Teen Wolf (1985)

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome to the return slot of Horror, a podcast set in the basement of a video store much like the one from your youth, a place where Mickey, Marika, and Michelangelo hang out after hours, talk about horror films, and can't seem to agree on much other than their love for the genre. So grab a drink, be careful on the stairs, and don't be the last one left in the basement at the end of the night. [00:00:40] Speaker B: Welcome, listener, to the return slot of horror. [00:00:50] Speaker C: Now we are. [00:00:51] Speaker B: Yeah, that was great, listener. We have to modify how we say it because our mics always drop out is the term. Is that what it's called? [00:01:00] Speaker C: Well, they peak, and when they peak, the server shuts it off. It doesn't let it peak. [00:01:08] Speaker B: When I peak, my server shuts it off. You know what I'm saying? [00:01:11] Speaker C: I'm always taking a peek and my server is turning it on, baby. [00:01:17] Speaker B: We are a podcast recorded in the basement of the video store we own and operate after hours. When the doors are locked, the vhs are rewound, and the moon is glowing pale blue on a brisk and breezy night, we like to hang out in the basement, crack open a drink, and discuss our beloved genre, horror. Now horror has intrigued, disturbed, delighted, aroused, and confused us. We are totally helplessly in love with it. So every episode, we invite you, listener, to join us for a drink as we discuss a film selected from one of our painstakingly curated subsections of the video store. Now, for those of you who weren't lucky enough to have grown up with an independent video store, Mickey, can you sort of explain our store and the subsections that I'm speaking? [00:02:09] Speaker C: So, for those who don't know, before there was a vast libraries of content on streaming services, there was the video store where you had to go and select a movie to watch for the night. If you were lucky and your parents let you, you could choose mini movies. But for guys like me, what we loved, especially Michelangelo, too, we loved the independent stores. These are the ones where you get a lot of flavor, you get a lot of personality. And these sections could be curated by just some employee that decided to make a section that makes absolutely no sense, but to the employee. But it made it feel like a place where you could go and have a conversation and learn new things, watch new fun films, and then share your experiences with them. So that's what we're trying to bring to you now. We hope that you enjoy perusing our sections and joining in on our conversations. [00:03:03] Speaker B: Well put. So you could spend all day trying to find, like, monster squad but what section might you find that in? [00:03:12] Speaker C: Well, obviously that's going to be in child frights, because it frightened me when I was a child. [00:03:17] Speaker B: Yes, and me as well. So this week we find ourselves in. [00:03:22] Speaker C: The. [00:03:25] Speaker B: Wolf section of the video store. Now, are we film critics? [00:03:32] Speaker C: Absolutely not. [00:03:33] Speaker B: Are we doing a deep analysis of the film, sharing all of the little histories of how it was made and all that stuff? No, we're just humble video store clerks shining a light on our love, thoughts, experiences connected to these films and how they've affected our lives. So, trigger warning, right? Now, if you've clicked on this and you're not a constant listener, you clicked on it because you like the movie we're about to talk about. Now, we ask you to please not be offended if one of us has a question or perhaps even a critical thought or two about the film that you love dearly so much. We love the films, typically, right. At least one of us is obsessed with the film. And any criticisms or questions are coming from a place of wanting to understand and love. So that's what we're doing. So I just want to get that out of the way so we could just enjoy ourselves and have a good time and know, listener, that you're in safe hands right now. Humble, safe hands. Now, usually it's Mickey, myself, and the other co owner of the video store, Marika, but she unfortunately is upstairs working again. But we have a special guest again, a returning guest. [00:05:00] Speaker C: Yeah, Mickey, would you like to do. [00:05:02] Speaker B: The intro for our special love to. [00:05:04] Speaker C: So joining us tonight is the super talented, super, pretty, super. Listen, just. It's my wife Molly is joining us again for another round of the return to slot of horror podcast. I'm very, very happy that you're here with us. I thought that it was only fitting that after doing ginger snaps that you get to jump in on this film. Molly? Molly, are you there? [00:05:33] Speaker A: Can you hear me? [00:05:34] Speaker B: Molly, stop. Yeah, she was chugging. She was chugging her drink. Pace yourself. Pace yourself. [00:05:39] Speaker A: I thought, I'm going to be the one to get this howl in here. So I tried to howl. [00:05:45] Speaker C: It just peeks too much. The mics don't like it. [00:05:49] Speaker B: We're going to have to put in like Mickey. Mickey, who's also our editor, just put in some house for us. [00:05:56] Speaker C: Okay? We're going to howl throughout this whole thing. This thing's going to be a howling. [00:06:02] Speaker B: Molly, who you will recognize from the top of every episode because she does our intro. We're so happy and delighted that you came back for what I think is a good two hander with the film we're going to be talking about tonight. So thank you for coming back. [00:06:21] Speaker A: Thanks for having me back. I like this werewolf therewolf theme so much that I had to rejoin. [00:06:30] Speaker B: So before we get into the film we're discussing, we like to discuss our films over a drink. So what are we drinking tonight, gang? [00:06:41] Speaker C: Molly, why don't you. [00:06:43] Speaker A: Mine's a. I'll keep the reason why I'm drinking this for a little bit later, but I'm having a whiskey sour. [00:06:54] Speaker B: Oh, okay. And you're going to explain that? [00:06:59] Speaker A: Explain? Yeah, I mean, I guess I could explain now. [00:07:02] Speaker C: You can explain it now? [00:07:03] Speaker B: Yeah. All right. [00:07:07] Speaker A: Yeah. So I decided to have a whiskey sour, number one, because it's delicious. And number two, one of the most standout moments in this movie is the coach eating the hard boiled egg while coaching. And just. Yeah, I don't know. I was like, oh, God, so gross. But an egg white is delicious in a whiskey sour. [00:07:34] Speaker C: Yes. That's what makes her yours unique. She puts an egg white in her whiskey sour. [00:07:39] Speaker B: Okay. I was wondering. I was confused. I was like, is he drinking a whiskey sour? [00:07:45] Speaker A: I just didn't want to be eating a hard boiled egg while we were podcasting, so I thought I would just throw out a little tribute to the egg. Throw a little in my drink. [00:07:54] Speaker B: I appreciate that. I appreciate that. They kind of stink up the joint. The basement has a unique smell already. [00:08:02] Speaker C: We don't need to add eggs to it. The patina of this patina, it is something. [00:08:12] Speaker B: I've been cultivating that smell for years. [00:08:15] Speaker C: For years. [00:08:17] Speaker B: I like how you said it, Mickey. It's a patina. It's like a great pair of work boots or a leather jacket or something. [00:08:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:26] Speaker B: All right, Mickey, did you. Did you prepare a spooky cocktail? Do we have a spooky cocktail this week? [00:08:31] Speaker C: I did not have time to do a spooky cocktail. I'm so sorry. [00:08:35] Speaker B: That's okay, man. That's okay. Not every week. [00:08:39] Speaker A: Mine was also very last minute thrown. [00:08:43] Speaker B: Saying, we just got to come up with a name for your whiskey sour. That ties in with the movie. That's all we really need to do. Yeah. [00:08:50] Speaker A: What's the coach's name? [00:08:52] Speaker C: I don't even know. [00:08:54] Speaker B: Coach Finstock, portrayed by Jay Tarsies. [00:08:58] Speaker A: Okay, great. It's a finstock sour. Finnstock sour. [00:09:01] Speaker B: There we go. [00:09:02] Speaker C: That makes it sound, like, fancy and european. [00:09:07] Speaker B: This week's spooky cocktail is finstock sour. Very nice. So, Mickey, what are you drinking there? What's in that. [00:09:17] Speaker C: Well, I'm actually double it. I got my go to my mainstay, my boof, you might call it. And that is what she said. That is a grapefruit. [00:09:37] Speaker A: That is my grapefruit, and one of them is my boof. [00:09:41] Speaker B: We're going to talk about boofing later. [00:09:43] Speaker C: Yeah, we will be getting into boofing, but that's the grapefruit IPA. And then on top of that, I got my, what I guess you would call a pamela. It is a tequila with seltzer with soda called a grapefruit, or it's a grapefruit and orange tequila soda called faux paw. Faux paw does not sponsor us, but we're open to it. [00:10:03] Speaker B: We're open to all sponsors at any time. Any sponsor, assuming you're not spreading hate. [00:10:11] Speaker A: Assuming that. And please, no racist companies. [00:10:15] Speaker B: It's sad that we live in a time where you really have to specify something like that. [00:10:20] Speaker A: Maybe not all. Maybe not open to all. [00:10:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I remember this was like maybe 15 years ago. I was out at a bar and there was this guy, and he had a pin on his jean jacket, speaking of 80s movies. And it had the nazi symbol but with an x on it, like, no Nazis. And I thought, what a douchey pin. And little did I know, like 15 years later, I'm like, oh, I guess there is relevance here to this because it's like, yeah, it's not. Okay, anyways, off the subject here. What am I drinking tonight? [00:10:57] Speaker C: Yeah, Michelangelo, what are you drinking? [00:10:59] Speaker A: What are you drinking tonight? I'm having a keg of beer. [00:11:10] Speaker