The Burning (1981)

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome, listener, to the return slot of. [00:00:08] Speaker B: Horror. [00:00:14] Speaker A: A podcast recorded by myself, Michelangelo, and Mickey in the basement of our video store. After hours, when the doors are locked, the vhs are rewound, and the moon is gone, glowing pale blue on a brisk and breezy night, we like to hang out in the basement, light a campfire scented candle, crack open a drink, and discuss our beloved genre, horror. Every episode, we invite you to join us for a frosty libation as we discuss a film selected from one of our painstakingly curated subsections of the video store. Mickey, do you care to elaborate on this for you might not know what we mean. [00:00:51] Speaker B: Back in the day, before there was streaming and even before Blockbuster, there were these independent video stores. And to appease the appetite of movie nerds like myself from Michelangelo, they would fill their shelves with anything they could get their hands on, especially those good video nasties. Now, these mom and pop shops were responsible for taking the horror genre from limited matinees and limited drive ins and late night theaters to every rural town and suburb in America. But what really made these video stores special were the people working in the store, curating personalized sections based on their interests and the interests of their patrons. Recommendations based on conversations, not on algorithms. So here at the return slide. Yeah, boo on algorithms. So here at the return slot, we keep that spirit alive and strong. So we hope you enjoy perusing our sections and joining in our conversations. [00:01:45] Speaker A: And now I'm gonna warn the listener, this is a hangout drink and talk about horror movies, podcasts. [00:01:50] Speaker B: So this. [00:01:50] Speaker A: Yes, this podcast is just as much about us as it is about the movies we talk about. [00:01:56] Speaker B: Cheers now. [00:01:57] Speaker A: Cheers to you. Cheers, Mickey, to you, the bantamweight jerk off champion of the return slot of horror. Now, on top of our normal guest that we usually have on the podcast, I do have a surprise guest, Mickey. I'm gonna. It's okay to come. Come on down to the basement. [00:02:21] Speaker B: There you go. Okay. [00:02:23] Speaker A: This is. Don't be alarmed by his appearance. Sure, but this is cropsy, right? [00:02:34] Speaker C: Thank you for having me on the show for a long time. [00:02:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:42] Speaker C: And it's a real privilege to be here. [00:02:45] Speaker A: That's. Thank you. Thank you so much for last minute. [00:02:49] Speaker B: Just swing it in. [00:02:52] Speaker A: Swinging in. Put down. [00:02:54] Speaker B: Put down the blowtorch, sir. Put down the blowtorch. [00:02:57] Speaker C: It comes with me. I mean, look at this face. I can't be caught off guard again. You know what I'm saying? [00:03:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm glad that Mick put away the gas tanks we normally keep down here to clean the floors. After our spilling beer and nasty face. [00:03:10] Speaker A: Jars of farts that we keep, those. Those are flammable now easily go up. Why, why, uh, did you feel compelled to come on this particular episode of the podcast, cropsy? [00:03:24] Speaker C: Well, like I said, I've been a big fan for a long time. I listen to you two guys and I say, those. Those guys are just like me. You know, like, I can tell. [00:03:34] Speaker B: Oh boy, that's problematic. [00:03:42] Speaker C: I'm on and I get my face out there, you know, if it doesn't scare too many. [00:03:48] Speaker B: Sure. [00:03:48] Speaker A: Now I think you're abusing the yes and rule improv right now and forcing us into agreeing to something that maybe we don't want to agree to. Cropsy, have you been like. I don't. I don't understand. Like, okay, so you. You feel like you know us because you've been listening to the podcast so much? [00:04:08] Speaker C: Yeah, well, yeah, I'm a big fan and I, you know, I'm always like the Eminem guys. Michelangelo and Mickey, you know, those guys get me. And when I heard that you guys were going to be doing my picture. [00:04:23] Speaker A: My antihero story, your rocky? Is that how you're rocky? [00:04:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:33] Speaker A: The teenage kids are Apollo and you're rocky. [00:04:37] Speaker C: I said, I gotta get out there and I gotta talk to these guys. Cause that's the problem that's happening. [00:04:42] Speaker D: These. [00:04:42] Speaker C: Now I'm not putting my face out there. Haha. And really meeting the kids. [00:04:52] Speaker B: I don't know that you should be around too many more kids. [00:04:54] Speaker C: I'm a hero. I need to get out there and I gotta tell the kids my story and how they can grow up and they can get revenge on who is wrong. [00:05:05] Speaker A: Right, right. Heroes do get revenge. I mean, yeah, if you look at all the stories, I mean, that's what it's all like. Something bad happens to Superman, he gets revenge. [00:05:14] Speaker C: Exactly. I'm just like Superman. [00:05:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Yes. [00:05:19] Speaker C: You're very much like a California racing superman. [00:05:24] Speaker A: You're racist. [00:05:25] Speaker B: No. California race. [00:05:31] Speaker C: I did not murder that black orderly. [00:05:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I touched his arm, but I. [00:05:38] Speaker C: Did not stab him. I did not murder him because he didn't wrong me. He's a good guy. [00:05:43] Speaker A: He cut well. I don't know, he kind of seems like a dick. I think we'll get to that later. But he was kind of. [00:05:47] Speaker B: He was a little bit of picking on. [00:05:52] Speaker C: Your battles. Guys, let me tell you. Let me tell you some lessons. You gotta pick your battles. [00:05:57] Speaker A: And I. What was. Know what your. Your process was for picking your battles before the accident? Yeah. Like what I didn't I've. Jamie. Jamie said you beat him up. [00:06:14] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:06:15] Speaker C: You're gonna trust that guy? [00:06:18] Speaker A: I mean, he. He is a sweet kid with. With eyeglasses. He seems vulnerable. He seems honest. He seems like he's easy to talk into things. [00:06:36] Speaker B: You need to calm down over there. [00:06:40] Speaker A: You thought there was nothing wrong with that sentence. [00:06:43] Speaker C: Well, I mean, I. I'm kind of a hero again, I think. Like, I even was leading the me too movement before it was even a thing, when you think about it. I mean, I was taking out guys that were trying to be perverts, really creepy guys, and, I mean, I was bringing them justice. I'm kind of a hero again. [00:07:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:02] Speaker C: See, you guys get it. I knew you two would understand me. [00:07:08] Speaker A: Okay. I kind of feel like you're gonna end up as a. Like, where do you live? That's. I'm worried about, like, what's going on behind the shop with the dumpsters. Like, that's where I imagine originally ran into you. Is that your camp out? Are you. [00:07:30] Speaker C: I'm in the woods behind the store. Admittedly, sometimes there's rats back there, and I do get my hands on. I mean, I get a hungry guy. I work my appetite. I'm everywhere with my shears. You know what I'm saying? [00:07:42] Speaker B: That doesn't bother us. That's actually, we. We appreciate the help. [00:07:46] Speaker D: Yeah, you're welcome. [00:07:47] Speaker C: I don't bill you for that either, and I could. [00:07:50] Speaker B: He's. He's our rat killer. [00:07:52] Speaker A: How much would you charge? [00:07:54] Speaker C: Oh, I don't know. [00:07:56] Speaker B: Oh. [00:07:58] Speaker C: $10,000. [00:08:00] Speaker A: That seems fair, I think. Oh, I don't do the finances around here. The person finances is no longer with us. [00:08:11] Speaker B: Yeah, it's true. I have a question for you, cropsy. What. What kind of baseball. What kind of baseball caps do you recommend? Guys buy that want to cover up their face. It appears that your baseball caps can completely cover your face. I was wondering about that. [00:08:25] Speaker C: You guys remember about, like, ten years ago when Pharrell was wearing that big, oversized cowboy hat? [00:08:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:31] Speaker C: He makes baseball hats, too. That's where he got his started. [00:08:34] Speaker B: Oversized. That makes sense. [00:08:36] Speaker C: He's great. [00:08:36] Speaker B: That makes sense. [00:08:37] Speaker A: Okay, Gary. [00:08:38] Speaker C: Okay, Gary the hat maker. [00:08:40] Speaker D: We're good friends. [00:08:43] Speaker A: That's. That's amazing. You know, I gotta thank you, cropsy, for stopping by and, I guess, continuing to take care of any pest rodents in the shop. [00:08:56] Speaker B: I would recommend, as you go back upstairs, please put on that hat just in case we have any customers in the shop. Yeah, yeah, no problem. [00:09:03] Speaker C: I get it. I get it. [00:09:05] Speaker A: Well, we wouldn't have any customers right now because it's closed. [00:09:08] Speaker C: Like an elephant man mask thing situation going on. I wear that before I, you know, I can lure people into the woods. It's okay. No worries. No worries. [00:09:17] Speaker A: And. [00:09:17] Speaker C: But thanks for having me. You guys are true fans. I'm always telling, uh, my dear friends, uh, you know, that you gotta check out the return slide of horror. These guys get it. [00:09:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:31] Speaker A: Thank you so much. Appreciate it. And please feel free to peruse the sections on your way out. And I don't know if you have a setup in the woods, but we can maybe hook you up with the VCR and some vhs's if you need. And we get you going, we get you watching death. [00:09:48] Speaker C: See sweethearts. You guys cover sweethearts? [00:09:51] Speaker B: Yeah. If you need anything beyond the western doors, I'll let Nicholas handle that. [00:09:56] Speaker A: What movie might you recommend to crop c as something maybe a little more progressive to get to. Like, get him to change a point of view on something. And maybe to get him to think that maybe we're not quite who he thinks we are. [00:10:14] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [00:10:15] Speaker C: I think you guys are telling me to watch this film called I spit on your grave. I think you guys said that one also has some great points to it. [00:10:23] Speaker B: I think that was. [00:10:25] Speaker A: I don't think that was Chris. Yeah, I don't think I. Oh, that was him. That was Chris. Yeah. [00:10:31] Speaker B: That movie might be a little Chris. [00:10:34] Speaker A: That he's also a big fan of. Um, uh, bruiser. He had some wild things to say about the cleaning lady. Interesting. [00:10:43] Speaker C: Yeah, sounds like a great guy. [00:10:47] Speaker B: His favorite movie is. His favorite movie is a classic. We always talk about it. It's, uh, we. Birth of a nation. He's a big birth of a nation sport. [00:10:57] Speaker C: Oh, man, that's up. That guy got problems. [00:11:01] Speaker B: Thank you. Crops, I think even crops. He understands folks. [00:11:04] Speaker A: Okay, so I think maybe this is cropsy. Uh, we'll see you later. Um, great. [00:11:10] Speaker D: I'll come by often, please. [00:11:14] Speaker A: Crops. You go. A little creepy. That was a little creepy. Cropsy. [00:11:18] Speaker C: Oh. [00:11:20] Speaker B: Go check out gingersnaps. [00:11:23] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [00:11:24] Speaker A: Snaps is a perfect, perfect. Which, you know, you could also check it out on YouTube. I don't know if you have a laptop, but you'll be able to check that out on YouTube. Uh, we'll have a special episode, uh, brought to you by Red Tower. Uh, um, uh, on YouTube with some amazing work from, uh, negative kitty. [00:11:44] Speaker B: Yep. Is that right? Yes, yes. It's negative kitty. Red territory. We're going to be. We're going to have some episodes on YouTube. Cropsy, please check out the film, then check out the episode on YouTube. Uh, brought to you by Red Tower. You're going to really enjoy, I think, our conversation about ginger snaps. We get Molly on there, so that'd be a fun little time. [00:12:00] Speaker A: I think you'll enjoy her perspective, I'm sure. Maybe you're not used to hearing a female. [00:12:07] Speaker B: The voice? Yeah, a woman's voice. [00:12:10] Speaker C: I mean, does she scream in terror often? [00:12:13] Speaker A: No, no, she's screaming usually, like, laughter and intelligent ways of saying things which I couldn't come up with an intelligent way of saying that. Of expressing myself. Yeah, but cropsy, thank you so much. If you wouldn't mind, could you let Chris down or release him or whatever it is you got going on with Chris up there? [00:12:39] Speaker C: That sounds good. I'll see you guys later. [00:12:41] Speaker B: All right. Thank you for coming down. Thank you. [00:12:44] Speaker C: Bye bye bye. [00:12:46] Speaker A: Okay, take your take. [00:12:51] Speaker B: I don't like this. This is. [00:12:54] Speaker A: We're not consenting to this. Oh, gosh. Okay, thank you. Bye, cropsy. [00:12:59] Speaker C: Bye. [00:13:00] Speaker B: Yes. Take your flamethrower with me, please. [00:13:03] Speaker A: Oh, God. I think. Well, he should have left it here. Then we would have. We would know where it was at. [00:13:08] Speaker B: I don't want to have anything to do with that. You see what happens when you mix fire control. [00:13:12] Speaker A: The flamethrower, I don't trust. [00:13:14] Speaker B: I don't trust your fart, and I don't trust any of that stuff going on. It's not a place for something that. That fragile of combustion. Combustion. [00:13:26] Speaker A: Okay, well, okay, here we go. Okay, our actual guest this evening. Um, uh, Chris, it's great to have you on the