Ginger Snaps (2000)

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome to the return slot of Horror, a podcast set in the basement of a video store much like the one from your youth, a place where Mickey, Marika, and Michelangelo hang out after hours, talk about horror films, and can't seem to agree on much other than their love for the genre. So grab a drink, be careful on the stairs, and don't be the last one left in the basement at the end of the night. [00:00:42] Speaker B: Welcome, listener, to the return slot of horror. [00:00:49] Speaker A: Ow. [00:00:53] Speaker B: We are a podcast recorded in the basement of our video store. We are friends, typically three of us, who own and operate said video store after hours, when the doors are locked, the vhs are rewound, and the moon is glowing pale blue on a brisk and breezy night, we'd like to hang out in the basement, crack open a drink, and discuss our beloved genre, horror. [00:01:21] Speaker C: It gets a little lower. [00:01:22] Speaker B: It's a little goaty. A little goaty. [00:01:23] Speaker C: Horror. Willow. Willow. [00:01:27] Speaker A: Willow. [00:01:29] Speaker C: Horror. [00:01:30] Speaker B: Horror has intrigued, disturbed, delighted, aroused, and confused us. We are totally, helplessly in love with it. Every episode, we invite you, listener, to join us for a drink as we discuss a film selected from one of our painstakingly curated subsections of the video store. For those of you not lucky enough to have grown up with, like, a mom and pop or independent video store, Mickey, can you sort of explain what that means? Sure. [00:01:56] Speaker C: Well, back in the day, before there was streaming, before blockbuster, there were independent video stores. And to appease the appetite of movie nerds like myself and Michelangelo, they would work directly with distributors to fill the shelves. Now, these mom and pop shops were responsible for taking genre films like horror, our favorite genre, from limited run theaters and late night drive ins to every small town in America. But what really made these video stores special were the people working in the store, curating personalized sections based on their interests and the interests of their patrons. It was a way they made recommendations based on conversations and not algorithms. So here at the return slot, we keep that spirit alive and strong. We hope you enjoy perusing our sections with us and joining in on our conversations. [00:02:43] Speaker B: Yeah, beautifully put. I mean, you could spend all day at the video store trying to find monster squad, not knowing that it's in where. What section would monster squad be in? [00:02:53] Speaker C: Obviously. Child rights. [00:02:55] Speaker B: Obviously. And how would you know that? You would have to have a conversation with the people who work with the. [00:03:01] Speaker C: People who work there. [00:03:03] Speaker B: So this week, we find ourselves in. [00:03:06] Speaker C: The. [00:03:09] Speaker B: Wolf section of the video store. Now, Mickey, are we film critics? [00:03:18] Speaker C: No. [00:03:20] Speaker B: Are we, like, film historians? [00:03:23] Speaker C: Absolutely not. [00:03:25] Speaker B: No. We're just regular people trying to shine a light on our love, our thoughts, our experience and feelings, how these films have connected and bonded us. We're just fans, and we're bringing our personal experiences to these films. [00:03:43] Speaker C: Two dudes, dude, knit in a basement, talking about movies, and usually a lady. [00:03:49] Speaker B: Who has been as of late. [00:03:51] Speaker C: Marika, we miss you. [00:03:54] Speaker B: We miss you. Now, that said, sometimes a film, we might have, like, a critical thought or a critique, and we're not saying that. [00:04:06] Speaker C: We could do better. Oh, absolutely. [00:04:09] Speaker B: But please understand, listener, it's all coming from a place of love, and we're here to celebrate the movies that we're talking about. Now, before we jump into that movie, two things. One, we have a special guest this evening. Hey, yeah, listener. You know this person already. They are the first voice you hear of every episode. And she