Madman (1981)

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Welcome, listener, to the return slot of horror. Of horror. [00:00:17] Speaker B: I don't expect. Is that going for something that I'm not getting? [00:00:22] Speaker A: Well, no. Like, it's like an expectation now that he's always gonna do something there, and sometimes I just don't. [00:00:27] Speaker C: That's pretty basic. I had another idea, but I just backed out last minute, and I was like, I just. I'm gonna do it in the. In the vein of that. I'm just gonna do our uphor. [00:00:41] Speaker A: I love it. This is a podcast recorded by myself, michelangelo, and Mickey in the basement of our video store. After hours, when the doors are locked, the vhs are rewound, and the moon is glowing pale blue on a brisk and breezy night, we like to hang out in the basement, light a scented candle, crack open a drink, and discuss our beloved genre, horror. Every episode, we invite you to join us for a frosty libation as we discuss a film selected from one of our painstakingly curated subsections of the video store. Mickey, can you elaborate on that, please? [00:01:18] Speaker C: Yeah. Back in the day, before they were streaming, even before Blockbuster, there were independent video stores. And to appease the appetites of movie nerds like myself and Michelangelo, they would fill their shelves with anything they can get their hands on, especially video nasties. These mom and pop shops were responsible for taking the horror genre from limited theater runs and late night drive ins to every town in America, like the small towns that I grew up in. But what really made these video stores special were the people working in the store, curating personalized sections based on their interests and the interests of their patrons. Recommendations based on conversations, not algorithms. So here at the return slot, we keep that spirit alive and strong. We hope you enjoy perusing our sections and joining in our conversations. [00:02:03] Speaker A: Now, I'm going to warn the listener. This is a hangout drink and talk about horror movies. Podcast. It's a podcast as much about us as it is about the horror films that we love so much that we'll be talking about. Oh, yes. Now, before we get to tonight's movie, we have a special guest, a refrigerator door destroyer. Chris. [00:02:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Thank you for having me. [00:02:37] Speaker A: I like the look in your eyes. It's a little scary, but I'm also slightly aroused. [00:02:43] Speaker B: What you're talking about, Fred. Come closer. [00:02:53] Speaker A: Chris, thanks for joining us again this evening in the basement. We always appreciate and love having you here. Now, before we get to tonight's film, what are we having to drink this evening, gentlemen? Mickey, what is that? What is that? [00:03:11] Speaker C: I say, yeah, I was gonna do, like a classy, just like stiff pour a bourbon. But I decided at the last minute to change it out and go with this new brew dog. Lucky break single hop ipa. The little tagline on it is fortune favors the brave. [00:03:29] Speaker B: Yeah, but the brave beer drinker, I don't really. Fortune favors brave. [00:03:34] Speaker C: Yeah, the brave beer drinker. Yeah, I'm a brave beer drinker. [00:03:37] Speaker B: You're a brave beer drinker? Yeah, stolen valor. I'm a stolen valor beer, not a stolen. [00:03:44] Speaker A: This is real brave right here, man. [00:03:46] Speaker C: The real deal. [00:03:48] Speaker A: Definitely stole and valor with Mickey. [00:03:51] Speaker B: I wear a uniform, and then I pick up Miller light while no one's looking. [00:03:55] Speaker C: Whoa. I don't drink Miller light. Just for everybody out there. I have a heightened palate. Okay, Chris? [00:04:08] Speaker A: I have a heightened palate. Molly, voice of the future podcast. [00:04:15] Speaker C: This is when my little character needs to jump up and be like, yeah, he's got a cold beer in his hand. All right, Chris, are we doing a cocktail tonight? [00:04:23] Speaker B: We are, my friend. I call this madman Mars familicide. Quencher. Familicide. What are you doing after your part of your family? No, this is a drink for a man who needs to quench a working man's drink. He's, uh, he's, he's worked a hard day. He's had to put his family down. He goes to the local bar, and he gets himself, uh, this little, uh, combination of, uh, an ounce of bourbon, some key lime juice, and a, uh, belgian style single ale. This one is from more brewing company out of huntley, Illinois. [00:05:05] Speaker A: Belgian style. That sounds like a strong drink, Chris. [00:05:09] Speaker B: Don't know what you're talking about, friend. Let's see how this night goes closer. [00:05:14] Speaker A: He's going to get grabby tonight. I am having an honor of our hero of the film, Madman Mars. [00:05:29] Speaker B: No, of course. [00:05:32] Speaker A: He has a heightened sense of smell, um, because, you know, it got bit off. So it's just straight to the brain. It goes, I'm having a wine. I'm having a glass of natural orange wine. I don't know if you guys are familiar with orange wines, but they're kind of new for me. But basically an orange wine means it's like kind of orange in color. [00:06:00] Speaker B: It's a three parts white wine, one part orange paint, right? [00:06:04] Speaker A: Yep. Really, really gets you all, but, you know. Yeah, no, it's just, it's like a natural fermentation process. And like, it, instead of being, like, white, it'll kind of be orange in color. This has a little funk on it. Kind of like our guy and it's just a nice, summery, fruity, kind of funky drink. And then a large mason jar filled with some orange slices and natural spring water. [00:06:35] Speaker B: No cinnamon sticks. [00:06:37] Speaker A: No cinnamon sticks. [00:06:38] Speaker B: This intervention worked for you. [00:06:42] Speaker A: Was concerned that I was consuming way too much. Although I do have my jar here. I don't know if you can hear that. I have my jar of cinnamon sticks. I'll be chewing on that at some point. [00:06:53] Speaker C: Our audience loves that. They really appreciate it. [00:06:56] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Yeah, asmr. You know. [00:06:58] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:06:59] Speaker A: People love it. [00:07:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Little bonus. [00:07:02] Speaker A: Hold on. I gotta light this, uh, gotta light this candle. Okay, here we go. Okay. Okay, now get ready. [00:07:10] Speaker C: All right. [00:07:12] Speaker A: It all started during a podcast recording after the closing of a video rental store in the basement, a special respite for gifted video clerks. Okay, now let's. Okay, everyone, let's. Let's undress. Slowly. Slowly, everyone. Let's take off our clothes. Okay. [00:07:34] Speaker B: All right. [00:07:35] Speaker A: All right. Okay, we're going to circle each other now. We're going to circle each other in concentric circles, and we're going to give each other suggestive smiles and come hither stairs. Yeah, that's good. That's good. And now, do you guys smell that? What does that smell? I think it's the smell of death. Okay, can you hear me? Can you still hear me? [00:08:00] Speaker C: Yeah, we still go. [00:08:01] Speaker A: Okay, we're talking about 1980 one's madman Mars. But, I mean, it's just called Madman. [00:08:14] Speaker B: Yeah, you fucked up, bro. [00:08:19] Speaker A: Okay, I think that was the best, the best one so far. [00:08:23] Speaker C: I thought you were gonna do, like, the whole singing version of telling a ghost story. [00:08:27] Speaker B: Beware the madman. [00:08:32] Speaker A: Save that. Like, I. We're talking about 1980 one's madman, not. [00:08:40] Speaker C: To be confused with the series Mad Men. [00:08:44] Speaker B: Not confused with the cultural icon of Madman. I mean, the greatest person that I've ever seen before. Please go on. [00:08:58] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the movie we're talking about. Now, this was my pick for the not of Voorhees camp. Not a Voorhees section of the video store. Go back and listen to our previous two episodes from our camp. Not a Voorhees episode, if you're listening to this one. And why? Why, oh, why did I pick this movie, and what is my relationship to it? And we're going to get to you guys as well, what your history and relationship is with it. But I had never. I've never heard of this until recently, and this is my first time. I think it's all of our first time seeing it. Yep. I do remember the VHS cover in the horror section of my local video store. Kid of the video store, though, as a kid. And I think. I think it's possible that this is the most actual cult movie we've ever done. We've discussed this on the podcast, where it's like, sometimes these films are so ridiculously successful, not only in the box office when they came out, but they're so well known that their status as cult seems odd. But I kind of feel like this is truly cult, because, like, I really didn't know anything about it other than its cover for forever. And I chose this because while doing research for the burning, which we did an episode on, there was a. These. This was like in a neck race with the burning. And in fact, they changed story elements order to not be exactly like the burning. And they're both based off of the cropsy legend, and that comes from Staten Island, New York. Now, I did get a lot of information from the 2015 vinegar syndrome blue layer Blue Blu ray release. There's a lot of cool special features on there, and one of them is the legend still lives 30 years of Madman. It's a documentary by Chainsaw Kiss and Camp nightmare productions that was on that release. It's restored from its original negative, and it's pretty damn good. They also had a re release in 2022. Vinegar syndrome can also get it on Arrow films. There's some shitty anchor Bay versions from 2001, but. [00:11:28] Speaker B: Yeah, you, Anchor Bay. [00:11:30] Speaker A: Fuck you, Anchor Bay. And then there was a code red in 2010, although it wasn't a very good transfer. So this. This got some love. I believe around 2009 is when this is really kind of came into the zeitgeist. And I think a lot of that probably had to do with Tarantino. Okay. Yeah. So that's sort of my experience with it. And I watched it with Joe Bob. So a lot of my research also comes from watching the last drive in with Joe Bob Briggs. He was a champion of this movie back in the day as well. So that's sort of my history with it, and that's why I picked it. It's. It's funny. I picked, uh, I wanted to do behind the mask, the rise of Leslie Vernon. But we. We, uh. I asked you guys to pick camp horror films, and there's no camp in that movie. Gotcha. And it was like, I didn't get to talk about the movie. I wanted to talk about, uh, uh. But I love. I love that we discovered camp, not of voorhees. Um, and I love the movies that we've been talking about. And I. I had a great time watching this. I think it has great ambiance. It's got pretty blue moonlight in it. It's got lots of crunchy foliage. It's got candles and firelight. It's got an abandoned haunted house. It's got camp. It's got cobwebs. It's got a scary monster man attached to a local legend. I just want to live in this movie a little bit. I'm a sucker for, like, upstate. Although this isn't upstate New York. This is like. Yeah, like, Hamptons East Hamptons. Is that South Hamptons east? East end of Long Island? [00:13:31] Speaker B: I was going to say. I read it was filmed in Staten island. [00:13:34] Speaker A: No, no, no. So they wanted to shoot an upstate, but it was so cold upstate already that they ended up shooting at a place, a conference center called Fish Cove Inn, North Sea harbor in the town of Southampton. But it is populated with Staten island actors, and it features a Staten island legend. So it's, like, would make sense that you would think that maybe this was shot in Staten island, but no. And it's. I do want to get into the time of year that it was shot in, which is a little odd. Um. Uh, but that was sort of like. Like, you know, I'm also. I love the bright red blood. It's very dawn of the dead. Sort of like that blood from this time period. And, uh, all the blue and purple gels they used while filming this. Um, I enjoyed myself watching this. What was, uh, what was your guys's experience watching this? I'm assuming you. Everyone's. The first time, right? We're all. We're all newcomers to this, yes. So, Chris, please tell me it was a treat. [00:14:41] Speaker B: It was a blast. First time watching it. Yeah, no, it was a joy. I thought