podcast. [00:13:36] Speaker D: Uh, did you guys have fucking dark man down here? This guy on the skid stairs. Fucking crazy, man. [00:13:45] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. That's cropsy. He's. [00:13:47] Speaker B: He's. [00:13:49] Speaker A: Yeah, from the film. But it sounded like his. Whatever happened in his life lined up with the film that we'll be talking about tonight. There's a lot of similarities. [00:13:59] Speaker D: Well, shit, I wish I was here. I would ask him so many questions. [00:14:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that we in the special episode on Patreon, once we get that set up, Chris, you can interview cropsy. [00:14:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:12] Speaker D: Oh, that sounds fun. I would agree. [00:14:15] Speaker A: Now, Chris, it's lovely to have you on the podcast this evening before we get to the film that we're going to be talking about this evening. Um, what are we. What are we having to drink this evening? Uh, Mickey, what do you. What do you got there? It's. You have a very fancy glass. I don't know. [00:14:33] Speaker B: Have a nice glass of rose. [00:14:38] Speaker A: All day rose. You know, the weather. [00:14:41] Speaker B: It's getting warmer, it's getting warmer. [00:14:43] Speaker A: You gotta go, right? [00:14:46] Speaker B: You know, this movie really brought out the rose in me. Um, interesting. Yeah. So I got a nice. [00:14:52] Speaker A: I don't think either of us french rose goes along with this movie. [00:14:58] Speaker B: Yeah. A villa. A villa divine rose. [00:15:03] Speaker A: It's. [00:15:03] Speaker B: It's like, not on the sweet side. It's more on the dry side. It's very delicious. [00:15:07] Speaker A: A lot of people call Buffalo, New York, the rose. The France of New York. [00:15:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:17] Speaker A: Um, they're known as the fine for fine delicacies, like buffalo wings. [00:15:21] Speaker B: Wings, yeah. [00:15:22] Speaker A: Yeah. So, um, moving on. Chris, uh, did you prepare a special summer spooky cocktail? [00:15:29] Speaker D: I did. I did. I, um. I'm going to call this healthy sexual relationships with a charred up face. [00:15:37] Speaker B: Yeah, it looks good. [00:15:45] Speaker D: It is 2oz of a very peaty scotch. You want something? [00:15:50] Speaker B: Kind of, yes. [00:15:52] Speaker D: An ounce of aperol, two drops of bolivar bitters, which is a very, like, botanical, like floral bitters, a quarter ounce of cherry juice, and of course, a flamed up orange peel, because you got to get the little flame going for the burger. Am I right? Am I right? [00:16:08] Speaker B: I like it. Yeah. [00:16:12] Speaker D: Michelangelo, what are you drinking? [00:16:14] Speaker A: Oh, thank you for asking. That's so nice. I am in honor of fish Dave, Woodstock, mostly. Those three guys. Those three guys are great. In honor of them, start listing them. [00:16:34] Speaker D: Like they're, like in your company from Vietnam. [00:16:41] Speaker A: Was my Vietnam guy. No, I apologize. This is insensitive. I am having Canada dry with. This is a touch of whiskey. [00:16:57] Speaker D: Is there a tie in there or something? I'm not getting here. [00:17:00] Speaker A: Well, in the cabin in Woodstock, fish Allen Glazer, in their cabin, there's a scene where they're, like, hanging out, playing cards and looking at porn mags, and there's soda cans, and there's a. There's a Canada dry. Like a. Like a old 1980s Canada dry. Okay, that's. That's. That's my tie in. Obviously, everyone knew that. I can't catch it. The dear listener was like, what are these idiots? Why. Why don't they know? [00:17:35] Speaker C: They didn't know that. [00:17:36] Speaker D: Me. [00:17:37] Speaker B: Chris, you sound oddly, like, cropsy just then. [00:17:41] Speaker A: I was pretty good impersonation, especially. You just met him, I guess. But he does listen to the podcast a lot. Yeah, with you. So if he's listening to the podcast, that you would know exactly what he sounds like, right? [00:17:55] Speaker D: Yeah, the law of attraction. [00:17:58] Speaker A: I think it works backwards and forwards. So, speaking of backwards and forwards, tonight's film, you know, it's getting warm outside and, you know, I, it's just the perfect time of year to watch something camp related. So this week we find ourselves in the camp not of Voorhees section. Now, the camp not of Voorhees section, what might that be? I mean, Chris, when you walked into the video store for the first time and you saw camp not of Voorhees, what? Like, did you know exactly what it was that you were getting into? [00:18:37] Speaker D: Yeah, I, you know, I think that actually, you asked me and I had this ready to go because of the fact that, like, you know, there is a wealth of summer slashers that are definitely influenced by Friday the 13th but are not involving our guy, Jason Voorhees. And I think this is a prime example of some really quality films that are out there. [00:19:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And to be, to be fair, right. This film doesn't, isn't really inspired by. No, no, we'll get in. We'll get into that. Right. This is. [00:19:16] Speaker D: Right. [00:19:17] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll get to that. And, listener, if you're not white, please let us know. If camp not of Voorhees is offensive in any way, we can easily change it to something else. But chime in on that. The last thing we want to do is to offend any of our first nation listeners or anyone who might be offended by a take on what I thought was a camp name. You know what I mean? [00:19:52] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I think it's the time period as well. Like all those camps had, you know, taken the names of, you know, a. [00:20:00] Speaker A: Lot of things in America. Like Chicago is a first nation where? [00:20:03] Speaker B: Arkansas. [00:20:05] Speaker A: Yeah. So Milwaukee, but, you know, pre Milwaukee. So we're, we're in the camp not of Voorhees section of the video store. And what happens when a New York urban legend makes its transformation from oral storytelling to the big screen via a convicted sex offender scumbag, his brother, a BAFTA nominated documentarian and a special effects legend in the making. You have Miramax's first production, 1981 summer camp slasher the burning. [00:20:50] Speaker B: Now I'm burning, I'm burning I'm burning for you. [00:20:57] Speaker D: That song was written about this film. [00:20:59] Speaker B: I know. I didn't realize it until watching the film. [00:21:02] Speaker D: Very wild. [00:21:05] Speaker A: Now, the burning, since we are a physical media podcast, was first released on dvd in North America and September 11, 2007. And then, of course, there is the shout Factory release from 2013 and 2023. And a lot of my notes and research comes from some of the documentaries found on that dvd. Blood and Fire memories with Tom Savini. Slash and cut, which was an interview with our clueless director, Jack a. Shoulder. We did night, remember nightmare on Elm street two? Yeah, he directed that, edited this film. Early. [00:21:59] Speaker D: Film clueless for a half second was really. [00:22:02] Speaker A: No, no referencing his complete clueless, any homosexual. So check out our episode on Nightmare on Elm street to Freddy's Revenge. Crop C speaks summer camp nightmares. And of course, if you are interested in purchasing this from Shout Factory, we're not sponsored by them, but I love their company. They are sold out of the limited edition posters that came with them. But I would love to be sponsored by shot factory. We have a lot, a lot of the stuff we cover. You'll find special editions like transfers like from the original masters and negatives on Blu ray, dvd, all that jazz. Anyways, Chris, the burning. I said can out of Voorhees and you were like, boom, the burning. So why the burning and what's your history and relationship with the film, please? [00:23:09] Speaker D: First saw this back whenever I was a teenager. I was not familiar with it. And a buddy of mine at the time was like, oh, there's this film that's got Tom Savini doing the special effects and George Costanza's in it. And I said, shit, yeah, it's great. And so watched it and was a fan. You know, I've kind of talked about in the past, but like that summer slasher, the Friday the 13th, it kind of works for me and it kind of doesn't. A lot of the films, I feel like are just a little too draggy. The pacing's a little off. Yeah. For me, this one, this one kind of like two thirds of it works for me. I'd say a third is a bit that kind of like, oh, just a little, just too slow. You know what I mean? Like there's a bit of a. There's about 20 minutes, a half hour in here in which it's a little. Little laggy. But, but, you know, was a fan of it and I've seen it a couple times since then. It's been a handful of years, though, since I've seen it. Definitely on a rewatch. I think also to your point, you know, uh, seeing it for the first time since, uh. Oh, uh, old, uh, rapey mcProducer. What the hell's his name? [00:24:27] Speaker B: Harvey Weinstein. [00:24:29] Speaker D: Harvey Weinstein. Kind of puts a bit of a new spin on it, you know what I mean? [00:24:34] Speaker B: It's also male characters. [00:24:36] Speaker A: They're point. The points of view of those male characters are like, written by a fucking, like, rapist. [00:24:44] Speaker B: And. And this was. If the. This is what I've read. This was probably the first time on set that he, you know, actually tried to molest, I guess, is the word. His intern was on the set of this film. It was, like, kind of like the. The early, like, onset, like, you know, Jesus Christ. Just using that. That power and position. What a dirt bag. And, yes, it was so funny when watching this, Molly could only hear it because she was doing something while I was watching, and she was like, God, these guys are. All of them are terrible. I'm like, I know, right? [00:25:21] Speaker A: Real fucking scumbag turn. You know, like, yeah, very like. [00:25:27] Speaker B: And. Yeah. And Glaser kind of does the opposite. He kind of makes a sweet turn. [00:25:33] Speaker A: Well, he's kidding a little bit. I'm kidding a little. [00:25:39] Speaker B: He was brought down a peg or two. Yeah, that is. [00:25:42] Speaker A: That is a very gratifying scene when. [00:25:45] Speaker B: He'S, like, so nice. [00:25:46] Speaker A: It's just, like, shoots his load too soon, and then he's like, what? I don't understand. It's like, glazer, dude, you're young. Just round two. How are you not ready to go immediately? [00:25:57] Speaker B: Well, I think that's part of. I think that might be part of even, like, the better part of that is that, you know, it's like, yeah, like, maybe you and me at that age. But Glazer is so, like, I think, ashamed of being the. Well, yeah, right? Yeah. So ashamed of not being the big, like, strong, powerful man that was gonna, like, you know, really deliver that. He's kind of, like, maybe even a little bit, like, gun shy because of it. It shows that those powerful, strong men are really just impotent little wieners inside. [00:26:25] Speaker D: I mean, shouldn't everyone have known? His name's Glaze. [00:26:28] Speaker A: Her glaze. [00:26:29] Speaker B: Brian. Brian, come on. [00:26:38] Speaker A: Okay, yeah, yeah. And what was your. Chris, what was your experience watching this? [00:26:47] Speaker D: Kind of, like I said, I mean, like, I enjoyed it. It's a very different watch today because of what's happened in the world over the past five, six years. However long it's been, I still enjoyed it. It's. It's so weird, though. There's so many weird things about it, which we can get into later. Yeah, but there's just a lot to it. And also, too, like, I guess I didn't remember. There's some things I just didn't recall about it. Like, for instance, I remembered him killing the sex worker in the beginning of the film. But I thought that there was some sort of. I don't know. A justification. Not a justification, but, like, some sort of a story, a reason. You know what I mean? [00:27:30] Speaker B: You were a cropsy apologist. [00:27:32] Speaker A: What are you talking about? There's the best excuse. I'm like, just. There's two excuses. One, she fucking disses him, and two, she doesn't have sex with them. So I don't see why. Like, that's all the reason you need to murder. [00:27:45] Speaker B: Well, right now, cropsy is sitting at home listening to this podcast going, yeah, he gets me. [00:27:51] Speaker A: He got sarcastic. [00:27:54] Speaker D: No, I. I guess what I'm saying is, like, they talk about him, cropsy, later in the film, and kind of something I said about the fact that, you know, he was, like, a bit of a bully psycho. I thought there was something more in there about, like, him, like, being like, oh, yeah, no, he was like a killer. You know what I mean? A murderer. Like, ahead of time. Some sort of a thing that would, like, give a reason to it. [00:28:15] Speaker B: No, I went. [00:28:16] Speaker A: I went through it, like. No, I watched the scene of, like, a handful of times trying to glean as much information as I could that they were giving me. And it's like, he's a drunk. [00:28:27] Speaker B: Sounds like a hard ass. [00:28:28] Speaker D: Like a drunk bully. Yeah. [00:28:30] Speaker A: Yeah. He. Apparently he beat up Jamie, the kid with the glasses. In the beginning, he did something to Billy, something awful that they don't even say. Yeah, so apparently he's a drunk. And it's like. It's like you. I don't know if it's just ingrained in me that you want, like. Like with. With Jason, right? It's like, there's some sympathy there for, like, the neglect that led to his. His demise and the cropsy legend. Are you guys familiar with the cropsy legend at all? [00:29:05] Speaker B: The upstate New York cropsy legend that Harvey Weinstein heard at camps when he was a kid? [00:29:09] Speaker A: Well, it's not upstate. Staten Island, I believe, based. I