has also been involved in a lot of the sketches that Mickey has written to promote. [00:04:44] Speaker C: Little promos, little intros, little commercial bits here and there. She's got her fingers all over this podcast, and she is sitting down to join us for this film. [00:04:55] Speaker A: Welcome to the return slot of horror. Did you want. [00:05:03] Speaker B: That was great. That was great. [00:05:05] Speaker A: But I already kind of did that at the beginning. [00:05:07] Speaker B: Yeah, you did do it. [00:05:08] Speaker C: Yeah, that was perfect. [00:05:11] Speaker B: Molly, thank you for being here tonight. [00:05:15] Speaker A: Yeah, thanks for having me. Just sitting here using my finger to twirl my Drink, getting ready for it. [00:05:21] Speaker C: She's all about the drink part of the show. [00:05:24] Speaker A: Speaking of, it was a drinking show, and then you were like, we got to watch a movie first. [00:05:30] Speaker C: People love drinking and like movies. Yeah. [00:05:35] Speaker B: So speaking of drinking Bali, what are you having this evening? [00:05:40] Speaker A: Wouldn't you like to know? [00:05:42] Speaker B: I would love. Did you make a spooky cocktail? Because it looks like a cocktail. [00:05:45] Speaker A: I sure did. A stirring spoon in the kitchen. So I'm using my finger now. Normally, I don't use ice, however, I am because this is a special occasion, but it is melting fast. So my drink is my own concoction that I came up with, and it is. Let me get the name right. It is a ragtime ginger mall fashioned. [00:06:16] Speaker B: Obviously a reference to the book. [00:06:18] Speaker A: Let me tell you what's in it. Let me tell you what's in it. It has Elijah Craig, small batch bourbon. [00:06:27] Speaker C: Got to do that. Small batch. [00:06:30] Speaker A: I realized I don't have anything to muddle Ginger, so I just. [00:06:35] Speaker B: You slash it used a spoon? [00:06:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I just kind of chopped up the ginger in the bottom of the glass, put my Elijah Craig in, and then I did a teaspoon of cherry juice in honor of periods. [00:06:53] Speaker C: You're welcome. [00:06:57] Speaker A: And two cherries, because, well, they go together. [00:07:05] Speaker B: That sounds wonderful. I want to order that. [00:07:07] Speaker C: Only a drink. Only a drink that she could get away with. [00:07:10] Speaker A: It's actually delicious. It's delicious. [00:07:15] Speaker B: That's going to go really well with the film we're watching tonight, which we will get into. Mickey, what are you having? [00:07:23] Speaker C: Actually, I did not make a spooky cocktail. I'm having a hornitos, tequila seltzer, mango. Only 100 calories. Yeah. Trying to watch the carbs. [00:07:36] Speaker B: Trying to fit into those high school jeans. [00:07:38] Speaker C: Trying to fit into my high school. No, I'm. Yeah, there you go. That's it. I want to get my wolf man body right. You know what I mean? You want to keep that wolf man tight. [00:07:50] Speaker A: It's working. [00:07:51] Speaker C: Thank you. I appreciate that. That's so nice of you to say. [00:07:56] Speaker A: You meant chest, right? Wolfman? [00:07:58] Speaker C: Yes. Okay, great. I do have Wolfman legs. I do have Wolfman. [00:08:03] Speaker B: His legs scared me when I met him. They're very hairy. [00:08:07] Speaker C: My brother used to always say Mickey was born with wool socks. True. [00:08:14] Speaker A: He puts shorts on, walks outside. It's like 50 degrees. I'm, like, cold. [00:08:19] Speaker C: I'm perfectly fine. [00:08:21] Speaker A: It would feel great, too, if I had wool socks for legs. [00:08:24] Speaker C: I look like Mr. Timnus from Tumnus from the witch in the wardrobe. [00:08:29] Speaker A: Wardrobe. [00:08:31] Speaker C: Just all, like, hairy legs, but bare chest. All hairy legs. [00:08:37] Speaker B: Have you ever shaved your legs? [00:08:39] Speaker C: I did when I was in high school. [00:08:42] Speaker A: How long? [00:08:42] Speaker B: That takes many razors. [00:08:46] Speaker C: I don't know. They're all my sisters, but I shaved them when I was in, I think, 9th grade. And my excuse was that I was shaving them to