that there's a lot of stuff about it that I think it works and it doesn't work, but, I mean, I had a fun time watching it. Like, a lot of the acting's pretty bad, but I still, like, you know, and the idea of it, I think it's kind of pretty thin, but it's still an enjoyable watch. And I thought it was fun to the transfer. The version that I watched that was on one of the, like, free streamers. I can't remember which one now. Like, it had some pretty, like, like, you could see, like, lines and some of the color contrast. Yeah. I don't know if you guys all had that experience or not, but specifically. [00:15:32] Speaker A: With the billy's face. [00:15:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:34] Speaker A: Scene where it's just on his face. And then later on in the office, on his face again, and then on Betsy's face a little bit, but just. Just those two sections. But I thought that outside of that, like, it held up the transfer they made. But it's odd. I wonder what. What caused that. [00:15:53] Speaker B: Yeah, same. I don't know, but, yeah, it was a treat. I'll get into it more later. Mickey. [00:16:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I, um. There are things I like about it. Um, I think as a whole, the film didn't really, like, hold up a lot for me. Um, I certainly enjoyed it. It's a. It would be a fun one to watch with a group of friends, as many of these are. It's somehow in this series that we're doing. Of the three films, this is both the most mature and the most childlike, which I thought was interesting. [00:16:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:27] Speaker C: It bounced. [00:16:29] Speaker A: Least sleazy, right? [00:16:30] Speaker C: Oh, for sure. [00:16:31] Speaker A: That's why the most mature, like, soft core porn jacuzzi scene, it still manages to be less sleazy than the burning and sleepaway camp, right? [00:16:40] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. [00:16:41] Speaker C: But. But, but again, also had the most childlike, um. I don't know if it's a innocence about it, but just, like, silliness, campiness, uh, and, you know, I mean, it was fun. It's. We'll get, you know, obviously to recommendations and whatnot, but. But there were. There were some times where I felt a little. A little slow and a little out of it. I think it would have really picked up a lot better for me had I been in a group of people watching it together. But shout out to Galen. Ross was so happy to see her. I think this is the third. [00:17:12] Speaker A: Alexis Dubin. [00:17:14] Speaker C: Alexis Dubin, yes, but I think this is the third film we're doing of her. Is that right there? [00:17:20] Speaker A: She only did three. [00:17:21] Speaker C: I know. [00:17:21] Speaker A: And this is all three. Creep show. She's got a small part in creep show, and then dawn of the dead, of course. [00:17:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:27] Speaker A: Which we've actually. I don't think we've covered dawn of the dead. [00:17:30] Speaker C: I think we just bring it up a lot. [00:17:32] Speaker A: We bring it up a lot. [00:17:33] Speaker C: It circles us a lot. [00:17:34] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we do have a. An episode recorded that was never released of night of the Living Dead, but at some point, I do want to do all those, um. [00:17:46] Speaker C: Oh, of course. Yeah. Yeah. So. So it was. It was good to see her, you know? Yeah. [00:17:52] Speaker A: She. [00:17:53] Speaker C: I really like her. [00:17:57] Speaker A: She looks amazing in this movie. [00:17:59] Speaker C: I agree. She's like a mixture of Karen Allen and Courtney love. [00:18:05] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah. [00:18:09] Speaker B: I like her because she shoots someone in the face with a shotgun like Courtney did to hurt. [00:18:17] Speaker A: Brutal, dude. That was brutal. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ, man. [00:18:28] Speaker C: Have we no boundaries? Are there no lines that we will not cross? [00:18:32] Speaker A: Locked in? That was truly, truly an expression of Christmas soul right there. That's his sense of humor in a nutshell. Ross has refused for many years to be interviewed about this movie. For some reason, she went under an alias, either because she was ashamed to be a part of it or because she was working non. She was. It was a non union job, and I think she was union at the time. [00:19:06] Speaker C: Okay. [00:19:06] Speaker A: Although on the vinegar syndrome Blue K. Blue K 4K Blu ray release, there is a special feature entitled I'm not a screamer, which is an interview with Ross about. About this. So buy some physical media, and you get to hear her talk about it. Paul Ellers, who plays Mad Men Mars, was an artist they had hired to work on the one sheet or the poster that they didn't end up using for this film, and he ended up playing the. I jokingly said the hero. He ends up playing mad. Mad Mars and his poster for the film, which is essentially the aesthetic of the opening and closing credits with the red sky and the black silhouette thing. Like, his. His poster is that essentially. It says, matt, it's. It's pretty cool. I. I kind of like the simplicity of it and prefer it over the iconic poster they used for this by artist Nathan Thomas Milliner and then Paul Ellers. He has a MySpace page, which. [00:20:18] Speaker C: Really? [00:20:19] Speaker A: Yeah. And I gotta tell you, I think maybe we should set up a MySpace. I think that might be a good idea. [00:20:25] Speaker C: I do know that it definitely falls within your wheelhouse. It's like. Yeah, we say we want to, like, grow our audience and get new people. So. So Michelangelo says, let's get in my space and let's watch madman. There's no better way to get everybody talking. [00:20:39] Speaker B: I like it the most. [00:20:41] Speaker A: I forget what I'm talking about. [00:20:44] Speaker B: You send us $1, and we'll send you a typewritten out zine about the podcast. [00:20:50] Speaker A: Awesome. [00:20:51] Speaker B: It actually does sound awesome. [00:20:53] Speaker A: That sounds like a. Like something I'd want to be involved in. And I gotta tell you, you know what? You never hear, you never hear about toxic social media stuff on MySpace. So I'm wondering if it's, like, actually, like, a really awesome, like, like, place to be. I don't know. I don't know. [00:21:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:11] Speaker B: Don't you never hear about it? So it's not a thing, you know, you can't be toxic if there's no one there. [00:21:18] Speaker C: Nobody there. [00:21:21] Speaker A: I was just on the website today. There was a bunch of stuff going on. Like, it was very, like, it was a little confusing to me. It might be too much for me. So, Chris, you're gonna have to handle that. All right, I'll get on up our MySpace. I'll never go to it, but just tell me that it's happening. [00:21:37] Speaker B: Uh huh. [00:21:38] Speaker A: Um, uh, and then, uh, the last little, like, uh, two, two little interesting things here. Um, uh, uh, like I said, it was basically completely ignored when it came out, especially by like, fangoria and other horror magazines. Um, I guess it just got lost in the shuffle of things. Although it did well with its New York release. And, God, I'm really. Suck it. [00:22:08] Speaker B: I just saw this actually. $350,000 budget, 1.3 box office. Not bad for shoestring. [00:22:17] Speaker A: I mean, this is essentially, and I think when you watch this, you have to grade it this way. When we did murder party, this came up where it's like, this is basically a student film. These are like, not, I don't even think they were graduates at the time. They may have been graduates, graduates of the Staten Island University, Richmond. But, like, I think that's, you got to grade this on a curve because of that. And I think it's pretty solid until a certain point. And we're going to, when we get to there, I want to talk about it because that's where it kind of falls apart a little bit for me. But I do love this movie. And they had the option of actually allegedly getting Vincent Price to do this movie. And Vincent prices, quote, at the time was like 1200. Like, Vincent Price apparently would do your movie for 1200 bucks. You can get him for 1200 bucks. [00:23:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:12] Speaker B: And like, the trivia for each one of these films that we do, I feel like, I feel like every one of the films we do. [00:23:17] Speaker C: Price was on. [00:23:18] Speaker B: The surprise was thinking about it. [00:23:28] Speaker A: But apparently if they had had 1200 extra bucks in their budget, they could have, which would be like $3,700 now. They could have cast him in the part of Max. And Vincent Price was 72 years old at the time that this was made. About 72 years old. Really? [00:23:47] Speaker B: He was eighties. I thought he was younger. I didn't realize he was that old in the early eighties. Now that's. [00:23:54] Speaker C: I like the casting of Max. [00:23:56] Speaker B: Same. I think it works. Okay. [00:23:58] Speaker A: This guy, what's his name? Richard? Robert? Richard George. No, that's hilarious. Frederick Newman. Frederick Newman. He looks like Roger Ripper. Richard George from american movie. Chris, you know what I'm talking about. He's like the old. It's like his dad. Yeah, but the guy who plays Max, Karl Fredericks, was tight with the avant garde theater scene and very good friends with Godot. So he, like, worked in, like, France a lot with Godot. Like, with him a lot. Like, he's like. Like an iconic theater, legendary. [00:24:48] Speaker C: Hmm. [00:24:48] Speaker A: He has a good voice and he has some gravitas. [00:24:51] Speaker C: Madman. Madman Mars. [00:24:58] Speaker A: Keep going. Give me some more options. [00:25:00] Speaker C: Madman Mars. [00:25:02] Speaker B: Madman Mars. Oh, I like that one. [00:25:06] Speaker A: That's a good one. I love the sort of, like, cartoony, very kind of basic carpenter esque ripoff music where it sounds like a guy plucking away on a synthesizer. [00:25:20] Speaker C: Sure. [00:25:20] Speaker A: Not. Not the most complicated, complex piece of sophisticated music I've ever heard, but, hey, man, better than I could do. [00:25:29] Speaker B: Well, you know about the person who did the score for this film and that, right? [00:25:35] Speaker A: Call us, tell us. [00:25:36] Speaker B: Steve Horlick, along with the sport. [00:25:41] Speaker A: Gary. Gary. [00:25:43] Speaker B: Gary Sales, who was a writer on it, too, and I'm assuming probably did everything. Yeah, but he did the score and then wrote. Steve Horlick wrote the little madman Mars song, the lyrics for that. And then he went on to write the greatest song ever written. The theme song to reading rainbow. [00:26:01] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It's surprising now. [00:26:04] Speaker B: And if you look him up on Spotify, he does a ton of children's songs and, like, weird, like, 30 minutes songs about, like, the ocean. They're just, like. Synthesizer. [00:26:15] Speaker A: All right. [00:26:16] Speaker C: Makes sense, though. I felt. I felt like the music had an element of, like, playful kidness to it. [00:26:21] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:26:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:22] Speaker C: You know? [00:26:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:24] Speaker C: As did the sound effects. The sound effects were, like, straight out of, like, you know, some kind of. What was that? Not reading Rainbow, but the other one with the kids show. And around the same period, it didn't matter. [00:26:36] Speaker B: But construction junction, conjunction Junction was the song from. But I think I know. Are you talking about. Oh, fuck. I know you're talking about. I just remember Bill Cosby with his magic pen telling me about spanish fly. That's all I really remember, being a kid. [00:27:01] Speaker C: No, but just like, the sound production on this, it's like when something squishes, it squishes. [00:27:07] Speaker A: Yep. And, like, there is very. There. There's a very comical sound effect. And I'll get to that. That's at the end. But speaking of the music, I sent you guys, Gustav Holtz, the planets. [00:27:24] Speaker B: Right. [00:27:25] Speaker A: To listen to. And I sent it to you because Gary sales was listening to that. And inspired by Mars, the bringer of war is where mad, mad Mars gets his name. [00:27:40] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [00:27:42] Speaker A: And Chris, uh, are. So I was listening to it, and, like, the. The Mars bringer of war. I was like, this sounds like. Like, I've heard it a million times. Like. Like, sounds kind of like, is this superman? Is this. It sounds, like. [00:28:01] Speaker C: Right. [00:28:01] Speaker A: Used in stuff, but it also. You can hear, like. Like, it's. It's. I think John Williams was probably influenced by him. [00:28:07] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:28:10] Speaker A: There is. And it's been used in a bunch of stuff. But do you remember, Chris, there's one specific scene in a cartoon that is beloved to us where this is used. [00:28:19] Speaker B: Ooh. You know, it's funny you say that. That was. I thought that this is. This is using some old WB cartoons, right? [00:28:26] Speaker A: No, this is. This would be later, really. But probably in WB cartoons. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. [00:28:32] Speaker B: What? No, I'm not. What are you talking about? Oh, is it a monarch's little march in? [00:28:44] Speaker A: So hate floats season two, episode two, henchmen 21 and 24, where they're going back to work. [00:28:51] Speaker B: Yes. [00:28:52] Speaker A: It's like, meet me outside. I don't want to talk to your mom. By the way. [00:28:59] Speaker B: By the way, you should watch venture brothers. [00:29:02] Speaker A: I should watch venture brothers. But also, I think henchman 24 sang the song at the end. Lore of the campfire telling of his horror. [00:29:15] Speaker B: I think we can all agree that. [00:29:17] Speaker A: We all have the stars. Don't laugh at the tales. Hey, he. If you call him the legend list. Beware the Madman Mars. [00:29:33] Speaker B: All three of us, along with all of our viewers, have gained a new karaoke song. [00:29:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:29:39] Speaker B: And that's. There you go. I was watching. [00:29:42] Speaker A: I was watching this, and I started singing that, like, that, like. And, like, Allie, my partner, Allie, my cats were all like, what is. What is he doing? [00:29:52] Speaker C: What's wrong with. [00:29:55] Speaker B: This mesmerizing song? I need to know more about it real quick while we're on music. I don't know how I stumbled across this, but are you guys familiar with or ever heard of, like, any grindcore music a little bit? So, grindcore music's, like, you know, like, short, very fast minute, two minute songs. They're, like, kind of between, like, metal and, like, thrash. Like, thrash metal and, like, punk. And generally speaking, like, the bands have, like, disgusting names about, like, violence. There's a nineties band called Mortician that actually has a song called Madman Mars that's two minutes. And the first, like, the first minute is actually, like, the trailer, and then it kicks into this, like, minute long song and then just telling the tale of it in life. You should listen to it. It's interesting. [00:30:48] Speaker A: Okay, we should add that to our Halloween playlist, which we have. Go listen to it, listener. It's pretty awesome. Been working on it for years now. I love that we start by the fireside with an incantation, a song foreshadowing what lies ahead for our characters. And I think, mickey, you would actually. You would absolutely crush the song and the role of TP, which. Theories on why he's called TP? [00:31:28] Speaker B: Because ass wipes was already taken. [00:31:32] Speaker A: So. [00:31:32] Speaker B: I had to go TP. I know. Like, of all the names in the world, why the hell did they choose. [00:31:41] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't. [00:31:42] Speaker B: It's gotta be a joke, right? I mean, that's gotta get them just. [00:31:45] Speaker A: Entertaining themselves, I guess. Rip. Tony Fish. [00:31:52] Speaker B: See that? He died. [00:31:54] Speaker A: He died dead. [00:31:55] Speaker B: He did die. [00:31:56] Speaker A: Yeah, he did. He know more not to. Not to make like. [00:32:03] Speaker B: No, no, I'm not making. No, I'm just being a dumb Tony fish. [00:32:06] Speaker A: You were great. I thought it was a little hubristic of him, too. I thought it was hubristic. Do you think it's hubristic to have your name on a belt buckle, Chris? [00:32:18] Speaker B: No. You should definitely do it. I'd like to see you have a Michelangelo belt buckle. [00:32:24] Speaker A: That's a pretty small belt buckle, if you ask me. [00:32:29] Speaker B: I think that it could wrap, preferably one. Maybe the m is really big and then the lettering gets smalling because they're running out of room. Like, do it yourself, I guess, is what I'm saying. [00:32:43] Speaker A: As we all know, camp goes until thanksgiving, right? Let's talk about that. [00:32:51] Speaker B: Is that till thanksgiving? I actually meant to go back and watch that. I know. You saying that they were wrapping up for the season. Was it thanksgiving or was it fall? [00:32:59] Speaker A: Yeah, no, Max says, like, he's like, Thanksgiving's like, around the corner next week or something like that. So, like, this camp, which is for gifted children, I'm not sure what they mean by that. But, you know, that kind of. [00:33:17] Speaker B: Now that makes sense. I mean, like. Like, that's a part of it, right? Like there's more counselors than there is kids, you know? [00:33:25] Speaker A: I guess because it's late in the season. [00:33:27] Speaker B: I know, I guess. I don't know. I mean, like. And I mean, to your point, right? It doesn't make sense. Like the classic summer camp. But it's cool. Like, you know, they're in fall. They got the, you know, all the fall feels going on with the. Having a jacket on. [00:33:40] Speaker A: Is Richie one of the gifted kids? Richie seems Richie's. Richie sucks by the way Richie kind of kicks off the whole thing. [00:33:49] Speaker B: Richie doesn't make sense, right? Like, yeah, the whole of Richie does not make sense. [00:33:55] Speaker A: So elaborate, please. [00:33:57] Speaker B: Well, okay. Like, he's this, like, in the beginning, he's like, I don't know, normal teenage boy acting like an idiot, probably wanting attention. He calls upon madman Mars, throws something at his house. I mean, I would have done something stupid like that when I was, like, 1617 years old. You know what I mean? And then, like, he thinks I was. [00:34:17] Speaker A: Respectful of the urban legends. [00:34:19] Speaker B: Sir, you were never respectful in your life. Then he, like, he catches madman Mars, sees him in skulking around a tree, and then he starts, like, investigating, and he spends the whole film investigating. And then at the end he, yeah, the whole film. [00:34:39] Speaker A: Well, I have a question about that. Do you think he's just stumbling around and just, like, hapless and got lucky that he didn't get killed? Obviously he's lucky, but, like, at what, at what point, at what point does he realize that there is even danger afoot? I feel like it's like, oh, he's exploring the house. Then he gets lost, and it's like, is it because he's a teenager? Is it because he's quote unquote gifted? What do they mean by gifted? And, like, well, I think that, I. [00:35:10] Speaker B: Think he's doing, like, I think he's, like, trying to figure it out, which, again, like, so I'm watching the film for the first time. Halfway through, I'm like, oh, Richie's the killer, right? Because, like, this doesn't make sense. That's around. [00:35:28] Speaker A: Sophisticated idea that could be layered into something that's not to be a part of this movie. [00:35:34] Speaker B: Well, I was gonna say halfway through, then they say something about seeing, like, a big skulking figure. I was like, well, that theorem goes out the window, that type of thing. But that would sense to do something with, with him, beyond him just skulking around trying to figure it out, you know? [00:35:50] Speaker A: No, absolutely. Like, it's, it's Richie. Richie's not written in a way that I think makes a lot of sense. And it, for a, this is so a lot of people in front of the camera, behind the camera. This is their first movie that they're doing. You got to understand, right. And to, I think you'll all agree to, to carry a performance without a lot of dialogue is, is difficult. It requires, like, a really, like, like, talented, versatile actor to, and, like, when Richie discovers the basement and sees all the bodies, it's not very good. [00:36:33] Speaker C: No, it's not very good. [00:36:36] Speaker A: He reminds me a little bit of in Bloodsport, the kid who plays Jean Claude Van Damme as a kid who, when he like, he likes with that kid, he's wearing the Giants and he's wearing, like, conflicting sports teams. [00:36:54] Speaker B: Yeah. He's wearing New York Giants sweater, t shirt in a San Francisco, San Francisco Giants hat. [00:37:01] Speaker C: He just likes Giants. [00:37:03] Speaker B: He's a big Giant fan. And also, I don't know. I don't remember. It's been a while. But, like, it's either poorly dubbed or he's trying to do a bit of a Jean Claude Van Damme voice. [00:37:11] Speaker A: It's dubbed by Jean Claude doing, and. [00:37:16] Speaker B: It comes off like, oh, no, it is me. I love it. [00:37:21] Speaker A: Yeah, that's it. [00:37:23] Speaker B: I like american baseball. [00:37:27] Speaker A: That's it. Um. [00:37:35] Speaker B: Whoever was in predator as the predator for the first part was great. [00:37:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. John Claude, you were, you were the better predator. [00:37:49] Speaker C: You're the better predator. [00:37:50] Speaker A: You're the better predator. Then, then they should have shown predator. [00:37:55] Speaker B: Doing martial arts for 20 minutes. [00:37:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that Kevin, no good. Yeah, no good. Speaking of Kevin Michael hall. That's right. His name is Kevin Michael hall. Right. The performer who played the predator, who also played Harry and Harry and the Hendersons, a Sasquatch. Which brings us back to Madman Mars. Now, Mad had Mars in this movie. Chris, I got a job. [00:38:19] Speaker C: You make easy jump to make. [00:38:21] Speaker A: He, Madman Mars has a lot of Chris energy to me. You literally make Antman Mars to me in this movie is completely not scary. He is. [00:38:38] Speaker C: No, no, he's very Harry in the Henderson's, right? Yes. It's like, take the axe away. And he's, he's in the house, like, eating all your food, sits on the couch, and it breaks. [00:38:51] Speaker B: He goes, oh, he's, he's like, wandering around. And then I love, like, the way he, like, sprints through the woods in a couple scenes. Like, you know, like, he's like, like that what you do. [00:39:04] Speaker A: Madman Mars sounds constantly, Chris, constantly throughout the entire. That's one of the things I love about you. Like when, when, at the end, when, like, the whole thing goes on fire, when the bar goes on fire from the candle and, like, it cuts to the, like, outlaw. Like, oh, I just collected all those. Like, do you think he doesn't understand death and that he's a misunderstood figure and he's awesome. He thinks he's playing a game with everybody. [00:39:38] Speaker B: I completely agree. He's the hero of the film. [00:39:40] Speaker A: He's the hero much and margin this. [00:39:45] Speaker B: You're a simple farmer. You're trying to relax. Some hapless young youth wants to harass you by yelling your name and throwing something at your house. Of course you got to investigate. You got to look into what's going on, make sure that things aren't, you know, trying to happen to your home. And then, lo and behold, there's a drunk cook, and then there's a weirdo teenager talking about, what is life with a knife. And you got to just settle that. [00:40:13] Speaker C: Business, give it different, given different circumstances. You see Madman Mars as like a mice and men story. [00:40:22] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that's. See, I see that. The rock throwing as he thinks it's. Madman Mars thinks. Play. Yeah, yeah, we play. [00:40:33] Speaker C: Now, he grabs an axe. It's the only thing close to him. [00:40:37] Speaker A: Well, that's okay. Okay, the axe. We got some arthurian lore. Here he is. [00:40:44] Speaker C: I was going to say I was. Yeah. [00:40:45] Speaker A: Or, like, thorn of this camp. Or, or like Thor. I think it's a little more. A little more, uh, uh, arthurian because it's, it's stuck in, in something, right? Well, sure, but I totally get your thing. [00:40:59] Speaker C: It's not about strength. It's it's the both are the exact same analogy. It's about what you have in your heart. So you're saying that he was the. [00:41:07] Speaker A: Most horrible from Thor, I