speaker B: I mean, a drowning kid at a, at a sleepaway camp. I mean, I just know that for the course. [01:29:23] Speaker D: But that, you know what that tells me? That tells me, that tells me people aren't paying attention, and that tells me I'm going to pick him up. [01:29:30] Speaker C: So you, someone who loves Friday the 13th films is like, yeah, it's a sleepover camp. I'm sure the counselors are going to be off having sex, and some of the kids are going to drink. [01:29:39] Speaker B: A couple kids are going to try to be mine. Mine knows how to swim. Mine's going to know how to swim. It's me. Fun. Fine. [01:29:45] Speaker C: I like it. The media hasn't changed your belief. [01:29:50] Speaker D: Our youngest did go to sleepaway camp. [01:29:52] Speaker B: He did. [01:29:55] Speaker A: Twice. Did he take any wicked shits? [01:29:58] Speaker D: Probably. [01:29:58] Speaker B: Oh, he took some wicked shit, you know? He did, yeah, probably. [01:30:03] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:30:03] Speaker B: When you're eating. When you're eating that. That food that they eat at those camps, you're taking wicked shits. And also, like, bars. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. [01:30:14] Speaker A: Yeah, those. Those were a protein bar. I looked this up. Those were a protein bar back then, but it wasn't like protein bars. Now that was labeled as a protein bar. It was still a candy bar, but it just. It had nuts in it, so it was like, protein. [01:30:27] Speaker D: Protein. [01:30:28] Speaker B: Gotcha. [01:30:29] Speaker D: Yeah. Like 3 grams of protein. Yeah. [01:30:31] Speaker B: He's not that far off from, like, modern day protein bars, to be honest, Evan. [01:30:35] Speaker A: I mean, as far as, like. Yeah, it's still a fucking candy bar. But do we, do we, do we, like, what happened to Billy? Does Billy deserve to die while taking a shit from getting stung by the beautiful? [01:30:55] Speaker D: He's a pretty big fan. I mean, he's awful. Is he allergic? [01:31:00] Speaker C: I don't know. Well, the bees wearing into his flesh somehow. [01:31:06] Speaker D: I know, I was like, wow, that doesn't happen. [01:31:10] Speaker C: It looks really good. [01:31:12] Speaker D: Doesn't look real. It looks those good, but it doesn't look real. That's not. It looks like it happened like a week ago or two weeks ago or something, you know? [01:31:26] Speaker A: You guys bees, they're still a thing. [01:31:31] Speaker C: No, they're not that. They're not that aggressive. [01:31:34] Speaker A: Yeah. It's just. [01:31:36] Speaker C: Will be knowledge your ass. [01:31:38] Speaker A: I was gonna say, chris, did you. They'd be aggressive to Mickey as a. As a person who's recently purchased some bees and will be a beekeeper, how realistic did you find? [01:31:51] Speaker C: Not at all. I mean, bees are very gentle. Unless if you're like. Unless you like, fuck with their shit. Now, if you got the hive thrown into them, then. Yeah, like that. But. But they would more than likely be attacking whoever was carrying it, so. Angela carrying on a stick. They would go after her before. Way before they got to the outhouse. [01:32:09] Speaker D: Yeah. And if somebody does that, I'm gonna slouch down. I'm gonna crawl under. [01:32:15] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. Right. Or climb. [01:32:17] Speaker D: I'm gonna be muscular guy. I'm gonna know. I'm gonna get a. [01:32:21] Speaker A: But you're. [01:32:22] Speaker B: You're also. You're not considering how wicked the shit was. [01:32:25] Speaker A: That's true. [01:32:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:32:28] Speaker A: He's got below the line. [01:32:30] Speaker C: He's got like, shit in his ass. And he can't get on his, like, down to crime because too much shit in his ass is coming out. I got you. [01:32:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:32:40] Speaker D: Do you think that was his audition? That was his audition. [01:32:42] Speaker A: Oh, let's see them. [01:32:46] Speaker D: Like, I have had an audition where I had to pretend like I was on a toilet. Just. [01:32:49] Speaker A: But I've heard of this one. Yes. [01:32:51] Speaker C: Was it. Was it at least, like, a part? Medicine or something like that, or. [01:32:57] Speaker