think. [00:29:14] Speaker B: I thought he was. I thought. I think that he was at an upstate New York. [00:29:17] Speaker D: Yeah, I just thought was New York in general. I don't know. [00:29:20] Speaker A: It's probably just New York, but, yeah, it's like a. A dad kid. There's different versions of it, but, like, the overall arching version, right. Is like, this dad's kid gets killed by some. By fire, by some neglectful teenagers, and then he gets revenge on the teenagers, right? And they don't catch him. And then, of course, there is the cropsy come to life thing that happened. I don't know if you guys looked that up, but with Andre Rand, I. [00:29:54] Speaker D: Watched the documentary a long time ago. Like, any good? [00:29:58] Speaker A: I've always been reluctant to. [00:29:59] Speaker B: I mean, the burning. Right. It has to do with just the legend. [00:30:04] Speaker A: No. Yeah, there's the legend. Well, there's the legend. The urban legend existed before this happened. [00:30:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:11] Speaker A: But then this guy kind of fulfilled what that was because he kidnapped. [00:30:16] Speaker B: He was the. He was the thing. He actually became. [00:30:18] Speaker A: He was kidnapped, raping and murdering children. I believe he was only serving 225 to life sentences. [00:30:26] Speaker B: So he was like the Freddy Krueger of the. [00:30:29] Speaker A: Yeah, basically. He was this. He was this, like, don't. Don't do these. You know how urban legends are. Don't do this thing so that this doesn't happen to you. You know what I mean? He was that come to life, right? [00:30:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:43] Speaker A: Gotcha. [00:30:43] Speaker B: Yep. [00:30:44] Speaker A: The whole. The whole. Right. The whole summer camp thing, right. Was to. You have all these kids who are away from home for the first time, and it's like, how do you. How do we bond all these kids into being on the same side, right. Is you tell them a scary story by a fire, right? And it's like, well, there's this evil presence, right? And we all have to be vigilant against this evil presence. And now, even though you come from Brooklyn and you come from queens and you come from. [00:31:16] Speaker B: So how do you build solidarity? You create fear against the other. Yeah. Great lesson to teach kids. [00:31:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, I mean, to be fair in these stories, the other is a. Like a legit. Like, it's usually like a child molesting. [00:31:35] Speaker B: Rape, a Vietnam veteran who struggles with alcoholism. And that can be a little rough around the edges. [00:31:41] Speaker A: So we get thing coming from. That's not part of the story. [00:31:45] Speaker B: You don't know cropsy? I know cropsy. Cropsy. Yep. They give me. They give me furthering the point. [00:31:55] Speaker C: You guys say my name. [00:32:00] Speaker D: Hey. [00:32:03] Speaker C: Okay, I go now. [00:32:05] Speaker D: Bye, Cropsey. It was nice talking to you. [00:32:07] Speaker B: I like cropsy. Feels like a sesame street character right now. I love you guys. Bounce back in. Hey, guys, how you doing? Hey, Cropsy. That's enough out of you, buddy. Thank you. Creaming in. [00:32:16] Speaker A: Okay, well, see you later. [00:32:17] Speaker B: The word of the day is alpha. Um, because I am an alpha, and. [00:32:22] Speaker A: You guys are goodbye. But today's word is inadmissible evidence. [00:32:42] Speaker D: Hey, uh, what I was gonna say, though, is just that, like, trump dots. [00:32:54] Speaker A: Rob. [00:32:54] Speaker D: See, I gotta say real quick, I loved you on fresh air the other day. It was so. I guess, like, that was the thing from re watching it, though. There's no, like, backstory at all. So it's just so interesting that, like, the crops, he has this terrible accident that happens to him that he, you know, whatever. Maybe he caused it because he's created the situation. Maybe these teenagers, you know, whatever. And then, like, he's in a hospital for a long time, and then the first thing he does when he gets out is kill a woman. You know what I mean? [00:33:31] Speaker A: Like, I felt there was a. [00:33:34] Speaker B: There was a little bit of a joker situation in that it was like. It was also like a condemnation of the healthcare system. It's like, here's a guy that you treated him physically, but mentally and emotionally, he needs more help. And you just send him out on the streets. [00:33:46] Speaker A: Even physically still, he needs more help, right? They're like, yeah, this is not a good job, and you got to come back in six months, but you got to fucking go. [00:33:53] Speaker B: You know? It's going to be real hard to deal with, but just forgive those kids for burning you and setting you on fire. [00:33:57] Speaker D: You know, you gotta forgive those kids. [00:34:00] Speaker A: And the first thing. Go ahead. [00:34:02] Speaker D: Oh, sorry. Real quick. I'm not sure if that sex worker had ever had sex before. [00:34:07] Speaker A: I thought she was a perfect casting. She was in all that jazz, by the way. [00:34:11] Speaker D: No, no. I thought her dialogue just very much like, I've been with so many guys, and something like, you sound like that was also never had sex before. [00:34:19] Speaker B: That felt like written by, like. Like a guy who is a creep. [00:34:25] Speaker D: Yeah, absolutely. [00:34:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, let's hurry up, honey. Let's get this done. I got to get my dollar bill. It's like, that's not how any hooker would ever act. [00:34:35] Speaker A: Have you guys ever sex worker, have you guys ever had an extended stay at a hospital, then gotten out and what was the first thing you wanted to do. [00:34:47] Speaker B: When you say, how long is extended stay? [00:34:50] Speaker A: I'll say a week or more. [00:34:54] Speaker B: I don't think I've ever been in a hospital that long. I did. I did break out of a hospital once. [00:34:59] Speaker D: Wait. [00:34:59] Speaker A: Broke out of a hospital? [00:35:00] Speaker B: Wait. I got. I got put back. I got put back. [00:35:03] Speaker A: What? Okay. [00:35:05] Speaker D: Mental health. [00:35:07] Speaker A: What are you talking about here? [00:35:09] Speaker B: I. My appendix burst. I was in the hospital for a couple nights, and I woke up. I don't know if it was the drugs or what, but I woke up with the. With the iv or the stuff in my arms, you know, and I freaked out, and I was like, I gotta get out here now. I got to go home. I got to go home. I got my family. I got to take care of my family. I can't be here. So I ripped him out of my arm, and I walked out of the hospital, and they had to bring me back in. They had to walk me back in. [00:35:32] Speaker A: Is this when you, like, when Molly thought you were whining about something else? [00:35:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Molly thought I had a stomachache, and my appendix had burst, and I was in the floor crying and, like, crawling, and she was like, I will call 911 if you really want me to. You really want me to do that? And I said, yes, please. I was like, call them right now. She's like, mickey, are you kidding me? She's like, I got it pulled up. My phone's pulled up. You see the nine? You see the one? I'll do it. I'll do it. I was like, yes, please. I was like, I don't. I'm not challenging you to do it. I want you to do it. She was like, this is ridiculous right now. This is what you were acting so much. And I was like, I I was like, I think something's really bad wrong. I feel like somebody stabbed me in my stomach. And she was like, you probably need to poop. She's like, you probably need to poop. And I was like, this is not poop. But I don't know. It's not. I know it's not. She was like, oh, my God. And so she called 911, and then a police officer showed up, and he was like, he sat with me for the night, and we waited because it took forever. The ambulance, and it's right by our house. So it could. She could have just drove me there, but, um, got in the hospital, and then they said, yeah, dude, you mean you have to rush you into surgery right now because your appendix is burst and you could go into sepsis? [00:36:39] Speaker A: Yeah. And the first thing you wanted to. [00:36:43] Speaker B: Do when you got out, did you. [00:36:45] Speaker A: Want to have sex with your wife or a sex worker? [00:36:49] Speaker B: No, I actually, the first thing I did, because it was laparoscopic surgery, the first thing I did was I just sat down and farted for the longest possible time I possibly could. [00:36:58] Speaker D: Really? [00:36:59] Speaker B: There was so much air built up inside of me. It was like. It was like a fairly brothers comedic, like, fart. It was like. It was ridiculous. [00:37:10] Speaker D: Now, does Molly think that that giant thing of gas you had was actually the cause of the pain? And she still doesn't believe in the appendix at all. [00:37:19] Speaker B: She probably does, actually. She probably was like, see, I told you. [00:37:23] Speaker D: You went through all that surgery. [00:37:24] Speaker B: You had them remove your appendix just to prove me wrong. [00:37:26] Speaker D: You fooled those surgeons, but not me. [00:37:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:32] Speaker A: Boy, oh, boy. Shots fired on Molly. [00:37:35] Speaker B: Still have to defend herself on this. We'll bring her on. We'll ask her about it. [00:37:38] Speaker A: Voice of the podcast Molly. I guess I got you guys beat. Um, I, uh, got meningitis. [00:37:49] Speaker B: I stayed longer in a hospital than you. [00:37:50] Speaker A: I stayed longer than you guys. I'm more. I'm the alpha. I'm the alpha now. Um, uh, uh, I got meningitis, and I was in the hospital for. I don't know, it was over a week. I don't. But not quite two, maybe. Um, and the first thing I wanted to do when I got out was just really have sex. It was the first thing. [00:38:17] Speaker B: Real cropsy situation there. [00:38:19] Speaker A: Real crop situation. Real cropsy situation. And I was going to kill anyone who wasn't. No. Obviously, sex was not the first thing on my mind. Uh, I just wanted to, like, like, watch cart, watch Batman, the animated series, and eat tuna salad. That was. That's all I wanted to do. When I got out, I was so tired. [00:38:40] Speaker D: You're how old? [00:38:42] Speaker A: I was in my early twenties. [00:38:44] Speaker D: Oh, okay. [00:38:47] Speaker A: Yep. It sounds like a child. [00:38:50] Speaker D: Or 13. [00:38:52] Speaker A: I was. I was in Chicago. I got out of the house. [00:38:55] Speaker B: I wanted popsicles. And I want to be helping my mom. [00:38:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:58] Speaker B: I was 32. [00:38:58] Speaker D: Couldn't wait to join my little league team again. I was 28. [00:39:03] Speaker A: I got out of. I got out of the hospital, and my. My uncle, who lived in the suburbs of Chicago, took me in, uh, and let me stay at his house. My aunt, my uncle. And I. I remember I ate, like, uh, these. They had these tuna salad kits that were new, and I thought they were the most mind blowingly delicious thing in the world. And, um, uh, pudding. Like, snack packs pudding. And I. I had just gotten. I got my girlfriend to bring me. Yeah. Uh, not tapioca. Uh, I do like tapioca, but just vanilla and chocolate. Um, and I got my girlfriend. I had Netflix at the time, which was, like, at a great extravagant expense to have. And it was the DVD's. Remember the mail and DVD's, which they just recently got rid of. [00:39:46] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:39:46] Speaker A: They just phased that out. But I had, like, two. Two dvd's of, like, the, like, second season of Batman the animated series or whatever it was. It was, like, awesome. Sex was not on my mind. Yeah. Now, where do you think Billy got that head from? Thing to get at that time? Right? [00:40:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:18] Speaker A: Maggots or worms or whatever. And then. And then the candles. It's like, you think nowadays he could have gone to, like, a Halloween spirit or something? [00:40:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:25] Speaker A: And like, they would have an led and like, no cropsy situation. You know what I mean? Just would have scared them. [00:40:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:32] Speaker A: And no fire, right? [00:40:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:35] Speaker D: Fire bad. [00:40:36] Speaker A: Fire. Bad. Fire bad is no good. Isn't no good. [00:40:43] Speaker D: Who's this? [00:40:44] Speaker A: Yeah, crappy. [00:40:46] Speaker D: Oh, hey, nice to meet you. [00:40:48] Speaker B: Back down. Okay, cropsy. You guys should meet each other. [00:40:53] Speaker D: Pleasure. [00:40:54] Speaker A: The word of the minute is flame retarded. [00:40:58] Speaker B: What? [00:40:59] Speaker D: What was that? Last word. [00:41:00] Speaker A: Goodbye. What was that? Did he. It's not like he said something he shouldn't have said. [00:41:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I say so. Wow. [00:41:15] Speaker A: He's passionate about like, flame proofing things. [00:41:19] Speaker B: I think. [00:41:23] Speaker A: So. [00:41:23] Speaker B: I am speechless. [00:41:29] Speaker A: There is some great. In the documentary blood and fire memories, Savini talks about working on this and so something that's cool about cropsy, right? Cropsy is mostly played by Lou David, or at least in the. He's the. He's the guy on the cot and, you know, he does some of the stuff. But he's also played a lot by Savini. Savini and the director, Tom Malay Ham. And also when he. When it's the full burn, Malem. Thank you. When it's the full burn, that is Reed Rondell, who was only 17 at the time. His father, Ronnie Rundell, a famous stuntman. And Reed Rundell unfortunately died very young working on Airwolf, I believe. [00:42:25] Speaker D: Shit. [00:42:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, very