think. [00:41:11] Speaker C: From the comic book? Yeah, from the comic book, sure. Yeah. Everybody knows Stanley wrote that comic book before King Arthur was a thing. [00:41:20] Speaker B: Madman Mars also has a hobbit feet, so it's kind of also lost boys. [00:41:28] Speaker C: Croc feet. [00:41:30] Speaker B: If only. [00:41:33] Speaker A: That's why Madman Martin so pissed. It's like, like, take your crocs off when you go into my house. [00:41:38] Speaker C: Yeah, come on. [00:41:39] Speaker A: You know, disrespectful Crockett. And I also think, I think there is, like, so TP and Max have this whole thing about the axe, and I think, like, is there are in the writing. Are there, are they trying to say something about, like. [00:42:00] Speaker B: No would be the answer already. [00:42:01] Speaker C: Do not go into that speech about, you know, it's not about winning or losing, but whenever you win american dream. [00:42:11] Speaker A: Capitalism, and, like, and, like, how you sacrifice who you are, your morals, in order to succeed in life. You know what I mean? [00:42:20] Speaker C: And Madman Mars represents in that. [00:42:23] Speaker A: And that what happens when the american dream goes awry? What happens if you fucking finally kill your stupid fucking wife and your stupid fucking kids? [00:42:36] Speaker C: Wow. [00:42:40] Speaker B: Farmers. Farmers have a tough life, man. Like, was it, like, farmers are the, like, top three for committing suicide? The United States, he had to take it out on his family farmers. In the past years, they have been. [00:42:55] Speaker C: I know in the past years, number one was dentist a long time. [00:42:59] Speaker B: Who can blame them? Got stare into that void of your mouth, Mickey. [00:43:03] Speaker A: I think you're getting that from the film Novocaine, which we saw in a movie theater together. Hilarious. With Steve Martin. But is that where you're basing that information off? [00:43:11] Speaker C: No, I think that's real information. I think I try to talk my friend Dennis because of it. Yeah. [00:43:16] Speaker B: I bring up to my dentist all the time. I'm like, hey, good seeing you. Glad you didn't kill yourself. [00:43:23] Speaker A: And I shake his hand with Steve. [00:43:25] Speaker C: Martin, a dentist in Novocaine. [00:43:28] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [00:43:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:29] Speaker C: I just can't get out of my mind the real Steve Martin. Dennis from little shop of horrors. [00:43:34] Speaker B: That's true. Steve Martin's got a real thing of Dennis Dennis, doesn't he? [00:43:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:43:43] Speaker A: We were talking about TP earlier. Not toilet paper. [00:43:47] Speaker C: Okay. [00:43:48] Speaker A: But the character TP. What do you think's going on with that name, Mickey? [00:43:56] Speaker C: TP? [00:43:58] Speaker A: Yeah. What do you think is going on? [00:43:59] Speaker C: That. That's his. That's his name, but, like, why? It's. It's short, like JP or. Or RP or. Or DP or, you know, any of them. DP, yeah, like, yeah, like BBC, CNN. It's like, it's just a nickname. [00:44:21] Speaker B: MSNBC. [00:44:22] Speaker C: Uh, yeah. [00:44:25] Speaker A: C f m. C n. F m. F m, yeah, m and Ms. Ms. [00:44:34] Speaker C: No, his name's obviously Terry Paul, and they call him TP. [00:44:38] Speaker B: Terry Paul. [00:44:40] Speaker A: Terry Paul. [00:44:41] Speaker C: Common American, you know, nickname. TP. [00:44:45] Speaker B: TP. [00:44:47] Speaker A: Tp. He likes to touch. He touches that one kid's like, lay his knee. [00:44:55] Speaker B: You want to talk about weird, inappropriate relationships between the counselors and the kids? What about. What about what's her name? Caressing the one little girl and telling her that she loves her and all that? [00:45:07] Speaker A: I don't know what you're talking about right now. [00:45:09] Speaker B: What's her name? Dela fucking? [00:45:12] Speaker A: Is it Ellie? Is it. [00:45:15] Speaker C: Oh, Betsy. [00:45:17] Speaker A: Betsy. [00:45:18] Speaker B: Yeah, Betsy. Classic men. Whenever. [00:45:33] Speaker C: The name of Betsy for what it is, man, Betsy's Betty is a wonderful human. She's. She's everything you. Stop. [00:45:41] Speaker B: Madman Mars had not bravely interjected himself. Steve would have kidnapped that child and ran away. [00:45:49] Speaker C: No, Betsy. Betsy was. Betsy was lovely. She was like. She played such a good, like, game with TP in the hot tub of, like, I'm into you, but you. You need to earn it. So they did their, you know, swirls. [00:46:05] Speaker A: That's like, so, like, in the burning, right? There's a relationship with Eddie. And I forget Karen, maybe, and it's like, she likes him, but he's kind of a dick. [00:46:16] Speaker C: This, right? [00:46:17] Speaker A: This is like, I think, a more progressive look at it, but again, not. Not wonderfully written, but like, this. This. It's like, I like this guy, but sometimes he could be a little too much. And then the guy is like, you know what? You're right. I'm going to publicly apologize, and then we can fucking the Jacuzzi. [00:46:37] Speaker C: Think that was a little bit like TP's saying what she wants to hear to get to that next step. A little bit of like how beta boys do. They're like, you know. [00:46:48] Speaker A: So because you apologize, you're a beta boy? Is that what you're saying? [00:46:51] Speaker C: No, I'm not saying. I think I'm thinking more of, like, those guys who say like, yeah, I'm a feminist, too. And then their whole point is a. [00:47:01] Speaker A: Guy who calls himself a feminist. [00:47:03] Speaker C: Yeah, sure. TP was giving off that vibe where he was like, we're in a big group. This is my last night. This is my last night in possibility with Betsy. I got to close the deal. So I'm going to say what. What seemingly would be the thing she needs to hear to put her to the next line. It totally self serving. [00:47:21] Speaker A: I thought it wasn't. I thought he. I thought he, like, despite his hubristic belt buckle, I thought he. I thought it was coming from an honest place. And I will. I will say this. When I said, beware men who call themselves feminists. It's totally cool to be a male who is a feminist. That is an important, positive thing. But the guys who are very vocal about it, I should say the guys who are very vocal about I am a feminist. Those are usually the really scumbaggy guys. [00:47:55] Speaker C: Yeah, because then right after that speech, doesn't he say something like, I want to put on something a little more personal? I think that's what he says, right? [00:48:04] Speaker B: Think he does? [00:48:05] Speaker A: I don't remember. [00:48:06] Speaker C: Well, it's so fast. I'm like, hey, I'm sorry you had to see that side of me in front of Betsy. I don't want to be that person. [00:48:12] Speaker A: I shouldn't for scaring the kids. [00:48:15] Speaker C: And then after that, he goes, hey, guys, I think it's time for us to do a more personal one. Know what the exact line is? But it was definitely like, hey, while the kids are asleep and Max is away, now it's time to get a little. Let's get sexy. [00:48:30] Speaker A: Where does Max. So it's midnight. Max Max goes to a card game. [00:48:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:39] Speaker A: He drives into New York City to go to a car at midnight. [00:48:43] Speaker B: I don't think it's New York City. [00:48:47] Speaker A: But still, it's like. It seems fishy. I think he's doing something else. I don't know. [00:48:53] Speaker B: It's midnight. Does it. Do you know it's midnight? [00:48:55] Speaker A: Yeah, it's midnight. Midnight? Yeah. [00:48:57] Speaker B: Really? [00:48:57] Speaker A: Yeah. This, this. So this movie happens over the course of 4 hours, and midnight is when they're doing the camp stories, according to the information. I. [00:49:09] Speaker C: Okay, I know. [00:49:10] Speaker B: I was gonna say, I don't remember that in the film. [00:49:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:13] Speaker B: Very late for a campfire. [00:49:15] Speaker A: Common knowledge. Apparently, it's. It's. It's common knowledge, but, like, very late. [00:49:21] Speaker C: Too late for many of those young kids. [00:49:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Right. Yeah. [00:49:24] Speaker C: Yeah. Doesn't seem like. Yeah, he's running a weird camp. [00:49:32] Speaker A: It's odd. And then. Okay, so Mickey, you went to camp. We've discussed this already. Mickey's went to camp, albeit it was religious. Uh, Chris and I haven't, um. Did you have a fucking kick ass cedar Jacuzzi room? Yeah. [00:49:49] Speaker B: I was gonna say, what kind of camp has a Jacuzzi? Yeah. [00:49:52] Speaker C: Um, no. [00:49:57] Speaker A: Okay, question two. [00:49:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:59] Speaker A: What were they doing under the water? [00:50:02] Speaker C: Oh. When she was, like, I was. Yeah. She's like, I was there, and then you. And kind of cuts off. [00:50:07] Speaker A: Uh huh. What's going on? [00:50:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:50:11] Speaker A: She says, why didn't you let me finish? I think is what she says. [00:50:14] Speaker C: Oh. Hmm. [00:50:16] Speaker B: I think. [00:50:17] Speaker A: Do you think the jacuzzi scene is why Galen Ross doesn't like talking about this movie? [00:50:23] Speaker C: I would have something to do with it. Oh, really? You doubt it? I would assume it has something to do with it. I don't know. [00:50:32] Speaker A: Maybe it was an uncomfortable experience. Maybe she didn't want to get naked. Maybe. [00:50:36] Speaker C: Yeah. I have a feeling that she probably wasn't like, I just don't think that they're. I think they're probably playing it fast and loose, and she did not agree to nudity, and somehow they got it out of her anyway. I don't know. Guys, this is all speculation, so please don't take any of this and put it into, like, factual stuff. But I just feel like Galen Ross's career, if you look at it, she's pretty respectable in the three films she did, and then she also goes on to become a pretty awesome, like, documentary film director. And I just think that maybe she's a little bit embarrassed about how all that went down. And that's okay. [00:51:09] Speaker A: Yeah. I would love to know her side of it. [00:51:15] Speaker C: I would love to get Galen on. [00:51:16] Speaker A: She's like. It's like, you know, doesn't like the. [00:51:20] Speaker B: Movie, doesn't talk about because she doesn't really like it. [00:51:24] Speaker A: I know, but, like, imagine being, like, I was in this movie, and I also, like, showed my naked body, right? And had to do, like, a gross sex scene, which apparently that. [00:51:34] Speaker C: That Jacuzzi got gross, I have no. [00:51:37] Speaker A: Doubt, because, like, they were all hanging, like, apparently so according to the cast, they. Ross was a great, fun time. She was professional. She was good. Everyone had a good time making the film. They. They were basically at this, like, retreat, uh, where they were living and shooting the film. Uh, and that Jacuzzi, they would hang out at night, I guess, naked, and it got gross eventually. [00:52:09] Speaker C: Like, I need more details. [00:52:12] Speaker B: Sometimes people hang out naked. [00:52:15] Speaker C: Gross things get gross. [00:52:19] Speaker A: Well, it's a chick. I mean, like, I. Do you guys like jacuzzis? I'm not a big fan of jacuzzis for this reason that, like, people do gross things in the jacuzzi. [00:52:28] Speaker C: I don't like public jacuzzis. [00:52:31] Speaker A: You like a bathtub you're in with your wife, and you fart, and you're. [00:52:35] Speaker C: Like, hey, babe, I like the private jacuzzis. I don't like public ones. [00:52:40] Speaker B: Hmm. I don't know. I can't really think of a time that, like. I mean, like, it's been a long time since I've gone to, like, a jacuzzi in a place that, like, I would question. You know what I mean? Like, I've been in Jacuzzi places that are really nice that I know they're, like, really maintaining them, that type of thing. [00:52:58] Speaker C: When you combine the two words, Jack and Uzi, I'm not into it. [00:53:02] Speaker B: So you don't like those. Those videos of really ripped up guys wearing thongs, shooting Uzis half naked? Like, those kinds of things? [00:53:21] Speaker A: Yeah. That's a different thing. Dude, that's pretty fucking cool. [00:53:24] Speaker B: That's a jazz, guys. Jack, did we just wonder an idea to make us millions of dollars? [00:53:30] Speaker A: Yes, we did. Okay. You