D: I got the part. No. [01:32:58] Speaker C: There you go. [01:32:58] Speaker D: Taking a pee. Just taking a pee. [01:33:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Molly got cast in a movie because she was the best at taking a pee. [01:33:05] Speaker D: That was the best. [01:33:07] Speaker A: The best. [01:33:08] Speaker B: The best. [01:33:11] Speaker A: Speaking. The best. You guys ever party? Our guys ever shower in groups? [01:33:18] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, all the time. Military, baby. [01:33:20] Speaker D: Apparently, she never showers with the girls. [01:33:25] Speaker C: Uh, no. I mean, I feel like. Like I'm, like, I don't need to do that, you know, like, I'll just go, like, especially, like, back in school, like, you know, I played, like, you know, basketball and football, and we had showers, but, like, no one used them. [01:33:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I had football players that use. [01:33:42] Speaker D: I know that. I know that. [01:33:44] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:33:45] Speaker D: Jackson has used the showers when they do football camp during high school, and they do the two a day. They're there all day. [01:33:54] Speaker A: I think you have to. By high school, it's, like, a mandatory thing if you're doing sports, to take a shower, at least. [01:34:00] Speaker D: It was a great. I have never showered in a group. [01:34:03] Speaker B: In the military. You. You shower as a group, as just a part of, like, that's life. I mean, I don't do it as much now. [01:34:12] Speaker A: That's what he says here. Whenever. [01:34:17] Speaker B: No, probably, like, within a year or so, I have had to take a shower with other men in the same shower. [01:34:24] Speaker C: I mean, there was only one stall, but it was a good time. [01:34:28] Speaker D: Yeah, it was just one. They all decided to just go at the same time. They're like, well, time. [01:34:34] Speaker B: It's great. It's about efficiency. It's like, if some. I will put the soap down my front, and then I'll soap your back with my front, and then you will then soap my back with your front. [01:34:46] Speaker D: I don't need this. [01:34:47] Speaker C: It's like. It's like a bobsled team, but a shower. [01:34:50] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah. [01:34:51] Speaker A: Where's John Candy? That's what I want to say. Happy anniversary, Molly. [01:34:57] Speaker D: Yeah, thanks. [01:34:59] Speaker A: Chris is like a big old Brillo pad. We just. Yeah, we just. [01:35:12] Speaker B: A big loofah. [01:35:13] Speaker D: Speaking of. [01:35:17] Speaker A: We do need to get to the ending, but I do want to. I do want to bring up Paul. [01:35:22] Speaker B: Of course. [01:35:23] Speaker D: Wait, which one's Paul? [01:35:25] Speaker A: Paul's the boy who likes Ricky's friend, who likes Angela. Sweet. Paul. Paul. I was like, where do I know this kid from? And it's not necessarily that I knew he's been in stuff, but he was friends with and looks a lot like Corey. Hank. [01:35:42] Speaker B: Yes. [01:35:43] Speaker A: I bet you they went out for a lot of the same parts. And he was actually haims funeral. [01:35:49] Speaker B: Wow. [01:35:50] Speaker C: Really? [01:35:50] Speaker A: I imagine that, like, maybe he worked as a stand in for Corey Haynes. They were friends. He, like, I think out of all the kid actors, he is the, the most, like, talented and professional out of the, out of the bunch. And it makes sense that he kind of, like, had a, had a career. [01:36:12] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:36:12] Speaker D: I thought Angela was great. [01:36:15] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, she's awesome. [01:36:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I like them all. I like them all. This brings up a subject that I wanted to touch on, and that's, so in this film, the, the filmmaker was very adamant about, like, you know, you go see these movies and you got like 20 somethings playing teenagers. Right. And he was like, I wanted to capture what it was like being a kid at camp. Right. And I think when you're, when you, when you decide to cast actual kids, you're writing a very fine line. Right. And what your subject matter is going