sad and tragic, but like, it's. You can see videos of. It's like this. This fucking kid. And he's like, doing a fucking life. A live burn in this. And it's magnificent. Yeah, it's really practical effects always work, but when. When he knocks over, when cropsy knocks over the. The skull and lights his legs on fire, there's this really quick behind. It's. It's really funny. [00:42:55] Speaker D: I laugh at it. [00:42:56] Speaker B: Breard, why do you laugh at it so hard? [00:42:58] Speaker D: Because it's just like. [00:43:04] Speaker A: Okay, I got you. [00:43:05] Speaker B: It's like a scene from Top Gun or not. Naked gun, it seems. Naked gun. [00:43:08] Speaker D: It really is. [00:43:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:12] Speaker A: But it's just, you know, Savini plays the legs on fire in those shots and you just. The behind the scenes footage of savini, like, kicking around and then he'll casually cross his legs, very gentlemanly, like. And then someone comes to, like, put him out. Just cool stuff. I recommend the supplemental stuff. It's. It's. It's fun. It was shot outside of Buffalo and north Tonawanda by Niagara Falls, which I think really gives it that, like, you know, I think with the Friday the 13th films, I really do love the ones that are shot on the east coast as opposed to the ones that are on the west coast. They have the. It's. It just has that, like, authentication. Upstate camp New York. [00:44:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:07] Speaker A: Thing, which is something I like. I grew up always wanting to go to camp, and I never did. Did you guys ever have. Did you guys ever go to camp? [00:44:18] Speaker B: Oh, hell, yeah. [00:44:20] Speaker A: Oh, really? Okay. Mickey, what, what was your, like, what age range were you in? Did you go? A lot of years did. [00:44:26] Speaker B: I was. I went to summer camp, sleepover camps from the time I was probably in fourth grade till my junior year of high school. And the reason I stopped going my junior high school is because I went as a counselor instead, and I. [00:44:42] Speaker D: Counselor. Nice. [00:44:44] Speaker B: I was. But these were all church based camps, so their names were, like, camp chrysalis and camp veritas and camp. Yeah, they were like, you know, like, you know, judeo christian, you know, Methodist church camps. But. Yeah, but they all, they had all the feelings of these camps, too, because they were all in the middle of some wooded area with a big old lake and most everything, you know, circled around the lake, all the activities and outside of, like, you know, your praise, worship for 2 hours at night, the rest of the day was just like any of these camps. [00:45:23] Speaker A: Did you have, like, your first kiss at camp? [00:45:26] Speaker B: I had my first big crush at camp. Yeah. I don't know. That was my first kiss, but, yeah, my first big crush was with a, with a camp counselor when I was in fifth grade. And I actually thought I was like, dude, I totally got her. It's like she loves me because you know how, like, teenage girls that are camp counselors will, like, I don't want to say they flirt because it's not. It's not a fair thing, but they're just a really nice to, like, if you're, like, a cute kid and they're like, they'll sit there and talk to you because they see you're feeling nice. [00:45:53] Speaker A: To you, not getting on or flirting with you. [00:45:56] Speaker B: I understand that. That's why. That's. [00:46:07] Speaker D: Man, even. [00:46:07] Speaker A: Even when you're in fifth grade and you're a boy, you're like, this girl's being nice to me. She. Obviously, she wants me. Yeah, she wants. [00:46:13] Speaker B: So I bought her one of those, like, little necklaces that, you know, are like a heart that when put together, it says something. Oh, my God. And I got. I gave her one half and me the other half. [00:46:24] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:46:26] Speaker B: I can't remember, but I do remember this vividly. She handed it back to me she goes, oh, oh, Mickey. Oh, buddy. She's like, I can't accept this from you. She's like, I don't. I am. I'm 16. And I was like, I know, but I thought you liked me, you know? And it was a very. [00:46:45] Speaker D: Oh, shit. [00:46:47] Speaker B: It was a very hard thing for me to understand. [00:46:49] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [00:46:51] Speaker A: Mickey, I heard your story, and I gotta say, trees deserves to die. Did you kill her? [00:46:58] Speaker B: Is this the water boy? Did the water boys. [00:47:03] Speaker D: Tell me about playing middle inside linebacker? [00:47:09] Speaker B: My mom is the agator. So angry they got no teeth or they got no toothbrush for them? Teeth? Um, no. [00:47:15] Speaker D: Uh, let me tell you. [00:47:19] Speaker B: Hey, there you go. But, no, I don't appreciate you making. [00:47:24] Speaker A: Fun of the way I talk. [00:47:30] Speaker B: Um, but, so, yeah, that. That was my, like. Yeah, so I. Yeah, yeah, it was tough. It was a hard lesson. [00:47:37] Speaker A: Chris, did you go to summer camp? [00:47:40] Speaker D: Not really. I was a cub scout and enjoyed bullet there. [00:47:46] Speaker A: Huh. [00:47:48] Speaker D: I had a good time. I had a good times as the little scouts. But then when it got to be doing the day camps and then when it got to be the overnight camps, I went to one once, and I remember vividly being like, this sucks. I don't have my video games, air conditioning. There's bugs out here. Like, I don't want to do this. [00:48:09] Speaker A: It's a horror movie. [00:48:11] Speaker D: This is a horrible experience. So, yeah, I was. The camp was not a thing for me. Whenever I was a kid. I was not my jab. [00:48:19] Speaker B: Michelangelo camps. [00:48:21] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:48:22] Speaker A: I never had the fortune of going to camp. I always wanted to. Uh, and then when I was in my late twenties, I applied to be a counselor at a camp and got a job. But that was the same year I got accepted into this summer intensive acting program with a theater company in New York and ended up turning down the job to do this thing. And that's where I met Allie. And I like the whole thing totally. The whole trajectory of doing that totally changed, like, so many aspects of my life outside of just, like, Allie being a part of it, which is a huge thing. [00:49:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Shout out to Ally. Wonderful human. [00:49:09] Speaker A: Yeah. And which, like, that experience, I mean, like, doing anything theater related is kind of like a summer camp experience. Regardless of the time of year you're doing it. It really is like, just like whenever you do a play, it's like this insane bonding thing, and it's just like you're. Sometimes you get to be away from home, and it's just. It's. It's. It's. It's. Doing theater is like being in camp continuously. In my opinion, as a person who's never been to camp, schedules are intense. [00:49:42] Speaker D: You don't get a lot to eat. You're told what to do and what to do. It's like a cult. [00:49:48] Speaker A: That's how this intensive was. Yeah, it's like a cult. It's like. It's this, like, religious cult. Yeah. Um. Uh, so, okay, so Cropsey gets out of the hospital, right? And then we have, like, I think I wrote this down. I basically almost forget about the slasher part of this film because there is, like, there's like 15 minutes that go by where it's just a setup of the kids in the camp outside of, like, tiger looking for the ball. Right. And Cropsy maybe almost get. Cropsy kills Tiger. We don't have a movie, right? [00:50:31] Speaker D: Well, I guess not. Yeah. They'd be like, oh, where'd she go with the ball? And all that? But. But then maybe it's a more intensive, interesting film. I don't know. [00:50:42] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:50:42] Speaker D: Say, never. [00:50:45] Speaker A: Talk to the ladies. [00:50:47] Speaker D: A shower, peeping. They're like the. They do the, you know. You think it's cropsy doing the whole peeping? [00:50:55] Speaker A: They fake us out. [00:50:57] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:50:58] Speaker A: With. [00:51:01] Speaker D: Mm hmm. [00:51:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Alfred, do we feel sympathy for Alfred? Is he just kind of fucking creep? [00:51:09] Speaker D: He sucks. [00:51:10] Speaker A: He lacks. He lacks character development to give us a reason to root for him. [00:51:17] Speaker B: He does suck. But for anybody who was a fan of Brian Backer in the day, there is a baked in softness to him that is like, given any other actor, it would completely be no emotional attachment at all. But I do think that given what he's given, which is not good and does make him feel like an unsympathetic sleazeball. I think that Brian Backer has a certain element just innately in him that makes him feel like you kind want to root for him. In a weird way, I could see. [00:51:51] Speaker A: How it's like sometimes a kid, like, it's like, okay, the guy's like this, and then they all have a laugh. So what I'll do is I'll sneak into the shower and then scare her. Or like, I can kind of, like, do some work for the script and. But it's not there. [00:52:12] Speaker B: Oh, it's not. [00:52:12] Speaker A: There's a way. There's a way to set it up where it's like, okay, I did this thing. It was stupid. I thought I was going to get on like the guys would think I was cool, and she might think that I was flirting with her, which would. Then I'm in with the guys and the girls, and it's like, no, dude, you're so wrong about this. And, like, there's a way to make that work, but it's not. It's not in this script. [00:52:36] Speaker B: It's not. No, it's not written. [00:52:38] Speaker A: I think what you're saying, mickey, is that you see it. You see, you see sympathy for that actor because the actor is good, and you're seeing. Right, he's not doing. That's. That's the stuff he's doing. That's not on the page. [00:52:50] Speaker B: What innately he has, what innately he has that he. That he has done in multiple films is be kind of like the, the sad schlep that you're rooting for, and they grab the perfect actor for that, but then wrote him completely wrong. You know, it's like, you know what I mean? [00:53:05] Speaker A: That's a lot. A lot of the male characters in this. You know, you know, this, this and the female character, this really could have used a Deborah Hill touch, you know what I mean? Like, they needed, like, a woman to come in and be like, this is not how women talk. And, like, you know, unless you are intentionally writing the character to be a rapist sleazebag, you need to, like, you can make some alt. Because even, you know, a lot of these movies that we watch, you're like, oh, you know, you got to consider the time it was written in, and, like, this was considered flirting at that time. And it's like, it doesn't work in this movie. Right. And I think it's because it's written by somebody who has something wrong with them. [00:53:47] Speaker B: Yeah, right. By absolutely predatory, awful male who, who is not self aware to understand that, like, your actions are wrong. This is not, you know, locker room talk. What you're doing and what you're doing is, is, is objectifying and, and, um, you're pressuring these women. This is one thing that, that I see a lot of. It's like the women have no agency. The men are allowed to do what they want. The women have to then react to it, and it's like, I don't know, it. They're. It's very problematic, this film, in that way. [00:54:24] Speaker D: It, uh, here reminded me of, uh. Do you guys ever seen that film PCU? Oh, yeah. You know, that, like, mind that, like, David Spade has about, like, you can't even coercive woman into sex anymore. [00:54:35] Speaker B: What's wrong with this film? [00:54:38] Speaker D: Makes me think that, like, all the men, I feel, like, have that perspective, except for maybe Ted right? [00:54:45] Speaker A: No, no. Well, Ted. Ted or Todd? No, but Jason Alexander, Dave Woodstock, Fisher Stevens. [00:54:54] Speaker D: And Woodstock's like, I don't know. I feel like he's a dick. [00:54:58] Speaker A: He's. He's not dick. First of all, he's 16 in this. He's a little. I thought I loved him in this. And when he went that when he dies on the raft, I was, like, really sad about. I like the way fish, Woodstock, and Dave support Alfred, who's having a tough time at camp, and, like, recognize that Glazers is fucking being a dick. You know what I mean? Like, they're. They're loyal to boys. Him. Yeah. They're loyalty towards him. And, like, they never really do anything, like, grossly inappropriate with the girls. In fact, Dave seems to be either too shy to talk to Barbara, but he's got the crush on Barbara. And, like, she gets teased by, uh, Sally, uh, about it. Uh, but, like, either sal or either Barbara's not into Dave or Dave, like, is all talking, no show. You know what I mean? He's like, real big talk around his friends, but, like, can't actually then talk to the girl. Uh, because there's a. There's a little exchange about, uh, like, oh, what happened with Dave? And she's like, oh, rolls her eyes or something like that. And it's like, oh, what happened there? Like, they've tried and you weren't into it, or Dave didn't try and you wanted him to. [00:56:23] Speaker D: I. Real quick. I think that's a great point to make, though, right? Like, that whole, like, so Alfred, you know, gets caught peeping, being a creep. Todd has his little conversation with him, and, you know, Alfred does his ball you out. [00:56:36] Speaker B: I've never heard that phrase. It's like, I'm gonna be lucky I didn't ball you out. [00:56:41] Speaker D: But, like, I love the fact that, like, Alfred's, like, I don't like this place. I've got no friends or whatever. And we immediately cut to them. Him being surrounded by this group that is really supporting him and treating him as best as they can, and this guy