B: How is that? [00:11:11] Speaker C: Oh, it's perfect. [00:11:12] Speaker A: Oh, great. [00:11:13] Speaker B: Is that audible? [00:11:15] Speaker C: It came in completely. [00:11:16] Speaker B: I'm not allowed to talk like that in the house. It scares my partner Allie. She hates it. The cats get scared by it. [00:11:25] Speaker C: It's your wolf man. You got to wolf out sometimes. [00:11:28] Speaker B: I got to wolf out. And I am going to wolf out tonight with you guys because we are talking kega beer and my keg of beer. We're talking about 1985 american coming of age lichenthropy sports comedy filled with a dash of horror. Teen wolf, written by Jeff Flobe and Matthew Weisman, directed by Rob Daniel, and, of course, starring Michael J. Fox, James Hampton, Susan Yurcetti as boof, Jerry Levine, Matt Adler, Mark Arnold, Jay Tarsus, amongst others. A brilliant cast of people. [00:12:15] Speaker C: You got to say Mark Holton. Did you say Mark Holton? [00:12:19] Speaker B: Mark Holton. I did not. I'm sorry. I did not say mark Holton. I'm sorry. [00:12:23] Speaker C: Mark Holton. [00:12:24] Speaker B: Many of us will recognize him from Pewee's big adventure? [00:12:27] Speaker C: And leprechaun. [00:12:29] Speaker B: And Leprechaun. [00:12:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:34] Speaker C: So I got to ask, what the hell are we doing watching this movie for the return slot of horror? Tell me why we are here doing this. [00:12:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:47] Speaker B: Okay. [00:12:48] Speaker A: What's the dash of horror? [00:12:55] Speaker B: That scene in the bathroom is pretty scary. [00:12:58] Speaker A: Just friendly neighborhood werewolf. [00:13:01] Speaker C: If your dash of horror is his wolf transformation, I may question that. I may question. [00:13:06] Speaker B: Okay, well, we'll get to, but. Okay, so we were talking about werewolf movies, and I said I wanted to do this. Mickey, you and I agreed this really isn't a horror film like Mickey. Sometimes you pick a film that maybe doesn't necessarily fit into the section. I like to pick films that aren't necessarily horror. We did an episode on legend, right? Not necessarily horror, although probably more horror than this. This is really a coming of age sports comedy. [00:13:43] Speaker A: Many disappointed horror fans. [00:13:47] Speaker B: Well, if you were like me growing up and you couldn't watch horror movies because they were very scary, this is a good entry point for you because it does have werewolves. [00:13:56] Speaker C: Okay. [00:13:57] Speaker A: Right. Werewolves. So cool, right? Vastly different from ginger snaps. Wait, boy werewolves have it so much better than girl werewolves. [00:14:11] Speaker B: Yes, I totally agree. So my sort of explanation of why teen wolf. Okay, so while not exactly a horror film, I feel that this is a great follow up film to 2000 ginger snaps. Agree. [00:14:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:28] Speaker B: While that film so elegantly uses lycanthropy as a metaphor for what a young girl goes through as she becomes a woman, teen wolf teaches us one must have respect and belief in who you really are and not some fantasy born out of celebrity and success. And that sometimes we inherit things from our families that we have to accept. But by no means does it have to define who we are or who we will become. But it's wrapped up in this silly, entertaining, fast movie, coming of age sports comedy. I think the. [00:15:08] Speaker C: Go ahead, Michelangelo. That description of this movie might be the best description I've ever heard for this movie. It was so good. It was so good. [00:15:19] Speaker B: Oh, let me finish. Thank you. I'm going to ruin it now. I'm going to gild the lily. The characters in this movie are broad caricatures of people we all know in real life, but I think they are played with specificity by amazing actors, including the best extras possibly in film history. Shot in a mere 21 days for a budget of 1.2 million. [00:15:47] Speaker C: Really? [00:15:48] Speaker B: With a very fly by the seat of your pants production. It's a tight script, efficiently and wonderfully directed with an extremely talented cast and a top notch editing by Lois Friedman Fox. The sort of the heartbeat at the top right, where we get the black, the classic black intro with the black and white title sequence. The heartbeat. That was Lois Friedman Fox. That was her idea. She was an instrumental part, according to the director Ron Daniel, in shaping what this seemingly silly movie that shouldn't have worked or shouldn't have become a huge success or a cult hit became in. [00:16:39] Speaker A: Lesser hands would have been pretty ridiculous. [00:16:42] Speaker B: Yeah. And this is a first time film director. He had done a lot of television. This is, I believe, a first time feature film script. This is a lot of first for people and amongst the cast of some of the younger people. And I'm going to get into some details because I think it makes it interesting, giving it context. But I would love to know if you guys have any history with this movie and what were your reactions watching it this time? Sort of like a general what you pulled from it. Molly, would you like to go? [00:17:24] Speaker A: Yeah. So I told Mickey when we started watching this, I was like, yeah, I don't think I ever watched it start to. And so it was my first time watching it in its entirety. So maybe for the same reasons that people weren't watching ginger snaps, I wasn't watching Teen Wolf. You know. [00:17:44] Speaker B: Could you elaborate on that for those who didn't listen to ginger snaps? [00:17:48] Speaker A: Well, it's about basketball. It's about a teenage boy going through something, and it's not really, like, female appealing. I don't know, for the same reasons that maybe Ginger snaps was a little off putting to the boy crowd because it talks about periods and turning into a werewolf when you're on a period just wasn't my, like, I wasn't like, I gotta see. It's not a movie that you watch at a sleepover. You know what I mean? For girls. [00:18:20] Speaker B: For girls, yeah, this is definitely a sleepover movie for boys. Yeah. But this is sort of like the thing that makes us what we are is like we're bringing our personal experiences to it. So this is your experience growing up with this and experiencing it as you're watching it. So it's totally valid, obviously. [00:18:46] Speaker A: Yeah. And I mean, I knew of it because I kept telling Mickey, I was like, oh, and then he gets on top of the van and he surfs as the werewolf. I know it. So it was probably on at some point, but it wasn't a movie that I was like, I'm going to sit down and watch Teen wolf. [00:19:01] Speaker B: Fair. That makes a lot of sense. I would have never have watched ginger snaps. [00:19:06] Speaker A: As a kid, what year did it come out? [00:19:07] Speaker B: What year is 1985? [00:19:10] Speaker A: See also. Yeah. I mean, I was two. [00:19:13] Speaker C: Yeah. And Michael J. Fox wasn't like, your age group's heart. [00:19:20] Speaker A: Right. Well, Michael J. Fox was more back to the future. Right. For like, when I was a kid. [00:19:27] Speaker B: That brings up some stuff because I'm going to talk about that in a. But yes, yes. Back to the future for you. Did you have a positive experience watching it this time, Molly? Like all the way such, when it. [00:19:43] Speaker A: Was over, Mickey, I can't remember what I said. I was like, such an easy watch. Not a horror, but like, such an easy watch. [00:19:50] Speaker B: Yeah, not horror. [00:19:55] Speaker A: But it has werewolves, so horror ish. You could be tricked into thinking it's a horror film. [00:20:02] Speaker B: It's got a sprinkle in there. It's like just a hint, a note, an aftertaste of horror. [00:20:10] Speaker A: He does talk about werewolf things, like, what am I going to do? Like, go eat. What does he say? [00:20:16] Speaker B: Chickens. [00:20:17] Speaker A: Eat chickens. Gives you the imagination of those things. [00:20:21] Speaker B: He has that weird dream. [00:20:23] Speaker C: Chase fire trucks. Chasing fire trucks. [00:20:25] Speaker A: Fire trucks. [00:20:28] Speaker B: He's got that weird dream that boofs in where he's like, you were there and it was a chicken coop and they were really big chickens. He doesn't really fully go into describing that dream, but it sounds like a dream where it's like it was violent and sexual and weird. And I don't know what this means about what it says about who I am, but, yeah, mickey, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [00:20:57] Speaker A: That's easy for you to say. [00:21:03] Speaker B: Please, what's your history? And what was it like watching it this time? [00:21:08] Speaker C: Well, I think that you and I, you're a middle child, right? [00:21:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:13] Speaker C: And I'm the youngest, so your older? More. Was he a teen wolf fan? [00:21:24] Speaker B: It's hard to have been a kid and not be a Michael J. Fox fan, but my brother and I didn't have the greatest relationship growing up. This was also when I saw this as a kid. This was also during a period of my life where it was a movie, so it was good, you know what I mean? Before you realize that movies could be disappointing, it was just like, it's a movie. So I enjoy this, even if it was, it was in heavy rotation on television and rentals. [00:21:58] Speaker C: My older brothers, this was their movie. This was Chad, my older brother, Chad, this was his movie. I mean, this was like, they watched it all the time. I watched it with them. I shared this with Molly the other night that this was such a big movie as a kid growing up that my brother. It was such a scandalous thing that happened in our small town. My brother got on top of a van and surfed a van around our neighborhood. [00:22:24] Speaker B: I always wanted to do that. [00:22:25] Speaker A: I said, boys are so dumb. Boys are dumb. [00:22:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:31] Speaker C: But it made my parents viscerally angry at this film, at