to be and how you're going to execute that with kids. And if you're making, if you're intentionally making a slasher film, it's, you get into really uncomfortable territory. And I think that's where something like Friday the 13th, why they never use kids is because it's like, no, we want these people to die and they got to work long hours and we're going to see some nudity and it's like, all, okay, and it's all above board because everyone's of age and it can be difficult with, with kids unless, unless you're sudden to, the subject matter that you're talking about in the direction is spot on. Something like lost Boys or stand by me. You know what I mean? Like, you got to have solid stories and really good direction. And I know, Chris, you're not as big a fan as, of lost Boys as Mickey and I are, but it's just like, you know, it's, it's a, it's a fine line to walk. [01:37:54] Speaker C: Well, I mean, but like, I mean, I agree with, like, when you're saying, like, slashers and some of, like, the more adult content that, like, is a little weird for, like, you know, kids to be a part of it, but there's a lot of bad films with kids in it. You know what I mean? That like, like, you know, meatballs, even, like, the second, third one. All that type of stuff they've got. [01:38:14] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, ten year old first meatballs was pretty great. [01:38:17] Speaker D: Little. [01:38:18] Speaker A: Pretty crazy, but great. [01:38:20] Speaker C: It doesn't hold up as well. [01:38:26] Speaker B: Ladybugs, basically forever. Basically this story, but. But the comedy version of him. [01:38:34] Speaker C: I want to make a soccer comedy sleepaway camp. That's when you're. [01:38:38] Speaker A: When you're intentionally making, like, like, genre film, like horror, exploitation, something of that kind, to actually use real kids. I mean, that's a slippery slope you're on, you know, and, you know, the script is not solid. Right. [01:38:59] Speaker C: Horror scenes, though, with kids in it. [01:39:01] Speaker A: You see a lot of asses. [01:39:05] Speaker D: Angela. At the end. [01:39:08] Speaker A: Angela. [01:39:08] Speaker B: But that's a mask. That's a mask. [01:39:12] Speaker D: Is it? [01:39:13] Speaker B: It's. It's a mask. And it's. And it's a college boy. [01:39:16] Speaker A: That's. [01:39:17] Speaker B: It's a college age boy that needed the money. [01:39:20] Speaker A: No, I want to talk about that too. Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. Have you heard of Joe Bob's theory? [01:39:31] Speaker C: No, what's Joe Bob's theory? [01:39:32] Speaker A: So back in the day before HD, he thought that maybe he didn't believe that it was an actual penis. He thought it was a mangled, small penis, and that in the boat accident, something happened to Peter, and Peter's penis was made. That's why. And that's why this is. It doesn't. This isn't part of it. [01:39:57] Speaker D: No, no. It was a very upper level boat accident. [01:40:00] Speaker C: Yeah, that's an upper level boat. [01:40:06] Speaker D: No, below the necks. Okay. There was no penis mangling. [01:40:15] Speaker C: Have you guys ever driven a boat before? [01:40:18] Speaker A: Yeah, actually, sailboats and motorboats. [01:40:22] Speaker C: Yeah, like a motorboat. It's not hard. It's very easy. Yeah, it's very funny. [01:40:27] Speaker A: Just, like, obviously, stopping power. [01:40:30] Speaker D: Well, guys listen when you put girls behind the wheel, right? Yeah, that's the answer. [01:40:39] Speaker C: They can't be doctors, and they're not good drivers. [01:40:42] Speaker D: No way. She's a doctor now. [01:40:46] Speaker A: Why? Why, I ask you, why is Angela? [01:40:53] Speaker D: We don't know. Oh, yeah, yeah. Also, I can't actually. I kept saying that the whole time, too. I was like, but why? Why is somebody. Somebody. Why is somebody even killing all these people? Just because. [01:41:09] Speaker A: Why is it a horror movie? [01:41:11] Speaker B: Well, it could be one reason. I also think if you're giving. If you're trying to give motive to Angela, because. [01:41:16] Speaker D: Have you met Aunt Martha? [01:41:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:20] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, like, actually, if