is just a piece of shit. Alfred sucks. [00:56:59] Speaker A: He's a pill. He's a pill. It's like you got all these guys supporting you, and it's like, come on, come out of your shell. So it's like, that's what makes one of the things about the ending. And we'll get to it later. But since we're talking about Alfred, it's like when Alfred comes out of his shell finally, and, like, fucking stabs cropsy at the end of the film, this. It should be this triumphant moment, right? And it's not. Nah, it really isn't, unfortunately. And I apologize to anyone who absolutely loves this film and is listening to the podcast. Like, I, like, I do love this movie, and it has a place in my heart. [00:57:38] Speaker D: I like this film. [00:57:38] Speaker A: You gotta point out. You gotta point out, like, some of its failings, and I think that's one of them. It's like, you don't have that triumphant moment. [00:57:46] Speaker D: I don't think anyone. Some sort of, like, ardent defender of the character's actions, even if they really like this film. I mean, I'd be really concerned about them if they do, because they have some very myopic, masochistic thoughts about people. [00:58:05] Speaker A: I meant to. Speaking of Todd, I meant to wear my pearl snap denim shirt. I was a big fan of Hobbs Todd's costume in this, which, by the way, according to the cast list, Keith Mandel played young Todd and Brian Matthews played Todd. So I rewatched again, I rewatched the opening of this a bunch of times. I'm like, oh, was Todd a part of the group that sets cropsy on fire? [00:58:33] Speaker B: Yeah, he was. [00:58:35] Speaker A: I don't. I don't think so. [00:58:37] Speaker B: No. [00:58:37] Speaker D: They say that. [00:58:39] Speaker A: When do they say that? I totally knew that. [00:58:41] Speaker B: They do. That is all from face to face. [00:58:44] Speaker D: It's like, for the final showdown. [00:58:46] Speaker B: Yeah, sure. [00:58:48] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:58:49] Speaker A: Okay. Sorry. I was a little checked out at that time. I was like, I know. Okay. So that's okay. Okay. Is he the one who likes. Who was he see the one who lights it? [00:58:59] Speaker B: No. [00:59:01] Speaker D: Yeah, he's along with the ride. [00:59:02] Speaker B: He actually feels like it's. [00:59:04] Speaker A: Is he the one that says, as long as I can see the look on that motherfucker's face or whatever. [00:59:09] Speaker D: No, I can't remember. [00:59:12] Speaker B: I feel like he was one that they say, said, are you with us? And he goes. He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, kind of like, um. [00:59:17] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:59:17] Speaker A: Just going along, like, wasn't like, yeah, but not Jamie. Not the kid with the glasses, right? [00:59:24] Speaker B: No. [00:59:24] Speaker A: Okay, I got to go back. I'm sorry. I got to go back and rewatch you. [00:59:29] Speaker B: He didn't have glasses because in a film like this, if he had had glasses, they would have also put Brian Matthews, Todd, in glasses, out of his. [00:59:36] Speaker A: Shell and become, like, became, like, a hot dude. [00:59:38] Speaker B: He was like, they do like a. They do a. They do a match cut a face to face to show that, like, this is him as a kid. He was there, and he feels like he is either the youngest or of the youngest group that's there doing this, and he's going along with the group now. [00:59:54] Speaker D: It's very funny because it's been like one, five years or whatever. That's. That hasn't been a long time. [00:59:59] Speaker A: And he said, like a man. [01:00:00] Speaker D: Completely different person. [01:00:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:02] Speaker D: It's like, why did you have a different actor? I don't know. [01:00:05] Speaker A: Also kind of a, like, that does make him kind of a dick during the campfire story. [01:00:11] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly. He's like a sociopath. He's telling the story. [01:00:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:15] Speaker D: Most horrendous, tragic thing in his life. Just like, man, I'll just throw it out there. [01:00:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Fucking alcoholic. He was a scumbag alcoholic. And these kids, they were fucking, you know, they did the thing that they did and that either they should be. [01:00:31] Speaker D: Forgiven, I mean, they probably didn't even really mean it. And, like, you not charged, you know, found not guilty of any crimes. [01:00:38] Speaker B: Very Harvey Weinstein. [01:00:40] Speaker A: Thank, thankfully, props. He's not down here right now. I think he would not enjoy, like, yeah. Hearing that, you know? Wait, don't tell me what I like. [01:00:52] Speaker C: I don't like my. [01:00:55] Speaker A: Jesus, that was terrifying. I haven't gotten used to his face yet. Oh, God. [01:01:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:04] Speaker A: Chris, did you notice the foreshadowing of Tarantino's eventual relationship with merrimacks in this film? [01:01:14] Speaker D: No. What, is there some feet shot, right? [01:01:17] Speaker A: Yeah, right before this. Right before the shower scene that, like, opens up in the girl's cabin, and it's like, a few seconds on some girl's feet. [01:01:28] Speaker D: So are we, like, saying that this is the origin story for Tarantino becoming a filmmaker? [01:01:33] Speaker A: He's written in the stars. I totally forgot that this was a slasher for a section. I'm like, oh, yeah, when they do the. When they do the crops, he's watching, and Alfred sees him outside the window. Right? I'm like, oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, this is a slasher. Bad things are going to happen. And, um, now, did you guys. Are you guys aware at vitamin e gives you a bigger loads? [01:02:06] Speaker D: No, I've heard that. [01:02:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I heard that. I think so. Like, I think in. In, uh, Woodstock's fanny pack, he's got vitamin e for the bigger loads. Uh, maybe some lotion and lube, other vitamins, wipes. [01:02:20] Speaker B: Sperm. [01:02:22] Speaker A: Spermicide. No, he's not having sex. He's just jerking off. So I don't think he needs to sperm. [01:02:26] Speaker B: Okay. Okay, my bad. [01:02:27] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just a lot of jerking off. Um, yeah. [01:02:35] Speaker B: Which makes you a worse. Which makes you worse at canoeing. I've learned all your energy. [01:02:48] Speaker D: I do like the, like, uh, the little. Whenever they leave on the trip in the beginning, like, them actually all, like, we're having a good time. We're being real playful. Splashing each other. Having a good time. Yeah. They feel like kids. [01:03:02] Speaker B: Everyone's having a. Yeah, everyone but Alfred. [01:03:05] Speaker D: Alfred kind of looks a little bit of a wet blanket. He's, like, in the middle of the camera. I wish people were swimming naked and I could watch. My name's Alfred. [01:03:19] Speaker A: Oh, hi, Alfred. [01:03:20] Speaker B: Welcome down to the. Wow, we're getting the whole cast down here. [01:03:23] Speaker D: You guys. You guys are great. [01:03:28] Speaker B: You guys getting me? You guys get. [01:03:30] Speaker A: You get like, we get you? Is that what you're gonna say? [01:03:34] Speaker D: I can tell that you guys are watchers, too. Do you guys want to come watch with me? [01:03:40] Speaker A: I don't know, Alfred. That's not. I think you stop watching so much. [01:03:47] Speaker D: Shake my limp hand. [01:03:49] Speaker A: No, I don't. [01:03:51] Speaker B: Why is it so sweaty? [01:03:53] Speaker A: It's wet. [01:03:54] Speaker D: Don't worry about that. [01:04:01] Speaker A: Why don't you go spend 15 minutes trying to hide, okay? [01:04:05] Speaker D: I'll just be back here in the shadows watching. [01:04:09] Speaker B: All right, thanks, Alfred. All right, we appreciate you. [01:04:12] Speaker D: Hugs. [01:04:15] Speaker A: So this is. This is a really the perfect movie for anyone who is super wanting to see Jason Alexander's butthole. This is the movie for you. [01:04:28] Speaker D: What? He sounds in his butthole. [01:04:31] Speaker B: His butthole. [01:04:33] Speaker A: Oh, whatever. He did flash. They all flash. Glazer. [01:04:39] Speaker C: I didn't. [01:04:40] Speaker D: Frame by frame that. [01:04:42] Speaker A: I got it. We got it. Oh, yeah, I got that framed in the house. Ripping Seinfeld fans over here. Of course I'm gonna fucking 800 of Jason Alexander's butthole. [01:04:55] Speaker D: Did you talk. Did you talk Ally into watching this with. Just like, I was like that. [01:05:00] Speaker A: She was like, no. And I, like, I paused it anyways, on the iPad and showed it to her. [01:05:07] Speaker D: You can look at this, please, look at this. [01:05:11] Speaker A: Speaking of stars, we got Holly Hunter in a very small part as Sophie, and we see her for the first time at the campfire. The story sort of storytelling scene. The campfire story. And. Yeah, I love scene. What do you guys think about pranking people like that? [01:05:34] Speaker B: I. I'm all for it, to be honest. [01:05:37] Speaker A: Really? Okay. [01:05:38] Speaker B: I do love. I do love getting people, like, setting. I love teeing up a good story, having people lean in, and then delivering a nice jump scare in person. It gives me great joy if I know it's innocent and nobody. I'm actually not, like, hurting anybody, offending anybody, or, you know, it's like when it's in good fun. It's a great. It's a great gag. [01:06:01] Speaker A: Do you think the gag in this is too far with Eddie with the knife and the mask? [01:06:06] Speaker B: I don't think so. [01:06:08] Speaker A: Okay. [01:06:09] Speaker B: They're of age. They're of age. If these, like, little tiny kids, maybe I'd be like, the knife's too much. But yeah, Chris, I was gonna say. [01:06:17] Speaker D: I mean, I think it's appropriate. Like, you know, like in certain situations. Not really my vibe. I'm more like the, you know, fuck up your home kind of prank, but. But, you know, wow. [01:06:30] Speaker B: Wow. Vandalism pranks, you know, those are more fun. [01:06:33] Speaker A: Set fire to your house and turn you into. [01:06:37] Speaker B: I'm more. I'm more of, like, the early pranks, like, the cropsy pranks. That's my style. [01:06:40] Speaker D: More of a skull with a candle in it and a jar of gasoline. You know, classic pranks. [01:06:45] Speaker A: I'm more of a watcher. The prank is I saw you naked. [01:06:59] Speaker B: Come on, enough, okay? [01:07:01] Speaker A: Go away, buddy. Go away. Don't watch. Fine line between a wallflower and a creep. [01:07:08] Speaker B: Okay, yeah, that's true. [01:07:11] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. Like it? [01:07:13] Speaker B: Oh, I'm speaking of crap. [01:07:15] Speaker A: Well, hold on. I want to get my opinion out. Jesus Christ. That's a question. [01:07:18] Speaker B: Okay. You're bringing a lot of. Bringing a lot of Alfred energy. [01:07:23] Speaker A: I thought you're gonna say alpha. [01:07:26] Speaker B: No, Alfred, my friends, you're not letting me say what I want to say. [01:07:33] Speaker A: Alpha, please. I don't like it. I like scaring someone as a joke. It's not. Not my style, not my taste. [01:07:42] Speaker D: What kind of joke do you like then? [01:07:55] Speaker B: That already feels creepy. I don't know why. [01:08:03] Speaker D: Damn. [01:08:04] Speaker B: Wow. [01:08:05] Speaker A: I don't. I don't joke. I don't joke about stuff, guys. [01:08:08] Speaker D: It's not funny. [01:08:09] Speaker A: It's not funny. Continue the conversation. I have to. I have to go check out cropsy real quick. [01:08:24] Speaker B: And I'm out. [01:08:27] Speaker D: Mickey? [01:08:28] Speaker B: Yeah? [01:08:28] Speaker D: Do you have a pair of garden shears? [01:08:31] Speaker B: I do, yeah. [01:08:33] Speaker D: I don't know about you, but my experience with garden shears is that they're not nearly sharp enough to do the damage. [01:08:37] Speaker B: On purse, not at all. I struggle to get through a four inch diameter twig. Sometimes with it, I'm not going through four fingers, like, no problem. [01:08:53] Speaker D: Some grasses, like, laugh at me when I try cutting it with garden shears. This film, you can just, like, twirl them around and order, like, ten people. [01:09:00] Speaker B: This is a great advertisement. I mean, this is obviously the garden shear lobby really put some money into this film because they made me think, wow, I need to go get some sharp, good garden shears. Since I saw that, like, this thing cuts through anything. [01:09:13] Speaker D: Did you guys get the new version of Cropsey that was brought to you by Fiskars? I was like, check it. That'd be really funny. [01:09:21] Speaker A: They always, like. They always. They're always awkward, right? They're never sharp, and they're always kind of awkward to handle and use. So the thought of using it. [01:09:31] Speaker B: Awkward. [01:09:31] Speaker A: A weapon. [01:09:32] Speaker D: I was gonna say, how are they awkward? They're just like, I don't know. [01:09:36] Speaker A: Yeah, that's my point. Is, like. Is, like, pretty. [01:09:39] Speaker B: Like, I don't find it. [01:09:43] Speaker D: I do think the sound effects, the fully worked on them is, like, great in the film. I do like hearing the, like. Like, whenever he breaks them out and stuff like that. But, like, it's laughable. Like, I love on the raft scene. Like, he pretty much kills that one girl by, like, cutting her forehead. [01:09:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. That apparently was the hardest to shoot and edit. And Bob Weinstein said to shoulder, who is the editor, and Bob Weinstein was the type of guy who was like, cut 15 minutes out of everything. You know what I mean? He was like, for that scene, he was like, it needs to be longer. I need you to make it longer. And I think it is, out of all the horror suspense stuff in this film, I think the