actual emotions towards this film of, like, this is an awful film. And the neighborhood was like, maybe don't. [00:22:42] Speaker A: Be so angry at the film, just be angry at your brother. [00:22:46] Speaker C: Yeah, but the small, little eastern Texas town I was growing up in were like, we really got to be careful of teen wolf. [00:22:53] Speaker B: Of all the. [00:22:54] Speaker C: Like, my mom was having me watch the shining with her. But this was a movie that drew. [00:22:59] Speaker B: Serious fire from all the old people. [00:23:02] Speaker C: In the small town I was growing up. And it was because my brother got spotted surfing on top of a van. They probably weren't even going that fast through our neighborhood. And it was like, scandalous. [00:23:15] Speaker B: It's a pretty dumb thing to do. It's a pretty dumb thing. [00:23:18] Speaker A: It's pretty dumb. But he did it. And he didn't get hurt, did he? [00:23:21] Speaker C: No, he was fine. [00:23:22] Speaker A: Yeah, see? Fine. [00:23:26] Speaker C: But also, as a young man watching that, as a young boy, I wasn't a young man. I was a boy. I was a young boy. As a little kid watching that and watching teen wolf, I ended up in a situation in 8th grade where I rode on the back of a vehicle while I was going, like, 35, 45, and I fell off. And it actually really did hurt me. [00:23:47] Speaker A: I repeat, as the mother of boys, boys are. [00:23:51] Speaker C: The adults had a point. The adults had a point. [00:23:54] Speaker A: Like, girls would be like, oh, my God, that's so dumb. Why are you doing that? [00:23:58] Speaker B: Because I don't know. I don't know. You like it, though? Do you like it? [00:24:04] Speaker C: Have you ever seen Teen Wolf? Have you ever seen Teen Wolf? It's like, this is what you do before you go. It's like these guys get girls, and the only way they get girls is by riding on top of a car. [00:24:15] Speaker B: I lost my mind as a kid when that scene happened. I always wanted to do that. I loved the Beach Boys. I loved the word cowabunga. Obviously, I loved Michael J. Fox. I thought it was a brilliant choice by the filmmakers. I think a lot of movies about teenagers try to capture something like that along with the party scene that we'll get into later. And most of the time I think they fail and it feels forced. But I think this captured this time and this place at that age perfectly. And a lot of that has to do with the fact that a. The van surfing thing was a thing that the writers did, odly enough, at Columbia University in New York on Avenue, like, in New York is where they did it. That is crazy. But also. [00:25:09] Speaker A: Shall I say it again? [00:25:11] Speaker B: Yeah. You're still a boy when you're in college. You're a boy you can buy. That's. That's what that like. When I was doing research for this, I found somebody who had wrote an article about the irresponsibility of the. What movies teach us at that time and how irresponsible they are. And they talk about all the things in this film that what kids are learning and how bad it is for them. But I think it's realistic. [00:25:41] Speaker C: I agree, because it is doing things that are controversial, because it's doing things that are dumb. It's showing kids to be what they are. They're experimenting. They're figuring things out. [00:25:50] Speaker A: Can I tell you something that's not dumb? [00:25:52] Speaker B: Yes. [00:25:53] Speaker A: Adding two bada Bing cherries to the bottom of your whiskey sour, because by the time you get to the bottom and you get to the cherry, it is covered in all that frothy goodness. It is delicious. [00:26:07] Speaker B: Is that a metaphor? [00:26:09] Speaker A: Bada Bing cherries. Do not sponsor this podcast, though we are open to it. Is that what I'm supposed to. [00:26:16] Speaker C: Yes. [00:26:17] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Back to the show. Go ahead. [00:26:20] Speaker B: Everything Molly says has been carefully written by Mickey. [00:26:30] Speaker A: Just here enjoying my cherries. Guys. [00:26:37] Speaker B: How did this movie make you feel? Guys, how did it make you feel? What did it bring up? What you love? What questions do you have? Let's get into know. [00:26:46] Speaker C: It's fun. It's a fun movie. I love Michael J. Fox. I love the relationship between him and Booth. I think that was something that spoke to me as a young kid when I watched it. And then I watched it again the other day, and I was like, you know what? I still like that relationship with the two of are. I think my thing is, you're right. It does capture high school pretty well, especially small town. I know that it's different if you're like, I know that situation is not the same for somebody who grew up in New York City necessarily, but definitely seemed like the small towns I grew up in. [00:27:22] Speaker A: Can I ask a question? [00:27:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:25] Speaker A: Is it boof or booth? [00:27:28] Speaker C: Boof. [00:27:29] Speaker A: Boof with the f. That's what I thought. Okay. [00:27:32] Speaker B: Which is hilarious now, because do you guys know what. [00:27:39] Speaker A: I mean? I think so. [00:27:44] Speaker B: Well, I want to hear what Molly thinks. [00:27:46] Speaker A: It know. I don't. [00:27:49] Speaker B: Lady. [00:27:49] Speaker A: Lady Gaga talks about. [00:27:53] Speaker B: Does she? Does I don't know. [00:27:56] Speaker C: I find that surprising. Yeah. [00:27:58] Speaker A: In one of her songs, right? Maybe not. [00:28:03] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:28:04] Speaker A: Maybe not. Okay, we're going to look it up. [00:28:08] Speaker B: What's boofing? For those who might not know, I. [00:28:11] Speaker C: Thought that it was putting stuff in your anus. [00:28:15] Speaker B: Well, I think it's, like, blowing. So it's like blowing stuff in your anus. So it's like you would take a puff of a joint or whatever and then blow that smoke into someone's asshole. I don't know if it's a real thing. [00:28:32] Speaker C: I thought boofing was putting drugs in your anus and then having anal sex. [00:28:36] Speaker A: Would we like the official, like, the top line of the Google search? [00:28:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:41] Speaker C: Okay. What? [00:28:42] Speaker A: Okay, what does boofing mean? Boofing is slang for anal sex. The term can also be used to refer to the practice of putting alcohol or drugs up one's butt to get. [00:28:51] Speaker C: That's what I thought. [00:28:52] Speaker B: There you go. [00:28:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:53] Speaker A: You're welcome. [00:28:54] Speaker C: But here's the thing, and I want to say this before we get too carried away into that boofing, that something you said about surfing and listening to the Beach Boys and that these writers that lived that experience wrote that in because I was like, I had the same feeling of watching. I was like, I love that song. But wasn't an 80s song. It's like, boofing also for that particular generation was just like, sex. I've heard guys use the word boof that are older in terms of just. Yeah, we boofed for sex, for just having, like, really? [00:29:31] Speaker B: I never heard that before in my life. Is this a southern thing? [00:29:35] Speaker A: Maybe. [00:29:35] Speaker C: It might be. [00:29:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:38] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:29:40] Speaker C: But still, it's an awful name for her. Do we ever even get a real name for her, or is it just mean? [00:29:47] Speaker A: No, that's it. Right? She. [00:29:48] Speaker B: She apparently has a name. I can't remember it. She has, like, a regular name, but that's her nickname. Everyone calls her boof. [00:29:57] Speaker C: And Styles is styles, even though you never really get a real name for him either. [00:30:01] Speaker B: Jerry Levine. So, Mickey, you're a fan of it's always sunny in Philadelphia. Are you aware that Jerry Levine has directed a lot of episodes, especially iconic ones, of that show? [00:30:16] Speaker C: I did not know that, but that does not surprise me. If Jerry Levine is even remotely like, I love. I love styles. [00:30:26] Speaker B: In fact, there is an episode where Mac wears a t shirt that says, what are you looking at? Dick knows. [00:30:33] Speaker A: Oh, wait, that's something I wanted to talk about. [00:30:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:37] Speaker A: What are you looking at? Dick knows. No, what I wanted to talk about is the t shirt collection of Teen Wolf. I want all of it. I want the purple one that says Teen Wolf in red. I want the. What are you looking at, dicknose? I want the life sucks, then you die. And then he had on another shirt, and I don't know, I didn't catch what it said, but I want the whole collection. [00:30:58] Speaker B: He's got some great shirts in this. [00:31:01] Speaker C: They're fantastic. [00:31:02] Speaker B: And you can get all of them on, I think. Redbubble. You can get any kind of t shirt on redbubble. [00:31:08] Speaker A: And I didn't mean to actually look it up today, and I forgot, so I'm glad I just did myself. [00:31:15] Speaker B: How about the dragons at the. They're at that top of the movie. They're playing the dragon Dragons. Those uniforms. Everyone on that team looks like they're college basketball players. And their uniforms are reminiscent of, like, the Chicago Bulls, which just adds to the seemingly impossible task of ever beating them. Like dragons versus the Beavers. [00:31:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:40] Speaker B: It's like the perfect team for a Michael J. [00:31:43] Speaker C: Fox. Well, it touches on your efficiency of writing. It's like, how do we just know? Let's cut some corners and make it real obvious. The dragons versus the Beavers. It's these uniforms. The coach says it's the shoes. [00:31:57] Speaker A: If you put shoes like that, we'd be winning every game or whatever. [00:32:02] Speaker B: He says, if our guys had sneakers like that, there's no telling what we could do. Coach Finn stock, not