there's a lot of serial killer stories out there, like real life serial killer stuff that, like, a lot of it comes from, like, fucked up kind of sexual roles and gender roles when you're a kid, that then amounts to rage when they're into young adolescence. I mean, honestly, there is some, like. Yeah, that kind of shit does happen in the world. [01:41:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:41:46] Speaker D: Like, it could just be that Angela is just a serial killer and that. [01:41:52] Speaker A: Trauma being raised as a girl pushed her. [01:41:55] Speaker D: Yeah, well, I don't know. Does trauma push someone to be a serial killer, or are you just a serial killer nature? [01:42:03] Speaker A: I'm with you, Molly. I think that, like, you're born with something. People get molested and have terrible things happen to him and. And don't become bad people. [01:42:15] Speaker B: Right, right. [01:42:16] Speaker D: Trauma doesn't make you do bad things. [01:42:19] Speaker C: That's not how the world works, though. Everything's not a zero sum game. Like, one action equates to everything. 100% black and white. [01:42:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:26] Speaker A: No, yeah, absolutely. I know, but that, like. Like, you know, I think she's just pointing out the other point of view as opposed to what you were saying about, like, well, you know, some serial killers have this trauma, and then they become serial killers, and she's just. I think you're just pointing out, like. And something. [01:42:42] Speaker C: Molly, you were saying that. [01:42:45] Speaker D: Wait, what was I saying? [01:42:48] Speaker A: Molly, you weren't saying that. That trauma doesn't make you a serial killer. [01:42:54] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, I said that. [01:42:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. [01:43:01] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:43:01] Speaker B: And I'm saying that if we're saying that serial killers aren't made. Serial killers are triggered, possibly. Yeah. [01:43:11] Speaker C: So you're saying woke America is to blame for all the serial killers. [01:43:15] Speaker A: Yep. [01:43:16] Speaker B: Yep. Basically it. [01:43:19] Speaker A: Trying to stop the serial killers. [01:43:21] Speaker B: If we're gonna give motive to Angela, then. Then my. Then my small, like. Like, pea brain thesis is that she suffered trauma as a kid by losing her brother and her father or losing her sister and her father, then was forced to be a gender that maybe she doesn't feel is her gender. [01:43:47] Speaker C: Honestly. Probably should be they, too, because we don't actually know what gender. [01:43:51] Speaker D: Gender. [01:43:52] Speaker B: True. [01:43:52] Speaker C: What they want to be. [01:43:54] Speaker A: Right. [01:43:54] Speaker B: So, honestly. Yeah. [01:43:56] Speaker D: Accepting. We don't know of that or not. [01:43:58] Speaker B: But. [01:43:58] Speaker A: But being forced isn't a closeted trans person. Their person's been forced to live. [01:44:03] Speaker D: Angela. [01:44:04] Speaker B: Angela, right, exactly. [01:44:06] Speaker D: Is who she is, as far as she knows. Right. Because at a young age. [01:44:11] Speaker B: And I think that. That during her sexual awakening, she's also being extremely bullied, and she takes her vengeance out in a very aggressive way towards all these people. And it's one of those things. And this is why I do appreciate that. The end isn't about killing the bat. It doesn't finish with some patriarchal character or some matriarchal character coming in and taking out Angela. It just ends on Angela, you know, finishing her, you know, kill of that. Of that group, you know? So I think that there's something about that that makes this film more interesting to talk about, because there isn't, like, nobody. There's no hero that we're trying to. Ricky is kind of a hero, but I mean, like, you know, it's like, in most of these films, that person is then slain or fought at the end. [01:45:13] Speaker D: Yeah, no, it just ends. Yeah, yeah. [01:45:16] Speaker B: It just ends on her. [01:45:17] Speaker D: It just ends with our discovery of who we thought Angela was is not necessarily who Angela is. [01:45:24] Speaker B: I think it makes it