raft is by far the most effective for me. No, it's the most sensible facts, and it's just like, it. And because I'm so. I like. I love the Woodstock character so much. I'm like him being at the front and, like, this slow approach to the. It's just like, you're just. I'm just like, no, no, I don't want to see him go, because he's such, like a sweet kid in my. [01:11:02] Speaker B: You're really Woodstock? [01:11:05] Speaker A: Mm hmm. [01:11:06] Speaker B: It's just a Fisher Stevens thing. What's going on? Do you also love short circuit? You love short circuit? [01:11:12] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. [01:11:15] Speaker B: You really are all mister Stevens and short circuit. [01:11:19] Speaker A: Okay. No, that's not what I said. Um, excuse me. I'm sorry. Um, I just, uh. I just. He's. He's a nice boy. [01:11:34] Speaker D: You're real. Uh, I. I said, I don't think you. You didn't approve. My other thing I said earlier, I said, you're a real snoopy. You love your woodstock. You real Joe cool. You like that? [01:11:47] Speaker A: And there is. That's so weird that there's a snoop and a Woodstock. [01:11:53] Speaker B: That's right. [01:11:53] Speaker A: You know, Alfred, I guess, is the Charlie Brown right. [01:11:58] Speaker B: Well, wouldn't he? Who's the snoop? [01:12:03] Speaker A: Snoop? Snoop is one of the kids at the beginning who likes cropsy on fire. [01:12:10] Speaker B: So you're saying modern retelling of peanuts. [01:12:13] Speaker D: Yeah. Glazer is a real Lucy. [01:12:15] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yeah. [01:12:18] Speaker A: I gotta say, here's the Sally I love, Michelle. Michelle's great. Lee Ayers, who is also in all that jazz. Poor Karen. Oh, man, Karen. I kind of feel like Karen gets it the worst just because of the, like, I'm into this guy, but sometimes he's a creep, but sometimes he's really nice. And then that whole scene right before her death, and then he does. Clothes are gone, and then she just gets fucking brutally murdered. Just like. It's not. It's just like, what did she do? [01:12:54] Speaker D: Well, and then also, too, Cropsey takes her body and it's like, man, what's he doing there? You know? I'm saying he doesn't take anyone else's body. [01:13:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:13:04] Speaker D: Not good. [01:13:05] Speaker A: Not, not good. [01:13:07] Speaker D: Not good. Don't like it. [01:13:10] Speaker A: What's wrong with that? [01:13:12] Speaker D: Oh, it's a cropsy. Are you back again? [01:13:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:13:16] Speaker D: So you're trying to justify your brutal murdering of Karen. Am I right? Right. [01:13:21] Speaker A: Goodbye. Okay, that was quick. [01:13:26] Speaker D: He's so. He likes to really dart in and out of the shadows. Heman, Alfred, they really. I think they work in tandem, you know, like. [01:13:34] Speaker A: Yeah, they're just in the shadows. [01:13:36] Speaker B: They're the duality of us. All right? Of all of us men. They're the duality. We were one party offered one part cross. Are you an Alfred? You across while we're on talking about the cast? [01:13:55] Speaker A: Yes. [01:13:57] Speaker B: For a moment, I had a brilliant idea when watching the film. I was like, you have a bona fide egot cast, right? You got Emmy, Grammy, Oscar and Tony winning cast here, right? Oli Hunter, Jason Alexander and Fisher Stevens. Right? Between them, you have got an Egot, you got a b. Got. Including Baptist. I could see a cut of this film by the Weinsteins when the Weinsteins were in their, like, big Miramax era of, like, putting out classic, you know, like, indie dramas that were, you know, sweeping up the Oscars. I could see a trailer cut of this film that goes, like, classical soft, like, beautiful music. It's like Oscar winner Holly Hunter, Tony winner Jason Alexander and Oscar winner Fisher Stevens in a coming of age story set in a summer camp, the burning. And it, like, not even mentioned any horror. And it would be, like, sold. [01:14:58] Speaker A: That's Miramax. [01:14:59] Speaker B: It's the Weinsteins. It's all these Oscar winners. And, you know, it's like, this is a, this is a big film for. [01:15:06] Speaker A: For me as a person who loves horror. My favorite part, my favorite parts of this movie are the parts that really don't have anything to do with the horror element. I just, I like what's happened. I like the story that's happening with these kids. I like, I don't think they, there's not a lot of character development and there's problem with arcs, but I love the actors playing these parts and I think these characters are pretty strong, some of them, and it might just be the actors, it's what they're bringing to it. But, like, I'm really interested in what happens if Cropsey doesn't come to this camp with these. [01:15:45] Speaker B: It's just all of them, like, coming of age, going through dramas together. It's like fast times at Ridgemont High meets summer camp, you know? And, yeah, I agree with you. And there's also, let me ask you this. [01:15:58] Speaker A: Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. [01:15:59] Speaker B: I was gonna say there's a sense of scale that this has, that, that like the Friday 13th formula does not have. Friday 13th feels like, here's your seven characters. We're going to give each one, one character scene. So you develop who they are in the, in the trope of who they are and they're going to slowly kill them off. This felt like anybody could go at any time. And it felt, it felt bigger in scale with more kids and more like people in the camp. And I think that part of it made it a little more interesting in some ways, if that makes sense. It had a little more scale to it. Even though it feels low budget and you still have your main characters, it just felt like, oh, who is that kid? And who is that kid? In the same way? Wet, hot summer or something like that has a lot of kids. [01:16:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I would, I would just slightly disagree with you in that way. I think. I think Friday the 13th gets to a point where it's just like, we're gonna make these kids give him one thing, he's annoying and you kill him. There are plenty of Friday the 13th where there is, there are, they're nice characters. They're, they're interesting characters. [01:17:10] Speaker B: I'm not saying they're not nice characters either. [01:17:12] Speaker D: Talking about scale of people, scale, just. [01:17:15] Speaker B: Feeling like, like this feels right there. Summer camp, summer camp always feels like it's not really a summer camp. It feels like something adjacent to a summer camp or just a couple kids end up in camp. [01:17:25] Speaker A: Well, it's always like it's the day. [01:17:27] Speaker B: Going to the week ahead, or it's. [01:17:28] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like the summer. Yeah, I think it's, uh. [01:17:31] Speaker B: And that's all. That's all I'm saying. [01:17:34] Speaker A: Uh, let's see, there's four, five, six. I think it's part six where it's like, that's the first Friday the 13th where there's actual campers. Yeah. Where Jason. Jason's officially a zombie. Is that part six or part seven? [01:17:49] Speaker D: It's like. It's, like, midway through the series when you actually have a full summer camp. [01:17:53] Speaker A: But it's the final. I think it's part six because it's the final film with Tommy Jarvis. [01:17:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:58] Speaker A: The guy who was in return of the living dead, and he, like, stabs Jason, and he comes back to life, is only Friday the 13th with actual campers at the camp. [01:18:09] Speaker D: Actually, that would be six, because he's resurrected. Six plus five. Five is fake. [01:18:14] Speaker A: So then it's. [01:18:16] Speaker B: Yeah. And then seven is obviously, like, the. The genus Saqua. [01:18:22] Speaker A: Yes. [01:18:22] Speaker B: Beautiful. Like the. The standout of the series. [01:18:25] Speaker A: Yes, yes. But I do. I have a theory about Alfred. [01:18:31] Speaker B: Okay. [01:18:33] Speaker A: Do you think Alfred's into Glazer? Do you think he's, like, closeted, like. [01:18:39] Speaker B: And trying to prove his. [01:18:40] Speaker A: Okay, well, it's just like, what's his obsession with Glazer so much? You think you would be avoiding him, but, like, he's often, like, staring at him and watching him, and it's like, I don't know. Do you think. I mean, obviously, it's not. It's not really there, but do you think maybe the actor was like, you know what? I'm going to bring a little something to this. And the director maybe picked up on that and threw in some shots to maybe try to develop something interesting. [01:19:04] Speaker D: I feel like. [01:19:05] Speaker B: I think. [01:19:06] Speaker D: Good, Mickey. [01:19:07] Speaker B: Well, I was gonna say, I think that probably if I were to. If I were to look into what the film's saying and do a little bit of work for the film, I'd say that Alfred is doing what many guys do, where he sees the thing that he wants, which is Sally, and then he sees what Sally wants, which is Glazer, and therefore, he idolizes the thing that the woman he wants. Wants. And I think. Yeah, go. [01:19:30] Speaker D: I was just gonna say there's also, like, a little bit, like, scared puppy there, too. You know what I mean? Because, like, I think, like, there's a little bit of that. Like, he knows that, like, if he does the wrong thing, if he's acting on his natural impulses, which is to be a sex pest, creep towards Sally. Glazer's gonna, like, beat the living out of him. [01:19:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:50] Speaker D: I think that there's a little bit of that, like, fear thing going on, and watching the thing you're most scared of. I like the idea of that. I wish that was probably in the film, but I just. It didn't. Didn't happen for me. That's fun thought. Fun thought exercise, Michelangelo. Thank you for that. [01:20:10] Speaker B: I don't mind that. That what you're positing being or that what you're saying is that Alfred could be closet. I mean, it's a. It would be a better version of the story. Yeah. [01:20:18] Speaker A: He wouldn't even have to be closeted, necessarily. He would just have to be keeping that, obviously, from these, like. Like, the time period you would have to be. Right. You would have to be closeted in that time period. Right. You know what? Especially Glazer. What is he going to do with that information? You know what I mean? [01:20:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:35] Speaker A: Did you guys. Maybe I missed this, but, like, don't you think? Okay, so it's like an overnight. They're going on an overnight, which means one night. So the fact that they lose their canoes and then, like, no one come. Like, Jeff, the counselor, the head counselor guy who is a good casting. I like him in the scene when he's in the chow hall, and he's like, okay, guys, you got to do this and make sure you do that and all this stuff. Good, good casting. But, um, no one comes, like, oh, all these kids are gone. They were supposed to come back. They aren't here. Maybe someone should go check on them because they're not bad. And then when they do show up two days later, not a day later, but two days later, he's like, where are my fucking canoes? And she's like, michelle's, like, covered in blood, right? He's like, where are my canoes? [01:21:31] Speaker B: I guess I got lost on the time then, because I thought that it would made sense. I must have got lost on, like, the day, night, and when. Well, how many days they've been gone? I thought they'd only been gone the one. Okay. [01:21:42] Speaker D: It's also because of the fact that a lot of the night scenes are clearly shot, like, in day, so that doesn't help either. Yeah, but I mean, is it likely just an overnight? Like, I know that's going is. [01:21:56] Speaker A: It's an overnight. So I. You know, I guess it's overnight for two nights, but, like, it's because it seems like they're going to go back the next day, but the canoes are gone. They built the raft. The kids go on the raft. And then they have the second night where Glazer blows his low too soon. They got the campfire, and then they, you know, Eddie, where the fuck is Karen? What should you do the morning of the first? [01:22:19] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:22:20] Speaker B: Mm hmm. Yeah, okay, I can see that. Okay, fair. It was a different time, too. It's like, you know, true. It might be a thing where it's like, yeah, give the kids an extra. [01:22:32] Speaker A: Night, like, the makeshift wrath thing. You're like, where are my fucking canoes? And why are you joking about this stuff? [01:22:39] Speaker D: And she's like, can't call what their cell phones. This was in the eighties. [01:22:44] Speaker A: Okay, you're right. Okay. [01:22:48] Speaker D: I did really, like, though, that, like, about, like, her, like, proof to him that something is truly wrong is like, look at those kids. And it's just them being like, that somehow really was proof of anything, you know, she is covered in. [01:23:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I do remember being a kid and being like, when you're one of the older kids at a camp, being like, hey, you know, you're older, so you're allowed to go. We're gonna hike up this thing, and then we're gonna camp out overnight. And you're with, like, one teenage counselor, like, who's taking you up there. Total trust by the adults. And you would come in the next day and you'd get lost, and you'd be, like, frustrated, and everybody would. And it was building, you know, like, teamwork. It was like learning how to persevere, be resilient. And then you come in, and the adults would be, like, clapping you in even though you were later than you're supposed to be. You're beaten and tired, and they're like, yeah, you made it. Welcome to adulthood. You know? So there is an element of that that I think was very much of that