an actor. Not an actor. He was a big part of the Bob Newhart show. He was mostly a writer and a comedian that the director wanted for that part. The director, there's a commentary that he does, and I think, mickey, you would love the director. He's like a good old boy. He served in the military, okay? He's like a real blue collar type director. No artsy fartsy stuff there. And watching the commentary with him is very enlightening and very humorous. There's a lot of downtime. There's a lot of time of him just watching it. And he mentioned some really interesting things. One thing I would love to bring up is we were talking about back to the future. So Michael J. Fox, he's doing family ties, right? He's like a star from that, right? The woman who plays his mother, I believe the mother goes on maternity leave. This gives him a little gap, a little flexibility in his schedule. So he does Teen wolf, right? Okay, now he's doing Teen wolf, okay? But at the same time, he's doing Teen wolf throughout that production. Eric Stoltz gets fired from back to the future. [00:33:33] Speaker C: Amazing. [00:33:33] Speaker B: And Michael J. Fox, who was originally wanted, becomes available. So Michael J. Fox goes and takes the job, and he's shooting basically, like, all day on Teen Wolf. And then he would be shuttled over to back to the future and do night shoots on back to the future. Something you can only do when you're like, 21, right? [00:33:56] Speaker A: Yeah. And you have no other responsibilities. [00:34:00] Speaker B: So Teen Wolf is finished. And in fact, I believe his house is Lorraine's house. I think that was the connection between the films. He had heard it was going on Michael J. Fox and found out about. Anyways, it's a whole story. It's interesting stuff. But the point is they finished Teen Wolf before back to the future. But the smart people behind Teen Wolf were like, let's wait until back to the future comes out. That thing is going to be huge that year. Fucking number one movie at the box office, back to the future. Number two, Teen Wolf. Teen wolf. [00:34:46] Speaker A: Wow, that's so smart. [00:34:48] Speaker B: Pretty crazy. [00:34:49] Speaker C: And the one thing that's great about Teen Wolf is that Michael J. Fox is very. [00:35:00] Speaker B: Oh, for sure. [00:35:01] Speaker C: I just think that he shines as being a nice, pleasant guy that gets allowed to do some things that maybe aren't nice and pleasant, and still you're. [00:35:12] Speaker A: Like. [00:35:14] Speaker C: Yeah, he projects himself as somebody that intentions are always good. [00:35:19] Speaker B: Well, he's such a good boy. He's a little oblivious, but he's got a good heart. Like that scene at the dinner table with his dad. First of all, I think you get that relationship so easily. You understand that relationship. And Styles comes, he shows up right before the dad's about to tell him that he's a werewolf. Right. And Styles shows up, and he's going to leave. And he asks his dad if it's okay that he leaves without cleaning the table. It's just, you know, from that one. Oh, he's a good boy. He's a good boy. [00:35:52] Speaker C: I also, they never really touch on what happened to the. [00:35:56] Speaker A: No, no, they don't. [00:35:58] Speaker C: But without writing it, without exposition or anything like that, where my mind went was like, these two guys, they suffered a loss. [00:36:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:08] Speaker C: They went through it together, and they have a deep patience and love for one another because of maybe a shared experience like that. No writing, no thing needed to do it. It's just something that you can draw from that. Or I was able to draw from that because of their comfort with one another, to have honest conversations. Yeah. [00:36:35] Speaker A: And the dad's just also, he's just so nice. [00:36:37] Speaker C: James Hampton, no, he's great. [00:36:40] Speaker A: He's just such a nice guy until he's not. Until he has to put that werewolf. [00:36:44] Speaker B: Face on and make him piss himself. [00:36:48] Speaker C: Because you know what? And I said this, I was like, in the absence. In the absence of a mama bear. [00:36:54] Speaker A: You can eat a daddy wolf. [00:36:56] Speaker C: You get a daddy wolf. [00:37:00] Speaker A: Are you stealing? [00:37:01] Speaker C: I'm not stealing. Told. I said to you. I said, in the absence of a mama bear, you get. [00:37:06] Speaker A: You need a daddy wolf. [00:37:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:09] Speaker B: See, this is why you guys are such a perfect couple. You compliment each other so well that you create this amazing saying. [00:37:16] Speaker A: Yeah. See, should that be a t shirt? That should be a teen wolf t shirt. I think that should be a mama bear. You need a daddy wolf. [00:37:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I could see that t shirt being problematic, though. It seems like maybe it's, like, antifeminist in some way. [00:37:33] Speaker A: It's not a real thing yet, so it's okay. [00:37:36] Speaker B: Speaking of simpler times and different times, that bowl of popcorn at the cash register at the hardware store, just dive. [00:37:46] Speaker A: Your hand right in. [00:37:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Random hands, just in the popcorn. Plus, I don't know if you noticed a. There's, like, jars of what I think is honey and then a spoon. So I think it's just like, hey, sample the honey. Everyone's just, like, using the same spoon. It's okay. It's Nebraska. It's definitely not la, is it? [00:38:06] Speaker A: Nebraska? [00:38:07] Speaker B: I don't think it's set in Nebraska, but they definitely shot it. You can see in the surfing scenes, the palm trees. It's a thing that I totally bought as a kid and that now you can see that stuff in the background. You can see the palm trees. It happens with Halloween. [00:38:24] Speaker C: How about Mick? [00:38:25] Speaker B: What did we think of Mick? [00:38:26] Speaker C: The bad guy, broadly written but well acted. [00:38:32] Speaker A: Also looks like he's 25. [00:38:36] Speaker C: A lot of them do. A lot of them do. [00:38:39] Speaker A: And they were movies in the 80s always portray, like. And I say always. I don't know if this is true, but it's like, you see all the teenagers are played by, like, 25 and 30 year olds. I'm like, okay, they definitely have a family at home. They are definitely not 17. Yeah, they look so old. I kept telling Mickey, I was like, they just look so old. They look like established adults. The one girl at the party is wearing a pearl necklace and a blazer with shoulder pads. [00:39:11] Speaker B: I think we used to look older as a society. [00:39:14] Speaker A: Well, I said that long time ago, beginning, because I was like, 80s is very, like, at one point, boof and Scott are coming down the stairs together. And I told Mickey, I was like, look, they're wearing the same thing. They both had on, like, a sweater that was like a three quarter zip up. It had, like, a collared shirt underneath it. I was like, they're wearing the same thing. I feel like 80s was a little. Except for the Madonna stuff, 80s was a little more covered up. Generally speaking. [00:39:48] Speaker B: There was definitely a lot of layers, like, a lot of clothing. [00:39:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Like the sweater dresses with the jeans and the know and, like, the big belts. There's one scene where boof has a belt on. I was like, dang, you could use that as a weapon. [00:40:03] Speaker B: The buckle at the end. At the end, big. [00:40:05] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. At the end when she's in the gym. It was so big. Yeah. [00:40:10] Speaker B: You know who isn't wearing a lot of clothing other than the locker room scenes, obviously, is Elizabeth grocery. I'm probably pronouncing that wrong, but she played so Tina and Gina, who don't get a ton of screen time or development of character, but they're the friends who are always wearing the sunglasses. But during the party, the house party scene, she's like the girl in lace lingerie get up that has holding that. I adored her while watching this. She is so good. You get, like, in that scene, she doesn't have a single line, but I totally get exactly who she is through the performance that she's giving in that scene. She is wonderful. [00:41:03] Speaker A: That was one of the scenes I had said everybody wore so much clothes. Like, you had the big shoulder pads. She's wearing the pearl necklace, she's wearing the blazer. Everybody's hair is, like, poofy and curled, and the makeup is all the same. And I was like, well, except for her. And she's got, like, more of the Madonna vibe. [00:41:19] Speaker B: Yeah, she was awesome. Did you guys ever play games like that? Like, seven minutes in heaven or chubb yourself in shaving cream? [00:41:29] Speaker A: I don't know about that one. Also, what happened to them? They never went back. Did they ever get deep? [00:41:34] Speaker C: They're still there. They're still there. [00:41:36] Speaker B: They're in their fifty s. I think at some point. I think you see them at first, and then you see them later and they're still trying to get out of it. And then we go and we see Scott and boof in the closet. But I think later on, if memory is serving me correctly, when the party is like, you see them, they get out of it. But I'm not sure. I'm not sure. [00:42:00] Speaker A: I don't remember that. But I'm now thinking, like, oh, man, they're just still wiggling in on the floor, covered in shaving cream, trying to get, uh. [00:42:10] Speaker B: So did you guys play those? Like, what kind of games did you play at house parties? Like, um. [00:42:15] Speaker A: We did seven minutes in heaven, Mickey. [00:42:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, your traditional seven minutes in heaven. Spin the bottle. Truth or dare? [00:42:23] Speaker A: Truth or dare. Classic. [00:42:26] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that's every kid in America. [00:42:31] Speaker A: But not now. They don't do that now. [00:42:34] Speaker