brought up Dave earlier. Death Jones plays Dave. Kind of looks like carradine. Carradine? [00:53:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:53:47] Speaker A: Don't let that guy get high. [00:53:49] Speaker C: No. [00:53:50] Speaker A: You guys ever have a friend who got high, then talks about how they kill everybody? [00:53:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:53:55] Speaker B: No, but I've gotten high with you before, and you've been weird. [00:54:00] Speaker A: About how it's gonna kill you. [00:54:02] Speaker C: I do feel like you're the Dave in this group. Yeah. [00:54:05] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If anything. I'm Richie. No, you're dead, Ricky. Chris is Mars. [00:54:16] Speaker C: And I'm Bill. [00:54:19] Speaker A: No, you're. You're TP. [00:54:21] Speaker C: I don't see me being a TP at all. I'm very much a bill. [00:54:25] Speaker B: I gotta say, dude, no one's a Dippy. Dippy was pretty good. [00:54:28] Speaker C: I love dippy. [00:54:30] Speaker B: Deserves more. [00:54:31] Speaker C: Rest in peace. [00:54:33] Speaker A: A drunk YouTube for putting robot porn on there. I don't know if you know that. [00:54:43] Speaker B: Wait, what? [00:54:43] Speaker A: Again, he. So Dippy. Michael Sullivan is a pretty great accomplished artist. And he had a YouTube channel that he got like, like, YouTube kicked him off because he apparently made, like, a puppet robot porn video. I haven't seen it. I don't know a lot of the details, but that's the information. [00:55:09] Speaker C: Welcome to the deepest dive on Madman ever. [00:55:13] Speaker B: Wow. [00:55:14] Speaker C: But, no, I actually like Dippy. And I think that sometimes what I think attracts me to characters is not the character themselves, but how the other characters react to him. And everybody seemed to have a nice, like, affinity for Dippy. So I'm sorry to see you go first, Dippy. [00:55:31] Speaker A: You. [00:55:31] Speaker C: You had more story to tell. [00:55:34] Speaker A: They don't waste any time, right? We're straight. We're straight. Like, once we set up the lure, it's like fucking Dippy is. Gets his fucking throat slit. I thought in a very effective special. [00:55:46] Speaker B: Effect, like, I had to back it up because, like, I wasn't. I thought they were still doing, like, a lot of setup. You know what I mean? That, like, that midway point of slasher and to be like, wait, he just fucking get killed if he went fast and watch it again. [00:56:00] Speaker A: He. Apparently, Michael Sullivan is like, he has been killed, like, countless times on screen. [00:56:08] Speaker C: It makes sense. He's very, like, early entry horror film. Killable. Yeah. [00:56:15] Speaker A: Why? Why, Mickey? [00:56:17] Speaker B: Why is that good? [00:56:18] Speaker C: Because he's got the. The scruff. He's like the guy who might be warning people. He's the. I can see him being the drunk. This character dippy in multiple films. And he's an easy person to kill off first. And he's not somebody that you're going to be, like, offended that he's killed off first, but he's somebody that, that you might, the other characters care for in a way where it's like, oh, poor dippy. But who cares? He wasn't that crucial. [00:56:43] Speaker A: You think he's related to Artie boy? Cancel. [00:56:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, no, no. How dare. [00:56:52] Speaker C: He is not an Artie. [00:56:56] Speaker A: Just because you're related to a pedophile doesn't mean you're a pedophile. He's drunk because he's like my brother, always really interesting. [00:57:07] Speaker C: This is a common thing for you. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah. I mean, I guess that, you know. [00:57:14] Speaker B: Sure, you know, they missed an opportunity. [00:57:18] Speaker A: Sure. Okay. [00:57:21] Speaker B: This is gonna be good. [00:57:22] Speaker C: Thank you for. [00:57:23] Speaker A: Yes. Ending. Yeah, sure. [00:57:25] Speaker B: They missed an opportunity. They should have had dippy, like, with his, like, empty liquor bottle, like, see Mars, like, running across and be like, bro, I'm drinking too much. And look at the bottle and, like, put it away. [00:57:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, mister J. [00:57:39] Speaker A: But then get another bottle, I think. [00:57:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:41] Speaker B: Melee. Pull another bottle. [00:57:42] Speaker C: Bottle up. Lifts the bottle up, and sees the image of Mars through the bottle. So it's little bird. And he's like. And he says something like, get out of here, Max. And takes a drink. And you're like, no, it's not. It's Mars. Yeah, that would have been great. It's not just, you're not blind drunk. You're just looking through the bottle. [00:58:04] Speaker A: Do you think there is a connection between Max and Mars? [00:58:08] Speaker C: I had that feeling at some point. [00:58:11] Speaker B: I thought it was gonna feel that way. Yeah. [00:58:13] Speaker C: They have a similar build. They have a similar thing. I could see that. [00:58:19] Speaker B: Well, and the fact that again. Right. It's like, it's kind of similar to the burning. Right. Like, why are you telling a tale of a, like, killer presence right near where it is? You know what I mean? Like, he's telling the tale of Mars next to the abandoned house of Mars. [00:58:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:44] Speaker C: Well, it's, like, slightly psychopathic. [00:58:46] Speaker B: Mm hmm. Yeah. [00:58:47] Speaker A: Kind of fun, right? When you, like, you're by the legend with the thing happened, and you tell the story in front of the campfire. [00:58:56] Speaker C: That thing couldn't have happened that long ago. [00:58:58] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. It had to have been, like, in his. He's not a young man. It would have been in his life. [00:59:02] Speaker C: And Mars is mobile enough that he's also not like an, like, an aged, old, decrepit person. So this. And he was not. He was not that. [00:59:14] Speaker A: You think Madman Mars is, like, alive. [00:59:19] Speaker C: You think he's just a ghost that was called back? [00:59:21] Speaker A: Not a ghost, but he's obviously something. [00:59:23] Speaker B: That'S, like, sort of beyond the grave. [00:59:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:59:28] Speaker C: Do you think. [00:59:28] Speaker B: Do you think he's, what do you think he's so, do you think he escaped from the news thing alive? [00:59:33] Speaker C: That's what I thought. That whole reason for the whole, like, the noose was gone. [00:59:36] Speaker A: We got, like, a Jason character. That's what I assume. Living beyond time. And, like, I kind of see that the lore happened, like. [00:59:44] Speaker C: But hold on. [00:59:45] Speaker A: Like, 19th century. [00:59:47] Speaker C: That's not Jason. That's not Jason. [00:59:50] Speaker A: I said Jason. Like, I didn't say Jason. [00:59:53] Speaker C: Yeah, like, but Jason, he is not dead. [00:59:57] Speaker A: I'm talking, talking Jason. Six or seven. [01:00:03] Speaker C: Well, sure, six or seven, but I didn't see that at all, actually. I thought that he had killed because he goes to a bar. Like, he, like, walks down to local tavern, sets down his axe, gets a drink. Doesn't feel like this is like, old world to me. It didn't to me. [01:00:15] Speaker B: No, I agree with that. Yeah. I don't think this was like. [01:00:19] Speaker A: Yeah, like a hundred years ago. Like, it. If you watch, if you. If you read it, there's that section of the book, right. The act murders that happened, like a century before where, like, it was like a logging community. [01:00:34] Speaker C: I thought it more like the green mile in the sense where he's, like the character who it's so hard to kill because he's just a big, big hulk of a man, and it's hard to kill that man. So no matter how much you put him through, he was able to survive it, get himself free. And he's been hiding out in that abandon similar to Jason. Hiding out, abandoned that house. [01:00:57] Speaker B: I thought it was gonna be kind of like, I don't think you think it was a zombie. [01:01:02] Speaker C: I didn't think it was a zombie. [01:01:03] Speaker A: I think he's. They've enchanted him. Like, they've called upon spirits and, like, I don't think he's necessarily a ghost, but he is. He is this, like, evil being that will, like, if you don't follow the rules, kind of. Kind of like a candy man or something. [01:01:22] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. [01:01:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:23] Speaker C: Or Mary. I get that. Yeah, our Bloody Mary. I didn't think that, and I didn't think that when Richie even evoked him, it was necessarily as much of a, like, Richie was, like, pulling the spirit from its, you know, resting place. I thought it more of, like, dude, you're close to Mars and you're calling him out, and he is, like, crazy. [01:01:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I think they're all at fault. [01:01:45] Speaker B: So you think, like, Mars was kind of, like, in the basement with, like, the bodies of his, like, family with his axe, and then, like, years, like, richie going, like, mars, and he goes, here we go again. And, like, he goes out, like that. [01:01:59] Speaker C: Kind of situation, or after being hunted down, he hears madman Mars the chance. And he's like a frankensteinian character where he's like, oh, they're back. They come and get me. So he got his axe he's ready to fight the townspeople that hung him. [01:02:16] Speaker A: I mean, from. Here's the thing. From the moment TP is singing the song, you see his hand kind of, like, in the woods, so he's kind of, like, around. So I read combination. We got the song, we got the story, and then the final straw seems to be richie's, like, throwing of the stone. [01:02:37] Speaker C: Mm hmm. [01:02:38] Speaker A: You know what I mean? [01:02:39] Speaker C: So he wasn't evoked like a candy man because they had not said Madman Mars at that point. [01:02:44] Speaker A: They had. [01:02:44] Speaker B: You're thinking the song. [01:02:46] Speaker C: No, the song in the beginning that TP sings has nothing to do with. He didn't say mad Mars, but. [01:02:50] Speaker A: No, no, no. I think that's part of it. Right? He's singing the song, and you see Madman kind of in the background. You see, like, his hand and shit. Kind of like, come, come. Like, do the, do the. [01:03:02] Speaker C: Do you think that even the little. [01:03:03] Speaker B: Like, flashes in the future, like, the deaths in the future thing in the beginning? [01:03:08] Speaker A: No, no, this is in the present. We see this. I'm gonna have to go back and watch it, maybe. But, like, I could have sworn you see him kind of, like, around the, like, the campfire with them, and then he tells. Okay, then Max tells the story, and he's like, you know, don't do this. And then Richie does the thing you're not supposed to do. So I think it's maybe a combination of all those things and the fact that it's the, like, witching hour or whatever. It's, like, late and, like, the fire. [01:03:35] Speaker C: Please, please, listener, right down at the bottom of this episode on instagram, on whatever, any. Anything, anywhere you can find us, please weigh in and say, is madman some spiritual being? Is he a zombie fied character? Is he just a man who has escaped from the townspeople and then gone back to his home to hopefully, like, settle down and live on rats and, you know, local vermin? Or is he something totally different way of. When you considered, please let me know, because I was. I was under the different impression that he was more of, adjacent to or a, you know, unkillable force that isn't undead, but just is just, like, really strong. [01:04:24] Speaker A: I don't think you'd go wrong. You know what I mean? [01:04:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:29] Speaker A: Although in the legend, he is apparently dead. [01:04:33] Speaker C: Well, apparently they thought that they hung him, and they thought that he was. He had died, and he just disappeared. [01:04:38] Speaker B: Well, they didn't even just hang him, right? Didn't they? Like, also, like, they hit him with an axe and they did something else, and hang them. [01:04:45] Speaker C: So, I mean, like, I mean, michael Myers, they shot. They shot him a couple times, threw him off a roof. They've done a lot of things. Michael Myers, he still was not a zombie for a long time. [01:04:54] Speaker A: True. [01:04:55] Speaker C: And these things are, these things are