period that now it's like, we would never do that, right? If my kids are gone 2 hours longer than I said, I'm, like, freaking out and paranoid that something bad's happened. You know, just a different Mentality. [01:23:58] Speaker A: I was. Mickey was, and I were recently hanging out, and his son was there. And I remember I said to him, you know how lucky you are that, like, we're talking with you and laughing with you? Like, my parents, when they were with their friends, it was like, go away. You do not exist. You leave us alone. And it's like, we're like, you're such a good parent. You're involved in your Child's life, and you want them to be a part of what's happening, and you want them to, like, talk and, like, just, you know, and he's. [01:24:30] Speaker D: Does he feel that way, Mickey? Or is this Michelangelo just projected? You know, how great it is for you to hang out with 40 year old men? [01:24:38] Speaker B: I feel like. I feel like we're slowly, like, also presenting Alfred's backstory here. Michelangelo, with me. Yeah. [01:24:48] Speaker A: Martin is one of the great protagonists, unsung heroes of all time. [01:24:54] Speaker C: Rushmore. [01:24:55] Speaker D: You got Martin, you got. [01:24:56] Speaker B: It was a different time period when I was Freddie. [01:25:00] Speaker A: You got Jason. [01:25:05] Speaker B: Yes. No, it was a different time period. And my parents, when we were especially on vacation or something like that, and there were other adults around. Adult time was adult time, and they had no interest in anything. I had interest in, like, talking to them about the Nintendo or anything that I enjoyed in my life would have been, like, falling on deaf ears and being like, okay, get. Go do something else. Yeah, I agree. [01:25:27] Speaker A: Um, do we want to talk about the ending? [01:25:31] Speaker B: Yeah, let's get into it. [01:25:33] Speaker A: Yeah, I just. It really falls apart for. I get. I'm so bored by the ending of this movie, um, unfortunately. But I had a huge laugh when Alfred's sort of, like, in the ruins trying to hide. And it feels like 15 minutes of this, right? It's not, but it feels like such a long time of him creeping around the ruins, trying to hide from something that he thinks is out there. It's not suspenseful to me at all. And then it's like. It feels like 15 minutes goes by and the fucking hand comes out of nowhere and grabs. And it's like all of that was for not. I had a pretty good laugh there. [01:26:14] Speaker D: It's amazing how, uh, how sleek crops he is. His ability to, like, jump out of the canoes and his ability to, like, just jump out of thin air to kill Glazer and, like, jump out of thin air for attacking Alfred there. It's like. It's funny, these moments, this, like, horribly burned victim that's like, you know, a super athlete spy. [01:26:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:42] Speaker D: But I will say this, though. I do really like the score. And Alfred running through the woods. That's a cool shot. I like that a lot. Works for me. [01:26:54] Speaker B: Score is cool. [01:26:55] Speaker D: Score is cool. Like, most of the time. And then there's a few moments I'm like, that's weird. [01:27:00] Speaker B: Like, I don't like. I thought the hero moments in the film were scored. Like, it was, like, never ending story or something, but, like, the other moments felt like cool synth, like, you know, Dario Argento. Like, you know, like, that felt cool. But then, yes, there were moments where I was like, why did I just slip into, you know, never ending story? Which. Who are the people that scored? We've talked about them before on this podcast, Goblin. They do the score for dream, tangering dream. I felt like Goblin was in the good moments, and tangerine dreams slipped in in the happy moments. It was a weird, like. Yeah. Dichotomy of, like, sorts, you know? [01:27:41] Speaker D: This was scored by Rick Wakeman from the band. Yes. The old prog rock band. Really? [01:27:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I looked it up. People turn their heads each day. So. Satisfied I'm on my way. Yeah. Yes is amazing. [01:27:58] Speaker D: Mm hmm. [01:28:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:01] Speaker D: I don't say no to yes. [01:28:03] Speaker B: Oh, well played. [01:28:07] Speaker A: Um, so why, like, how do you feel about the pacing in the barn? [01:28:14] Speaker D: It's weird. Like, say, like the whole, like, cropsy with the little flamethrower gun, and then he turns it off and all the flashback there. That's odd. [01:28:25] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like, why are we having all these flashbacks? And also, it just. It feels to me the last part of the movie is like, okay, we gotta like them. What's the minimum time for a feature length film? Cause that's the kind of have to hit. [01:28:39] Speaker B: Yeah. I also felt like it was one of those things that writers fall into. And we'll say writers. I mean, just filmmakers, period. But they fall into this thing where it's like, okay, we're at, like, the end of this thing. Let's cram in all the stuff to try to make it work right now. Flashbacks, whatever, just to, like, make sure that people get our movie. And I'm like, that kind of exposition and extra added shit really slows it down when it could be very simply done and probably be a better film because of the simpler version of that. Right. It's. [01:29:11] Speaker A: It's, it's. [01:29:12] Speaker B: It's unproven. Filmmakers. Weinstein and even Malum, who at that point, I think, was a rock promotion, like the rock videos and stuff. It's like they hadn't done a feature. [01:29:21] Speaker A: Documentaries. [01:29:23] Speaker B: Okay, well, they hadn't done a feature, you know, horror film. And they're doing this for the first time. And I think they kind of insult you in the end of the film by being like, let's tie up all loose ends and make this, like, a big epic ending. But what they end do is like a bloated, like, why are we sitting through all this? And as far as the flamethrower goes, I have been in the presence of a flamethrower. An axe ain't doing shit against a flamethrower. [01:29:47] Speaker D: Right? [01:29:48] Speaker B: I'm like, man, dead to rights corrupts. He has you. If he has a flamethrower, he can torch you guys in a second. It's like there is just no match. [01:29:57] Speaker D: It's just like, a little too close to home. You think? Like, he's like, turn it on. He's like, gonna use these, like, no, right? [01:30:03] Speaker A: I can't do this. This. [01:30:07] Speaker B: Yeah, crops. He has. He has a. Yeah, he has a crisis of conscience. [01:30:13] Speaker A: And that's a savini killing. Cropsy at the end with the. But it's like, yeah, yeah, it's a good shot. It's a good shot. [01:30:23] Speaker D: And they're like, the gush of, like, blood. [01:30:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:30:26] Speaker D: Like, yeah, yeah, that's cool. [01:30:31] Speaker A: He gets better and better at that type of kill. [01:30:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:34] Speaker A: Oh. [01:30:34] Speaker B: But his special effects are. Are just so. They're so. What's the word I'm looking for? Granular. It's like. It feels like something you can touch. It feels like, you know, it's like there's something about Tom Savini. He's able to do a splatter kill, an axe to the head that even when it's maybe not the most eloquent or high budget thing, he knows how to make it look and feel right for the film. And all that stuff is batting above its weight in this film. Right. It's like he's doing more than what the budget should allow. [01:31:16] Speaker D: The touch. The feel of Tom Savini special effects. It's the fabric of my adolescence. [01:31:23] Speaker B: Yeah, the touch. [01:31:24] Speaker A: Well put. [01:31:25] Speaker B: Wow, that was beautiful. [01:31:28] Speaker A: That's beautiful. [01:31:31] Speaker D: Thank you. [01:31:31] Speaker A: Original, I gotta say, the violence in this, though, feels mean. [01:31:44] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. There's, like, a gnarly stair. [01:31:47] Speaker A: It's not kind of like the. Kind of the fun you get with the Friday the 13th movies, where it's a little more fun. This feels like, kind of. Did you ever see. I think it's called super. [01:32:00] Speaker D: You want the fun murder, not the real murder. [01:32:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:32:04] Speaker A: Super is incredible with Rand Wilson. [01:32:06] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. [01:32:07] Speaker A: It's. [01:32:08] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:32:09] Speaker B: Early James Gunn. Super is great. I love super. [01:32:11] Speaker A: It's great film, but the violence in that movie is, like, unsettling. It's not fun. You think once in the action. Yeah, yeah, I know. That's intentional in that film. It's a great film. [01:32:23] Speaker B: Like, highly recommend for people to watch. [01:32:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I highly recommend it to Elliot Page is great in it. [01:32:29] Speaker B: Yeah, she's so he's so taken. So good. [01:32:31] Speaker A: Kevin Bacon little tie, Friday 13th tie in there. [01:32:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Also, what's his maniac? Not maniac. Is it killer? What's the. [01:32:44] Speaker A: I don't know who you're talking about. [01:32:45] Speaker B: Constant collaborator with James Gunn, the actor who's in that. That crazy movie where he's. Where he's a serial killer. [01:32:59] Speaker A: I don't know. [01:33:00] Speaker B: No worries. [01:33:01] Speaker A: Okay. [01:33:01] Speaker B: He's great in that film. He's great in super. [01:33:05] Speaker A: But, yeah, the violence in this is, like, not fun. It's like it. It's. It's. It gets a little. It gets a little more fun. Friday the 13th towards the end, but especially all the early stuff for, like, with the. With the sex worker, and it's just, like, really unsettling. [01:33:21] Speaker D: Mm hmm. [01:33:22] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [01:33:23] Speaker D: Yeah. I mean, I think that was. I think that's intentional. I mean. Yeah, I think that's what they were going for. I don't think that, you know, I think to an extent, this was a bit. I think what you're speaking to, it's a little bit. Michael Rukh. [01:33:44] Speaker B: Sorry. [01:33:45] Speaker D: Michael Rucker. Yeah. [01:33:49] Speaker B: And what. [01:33:50] Speaker D: Henry? [01:33:52] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes. [01:33:54] Speaker A: Sorry, guys. [01:33:55] Speaker D: No, you're good. I'm glad you read that. I think it was before, though. I mean, like, I think whenever you're talking about, like, the fun violence, if you will, from, like, Friday the 13th films, that comes later. [01:34:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:34:06] Speaker B: First film is violent and kind of cruel, too. An arrow through the neck is not. [01:34:12] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:34:12] Speaker B: Playful. [01:34:13] Speaker D: Same vibe. The arrow in the neck is kind of similar to me to, like, the, like, the shears in the throat that, uh, Eddie gets, like, that type of thing. Like, there's some of those moments that. [01:34:21] Speaker A: The arrow in throat is like. It's effective and it's really good, but it's. It doesn't seem, like, unsettling to me for some reason. There's something about the violence in this that's, like, really unsettling where, like, the. A lot of the violence in the first f 13 is kind of, like, cartoony comic book fun. Almost just the person that. [01:34:44] Speaker B: I agree with that, but that's okay. [01:34:51] Speaker D: No, there's a right answer and a wrong. [01:34:53] Speaker A: Right answer to wrong answer. Right. Cropsy. [01:34:57] Speaker C: You know it. Jesus, you guys are really speaking my language here. You're saying I was doing work? I was an artist. [01:35:08] Speaker B: Yes. [01:35:08] Speaker A: Before. Okay. Um, so we brought this up way earlier, but, like, so there is. You have conflicting stories about Friday the 13th and this, like, well, this was actually written before f 13, and then f turned 13, had a faster turnaround. Time. And then this came out and Savini obviously worked on the first Friday the 13th, turned down the second one because he's like fucking Jason's was, he's dead stupid. And only an idiot would go see the second one. Yeah, second one's great. So he took this and he took prowler. [01:35:51] Speaker D: Mm hmm. [01:35:52] Speaker A: And I think, did he do Mad men? We'll find out. [01:35:56] Speaker D: Mad Men. [01:35:57] Speaker A: Matt, Mad Men. [01:35:59] Speaker B: Yeah. The, the tv series Madman. [01:36:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:36:01] Speaker D: I don't know that one. [01:36:04] Speaker A: We'll talk about later. But yeah, so it's like you have some like, I don't know. It sounds like it could be true, but it also could be bullet B's. Like, oh, you. We actually had the idea to rip off Halloween first, you know? Yeah. Okay, listen to our Friday the 13th episodes. We have multiple Friday 13th episodes where we go into Friday the 13th. [01:36:31] Speaker B: But does it matter who rips off something first? No, no, that's, that's kind of my thing too. [01:36:36] Speaker A: It's like it was the first, the. [01:36:41] Speaker B: First one to take another idea that was, you know, really like considered a classic and redid it. 1st. [01:36:48] Speaker D: 1St copy of a copy looks better than the fourth copy of a copy. So thus it's the same with this argument. [01:36:54] Speaker B: Got it, got you. [01:37:00] Speaker D: Yeah. Did you come across, I guess I'm confused a bit on the, like, was it, the screenplay for this was out there and was also used then at one point for Friday the 13th part two. Like that was in the inner mix. That's something I'm confused by. I've read some different things that I'm a little not 