B: Well, now they're not true. [00:42:37] Speaker A: Now they're just boofing. [00:42:39] Speaker B: They're doing coke. [00:42:41] Speaker C: There's an app called seven minutes in heaven or something. I don't know. [00:42:45] Speaker B: Well, I mean, that's grindr. They don't need them. [00:42:52] Speaker A: They're all just sitting on their phones. [00:42:56] Speaker B: Did you guys ever do the clothing swap thing? [00:42:59] Speaker A: No. What's that? [00:43:01] Speaker C: You don't remember? [00:43:02] Speaker B: At some point, there's a guy and a girl, and they've swapped clothing. Like, she's dressed, like, as a guy and he's dressed as a girl. And then they get a truth or dare. That's like, you have to go to maybe some teacher's house and get, like, a sample. Like a blood sample or something. You remember that? Yeah, it's like some sort of sample. The guy goes like, no, but the girl kind of actually looks like maybe she'll do it. [00:43:32] Speaker A: Are you talking about in the movie? Yeah. I thought you were saying that you played that. [00:43:39] Speaker B: No, actually, in my twenty s, I did this a few times where I would have a friend who was a girl, not a girlfriend, and I would like, hey, you know, it'd be really funny is if we go into the bathroom, switch each other's outfits, and then come out and then pretend like nothing was different. Like, just don't acknowledge anything. So I did that a few times. [00:44:05] Speaker A: Did they partake? [00:44:06] Speaker B: Yeah, they always partook. But I don't know if I had a good time doing it. [00:44:17] Speaker A: But nobody else really cared. They were like, what do you guys? Weird. [00:44:23] Speaker B: I think it was mostly that total middle child, like, trying to get attention. [00:44:28] Speaker A: Yeah, you're, like, funny, right? Everybody's like. I mean, I guess. [00:44:32] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:44:35] Speaker A: Mickey, do you ever play that? [00:44:37] Speaker C: I never did. Well, actually, I take that back. I have pictures of me doing that. [00:44:41] Speaker A: But it wasn't necessarily for that reason. [00:44:44] Speaker B: Yeah, but it was Oscar de la holla situation. [00:44:47] Speaker A: It was just like a Wednesday. [00:44:49] Speaker B: Mickey, you played high school sports, right? And, I mean, Molly, you were a cheerleader, correct? [00:44:55] Speaker A: In high school I was. I played basketball for a little bit in middle school. Mean, I. Teen wolfed some basketball is what I meant to say. [00:45:05] Speaker B: This is the question for Mickey, because if I ask you, Molly, it's the. What was the locker room shower situation going on there, Mickey? [00:45:14] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. That was weird. In this movie, to me, as a female, I'm like, do they do that? Go ahead. [00:45:20] Speaker B: Do what? Yeah, do what? [00:45:23] Speaker A: Is this, like a real life locker room shower situation post sports? [00:45:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:32] Speaker A: Really? You guys just go in there and get all lathered up like in the locker room showers? [00:45:37] Speaker C: I don't know that I would necessarily. [00:45:38] Speaker A: Put it that way, but go home? [00:45:41] Speaker C: No, the locker room situation. Yeah. It is a hierarchy, and for me, in high school, as a freshman and a sophomore, I was not getting anywhere close to the showers. We had one guy named shout out to you who was well endowed, and. [00:46:03] Speaker B: Always the guys with big dicks, they're. [00:46:05] Speaker C: Always like, and he was extremely big and powerful and muscular, and he would always do the, you know, the hacksaw Jim Duggan, you know, remember him? Well, Hacksaw Jim Duggan was a wrestler, and his big thing was he'd take a two by four, hold it up, and go and put one leg up on, like, the rope. [00:46:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:26] Speaker A: Did he pretend like his penis was the four x four? [00:46:29] Speaker C: No, but he would come out of the shower and take his towel off and put his leg up on the little bench seats they had there and hold up his towel like the two x four, and go. And I was like, oh, my God. So very intimidating situation. I did not want to get in the shower. And then when you become, like, a junior senior, it's, like, your rite of passage to be like, I'm totally confident in myself. I can now get in the hour. So that was kind of my situation with the shower. [00:47:00] Speaker B: There was a guy in my school who. He also was well endowed, and he thought it was very funny to give himself a boner and then put all the towels on his boner outside the shower and be like, yourself, a towel? [00:47:15] Speaker A: My God. [00:47:17] Speaker B: A lot of homo erotic things happening in the men's locker room. [00:47:22] Speaker C: That's other things. I won't say names on this, but there are other guys, too, that would, like, walk up to the younger underclassmen in the locker room, but naked and stand in front of their face with their junk in their face being like, yeah, what do you think of that? What do you think of that? What do you think of that? And you'd just be like, I don't know. I just want to go home. I just want to grab my bag and go home and it was terrifying. And it wasn't until, really, honestly. [00:48:14] Speaker A: It. [00:48:14] Speaker B: Wasn'T until the military I was able. [00:48:17] Speaker C: To fully be okay showering with other men around me naked and it being an okay thing. This is like, we have to take a shower. This is the lot of our life. We have these one couple of showers, which that's part of growing up. I don't know that it's even the same anymore for kids these days, but definitely when I was in high school, it was like, after practice or after, especially after games. It was like if you had won a game, you knew that they were going to be extra extroverted about their nakedness. So you were like, oh, God. [00:49:00] Speaker A: I. [00:49:00] Speaker B: Never thought of that. Like, oh, you poor. You poor. [00:49:08] Speaker A: Games. Now, Jackson never was like, I got to take a shower. I'll be out. Pick me up in 20 or whatever after games and stuff. He was just like, locker room change, come home. I do know that he used to shower during summer. What is it like summer? Like football? Two a days? [00:49:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Football camp. [00:49:31] Speaker A: Yeah. That's the only time I remember him taking shower stuff to school. [00:49:36] Speaker B: Did you shower in school? No. [00:49:45] Speaker C: That's because your experiences are just like the experiences of werewolving. It's carry situations. You know what I'm saying? In those locker rooms. [00:49:57] Speaker A: Listen, those girls locker rooms, you don't want to go in there, okay? It's all bloody, bloody mess. [00:50:04] Speaker C: I will share this if you're okay with Molly. Molly has told me numerous times on numerous occasions that high school girls were so much harsher than we guys understand. Is that fair? [00:50:20] Speaker B: Oh, I totally believe that. [00:50:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Girls are just mean, but in different ways. They're not, like, physical about it. I feel like boys always want to get in a fight. [00:50:31] Speaker C: They want to fight or put their. [00:50:32] Speaker B: Dick in your face and be like, what do you think about that? You're like, it's fine. And they're like, okay, you're cool. [00:50:37] Speaker A: Yeah. They like making penis hooks for towels. [00:50:41] Speaker C: I will say, I'll take even a step further. They were not sticking their junk in your face to be like, they wanted to hear what you said because whatever you said you were going to get punched for. [00:50:52] Speaker B: You got to take a punch. [00:50:53] Speaker C: You got to take a punch. [00:50:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:55] Speaker C: No, I mean, guys. [00:50:57] Speaker B: For guys. You have to take a physical punch for a girl. You have to endure rumors. I think the difference between boys and girls at that time, a guy, you take a physical punch or you submit a girl, you're subjected to extreme emotional and mental abuse over the course of years. If you break. Give me the punch. Any day. [00:51:28] Speaker C: Any day. [00:51:30] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, girls are just stupid girls. It's so stupid. They're so stupid. And I'm thankful that I didn't have social media to have to deal for that. [00:51:44] Speaker B: Wolfing out. [00:51:45] Speaker C: Wolfing out social media. [00:51:46] Speaker A: I would hate to have to wolf out on social media. [00:51:50] Speaker B: So what do we think of he wolfs out and everyone's just like. [00:51:58] Speaker A: I. [00:51:58] Speaker B: Know it's a little silly, but it works, right? [00:52:03] Speaker A: He's winning the game for us. [00:52:05] Speaker C: I was about to say, right? That was the crux of the whole thing, right? If they had done it any other way, when he wolfs out, it would have been like, why do they like him so much? [00:52:17] Speaker A: But because he was just in class and wolfed out, it would have been. [00:52:21] Speaker C: Like, but because he wolfed out and immediately destroyed the competition, they're all like, yeah, we like the wolf. And not to get, like, too metaphoric, because I don't think it's metaphoric, but it is one of these things. Like, we accept a certain amount of evil when it's benefiting us. Not that him wolfing out is evil, but we accept things that if it's a benefit to us, hell yeah, man. It's cool until it's not a benefit to you, and then it's scary. [00:52:48] Speaker A: Like, now, if somebody was a wolf, let's just say. Let's just say our school had a. [00:52:55] Speaker C: Wolf werewolf on the team. [00:52:56] Speaker A: Werewolf on the team. And the other team didn't, he would be like, well, that's not fair. [00:53:02] Speaker B: Or peds. [00:53:04] Speaker A: We need a werewolf. [00:53:07] Speaker B: Yeah, you can't break down the logic if you think