more interesting. [01:45:25] Speaker C: It is, though, like, so twofold, like, things to that. [01:45:28] Speaker D: Right? [01:45:28] Speaker C: Like, one, like, though it's funny because it does end on like, she's a man. Like, almost like that's the justification or the reason for why this has happened. You know what I mean? Which is then, like, well, that's kind of. That's weird and. [01:45:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:45:43] Speaker D: Do you think that's why you think that's why they say that? [01:45:47] Speaker C: Well, that's just what Ronnie. That's the last line. [01:45:48] Speaker D: I know. [01:45:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:45:49] Speaker D: He says, oh, she's a man. Yeah, that's the, like. [01:45:52] Speaker C: So, I mean, that's the, like, as a. That's almost given as the justification there. [01:45:58] Speaker D: Yeah. I didn't think about it. [01:45:59] Speaker A: Very xenophobic. [01:46:00] Speaker C: Yeah. If that's the intention, it could just be clumsiness. I'm not trying to make any sort of claim there. [01:46:06] Speaker D: I didn't know. I just didn't think about it that way. I was just like, actually, you know what? I didn't think real deep about any of it, which you probably shouldn't. [01:46:17] Speaker C: Start. [01:46:18] Speaker D: Talking to me about it afterwards. And I was like, listen, I'm not getting real deep about this film. Okay. [01:46:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:46:23] Speaker C: I think that's something that I was kind of wondering what your guys thoughts were. Was. Do you think Ricky knows? [01:46:29] Speaker D: Like, about Angela? [01:46:31] Speaker C: About Angela. Do you think he's knowledgeable or. [01:46:34] Speaker D: Ricky would have to know what he. Maybe that's why. You know what? Maybe that's why Ricky is more protective. Because I think it's. [01:46:41] Speaker B: Why. Short. Yeah. Why he. Wait, physically short. No, why he jumps so quickly to being that. That violently, like, protective time. [01:46:52] Speaker D: We think that he's protecting his female cousin. Cousin. When in reality, he still is protecting his perhaps female cousin, but in a different way than we all thought it. [01:47:04] Speaker A: Would make sense that he would know. [01:47:06] Speaker D: He would know. I think Ricky knows. [01:47:09] Speaker C: I don't think he does. [01:47:11] Speaker A: And I think the writings there, you. [01:47:14] Speaker C: Know, I mean, I don't think even, like, the first scene doesn't even set that up, because. [01:47:18] Speaker A: Right. [01:47:19] Speaker C: If he would be really protective of any teenager that would be slightly even mean to Angela, then why would he be so, like, kind of like, mom's at it again with her, with Angela towards mom. [01:47:30] Speaker A: Why would he. [01:47:30] Speaker C: Leopard. [01:47:32] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. But. [01:47:36] Speaker D: Because why would he keep Paul from. But also, though, either, because maybe that's just because even if Ricky does know, why would he. Any sort of human connection between. [01:47:46] Speaker B: Ricky's okay with her being on a spectrum, and if she wants or he wants or you're given this way too much. But Ricky. No, no, no. Not on a spectrum. Mentally. On spectrum of her sexuality. Sexuality. Okay. [01:48:02] Speaker D: Okay. [01:48:02] Speaker B: But. But I will say that Ricky has to know. [01:48:04] Speaker D: They very. [01:48:05] Speaker B: He's very clear to his mom when she goes, don't let people know that how you got the, you know, the. Ricky's. Ricky's statement is like, okay, well, I definitely won't tell. He makes it very pointed. [01:48:20] Speaker A: That's not proof one way or the other. [01:48:22] Speaker D: But also, it's not Ricky's business to tell Paul. Hey, I know that you think you like a girl, but guess what? [01:48:29] Speaker B: I think Ricky's just really woke. [01:48:31] Speaker D: I think Ricky's like, whatever. Paul and Angela like, like each other. So what? Who cares? And Paul's nice to Angela, and Angela likes Paul, and, like, cool, because Angela doesn't really have any friends, and she likes Paul. [01:48:45] Speaker A: That's nice. I think what you're saying makes sense in the