pulling from michael Myers himself. [01:05:00] Speaker B: So we need a, like, halloween four. We need a random man in a duster to come up and free. And free matt mars from his noose. Michael, from the first. [01:05:18] Speaker A: I'm watching. Hold on. I got an iPad out, and I'm looking at the opening scene. [01:05:24] Speaker B: He's watching tv. We're trying to entertain audience, and I have. [01:05:30] Speaker C: I have a small opinion, different from michelangelo, and now he's like, we're gonna spend the rest of these 3 hours. [01:05:39] Speaker A: No, no. I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I'm trying to prove myself right. [01:05:45] Speaker B: That's way different. [01:05:47] Speaker A: That's way different. Um, listen, is there. I don't. There's no answer to this. It's how you. It's. It's your interpretation. So, like, obviously, I'm not saying you're wrong, mickey. That's interesting. I didn't think, I didn't think about it that way when I was watching it. I just, like, automatically, for some reason, to me, I was like, oh, yeah, this is, this is, this is some sort of creature from the beyond that was called upon by. [01:06:15] Speaker B: It is kind of funny, though, right? Like, so when Max is telling the whole thing about, like, and then when the townspeople came back the next morning where they hung my Max Mars, he was gone, and we could never find him again. I was like, well, did anyone maybe go to the house and clear out the. At least the corpses of his family? Nope, nope, nope. No one touched the house. No, no. [01:06:38] Speaker A: It's. His house is scary. It's icky. [01:06:40] Speaker C: I thought it would have been interesting, though, had it come to the end that, that, that, uh, Matt mad Mars's face, if you like. And she reached up in the last moment and pulled the face, and it ends up being, like, a pig face or a mask, and there's max underneath it. That would have been a pretty fun, pretty fun go. [01:06:58] Speaker A: What do you think of his. Of his look? [01:07:01] Speaker C: Kind of like a pig man. [01:07:02] Speaker B: He gave me, uh, he gave me, like, Solomon Grundy vibes from, like. [01:07:07] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:07:08] Speaker B: If you ever read him in the graphic novels or anything stuff, he's. [01:07:16] Speaker A: Kind of like. So you can find little action figures of Mad Men Mars, and they're very cute looking. [01:07:24] Speaker C: Very. [01:07:26] Speaker A: But I think in the movie, they did a. They did a pretty good job of, like, hiding him for the first, like, three quarters of the film. You know what I mean? Because, like, you can kind of tell. It's like, okay, this is the best makeup you. We don't want to see a full close up of this guy. You know what I mean? Less. Less is more. So Dave is a dick. He's really. He's like a real wasp. [01:07:54] Speaker B: Really. Like, just a fucking weirdo. [01:07:57] Speaker A: He's a weirdo. But he's also kind of. He's kind of a. Kind of. He's cocky. He's cocky. Agree on that. [01:08:03] Speaker C: I mean, he's. [01:08:04] Speaker B: He's. [01:08:05] Speaker C: He's also, like, kind of pretentious a little bit. [01:08:07] Speaker A: He also doesn't, he sees TP hanging from a tree. He doesn't check to see if he's dead. [01:08:14] Speaker C: No, he's like, yeah, just rock goes, yeah. [01:08:17] Speaker B: Anyone else really surprised that how quick they took out TP? [01:08:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I was. No, I was like, oh, I was surprised by dippy. And then TP immediately get. Gets taken out by his belt buckle. [01:08:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:29] Speaker B: Yeah. I thought that TP would be like, you know, not a final girl, but I thought they would have him, like, die valiantly trying to, like, you know, protect Betsy, that type of thing. That didn't happen. [01:08:41] Speaker C: No, I actually think that if we're going back on this, being a little more. What's the word? Not progressive, but being a little more. Giving the females a little more. I do think that they reserved that space a little bit for Ellie, not that she went out super brave. [01:09:00] Speaker B: She sucks. [01:09:01] Speaker A: Ellie. Ellie sucks big time. Ellie. Ellie can't even die correctly. All right. [01:09:08] Speaker C: Oh, guys, I don't think you're being hard on Ellie. [01:09:11] Speaker B: I prefer the idea that Mars doesn't kill Ellie, but she actually accidentally commits suicide by putting herself in that old school refrigerator and suffocating to death. [01:09:23] Speaker A: Okay, Ellie, Ellie, Ellie, Ellie. [01:09:28] Speaker C: Mars either. Ellie doesn't die by Mars. [01:09:30] Speaker B: Well, technically. [01:09:36] Speaker A: We'll get there. [01:09:37] Speaker C: You guys didn't like Ellie at all. I actually had, like, a small thing for. [01:09:41] Speaker A: He was nice. He just was kind of incompetent. [01:09:45] Speaker B: I liked Ellie and Bill. I thought they were cute together. [01:09:48] Speaker A: They were cute together. [01:09:49] Speaker B: Like, I like, really great. Yeah, Bill's good, dude. Like, which I'm still confused. How exactly did Bill die by Mars? [01:09:57] Speaker A: Bill got the bane treatment. Was he like, yeah, I think they just couldn't show it because maybe they didn't have the money, but, like, you. [01:10:05] Speaker C: Can hear the crunch. You can hear the crunch. That is, like, a little too obvious. [01:10:08] Speaker A: But it's a silhouette. You could have, like, bang. Just, you know, crunch, though. [01:10:12] Speaker B: It's, like, crunching the whole time. It's like. It's like, ten minutes later. Okay. [01:10:19] Speaker A: Yeah. They should have, like, snapped him in half. [01:10:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:22] Speaker C: His adr was la. I was like, it's. You can hear him so close on the mic that it's like. It doesn't even feel like I was so unnatural. I love that. That little stuff was fun, but that's where I got big laughs. Like, I laughed a couple times in this film where I was like, if I had a bit group, I think this film would have really worked on me, you know? Or, like, Stacey getting the heat. Like his big old. His big old feet just stomping on Mars. [01:10:49] Speaker B: Just. Man, they're death traps. [01:10:53] Speaker C: Well, just Mars's feet. Just the ability. Just, like, cut you in half. Those big old. [01:10:58] Speaker A: Stacey was pretty cool. I liked her conversation Chad with Betsy, because when they're talking about TP at the beginning. [01:11:04] Speaker C: Sure. Right? [01:11:05] Speaker A: Let me ask you this. Do you guys like the recorder? [01:11:08] Speaker C: I think it's funny. She does it to dippy. She goes, dippy bottles. [01:11:13] Speaker A: Like, consider that to be music. The recorder. [01:11:16] Speaker C: Yeah. I consider the recorder played a recorder. [01:11:20] Speaker A: Yeah. I think if you grew up in the time period we grew up in America, I think you were forced to play the recorder in elementary school at some point. [01:11:29] Speaker C: That's like saying, is a ukulele an instrument? [01:11:31] Speaker B: Yeah. If it's not music, then what is it? There's not. [01:11:34] Speaker A: I have never. I have. I've heard beautiful songs with the ukulele. I don't think I've ever heard a beautiful recording of a recorder. [01:11:43] Speaker C: A recorder is, like, missing a few notes, but it's just. It's just one step down from a clarinet. It's a beautiful instrument. [01:11:50] Speaker A: One step down. [01:11:51] Speaker C: It's a step down from a clarinet. Yeah, one. [01:11:53] Speaker A: Okay, I'm a lead down. [01:11:56] Speaker C: It's not a read. It's the clarinet has a read that the reporter does not. Yeah. This is different. [01:12:02] Speaker A: Like, I like you. You seem to know your recorder fast. [01:12:06] Speaker C: Both my parents were music teachers, and I. I was on the special select group that played recorders and played a lot of music when I was in fourth. I was gifted. Yes. I would go to a gifted recorder camp. [01:12:18] Speaker B: This might be a bad time to bring this up, but, Mickey, I'm not going to buy that recorder you've been trying to sell. [01:12:26] Speaker C: It's okay. I've got. I've got so many people on the hook for that because this is the special gifted Texas group of recorder players. [01:12:34] Speaker B: That camp that I could go to. [01:12:35] Speaker C: If I record, get you into the camp. [01:12:40] Speaker A: That sounds like a pretty good deal, actually. How much is this recorder? I'm interested. I'm interested. [01:12:45] Speaker C: Yeah, we'll talk offline. We'll talk offline. I don't want to put that out to our listeners because our listeners, you know, I know we got a couple millionaires out there, and I know that because we're waiting for you guys. Support the podcast. Uh, but no. Uh, yeah, I don't want to put out prices out there for people. I don't want them to come sweeping and knock you guys out because you couldn't afford it. [01:13:06] Speaker B: Send us your address, and you'll get one free recorder for every podcast you listen to. [01:13:12] Speaker A: Your address, your Social Security number. [01:13:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:15] Speaker A: Your, uh. [01:13:17] Speaker C: Yeah. Now offering, uh, return slot of horror, uh, recorders, our first piece of merch. [01:13:25] Speaker B: I really like that idea. [01:13:30] Speaker A: It's a tape recorder in the shape of a recorder. Fancy, by the way, when he breaks down the door to get into the mess hall where Ellie's hiding. Right. Apparently they. He was like, so Paul Ellers was super into karate and stuff, and, like, he would just really break down the doors. [01:13:57] Speaker B: Nice. [01:13:57] Speaker A: Like, that apparently was like, him kick. I remember watching that scene and being like, whoa, that looked. That looked good. I didn't think it was fucking knocked down that door. [01:14:07] Speaker B: I thought it was weird that I could hear a hi yah. Whenever that happened. [01:14:11] Speaker C: I was just another. Just another way where he and Jean Claude are the same people. Mars loves doing the splits between two chairs. [01:14:22] Speaker B: Nice. We didn't see that. Sweet Mars buns. [01:14:26] Speaker A: That would be very funny. With his clawed feet. Like, doing the splits with the axe. Um, so Ellie. Ellie gets an axe to the chest. Is she dead? Is she not dead? And we don't. We don't know. We don't know. Um. Uh, but I love that. I love that color of red, that blood, whatever that formula was, I love. Now, this movie has something a lot of camp slashers don't have, especially the two movies we've already talked about. Do you know what that is? [01:15:01] Speaker C: I don't. [01:15:02] Speaker B: What's that? [01:15:03] Speaker A: That's a boom stick, baby. [01:15:05] Speaker B: Oh. So, shotgun. [01:15:10] Speaker A: This is the part of the movie where logic seems like this is the part that needed a rewrite for me. Okay, it's. It's, uh. So let me go through Betsy's process here. Betsy is worried people are missing. She goes outside, she peeks into the mess hall. I'm assuming it's the mess hall. Sees a bloody Ellie, does not run in to check on her to see if she's okay, right? She runs into another cabin, the office. She calls Max, not the police. Shotgun. [01:15:51] Speaker B: I love her calling Max. Like, it's not even like there's something wrong. People are missing. It's. There's blood all over the fireplace. [01:16:02] Speaker A: This is what she said. Yeah. Max, you got to come back. There's blood all over the fireplace. You got to come back now. Calls Max and not the police, loads the shotgun, goes back to the mess hall. Right? And as. As far as she knows, she basically kills. [01:16:20] Speaker B: She can go banzeli in the face. [01:16:21] Speaker C: Okay, yeah. [01:16:24] Speaker B: After which that's why she needs to leave. She's like. She's like, I gotta go. [01:16:33] Speaker A: Grab all the kids. She puts the kids on the bus, doesn't check the bus. [01:16:38] Speaker B: Going to Mexico. I just murdered someone I'm taking hostage. [01:16:42] Speaker C: I killed Ellie. [01:16:43] Speaker B: I killed Ellie. [01:16:45] Speaker A: Now, Mickey, your bets. What do you do when you. Okay, so shoot a new friend in the face. [01:16:54] Speaker C: Okay. [01:16:55] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [01:16:56] Speaker A: No, but seriously, Mickey. Mickey, your military. Military training. You're a father. You're a consummate professional. [01:17:05] Speaker C: You a man amongst