too much. It just doesn't. [00:53:15] Speaker A: Keep it as a movie. [00:53:18] Speaker C: But on a very. Just understanding motives, it's like, yeah, of. [00:53:23] Speaker B: Course they love the wolf. [00:53:24] Speaker C: The wolf is crushing the competition. Yeah. [00:53:29] Speaker A: Actually, as soon as he turned into a wolf, I was like, oh, it's like Campbell. [00:53:37] Speaker C: Oh, poor Campbell. [00:53:39] Speaker A: Because he's got, like, hairy legs. He gets that from his dad. [00:53:43] Speaker B: Yeah, he's got that mustache. [00:53:49] Speaker C: And just in case, in 20 years, Campbell listens to this dude, you do not look like teen wolf, okay. [00:53:53] Speaker A: No, I love you. You're so handsome. [00:53:59] Speaker C: But did you notice how Scott, as soon as he wolfed out on the court, his swag just changed the way he moved, the way he. [00:54:09] Speaker B: Shoulders move, his size, his ability as a basketball player. Definitely not. Definitely not a completely non believable athlete in the wolf costume. [00:54:24] Speaker C: It was all j. Fox. [00:54:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I will say so. Listening to the commentary, this was a very funny story. He was. So they're shooting that last scene, the basketball scene at the end of the film, the big climax, every little insert shot. Mickey and Molly, you'll know this because you're filmmakers, but every little insert shot, I mean, that's hours and hours and hours of like a so. So Michael J. Fox, who carries a little weight on this film, know it's basically being able to be made because of him. And he's, you know, it's like, why don't you just let us play? He's saying this to the director, the director, he convinces the director, like, okay, so we're going to do a wide shot. I got 1000ft of film. Film is very expensive, right? Gets 1000ft of film and they're just going to shoot them playing what the director says. He's like somewhere in a vault somewhere, there's an hour of the worst basketball playing you will ever have seen in your life. During that thousand feet of film, nobody scored a single point. It was just a bunch of actors who cannot play basketball, which is basically. [00:55:44] Speaker A: The beginning of the movie. Before he's werewolf. [00:55:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess this is lore of the werewolf. The lore of werewolves in this film is that if you're a werewolf, you have a magical power that sort of dusts onto people around you and you can turn your team that sucks into a team. [00:56:09] Speaker C: Fantastic. [00:56:10] Speaker B: That is good, right? Yeah, because there's no scene of they become good because he becomes Michael Jordan. There's no team building. [00:56:21] Speaker C: There's no rocky montage where they're training because they're worried about not having what. That's what you needed. [00:56:27] Speaker A: Well, maybe they just became good because they were confident, right? Because they were winning. [00:56:33] Speaker C: There you go. [00:56:33] Speaker B: I learned this lesson the hard way. And that is this movie gave me as a kid a false sense of confidence. And if I just truly believe in. [00:56:45] Speaker A: Something, I will be good at. [00:56:47] Speaker B: Become. And I wanted to be a basketball player and I was as good as Michael J. Fox and never got any better because I suck at. That's like, that's good to know. It's like, okay, I'm not going to be a basketball player. You know what I mean? [00:57:03] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't like doing things I'm not good at. [00:57:15] Speaker B: You fucking asshole. [00:57:19] Speaker A: Also, actually, they're so sweaty. [00:57:24] Speaker C: Such a sweaty movie. [00:57:25] Speaker B: Was that believable to you? Either? [00:57:27] Speaker A: Of what? Also, well, I don't know. It was excessive. I mean, for me personally, yes, I would sweat that much. But I don't know about other people. Mickey. [00:57:40] Speaker B: No, Mickey. [00:57:40] Speaker A: Mickey would not sweat that much. [00:57:41] Speaker C: It was extremely sweaty. I feel like Michael J. Fox was running on set after back to the future and, like, sweaty out of it. And they're like, we'll just go with it. Make everybody sweaty. [00:57:52] Speaker A: I think they were just spraying them. [00:57:54] Speaker C: It was a very sweaty movie. It was very sweaty. Very sweaty. [00:57:59] Speaker B: Mickey, at the top of this, we had mentioned the transformation scene in the bathroom. Did you not? That scared the shit out of me when I was a kid. Did that not terrify you as a kid? [00:58:13] Speaker A: The shit out of me when I was an adult last night. [00:58:17] Speaker C: Really? [00:58:18] Speaker A: No. [00:58:19] Speaker B: Okay. [00:58:20] Speaker C: No, I don't remember that being scary at all to me. Okay. A bubbling face always is kind of like a horror thing. That's like one of the tropes of a wolf. Like when you're going through transformation. [00:58:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:39] Speaker C: Because that was an effect that was, like, started in the early 80s, but, yeah, no, it was so funny, kind of at the end of it because you see the fangs, you see the bubbling of face and then you see the transitions as, like, flowing locks of straight hair. It almost looks like a bee gee or something. He's like one of the bee gees. [00:59:01] Speaker B: He does kind of look like one of the bee gees. [00:59:05] Speaker A: The cheek hair bothers me. [00:59:07] Speaker C: I like the cheek hair. [00:59:09] Speaker B: I know guys that have cheek hair like that. [00:59:11] Speaker A: It's like two patches of cheek hair that just fall down his face. [00:59:18] Speaker B: The director, who had at that time done a ton of sitcoms, he says that when they were screening that the moment where he opens the door and the dad's a wolf and he's like, yeah, I got some things to tell you. He's like, the biggest laugh I love, I've ever had in my entire life. [00:59:37] Speaker C: So fun. [00:59:38] Speaker A: It's great. [00:59:39] Speaker B: It is hilarious. [00:59:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:40] Speaker B: It's so sweet. It's so fun because the dad is still so nice. [00:59:45] Speaker A: These are the nicest werewolves. [00:59:48] Speaker B: Very nice werewolves. So the director talks a lot about. He's like, I didn't have to talk about the character with people a lot. And he said, this is what I said about. To James Hampton, who played his dad, harold. He was like, james Hampton is the kind of guy who knows how to make a casserole. Howard was like, got it. [01:00:20] Speaker A: That's pretty. [01:00:22] Speaker B: I mean, to the efficiency of the story, it's like, okay. What he meant by that, right. Is like, I never knew a man who could make a casserole. What a mother makes. [01:00:36] Speaker A: This guy can. [01:00:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:00:38] Speaker B: He infuses things with love. He is both a father and a mother. And I think that comes across. That comes. [01:00:48] Speaker A: Doesn'T. Like, I feel like in a lot of done differently. When he sees Scott riding the van, goes past his store, I feel like in other movies, the dad would have whipped off his baseball hat and thrown it on the sidewalk and been like, oh, I can't believe him. But instead, he's just calm. He just watches him go by. He's disappointed, and he'll deal with it later. That's just very calm and collected. [01:01:17] Speaker B: And that's the thing with a parent like that, your parent being when you really care about somebody, whether they're a parental figure or not, when you care about someone's opinion, when they're disappointed, that's way worse than if they're angry. [01:01:35] Speaker A: My dad was like that. It was like he never yelled. He never did anything like that. But if you knew he was disappointed, I was like, oh, man, oh, man. It hits Mickey. [01:01:50] Speaker B: Could you relate with that? [01:01:52] Speaker C: With Harold? Yeah. No, I know. [01:01:56] Speaker B: I'm disappointed. [01:01:58] Speaker C: Oh, my dad is a man of few words. Molly can tell you that. He is a man a few words. And, yeah, when he would be upset with me, it shut me down immediately. Like, the calm, gentle my dad and Harold have. The only difference between them, because I think my dad is very similar to Harold Howard. The difference is that my dad was even fewer words. My dad would have said, I saw you on that van, and I would have gone like, oh, shut down. He'd been then. [01:02:36] Speaker B: I think he was more upset that he was littering, personally. [01:02:40] Speaker A: Also, alcohol. Was it a beer can? [01:02:43] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a beer can. [01:02:46] Speaker A: More mad about that. [01:02:47] Speaker B: Did you guys ever try to get alcohol when you were in school? [01:02:50] Speaker C: Of course. [01:02:51] Speaker B: Underage. Trying to. [01:02:53] Speaker A: No, I never did because we didn't need to. Because somehow there was a friend of mine, we always went to his house on the weekends. [01:03:03] Speaker B: His house. Interesting. His house. [01:03:06] Speaker A: Yeah. There was always beer, which, I will tell you, it was one of my best friends. It was her neighbor. Very close. It's in a subdivision and very close together houses. And her parents would always say, I don't want you going next door. And we were like, okay. So then we would leave, and we would drive and park my car away, and then we would walk over. So we were always partying right next door. [01:03:37] Speaker B: That's cool. [01:03:39] Speaker C: Yeah. Always had the hook up. [01:03:40] Speaker A: It's very sneaky, but no. And then I remember somebody had an older brother that got alcohol. I did try to buy cigarettes a few times and was unsuccessful. Not for me, but for other people. [01:03:54] Speaker B: Of course for other people. [01:03:55] Speaker A: For other people dare. [01:03:59] Speaker B: Mickey. [01:04:00] Speaker C: Oh, absolutely. 