context of now with everything we know. But Ricky back then, if he knew. I don't know. I do. I think. [01:48:57] Speaker D: I don't think you live in a house with somebody and then. And don't know. [01:49:00] Speaker A: You're. You're right. What I'm saying is it's incompetence in writing. What you're saying is logical and makes sense for this movie. Nothing. [01:49:09] Speaker D: What if they share a bedroom? But a doctor. So probably different bedrooms, but still, you'd. [01:49:14] Speaker A: Like, like, I grew up with the sister. Yeah. [01:49:17] Speaker B: No, you know. [01:49:19] Speaker D: Yeah. You would know. Know. Yeah. Ricky knows. But also, Ricky doesn't. And Ricky doesn't care. Ricky's just like this. My cousin. [01:49:27] Speaker C: I think that one thing that, like, I've been kind of thinking a little bit about this film coming up into this conversation is that, like, it's important to, like, divorce having any sort of. That this film has any say or stance on gender. Gender politics and sexuality. You know what I mean? Like, I think that this. [01:49:54] Speaker D: Can we say it's like 1983, right? It's, like, very forward. [01:49:59] Speaker B: But I understand. I understand what you're saying, chris, and I agree with it. But I also think that, and I've always. I've always said this about all the films we watch, and I'll always say this. There is the writer, there's the director, and then there is the viewer. And those three people are allowed to. To create and interpret and. And sure. Things that they see. I think that there are a lot of films, and we'll say a nightmare on Elm street, part two is like that where. Yeah. Was the writing, like, very dense and not very. I mean, were they not really like. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of thought put into it. Was the director trying to say something? [01:50:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:50:42] Speaker B: Angela. Yes, but Ricky. No, I don't think that Ricky is intentionally, like, I didn't take from it, that he didn't know. I actually walked away from the film thinking I didn't know. [01:50:51] Speaker C: I don't. [01:50:51] Speaker D: I didn't even think about it, because when it was over, I said, that's it. And then I went to bed. [01:50:58] Speaker A: I will say, Chris, to sort of comment on what you just said about, like, that not being intentional or just piggybacking off of what you said that I was in doing my research for this. The director, he could be a very fantastic person. But the way I felt after learning about them is they're very mysterious. They don't talk for years, didn't talk about the film, won't explain things. And there are words that get thrown around, like, you know, genius, amazing, ahead of its time, progressive, pushing the envelope. Yeah. And. And the director also has said that Academy Award winning and BAFTA winning director, writer Neil Patrick Jordan ripped off this ending for 1990. Two's crying game. [01:52:11] Speaker C: Crying game. [01:52:12] Speaker D: And I haven't seen it. [01:52:15] Speaker A: Yeah, he cut off very, very pretentious. And I think he got lucky. And I think he made a film that is enjoyable to watch because it is bad, is not like there are things that are good about it, but it's no fucking sense. And to try to make sense of it is a fool's errand. And that's what I've been doing during our conversation is, how do we make sense of this? And in the answer is, you can't. [01:52:43] Speaker D: You don't really. [01:52:44] Speaker A: It really dislike it that he tries to pull off this sort of, like, this guy ripped me off. I'm not saying it's the heat. The guy. This guy is not David lynch. He didn't have some sort of. [01:52:55] Speaker D: Wait, is the director. The director, the writer? [01:52:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:52:59] Speaker A: Yes, he wrote it. Is this the only thing other than I think he was involved in the 2000. Yeah. [01:53:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Sleepaway camp. Five? [01:53:06] Speaker A: Yeah. What? [01:53:08] Speaker D: Wait, there's five? [01:53:10] Speaker B: Yeah, there's. [01:53:11] Speaker A: Well, there. There. He sold the rights off, and they made some sequels that are intentionally campy, and then they