100% sure, and I. [01:37:23] Speaker B: Wasn'T sure this script is going to be the basis of f 13 part two. [01:37:28] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:37:30] Speaker B: I didn't take any, I read it on like an IMDb, like trivia thing or something. I didn't really take a lot of credence to it, but, but this definitely that they were circling in the same world. [01:37:40] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. [01:37:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:37:45] Speaker B: From what I know of Weinstein, there's a good chance that he's ripped all this off of other people and then spread a bunch of lies and rumors about it to make it seem like it was better than what it actually was. [01:38:01] Speaker A: It was like a mad dash right here at the beginning of the eighties to try to like, capitalize on some of these really cool things that were happening in the late seventies in horror. [01:38:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:10] Speaker A: You know, so, and God bless them. [01:38:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:38:13] Speaker A: It was like they really, really made some like fantastic fun movies. [01:38:20] Speaker B: And the one thing I'll say to the credit of producers that I'm not gonna say to the credit of, but. But I will say that there. There is a chance to know who the cool kids are and then hiring the cool kids to do the cool kid thing. And he recognized Tom Savini as one of the cool kids doing the cool kid thing and let him do his thing. And it worked in this movie. So, yeah, cool. [01:38:47] Speaker A: I will say if you watch the documentary with Jack shoulder, who edited this and directed nightmare two, he's like, you know, I really didn't like the bernie. I didn't think it was that. That, like, you know, I. [01:39:04] Speaker B: Every film he did. [01:39:06] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, not. Not my. Not my personal taste, but, you know, Harvey. And this is obviously before all the allegations and everything else was recorded many years ago. He's like, Harvey, I like them. [01:39:19] Speaker B: Seems like my kind of people. [01:39:20] Speaker A: All the stories you've heard about him are true. He's exactly who you think he is. He has his own way of being, but, like, I like him. [01:39:28] Speaker B: Thank you. Finally, somebody agrees with Kwabzi hobby Weinstein. Good man. [01:39:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:39:34] Speaker B: Gets. Gets it, gets it. [01:39:37] Speaker A: Okay, Matt Cropsy, you keep sounding a little different and, like, you go kind of water boy esque, and then you. [01:39:44] Speaker D: Go back on that one. I felt like. [01:39:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for your input. Cropsy, enough out of you blue, please. [01:39:51] Speaker A: Okay, Alfred, do you have anything to say before we finish up? [01:39:58] Speaker D: Hi. Hi. [01:39:59] Speaker A: Okay, never mind. [01:40:01] Speaker B: Thanks, Alfred, we got. Yeah, thank you. That's enough buddies too, buddy. Yeah, come on. [01:40:04] Speaker A: You're not welcome here, man. Cropsy, you're cool. Alfred, you're gone. [01:40:12] Speaker C: Thank you, guys. I appreciate it. [01:40:15] Speaker A: Okay, thanks, Cropsy. Okay, is there anything else we want to bring up and talk about before we get to recommendations, guys? [01:40:30] Speaker B: No, I don't think so. [01:40:36] Speaker A: We talked all we could about 1980 ones. The burning. [01:40:45] Speaker D: We said it all. We did it. [01:40:47] Speaker A: So, Chris. [01:40:49] Speaker D: Yes. [01:40:50] Speaker A: Who are you going to recommend this movie to? [01:40:52] Speaker D: Okay, I would recommend this. I mean, definitely it fits within the ideology of the series. Right? You like Friday the 13th films. You are someone who likes the summer slashers, but maybe you've seen, you know, a handful, all the Friday thirteenths. You want something new, something different. This film is perfect for you. Also, I'm going to recommend this film for, you know, in the vein of, I think, the current world of Marvel movies. Like, you need to know the origin stories of everyone. Well, if you need to know the origin stories of George Costanza, this is. He's sent to summer camp. He has this traumatic experience. He becomes very unsure of himself. [01:41:36] Speaker A: His hair falls out. [01:41:37] Speaker D: His hair falls out. This is the origin story of George Costanza. [01:41:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:41:42] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:41:43] Speaker B: Takes an internship with the Yankees. Yeah. [01:41:45] Speaker D: Yeah. Yep, yep. Yeah. He keeps on talking about, you know, his slugger, his, you know, for Woodstock, it was just, he was, he was planting those seeds for the man that he would become one day. [01:42:00] Speaker A: The original Jerry Seinfeld. [01:42:02] Speaker D: The original Jerry Seinfeld. [01:42:05] Speaker B: It's also the origin story of fisher Stevens character in short circuit. [01:42:11] Speaker D: He murdered. He's reincarnated as an indian. [01:42:16] Speaker B: He moves to the city. Don't. [01:42:18] Speaker A: Brown face listener. This is all Mickey. [01:42:22] Speaker B: Who is a brown man. Who's a brown man. I want to make it very clear. I'm poking fun of that film, not, not honoring it in any way. But as a kid, I did love that film. [01:42:34] Speaker D: Oh, hell, yeah. [01:42:35] Speaker B: The second one was Michael McKeen live. [01:42:38] Speaker A: Alive Mickey, not racist. [01:42:44] Speaker B: Speaking of Steve Gutenberg, were they not trying to ship Brian Backer as the next Steve Gutenberg in the eighties? Were they not, like, building him up to be the next Steve Gutenberg? I truly believe that. Who's where his, that's where he's headed. [01:42:58] Speaker A: Brian Balfour. Oh, okay. [01:43:00] Speaker B: If you look at his run of. [01:43:01] Speaker A: Movies, he was in police academy. [01:43:04] Speaker D: Yeah, that's right. [01:43:05] Speaker A: David Spade. I only hawk plays either David Spade or him. And the skateboarding doubles. [01:43:13] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah. Yep. And, and Brian Backer, they were trying to make him, like, the nerdy but kind of cool, like, like slyly sexy guy in police academy four. And I just think they were trying to build a certain, you know, thing around him. And the Gutenberg effect, which we can talk about the Gutenberg effect at a later date. [01:43:32] Speaker A: That's another. So, Mickey, who you recommend this to? [01:43:37] Speaker B: So I, my recommendation, this is a unique one for me. I'm going to recommend this to older, older teens or people in there. [01:43:54] Speaker A: Older teens. It's like Jumbo Shrimp or something. Older teens is into it. [01:44:02] Speaker B: Or men in their early twenties that like slasher films and can understand how ridiculous the men in this film are. I would totally steer clear any young, like, influential kids from this film because I do feel like you can take the wrong things from the men in this film. I actually watched. It was like, ugh. I was like, I am glad that I came to this film later in life. So, but it, as far as, like, the slasher lexicon of, like, summer camp movies, it's, it's up there in the top ten, so you should see it if you like that genre. But I do think it's something that you should see if you've already lived a little bit of life and know how the relationship between men and women should be and not look at this as. Yeah, so. So people have had a little bit of life. You can. You can appreciate this without, like, you. [01:44:51] Speaker A: Have a little bit of life lived. [01:44:54] Speaker B: I mean, when I say older teens, I mean, like, 18 year old who's like, you know, had a girlfriend and seemed like, you can't be that way. [01:45:02] Speaker A: Right. [01:45:02] Speaker B: You know, it's like, yeah. [01:45:03] Speaker A: Just. [01:45:04] Speaker B: You need to have some age to, I think, fully appreciate this film. [01:45:08] Speaker A: 18 year olds who have had a girlfriend. Hey, you 18? Yes, a girlfriend. Okay. I got a movie. [01:45:16] Speaker B: Watch this film. Watch this film. No. Yeah, thanks for construing what I was saying. You dig? [01:45:25] Speaker A: That's what we do on the podcast. That's the fun of it. What'd you say? Let me manipulate it into some fucking bullshit. Make you look like an asshole, like f 13. [01:45:35] Speaker B: You got a girlfriend. This is the film for you. Um, yeah, I'm gonna stop there. You know what I was saying, audience? I don't need to do exposition dumps like this movie does. You know what I'm saying? If you don't chime in on our instagram. [01:45:51] Speaker D: Are you. [01:45:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, the return slider for underscott pod. Underscore pod. [01:45:58] Speaker A: Under Scott. Under Scott. [01:46:00] Speaker D: Under Scott. [01:46:02] Speaker A: Okay, we're going off the rails here. Who do I recommend it to? Thank you for asking. I. You know, this. I. This was one of those movies that, like, what was it? Ten years ago? It was starting to get its due right in the people. [01:46:21] Speaker B: Understood. Finally, the world grew up with a movie. [01:46:26] Speaker A: I like all the different cropsies. I think we have three different cropsies. [01:46:30] Speaker C: We do. [01:46:30] Speaker A: Come down here. I like this. Cropsy's very cute. [01:46:37] Speaker D: Very muppet like. [01:46:42] Speaker A: But this, along with, like, my bloody valentine and, you know, there's. There's some films that are like, hey, check these out. But, you know, if you've. If you're. You want something like Friday the 13th, but, like, you don't want Friday the 13th. You've seen them a million times. This is definitely, like, a must watch movie, despite, like, I don't think it's brilliant. I really like it. I don't think it's brilliant. It's got a lot of problems. It's got. But it has an amazing cast. It's very authentic. Looking to what? Like, if you're looking. If you want that upstate New York camp 1980s aesthetic, this movie captures it perfectly with, like, a very talented cast that would go on to do wonderful things. I think it's a perfect movie to watch. Like, Mickey, I know you do this a lot. You get together with your neighbors, you get a, like a little fire going, and you put a little movie on outside. This is a fucking fun movie to do that, although I know a lot of your friends are very liberal, so I would be curious to see what this watch would be like with them. Yeah. Or, you know, I also think this is a fucking great, like. Like, mute it, put it on in the background. If you're at a. Like, at a bar, if you work at a bar, put the sun in the background. Or if you're having a party, I think this is a great background movie. You're like, what the fuck is going on here? Who's that? Costanza with hair? What's going on? But, you know, it's. It's. It's. It's. It's eye catching and interesting in that way. [01:48:14] Speaker B: I. I will also add to what you were just saying. There, uh. [01:48:17] Speaker A: There. [01:48:17] Speaker B: There are two things I didn't mention in this film that I thought is worth mentioning. The film stock in which they shot it in is actually. It holds up pretty well. [01:48:25] Speaker A: It's. It's. [01:48:26] Speaker B: There's a. There. It looks pretty nice. I mean, the day for night stuff is obvious, but the film looks pretty good, you know, compared to its budget. And, um. And the other thing I was going to say was that, um. Uh, not. Not just the look of it being good, but, um, it is a situation in which you can go back and really, really enjoy a really well casted film, which is wild to think about. This film has that many great actors in it. [01:48:52] Speaker D: Yeah, a lot of young talent. [01:48:54] Speaker A: That's the benefit you get, right. With a lot of these films that were shot around New York is that you end up with a lot of these, like, New York, like this new talent pool in New York, which at that time was, like, where it was happening, you know? So, yeah, that. That does it for the burning. God bless you, Tom Savini. We love you. You're the best. Mickey, your neighbors with him? [01:49:26] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Pittsburgh native Tom Savini. Shout out to the Tom Zavini school of special effects makeup. Definitely check that out. That's over here in Pittsburgh. So. [01:49:37] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So, Chris, thank you so much for guesting this evening. Really appreciate you having here. Cropsy, wherever you are, thank you so much for dropping in tonight. [01:49:53] Speaker C: Appreciate it. I'll be seeing you guys later. [01:49:56] Speaker A: Okay? [01:49:58] Speaker C: Right. [01:49:58] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. We'll meet you outside. Go out there and wait for us. We'll be out there in a little bit. [01:50:12] Speaker A: No, upstairs. [01:50:13] Speaker B: Upstairs? Yep. [01:50:15] Speaker C: I'll just wait till you're done, and then we'll walk out together. [01:50:18] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. At least. Albert. Alfred's not here. Um, uh, no, thank you to Alfred. No, you're not. We don't want. [01:50:26] Speaker B: Alfred, stop. [01:50:27] Speaker A: Get out of here. No, thank you. No, thank you. No, thank you. God, he creeps me out. So, uh, thank you to Molly, thank you to Allie. Uh, thank you to our friends that were working with on some other projects that we'll probably insert here. Um, and, uh, thank you, listener, most of all. Thank you, listeners. You're the best. We love you. [01:50:51] Speaker B: Like us. Share us. Subscribe to the Channel everywhere we are across the metaverse. I don't know. Is that the right thing to say? I should say no across social media. Just subscribe and like us and share us with all your friends. 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