100%. All the time. Tried to get alcohol. [01:04:06] Speaker B: Do you have a really very unsuccessful story that you would like to share? [01:04:13] Speaker C: Yeah. No, this is not a set up. I don't think that we particularly have one. But I do remember in high school, I had become in charge of. This is actually a great story. I was in charge of getting booze for a party we were having at one of my friend's houses. And I was like, yeah, man, I. [01:04:31] Speaker B: Got real styles, a real style situation. [01:04:33] Speaker C: I was like, I got this. No worries, no worries, no worries. Because I have no idea how I'm going to do it. I'm just like, I'll figure it out. [01:04:38] Speaker A: Don't worry. [01:04:39] Speaker C: And I called one of my friends and said, can your older brother go get it? And she's like, yeah, he'll do it, 100%. So I was like, totally done. In the blue or in the clear. He did not do it because he was busy doing other things that adults do that he was like, are you kidding me? No, I'm not going to go buy your friend's beer. So I ended up going to another friend's house, sneaking into their garage, stealing a case of old Milwaukee, and just running as if my life depended. If his dad sees me stealing a case of old Milwaukee, he's going to shoot me. So I was like, because what happened was that his dad would go fishing on the weekends in his john boat, and then he would put it in the garage, but he'd always have covered up cases of beer because he didn't want his wife to know that all he does on the john boat is not fish. He just sits there and drinks beer with how miserable he is, but beaming insider knowledge. I was like, I know there's always one case of beer I can get to. So I was just like, hey, man, I got to come over for a minute. So I came over. I was like, hey, man, I'm going to go run in the garage, grab a soda, because they had one of those, like, fridges in the garage. And he was like, sure. Grabbed a case of beer as fast as possible, went from the door in the garage, through the front door. So I ran through, like, a kitchen, a dining room, and pressed the garage door. I thought that would definitely bring attention to me. So I just went out the front door, and I was gone. And I did not see that guy until that night. We're drinking old Milwaukee, and he's like, he's like, hey, man, how'd you get the beer? And I was like, dude, I stole it from your dad's john boat. He's like, you asshole. That's why you came over, isn't it? And I was like, yeah, man, I'm sorry. But hey, all was good and well, we got our old night. [01:06:27] Speaker B: Did he get in trouble? [01:06:29] Speaker C: No, I hope not. God, he probably did, actually. I don't know. He probably did. [01:06:34] Speaker B: He goes out on the water and he's like, okay, about to go into my boat here and get the old Milwaukee I bought. [01:06:42] Speaker A: The one thing he's been looking forward to. [01:06:45] Speaker B: The one thing. His wife is nagging him, his kids are nagging him, and now somebody's stealing his fucking day. [01:06:52] Speaker A: He gets to go out on his john boat, which I don't know what a John boat is, but I don't know what a John boat is. And he gets to have his own Milwaukee. [01:06:59] Speaker B: Is that a. [01:07:00] Speaker A: No, not today. [01:07:02] Speaker B: Is that a boat where you get a prostitute? [01:07:06] Speaker C: No, that would be another type of john boat. Sure. But this is a flat bottom, like two, three person boat that you take the motor and it comes on. Yeah, you put it on and off. [01:07:18] Speaker A: You see somebody always has a hand behind them driving the motor. [01:07:21] Speaker C: Yes, that's a john boat. That was a funny beer having to get alcohol story. But I have had situations where I was either kicked out of clubs because my id didn't work, or I went to go buy beer and like made up some excuse like, oh, I must have forgot it at my place of. [01:07:41] Speaker A: Work, which we all know from Teen Wolf doesn't work. [01:07:47] Speaker C: Left the id at the know garbage. [01:07:49] Speaker A: Station where I'm working and did sit down, start reading their newspaper and say, listen, sonny, I'm going to need an id. [01:07:55] Speaker B: That's what he does. [01:07:57] Speaker C: I'll tell a unique thing about Teen Wolf and my brothers. We lived in East Texas in the. They were in high school and you could buy booze at 18 in Louisiana. And we were about 45 minutes from Louisiana border. And they would make trips to Louisiana to buy booze when they were 18 and then come back and have pretty wild parties. Well, I'm just saying, it's like. So these parties that they're having in this movie were not far from parties that I saw from my older brothers when I was a kid. [01:08:31] Speaker A: Yeah, we still had, I mean, that was a packed house party. [01:08:35] Speaker B: Have you guys ever been to a party like that? [01:08:37] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:08:39] Speaker A: I mean, I think so. I was probably drinking and didn't remember. [01:08:44] Speaker C: I threw one like that when I was in high school. [01:08:47] Speaker B: Of course you did make. [01:08:48] Speaker C: Yeah. And I got busted. Hardcore. [01:08:51] Speaker B: Oh, you got busted? [01:08:52] Speaker C: Got busted by multiple parents throughout the night. [01:08:55] Speaker B: Oh, shit. [01:08:56] Speaker C: It was awesome. [01:08:56] Speaker B: Throughout the night? [01:08:57] Speaker C: Yeah, well, it was. One parent started whispering to another parent that maybe there was a party at my house, and then one parent showed up and called all the other parents. So throughout the night, parents were just showing up, picking kids off, until finally I was like, the whole thing's got to get shut down. And it shut down. I thought, well, maybe I'll be lucky enough my parents won't find out, maybe because they're out of town. And I'm supposing my parents don't know any of these parents or have any way of ever talking to them. So I'll be fine. My dad came home and he said, hey, I need to talk to you. And I was like, oh, okay. What's it about? And he said, it's about the giant party you threw this weekend. I was like, and it was really rough for me. I had, like, a solid, like, two months of, like. I would have preferred getting busted by the police. I'll put it that way. Okay. [01:09:52] Speaker B: So before we wrap it all up and I ask my final question, we get into recommendations. Is there anything else, like, burning that you guys wanted to talk about before we finish? [01:10:07] Speaker C: I have one other thing, and that's it. Michael J. Fox. I don't know if it was him or a stuntman, but when he slips and slides across the floors, the physical. [01:10:17] Speaker A: Oh, my God, that's impressive. It's so impressive. [01:10:21] Speaker B: It's really Michael J. [01:10:23] Speaker C: Fox. It's funny. It's like. It's great. [01:10:30] Speaker A: They don't cut until he gets to the end of the hallway. Like, how many times did he have to do that? [01:10:36] Speaker B: I don't. If. If we believe the budget of this film, he probably did not get a lot of pigs. [01:10:44] Speaker A: Wow. Yeah, that was really impressive. Mickey and I were both like, oh, amazing. [01:10:50] Speaker B: Although it was a commercial success, I think it made, like, around 40 million on a $1.2 million budget. [01:10:58] Speaker A: That's nice. [01:10:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:02] Speaker B: It'S rated very low on a lot of sites. [01:11:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it's kind of more of a comedy. Like, whatever you would you say, sports comedy. It's kind of more of that. And comedies don't have a reputation of really big reviews generally. [01:11:26] Speaker B: So I often compare Teen Wolf to back to the future just because they came out around the same time. They're both Michael J. Fox vehicles, essentially. And I will always argue that I think overall, Teen Wolf is a better film than back to the future because I think there is a better moral sort of message to what Teen Wolf is saying about. [01:12:08] Speaker C: Right. [01:12:09] Speaker B: Because at the end of back to the future, it's like there's like this monetary thing that's like, well, if you have money and you become rich and you get the things you want, that's sort of like the value, like capitalism as the value in back to the future. And it's a wonderful film, and I love it and all that stuff, but I find I am left sort of with a warmer, more positive feeling for life when I watch Teen Wolf, as opposed to the back to the future, because you don't always become rich. And the message in this, you do have to sort of accept who you are as an individual and respect yourself before you can really enjoy what life has to offer you. [01:13:07] Speaker A: Because he says that, well, the dad says sometimes it skips a generation, and I hope that would be your case or whatever, but it's not. It's like he is who he is. Can't pick your parents, can't pick your, like, just try to figure out how. [01:13:23] Speaker B: To be you, Mickey. [01:13:26] Speaker C: Yeah. I think that a running theme for me for this movie is that if given great abilities or if you're given an opportunity that can really benefit you, there is a shadow side to that, and you have to be aware of it, and you have to make sure that you're making decisions that don't just benefit you, but also benefit the greater good of all around you. So, yes, I think it has a very positive, strong. It's an allegory. No matter how much power you get, you still have to be responsible for what that power does to the people around you. [01:14:03] Speaker A: You might say with great power comes a greater. [01:14:09] Speaker B: And Jeff, Jeff Loeb, who hugely prolific comic book career, absolutely wrote on Spider man, and, like, that's a nod. That's definitely a nod. [01:14:22] Speaker C: It was absolutely a Spider man nod. I picked it up immediately. And I've also, both Jeff Loeb and Rod Daniel, for that matter, are still working heavy marvel stuff. He was the. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. I was gonna say Rod Daniel ended up. He produced, like, almost all of the Netflix Marvel series. Like Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, all those daredevil. All the Netflix series. Yeah, Marvel ones. He was. [01:14:53] Speaker B: Daredevil's the one that survived. That's the one that's like. That made it into the MCU. [01:14:58] Speaker C: Yeah. I was hoping Jessica might. [01:15:00] Speaker A: Wasn't there a season two of Jessica Jones that we never watched? [01:15:03] Speaker C: There was a season two of Jones, yeah. [01:15:05] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't think we watched it so. [01:15:08] Speaker B: Someone comes into the video store, right? Who are we recommending this movie to? Who comes into the video store? [01:15:17] Speaker C: Okay, so I'm going to start with the person who walks in and goes, oh, wait, is this just a horror video store? Then I go, no, we have one movie that's not a horror. [01:15:34] Speaker B: Don't joke. We have a lot of movies that are not horror. [01:15:37] Speaker C: Okay. But I would say you got to check out werewolf there. Wolf, teen wolf. All joking aside. All joking aside. Yeah, I think it's a coming of age. I think it's right in line with the same person, I would say, to watch Monster squad. It's young, it's fun. If you're really opposed to gross out horror or jump scares or the things that really can ramp up your anxiety, this is a great, fun movie that still dabbles in a horror icon like the werewolf. So it does belong in the store, but it belongs with a very specific user that wants a coming of age story and doesn't like serious horror. [01:16:21] Speaker B: Do you agree that it belongs in the werewolf therewolf section? [01:16:25] Speaker C: I agree. Since you're an employee of the store. [01:16:29] Speaker B: No, your opinion? [01:16:31] Speaker C: You're a part owner. I agree that it does belong in the werewolf therewolf section because I didn't see, you know, for the greater good. I think there's something there, and there are probably a lot of Michelangelo's running around that would consider this a werewolf. Werewolf. So I'd say, yeah, I'm going to run with it. I'm trusting. [01:16:53] Speaker B: Are you saying I have a lot of illegitimate children? I'm saying there are a lot of. [01:16:56] Speaker C: Little Michelangelo's running around. [01:16:58] Speaker A: That was a bold claim right at the end here, mickey. [01:17:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:17:02] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [01:17:03] Speaker C: It's now canon in the show. [01:17:05] Speaker B: It's now canon. Molly, do you think this belongs in this section? And if you did work here or when you're just here visiting, who would you recommend this to? [01:17:16] Speaker A: So I think you could recommend it to somebody. And I was going to say this, and then Mickey kind of picked up on, like, if a guy comes in and he has his girlfriend with them. [01:17:24] Speaker C: Got to be a guy. [01:17:26] Speaker B: Yeah, it's got to be you and Mickey. You both only talk about guys, but. [01:17:31] Speaker A: The girlfriend comes in and she's like, I don't really like scary movies. And I think that you guys could recommend this to her also. I feel like it might be a fun sleepover movie. It's rated. [01:17:51] Speaker C: What? [01:17:52] Speaker A: What did we say? [01:17:55] Speaker B: Despite the fact that stiles wears a shirt that says dick nose. [01:17:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:00] Speaker B: There's kind of nudity. [01:18:02] Speaker C: And there's sex. [01:18:03] Speaker B: We didn't even talk about the drama. [01:18:05] Speaker C: Pamela. I love Pamela. I love the drama. Scott Paul and Kirk Kalali. [01:18:09] Speaker A: All that aside from the dick nose and the scene where she unclothes herself and jumps on Scott and they do the thing in the amazing high school dressing room. Aside from that, it could be like a sleepover. Like a fun sleepover kind of movie for certain inappropriate age. I don't know, 14, maybe 13. [01:18:35] Speaker C: I'd go younger, I think. Even younger. [01:18:37] Speaker B: I go younger. Younger? [01:18:38] Speaker A: Yeah. I was going to say younger, but then I don't know about the sexual reference. I don't know. [01:18:45] Speaker C: It's okay. [01:18:46] Speaker B: I didn't understand what it all meant when I saw it, but I got the. [01:18:52] Speaker A: Fun. If your kids are having a sleepover, it'd be a good one to rent. [01:18:59] Speaker C: Can I ask you a question, Michelangelo? [01:19:02] Speaker B: I'd rather you not, but I guess. [01:19:04] Speaker C: Since we're on a podcast, I'm going to direct my question to the audience and you answer it. Okay. Is Teen Wolf. Has that been made into a musical? [01:19:14] Speaker B: I don't know the answer to that. I do know that it was made into an MTV show that came out and the series then made a movie. [01:19:28] Speaker C: I believe the series is darker and the series is more like. More into the werewolf. Yeah. [01:19:36] Speaker B: It's like Twilight was popular. Let's do this with the property we own sort of situation. [01:19:42] Speaker C: But I just felt I had a moment after watching this that I thought, God, this would make a great Broadway musical. And I think it would. I'm not kidding. [01:19:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it would. I agree. [01:20:02] Speaker A: Is there a sports section? Do you guys have a sports section in this? [01:20:05] Speaker B: Of course. [01:20:06] Speaker C: We have multiple movies in multiple sections. [01:20:12] Speaker A: We live in a sports section. [01:20:14] Speaker C: Don't scratch at this. Like you wouldn't scratch at the plot of Teen Wolf. You don't go too deep because you'll get confused. We have sections upon sections of subsections. [01:20:23] Speaker B: Yes. [01:20:23] Speaker A: Well, then I think it could also belong in the sports section. [01:20:27] Speaker B: Yeah, we have multiple releases here. The one we were talking about tonight is the screen factory release from 2017. I don't know why all of a sudden I became Chicago. [01:20:44] Speaker A: Who is this guy? [01:20:46] Speaker B: I am from Chicago. I work at the such a factory there. And as a teenage wolf, it's very beneficial. I will say. Like, literally, when I was getting ready to watch this, I said to Ali, very earnestly, I said, hey, Ali, do you want to watch the teenage wolf with me? Also, why did you talk to Ali. [01:21:14] Speaker C: Like Christopher Walken you went, hey, Ali. [01:21:18] Speaker A: Ali, do you want to watch the teenage Wolf movie with me? [01:21:24] Speaker C: I don't know. [01:21:25] Speaker B: Hello. I just want to say that I love Jay Fox. He's so crazy in this movie. Oh, my gosh. [01:21:37] Speaker A: So did she say yes? [01:21:39] Speaker C: No, she did not. There's no way. [01:21:41] Speaker B: She said, michael, why movie with me? And I said, because I love you. Anyways, I'm getting Allie. No, she wanted to watch the movie with me desperately, but because I have to fit it in where I can and because I have to pause it to write down notes and stuff, I'm like, I want to watch it with her, but then I can't because I have to write all these. [01:22:15] Speaker A: You're going to ruin it for. [01:22:17] Speaker B: I'm going to ruin it. I'm going to ruin. [01:22:18] Speaker A: Yeah. It's going to be the longest movie ever. [01:22:22] Speaker C: My New year's resolution was to I want to get Allie on one of these episodes. [01:22:28] Speaker B: You know what? So Mickey and I have been talking. This is a little behind the curtains talk for you. So Molly has been gracious. She's come on. We adore you being here. And of course, you always have an open invitation to come on and talk about any. [01:22:49] Speaker A: With a good time. [01:22:51] Speaker B: It's like, if you have a pick, let us know and we'll go into that know, because Marika is tied up with a lot of things right now. So Mickey was talking about maybe we get more guests on. And he was like, what? Know my best friend who is a constant listener, Chris or Ali? And I was like, they don't want to do this. And then I asked them both, and they're like, yeah, shut up. [01:23:19] Speaker A: Really? [01:23:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:23:20] Speaker B: So we might have more diversity. [01:23:24] Speaker A: I think that our dear, dear friend Steph and our other dear, dear friend Kristen would also be really good. [01:23:33] Speaker C: Oh, Kristen texted me. I want to put this. This is going on air. Just so I want you to know before I say this, this is going on air. Kristen texted me and she said, who the hell is Katie? And why is Michelangelo calling me Katie. [01:23:50] Speaker B: The St. Patrick? Because I'm an idiot. Did. [01:23:59] Speaker A: You called her Katie? [01:24:00] Speaker B: Katie, I have an ex named Kristen. I just. For some reason, I thought, Katie, I apologize. I'm dumb. [01:24:12] Speaker C: That's why I told her. I said, I apologize for him. And she, no, no, he's a hoot. And I said, yeah, that's what you can call it. [01:24:25] Speaker A: So let's make this happen. Let's have the meeting. So Kristen, Michelangelo and Kristen. [01:24:34] Speaker C: I would love to finish off the episode. If you don't mind with you giving a heartfelt apology to calling Kristen, Katie. And we will wind out on the music right now. Michelangelo, this is your cue. [01:24:47] Speaker B: I gotta say, I truly apologize. I didn't mean to call you Kristen, Katie. It was a mistake on my end. Katie. From now on, I will always remember. I will always be quiet. Shush, Molly. Women be talking. [01:25:07] Speaker A: Oh, sorry. Sorry. [01:25:09] Speaker B: Kristen. Kristen. I'm so sorry this stupid boy called you Katie. [01:25:20] Speaker C: You do some sly on there, you get some sly going on. [01:25:25] Speaker A: This has changed. Who business now. [01:25:30] Speaker B: Mickey ruining it. We can't both do. You do Arnold. I'll do Stallone, if anything. [01:25:36] Speaker C: I'm so sorry. My bad. Sorry. Good. Go ahead. [01:25:41] Speaker B: You sound like an old jewish guy.