made, like, a direct sequel to this. I don't think he's some sort of, like, genius, man. You know what I mean? This. This goes in the annals of, like, the room and Miami connection, and it's just a happy accident that it is so entertaining as it is, but do not get your, like. And, hey, if. If don't get your panty or the LGBTQ community wants to take positive things out of this and own it and let that be their thing, that's totally cool. But do not think for 1 second that this guy intentionally wrote anything progressive when it comes to sexual identity or where you fall on the screen. [01:54:02] Speaker D: So we think that he was just like, oh, at the end, let's just make Angela a dude. It was more like that. It was less like a complicated story, and it was. It was less like an identity story and more of just like a. Oh, I know. Let's, like, twist it. Make her a dude. [01:54:24] Speaker A: It's a Friday the 13th ripple. You know what I mean? With some. With some good things going on. And by the way, Friday the 13th, as we've discussed, a bunch, is a ripoff. [01:54:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Of Halloween. Yes. [01:54:36] Speaker A: It's just like, that doesn't mean you can't have interesting things within the film. Right. But, like, I just. I love that it's. It's. It's celebrated and enjoyed by people to this day, but just don't. Don't make it something that it's not. It's not some sort of the progressive story about sexual identity, you know? You know, I'm not saying. You guys are saying that this is. This is just from the research. [01:55:06] Speaker D: The whole time, I was like, what? Why? What is happening? Why are they doing this? Oh, my God. That's it. Like, that was my whole experience, and. [01:55:15] Speaker A: That'S the experience you should be having. [01:55:18] Speaker C: I guess. That's one thing. Real quick, have you any. You guys watched any of the sequels or anything? Doesn't anus liquid? Yeah. [01:55:25] Speaker D: No. I was shocked to know that there were five. [01:55:28] Speaker C: The one thing I know. Well, actually, two things, I guess of course, the. The lead, I guess, I don't know if it's supposed to be Angela or someone else in the second. Third one is Bruce Springsteen's sister. [01:55:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. She plays Angela part. [01:55:41] Speaker C: Uh huh. [01:55:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:55:42] Speaker C: And then the COVID of the. I think it's the third one. It's Angela with, like, a backpack in the Freddy Krueger hand. [01:55:48] Speaker B: Yep. [01:55:48] Speaker C: He's in the back. Yeah. [01:55:50] Speaker A: Iconic image. Yeah. [01:55:51] Speaker C: Very. [01:55:52] Speaker A: For sure. But I imagine, like, I haven't watched them because it's like they made one to samurai comp. They made a sequel to samurai cop. But, like, you know what I mean? Like, that's not gonna be good. Right? [01:56:05] Speaker C: Samurai cop wasn't good. [01:56:07] Speaker A: Samurai cop is a masterpiece ahead of its time. Progressive. Really pushed the envelope. [01:56:12] Speaker B: Very progressive. [01:56:14] Speaker D: I've never, I had never heard of the first sleep away, let alone the four to follow, so. [01:56:20] Speaker A: Well, we have a. We have a sleepover. Maybe we can. [01:56:23] Speaker B: Yeah, there we go. [01:56:25] Speaker D: It's a good sleepover. [01:56:26] Speaker C: I will say hours of sleep wake. [01:56:27] Speaker B: Camp slumber party massacre two was. It was a big hit for me. I love the sequel. I loved it. So I'll try it. [01:56:36] Speaker A: Molly, who coming into the store, would you recommend sleepaway camp to? [01:56:43] Speaker D: I said this before in a previous, and I don't remember which film it was, but I think it's best watched with a group of friends to laugh with and to talk with and have some drinks with. [01:56:58] Speaker A: Perfect. Chris, movie night. [01:57:01] Speaker C: Are you a young woman thinking about going to medical school? Well, you should probably think twice and see the terrible story of outcome. [01:57:12] Speaker B: The terrible outcome. [01:57:22] Speaker C: This is a cautionary tale. Yes. Yes. [01:57:24] Speaker A: For women seeking employment. [01:57:26] Speaker C: I