circumstances. [01:17:08] Speaker A: Circumstances are the same. You just blew a guy in a jacuzzi, and now he's messing. [01:17:14] Speaker C: I've been a camp counselor. [01:17:16] Speaker A: You've been a camp counselor? You've been a camper? Like, you walk up to that window, and you see your friend bloody on the floor. From that point, what do you do? [01:17:26] Speaker C: I walk up, open the door, I see blood all over the fireplace and on the floor. Are you talking about, do I have the shotgun, or do I have. [01:17:33] Speaker B: She doesn't. [01:17:34] Speaker A: Previously. She doesn't. She doesn't go in. She sees through the window, a bloody Ellie, and then runs to go call in another match. She doesn't actually go into that cabin. [01:17:45] Speaker C: Here's. Here's the first thing I do. Go ahead. [01:17:48] Speaker B: This is what you do. But it's a choose your own adventure that Michelangelo is telling you. You have two options. [01:17:54] Speaker A: No, no, he has. He has multiple options, but I just. I'm sitting up. [01:17:58] Speaker C: First and foremost. First and foremost, let's be honest, people. This is. I'm going to give you honest answers here, because you don't get bullshit for Mickey, okay? I'm going into the house. I'm calling the police. I'm calling the police. [01:18:08] Speaker B: There you go. You know, anytime anything goes wrong, Mickey calls the police. People lad out. He calls the cops. Is there some young teenagers in the boot box? [01:18:20] Speaker A: You don't run and go check on. You don't run into the cabin to check on your bloody friend to see if you're. If they're all right. You just assume they're dead. [01:18:28] Speaker C: So. So we are. We are of the. We are of the understanding that she has physically seen Ellie bleeding out on the. Does Ellie listen? [01:18:37] Speaker A: I'm telling you, the circumstances. [01:18:39] Speaker B: She just sees, right? [01:18:41] Speaker A: She doesn't listen. [01:18:44] Speaker C: There's the shot all over the fireplace. But I thought she saw. [01:18:47] Speaker A: There's the shot. Give us. Right. [01:18:49] Speaker C: What is that? [01:18:50] Speaker A: She is peeking through the wind. She. So there's the shot we get, and it's. It's outside. It's not the pov of what Betsy seen, but what we understand she sees is she is outside the cabin and through the window with the curtain in the way, she sees her bloody friend. Now, according to what she tells Max, there was blood all over on fireplace. [01:19:13] Speaker C: Yeah, that's like I thought. [01:19:15] Speaker A: Doesn't necessarily like, like Ellie's not like decapitated the way Dave was or something. Right? Stacy, right? She could still be alive. So from this point, you're standing outside the cabin, right? You see, you see Chris bloody on the floor. What do you do at that point? You don't know that there's a killer, right? [01:19:36] Speaker C: If I see Chris bloody on the floor, then, yes, I go and I do what anybody would do in a combat life saving situation, which is you just check their vitals and make sure that they're, uh, conscious. If they're not conscious, then you go to your remedial life saving stuff, which is tourniquet them. And. And, you know, any. So you can stop the bleeding. If it's a sucking chest wound, you're going to, like, tape three sides of the. Of. Of some kind of plastic bags that they have a place to breathe, but it's still capturing the, uh, air. So then the inhalation, it's keeping it in. Then if it's. If it is something we have to trache, do a tracheotomy. We'll do it. Or a nasopharyngeal tube. But that's if Chris is responsive. I know it's Chris. He's on the floor, bloody. If I just see blood, then my first thing might be a call for backup before I do those steps. Because I don't know that by any kids, right? [01:20:26] Speaker A: Because all the backup. [01:20:28] Speaker C: I mean, emergency services. So 911 or, you know, some kind of emergency service, get them first involved. Then I go into the unknown. If I. If I know, and I can clearly see that Chris is in there hurting, and I can potentially save his life, then I do something. But if I just see blood all over, I'm not really sure of what I'm walking into. It's called situational awareness, and I don't know what it's going to happen. So the first thing I do is I make the call, send people on their way, and then I go breach that area to see if I can say it. Because you save nobody's life if you walk in and the killer standing there. [01:21:00] Speaker A: Right, yeah, but. But under. Okay, so, like, understand you're not in a military situation, right? I know, but you also don't know that there's a killer. You just see Chris bloody well. [01:21:16] Speaker C: I told you what I do to see Chris, buddy. [01:21:17] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I go and I do proper response. Yeah, yeah, that's. [01:21:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:21:21] Speaker A: I mean, you go, essentially, you have all those specifics due to your translation. You go, you're the casualty. [01:21:29] Speaker C: You assess the casualty first. And if that casualty is aware, the first thing he might say is, there's a killer in the house. And in which case, I go, I try to do the best I can, is the quickest I can, but I have to start getting back up because we have many more people in the area. Many more people could be killed. And the longer I spend on Chris, the more time I give that killer an opportunity to kill more people. So at that point, you're doing, like, triage where you're like, Chris, I like you. You're a great man. But, buddy, we're not losing anymore tonight. And that's where Chris gives me. He sticks out his hand. We do one of those, like, little, like, fist bumps. [01:22:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:22:03] Speaker C: And then. And then I say, I'm sorry, and he goes, get help. And then I go and I get help. [01:22:11] Speaker B: Can I. [01:22:12] Speaker C: This is a much better movie, by. [01:22:13] Speaker B: The way, as someone who's not in the military, as someone who's not in the military and not a father, can I offer my ideas? [01:22:20] Speaker C: Please? [01:22:20] Speaker A: No. [01:22:20] Speaker C: Please. [01:22:21] Speaker A: I'd rather. I'd rather not hear. [01:22:22] Speaker B: So you rush in. In that situation, Mickey, we've been attacked. I immediately start doing mouth to mouth resuscitation. You're clearly alive and not needing it. I force mouth to mouth resuscitation. [01:22:42] Speaker C: And that's because it's Chris. I'd say I breathe through my penis. [01:22:50] Speaker B: I take people at their word. I'm a believer. [01:22:54] Speaker A: You carry him to the jacuzzi, and you go underwater together. [01:23:00] Speaker B: At which point it's water resuscitation. [01:23:02] Speaker C: Exactly. [01:23:03] Speaker B: More mouth to mouth resuscitation. [01:23:05] Speaker C: Still a better movie. [01:23:07] Speaker A: I'm also not military, and I'm also not a father. But in that situation, my response is going to be very different. I'm just going to light all the cabins on fire. [01:23:18] Speaker B: Yeah, there you go. Fire cleans everything. Yeah. [01:23:22] Speaker C: Scared? I'm finding the first vehicle with keys. [01:23:26] Speaker A: I'm taking a little girl. I'll probably punch her in the face so that, you know, whatever it is that happens. Like, if there is a killer, there's some bait for the killer. Yeah, sure, sure. [01:23:40] Speaker C: You're gonna, like, knock out some kneecaps. [01:23:42] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll go check. I'll go in the jacuzzi room, see if anyone's in there, see what's going on there. [01:23:48] Speaker B: Take a good soak. That's some self care. [01:23:50] Speaker C: You're in a traumatic moment. [01:23:52] Speaker A: I know. It's very stressful. [01:23:54] Speaker C: I could see you being like, you know, it. This is not my business. I don't want to end. I don't want to intrude. I don't want to mess. I don't need to get involved. [01:24:00] Speaker A: I'm not good with confrontation guys, but I do like setting things on fire, so. Yeah, so, and then Betsy. Betsy gets the kids on the bus. Then Mars attacks the bus, but she doesn't. I guess she's, I guess she's like, uh, uh, like kind of fucked up from shooting her face, her friend in the face and getting her ass knocked down. [01:24:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:31] Speaker A: Decides not to shoot this guy. Yeah, right. Glass. Even though she has the gun and extra that she put in her pockets. [01:24:40] Speaker C: Well written gun violence. Like. [01:24:43] Speaker A: Yeah, well, you know, hey, I know in retrospect, so easy to point these things out, and it's very hard to make a movie, but, like, this, this, this whole section here is kind of where it really just, like, loses, like, sense to me. It's like, come on, guys. You could have, like, you could have thought through this section a little better and created something with a little more structure to. So that it makes more sense. So I'm not going through. Were you guys having this at this moment where you're just like, what? Why? [01:25:15] Speaker B: Yeah, why, why aren't you calling the police? [01:25:18] Speaker A: Why isn't Max calling the police? What's going on? You know what I mean? [01:25:22] Speaker B: Like, just a little hard, though. Whenever Betsy killed Ellie with, entertained me. [01:25:28] Speaker A: Pretty, like, I went back and I was like, did I see what I just saw? [01:25:34] Speaker B: Yeah, my friend. [01:25:39] Speaker A: Good shot. [01:25:41] Speaker C: It was a good shot. [01:25:45] Speaker A: This is what I'm worried about with you, Chris. Constantly that I was just gonna fucking shoot your face off. Some people shouldn't have guns, you know. [01:25:57] Speaker C: Majority recognize that. I'm glad you recognize that. [01:26:01] Speaker A: This is why you try. If you do have a God, you should do like, some, you should go to the range and do some training and, like, work with people and, like, know your weapon so that you don't shoot somebody. Uh, but they're, they're, this is probably the funniest sound effect in the movie where, like, she's trying to load the gun and he's coming up to her. And then, like, there's, he does the big swing with the axe and very gingerly and very slowly, the gun and the ax meet each other and there's this, like, little sound. [01:26:34] Speaker B: Yes. [01:26:35] Speaker A: And then like a clink. Like a real cute clink. And then it's, it's, it's just watch that over and over again. It's, it's, it's very funny. And then he fucking slashes poor. That was cool face. That was fucking, that's gonna be with her for the rest of her life, which unfortunately is not long. I did not see her death coming. [01:26:58] Speaker B: Is that like, did he do it with like, his, like, big ass nasty fingernails? Yeah, we cut her with. Well, that's gonna get infection. [01:27:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:27:06] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:27:07] Speaker C: But unless he's a zombie, maybe that what, the zombie? [01:27:11] Speaker A: Well, that's actually ultimate affection. Yeah, yeah, that's true. [01:27:14] Speaker C: Good point, good point, good point, good point, good point. [01:27:17] Speaker B: They don't, zombies don't clean their fingernails enough. [01:27:19] Speaker C: No, that'd be fine. Cuticles. [01:27:28] Speaker A: Cuticles. But did you see like. I did not. I definitely did not see Betsy getting killed like that surprised me big time. [01:27:40] Speaker B: I was, I think she was killed. [01:27:42] Speaker C: Yeah. I think this movie subverts itself enough or there are some enough subversions. And I don't know why I'm saying it's like that subversive, but, but I think there are enough things that are slightly different that it's like, yeah, I can see she's not going to make it. She's not going to be our final girl. Like in a traditional horror film where she gets the bad. She does, but she doesn't in the. [01:28:01] Speaker A: Sense that she also goes, that term doesn't exist. These tropes don't exist at this time. In 1981. These are all still, these are just people, like, trying to make yet to be defined slashers. And not even slashers like horror movies let's try to make. [01:28:16] Speaker C: They're not rules. They're writing. [01:28:18] Speaker A: Yeah, there's no rules set up. Um, but I was, I was truly surprised by that. And then Mars really sucks with candle placement. [01:28:32] Speaker C: Yeah, this is. But this Mars are similar. This is the cropsy