think, honestly, I think anyone who can enjoy a horror film that is, you know, we've spoken to it. It's not exactly. It doesn't really make sense. [01:57:41] Speaker D: Not great. Not great. [01:57:43] Speaker C: It's. But enjoy for what it is. Laugh at it. You know, it's got good kills. It's got a lot of positives to it. [01:57:50] Speaker A: You want. [01:57:51] Speaker C: I mean, it's got great summer vibes to it. The summer camp is awesome. Like, you know, like, it feels. It feels like a unique experience. More so even than, like, you know, last week watching the burning, I think it's even. It's definitely a step up from that. [01:58:09] Speaker A: I was thinking that this is. This camp is a step up from the burning up. [01:58:14] Speaker D: Yeah, I did hear some of the burning, and I think just from that I have to agree. Yeah. [01:58:21] Speaker C: So, I mean, I'd recommend. I think, you know, you're open minded slasher wanting a summer vibe. Mickey. Michelangelo. [01:58:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I'll go. Are you a fan of James Earl Jones? [01:58:34] Speaker C: Hell, yeah. [01:58:36] Speaker B: Then you got to see his dad. No. [01:58:43] Speaker D: For 90 seconds. [01:58:46] Speaker B: In the standout role. No. I am going to say if you come into the store and you are like, mister f 13, mister. I love a good slasher. I know so much about it. And you have not seen sleepway camp. It has to be in your, it has to be in your lexicon. It has to be something that you can say you've seen. I don't, I think it's one of those quintessential films. If you're a fan of that subgenre of horror. Right. It's like big fan of slashers. You know? I mean, this is my recommendation, but yeah, it's. And I said, you're also not a big slasher fan. [01:59:27] Speaker D: Also not my turn. It's also not my turn. [01:59:29] Speaker B: But, but if you're a fan of slasher, I think this is one that you have to watch. I think it ranks up in some of the tops of slasher films. So, you know, am I saying it's, it's as good as a Halloween or an f 13? The original f 13? No. But it's definitely something you should watch. So there you go, slasher fans. Put it in there. If you haven't watched it yet, Michelangelo, I'm sure you have something to say. [01:59:54] Speaker D: He probably got something to say about it. Everybody grab a drink. Grab a drink. Use the bag. Bathroom, and then come back and listen to what Michelangelo has to say. So many papers. He has so many papers. [02:00:08] Speaker A: So many. And more over here. And I got some. [02:00:10] Speaker D: Oh, my God. [02:00:11] Speaker A: Okay. I think, um, this is, this is just my opinion. Uh uh. Despite being a misguided, insensitive, misinformed, ignorant, xenophobic, tackless story, it is very, very creepy and it's very, very compelling and entertaining. And to this day, the ending still gives me goosebumps every time I see it. It literally sincerely scares the shit out of me. The images in the last part of this film, I think it, unfortunately for me, it's a movie you laugh at and not with, which is typically something I don't necessarily enjoy. I prefer to celebrate. But if you haven't seen it, it's, it's just, if you haven't seen this, you have to see it. It's like the room. It's like Miami connection. It's like the last samurai, samurai cop. It's something you have to see. And if you are going to see it, you must be seen with friends. This is a movie that should be bringing people together to laugh and have a good time and have a couple of drinks. It shouldn't be taken too seriously, despite which is what hours, which I've done. That's what I've done tonight, is I've taken it too seriously because I'm a fucking psycho. But yeah, I think it's required viewing your fans for sure, but not necessarily my personal cup of tea. [02:01:42] Speaker D: I see. I think I said the same thing you did, just much shorter and less eloquent. Yeah, yeah. [02:01:49] Speaker C: I'm gonna deter from you guys. See it alone. See it with. [02:01:53] Speaker D: No, no, shut up, somebody. Mute. Mute. [02:01:57] Speaker C: You're on mute. [02:01:58] Speaker D: You're on mute. [02:02:00] Speaker B: Wow, Molly got in here quick. She's like already beating up on Chris, man. This is. [02:02:06] Speaker A: We should stop.