legend. [01:28:40] Speaker B: Crops. [01:28:40] Speaker A: He sucks with candles too. [01:28:42] Speaker B: Oh, candles. Oh, sorry. Name something flammable. Stuff. [01:28:46] Speaker C: Yeah. It just handle flame very well. [01:28:53] Speaker A: So sad. And then fucking Richie. Fucking Richie. [01:28:59] Speaker C: Richie. [01:29:01] Speaker A: Mad. [01:29:02] Speaker C: Mad. [01:29:03] Speaker A: He's real. Do we wanna, do we have anything else we want to say? Do you want to sum up what we think about it? Make some recommendations or is there, is there anything else burning? Oh. [01:29:22] Speaker C: Before we get to recommendations, I will just say to Jan Claire, who plays Ellie, I got what you're going for. I was there with you. You didn't annoy me. [01:29:33] Speaker A: I have a problem with the actress. [01:29:36] Speaker B: I do. It was personal to me. [01:29:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:29:46] Speaker B: I'm not crazy about her bangs. [01:29:49] Speaker C: While we're at it, let's just look. Steve. [01:29:52] Speaker A: Well, it's pretty funny. When the car's going like a mile an hour, it runs into the tree and then she dramatically falls out, like, no, no. [01:30:00] Speaker C: I also thought it was funny. I was like, man, I was like, madman. Mars is keeping up with that car, no problem. Because he was not, like, hiding in the back or riding on the side. He was just running beside it, like, hello. [01:30:11] Speaker A: Not even running. [01:30:12] Speaker C: Like, just walk, leisurely walking and pull this guy out of the car. No, I thought, I thought Ellie had some pretty strong moments in this film. I am a team out. I'm Team Ellie. [01:30:28] Speaker B: Oh, it's like, which one? So wait, Mickey, you're an Ellie? Michael Angelo. Are you a. Are you a Betsy? [01:30:35] Speaker C: He's a Stacy. [01:30:36] Speaker B: He's a Stacey. [01:30:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm a Betsy. [01:30:41] Speaker C: I love Betsy too. There's. There is no one or the other for me. I just think that Ellie, like, when she's out there with Bill looking at the moon, I was like, I get her. I see her fucking in the tent. [01:30:55] Speaker B: They're really. They're really cute. The way they, like, hold hands and stuff. [01:30:58] Speaker A: Like, you couple. I like how, like, in love they are and how, like, like. [01:31:03] Speaker C: In that moment, she goes, she goes, oh, that's a beautiful moon. I was waiting for her to be, like, break into suddenly Seymour. I don't know, she had that vibe, you know, that cute little voice with that, like, you know, looking at the moon. I was like this. Yeah, I like this Ellie. What? [01:31:25] Speaker A: That's. I don't know. I was a terrible. I gotta listen to her voice and then I can do it. Oh, what's her face from? What, what is her name? From, from Adrian. No, Adrian. [01:31:39] Speaker C: Yeah, Adrian is Adrian. Oh, come on. Come on, come on. About. I'm just like, I'm just a po, I'm just here working in the shop for you. [01:31:50] Speaker B: She's gotta go. [01:31:53] Speaker C: Standing beside. Yeah, she's great. [01:31:57] Speaker B: That's pretty good. Got a little like Betty boop in like, 1920s. [01:32:01] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:32:02] Speaker C: And that's where I thought Ellie was, Ellie was fit for me. [01:32:06] Speaker A: And your comparisons to some of these characters do not make sense to me. But hey, God bless you, bro. God bless you. [01:32:13] Speaker C: You know, there's at least, there's at least 10% of our audience that agrees with me. [01:32:18] Speaker B: I mean, Max is a real Apollo creed while we're at it, right? [01:32:21] Speaker C: Am I right? [01:32:25] Speaker A: Yep. [01:32:26] Speaker C: Yep. Makes total sense to me. [01:32:31] Speaker A: Mars is a real Daniel day Lewis from there will be blood. [01:32:36] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. For sure. [01:32:38] Speaker A: For sure. [01:32:41] Speaker B: More, more Mars. I think he wants to drink it up. [01:32:45] Speaker A: He wants to drink it up. Richie is Paul Dano. [01:32:49] Speaker C: Easily. [01:32:56] Speaker A: So, Chris, final thoughts and or recommendations? [01:33:04] Speaker B: No final thoughts. I recommend this for all of you fall camp goers. You want to get a nice camp experience right before the holidays, you're gonna, you need to kind of like watch madman as a tutorial on how to survive in the fall and in New York. I don't know. I recommend this to anyone who really likes, like, slashers, eighties films. I think it's fun. I don't think it's like really good or anything, but I really enjoyed watching it again, as I've reiterated, I think, a couple times in this little series, watch it by yourself. Make sure you don't have anyone with you. It's the only true way that you can enjoy this is by, everything in. [01:33:58] Speaker A: Life is better by yourself. [01:34:00] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, but I would, I would recommend this to any of your slasher fans also, too, if you, you know, are concerned about sending your child, maybe a daughter, off the camp and the inappropriate relationships that female counselors can have with them, you watch this film as a sad warning on what can happen with Betsy's inappropriate relationships. [01:34:26] Speaker A: Well, Mickey, Mickey, who are you recommending this to? Who comes into the store? What are your final thoughts? [01:34:34] Speaker C: Do you like Flannel? [01:34:37] Speaker B: Hell yeah. [01:34:41] Speaker C: Do you like cold nights? No. No, I'm not. [01:34:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:34:48] Speaker C: This is what I think of this film and I go back to the original like kind of thesis that I had for it. It is the most mature of the slasher films we've done in the series, but also the most childlike, the most whimsical. I think that this actually, even with the, the gratuitous, you know, boob shot of Galen Ross, which I think is actually not distasteful. Whether or not she was okay with it or not, it doesn't matter. [01:35:16] Speaker A: It's like, I don't think Tony Fish's buttock shot, but. [01:35:19] Speaker C: Okay, well, sure. But I'm saying that what it didn't feel in the sense that, like we're just gonna like, linger on her. It was like, come pretty quick. Yeah, it felt, it felt. It's, it is what it is. It was that rating we need. Yeah. So I think this is actually a great entry point to slasher films because films can be pretty intense with the, with the brutalization or with like, the murders and the kills. They can, you know, go on the side of being not torture porn, but like being pretty violent. And this is pretty mild in that sense. So for me, I see this as a great entry point to somebody says, like, I just don't like slashers. And you can watch this, you're not going to be, they're not crazy jump scares. There's not, you know, brutality. It is pretty mild in that respect. Um, there's great ambience for that campfire slasher vibe. So I do think that there is something that is campy enough and approachable enough for entry level slasher folks. This might be one of those, that it would be like those three films that say if you don't like slashers or you're worried about like, them being too much for you, too intense, this is a great one to start with because it gives you all that stuff without being gratuitous in its, in its violence, its nudity, its sexuality, all that stuff. So for that reason, id say amazing early entry slasher. For anybody who comes to the store. [01:36:51] Speaker B: The special effects are not like, bad, but they also kind of like, look like you could do at like, spirit Halloween store kind of special. You know what I mean, as well. [01:37:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I like it. I like, I like the whole homemade vibe of it. [01:37:06] Speaker C: Michelangelo, what do you, who are you recommending? [01:37:09] Speaker A: So for me, this, like, if we, if I compare it a little bit to the previous entries of our camp, not a Voorhees section. It's not sleazy like the burning and it's not ridiculous, over the top shenanigans like Sleepaway camp. It's a cozy, basic movie that captures a time and a place perfectly, in my opinion. I love it for what it is and I won't celebrate it for something that it's not agree. I don't think it's. It's not a masterpiece, but it's a solid, reliable eighties camp slasher. And it is in. In my permanent, pertinent, perfect atmosphere section. Background movies for the fall section and cozy fall. Fall sleep section in my personal collection at home. It's like I like to. I don't know. There are people like this in the world. But, like, you like that. Like fall asleep to the sound of a movie. I particularly like sort of like slow horror films. And this is just like such a cozy fall camp. Like, like you. Your word, whimsical Mickey was perfect for it, I think. It's just like. It's like this is. This is the campfire that I can set and fall asleep to. [01:38:25] Speaker C: It's. [01:38:25] Speaker A: It's put it on during a party. What is this? I haven't seen this. Yeah, it's a small. [01:38:33] Speaker C: It's a s'more. [01:38:34] Speaker A: It's a s'more. Yeah, it's a smore. Although I don't like s'mores, but I like your analogy. I get what you're saying. So, yeah, I think it's essential viewing for anyone who enjoys slashers. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it as your first, uh, but I definitely don't disagree with what you said, mickey. It's. It's like, it's. It's a part of my essential viewing at this point. And I can't wait to. It's out, mom. I'll be this, this October. I'll definitely be watching. I'll have this on at some point. It's. I think this would be good to have for carving pumpkins as well. It's not very Halloween II, but it is very fall. Yeah. [01:39:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:39:21] Speaker A: So despite the fact that they were spray painting leaves during the production to make it look like. Like there was still some life in the trees. [01:39:32] Speaker C: No, there. When it comes to wardrobe, the. The movie is great on, like, what should you wear in the fall? That little sweater vest outfit, Bill. Sweater vest. Come on. [01:39:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:39:47] Speaker C: That's beautiful. [01:39:48] Speaker A: TP's jacket. His fisherman sweater. [01:39:51] Speaker C: Like everyone's next to that yellow truck. [01:39:54] Speaker B: She looks Mars overalls. [01:39:57] Speaker A: Yeah. You can easily be madman Mars. [01:40:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:40:03] Speaker A: Ellie's. [01:40:03] Speaker C: Ellie's red face. [01:40:05] Speaker A: Betsy's knife in her inner belt. Little knife holster. She has the way her hair is sort of like braided. That little section. That's braided. Single braid. Richie's jackets. Awesome. [01:40:19] Speaker C: Ellie's jacket, that, that like, army green jacket she wears. [01:40:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:40:22] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. [01:40:23] Speaker A: She. [01:40:23] Speaker C: The wardrobe is fantastic. [01:40:25] Speaker A: Mustache. [01:40:27] Speaker C: No. Bill's mustache, that red, like, shirt with that, like, um. I'm gonna say it's like alpaca, like ski vest. [01:40:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Good, good, good. But, like. Like we mentioned, some of our episodes are available, or will be available, depending on when you listen this on YouTube through Red Tower and the amazing artists at negative kitty. [01:40:51] Speaker C: Thank you, negative kitty. [01:40:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you, Red Tower. Thank you, Mickey, for editing this and co hosting and running this video. Source me, Chris, you go fuck yourself. No one cares about you and probably Galen Ross anymore. Thank you, Galen Ross, for. [01:41:10] Speaker C: For existing, consistent thing that we talk about on this podcast. [01:41:14] Speaker A: You're gay. [01:41:15] Speaker B: Little Haas, for being a thing that men talk about. [01:41:18] Speaker A: That men talk about. What was your cocktail? Was your spooky cocktail, Chris. [01:41:24] Speaker B: Oh, madman Mars. Familiar side quencher. [01:41:28] Speaker A: Yeah, let's make a couple more of those and watch crops beat up Albert. [01:41:33] Speaker C: Yeah, that's funny. [01:41:35] Speaker A: And then watched the crying game, which apparently ripped off sleepaway camp. Yeah. Thank you, everybody. Happy summer, and we'll see you soon. We love you. Thank you for listening.