be faster at track. The reality was I was shaving them to shave them and not a good look, because within two days, it looked real bad. It's like I could not wear shorts. [00:09:11] Speaker A: Prickly pair, at the rate that your face grows hair. It was probably like two. [00:09:17] Speaker C: It's like. It was like a 05:00 shadow on my leg. [00:09:19] Speaker B: Have you shaved them as an adult? Has Molly ever seen you with shaved? [00:09:23] Speaker C: Absolutely not. No, absolutely. [00:09:25] Speaker A: That'd be weird. [00:09:26] Speaker B: Actually, women think that it's weird when men shave their. Because I'm a guy who shaved my legs many times and I stopped. [00:09:32] Speaker A: I don't necessarily think it's weird. I mean, I knew guys that I went to high school with. They would shave. Wrestlers would shave their legs and arms. [00:09:46] Speaker B: The consensus I learned was that I was doing it to be more attractive to women. And most women found it weird. They were like, you can trim your leg hair, but like, baby smooth is a little od. [00:09:57] Speaker C: Baby smooth. [00:09:58] Speaker B: Baby smooth legs. [00:10:00] Speaker C: I like to curl up to a little bit of hair on the legs. [00:10:03] Speaker A: So it depends on what you start out with. Like, Mickey's would be weird, because again, starting. [00:10:10] Speaker C: Be honest. Is it kind of comforting? Is it kind of comforting? [00:10:14] Speaker A: Yes. I feel like I'm supposed to say yes. [00:10:19] Speaker C: What's your real feelings? [00:10:20] Speaker A: It's pretty neutral. I really don't have comforting or not comforting. [00:10:24] Speaker C: Well, you know what's going to happen tonight? I'm going to put those bad boys right on you. [00:10:27] Speaker A: No, thank you. [00:10:29] Speaker B: They are married, obviously. You've been listening to the podcast. You know, Mickey and Molly are married. They are a couple. [00:10:36] Speaker C: There is consent. Oh, I've mentioned you enough on this. If you're a regular listener, you know who Molly is. [00:10:41] Speaker B: Yeah. One last thing about your legs, though. [00:10:47] Speaker A: We could go on all night. [00:10:49] Speaker B: I could talk about your legs forever, Mickey. [00:10:52] Speaker C: Sure. [00:10:53] Speaker B: And they go on forever. [00:10:55] Speaker A: Well shaped. [00:10:57] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:10:57] Speaker B: And with as hairy as your legs are, you must have been a little faster. [00:11:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know. In track. I was faster, I can promise you. Swimming. I would have been faster. Yeah. [00:11:10] Speaker B: That's like ten pounds of hair gone from your body. [00:11:13] Speaker C: Yeah. I had kind of like the, you know, in teen wolf when he's wearing his little shorts and playing basketball. [00:11:23] Speaker A: I wasn't far off. [00:11:24] Speaker C: I wasn't far off. I don't buy anything for it. [00:11:30] Speaker A: Figured it out. [00:11:32] Speaker B: So I'm having a beer from Talea Brewery. It's a female owned and operated brewery, and I'm having the weekender at Bonnie's, which is a lager. It's got citrus ginger, and it's refreshingly crisp. And I should also mention for the listener, Molly, you got red hair. [00:11:59] Speaker C: You do have red hair. [00:12:00] Speaker B: You have very red. [00:12:03] Speaker A: Called. Nobody ever called me ginger, but I have been called red. [00:12:10] Speaker B: Do you think you haven't been called ginger? Because I've never met you face to face, except for this evening. And I don't see any freckles. [00:12:20] Speaker A: No. No freckles? No. So I have two younger brothers, and the youngest brother got everybody's freckles. [00:12:32] Speaker B: Poor guy. [00:12:35] Speaker A: But we all have different shades of red hair. It's all different. Yeah. [00:12:41] Speaker C: You got the comic book red hair. [00:12:44] Speaker A: I guess, I don't know, like the more gingery. It's more of a ginger red hair. Yeah. And then the oldest of the younger brothers has more of the orange. And then the little brother has, like, that auburn, like that dark red hair. Yeah. [00:13:02] Speaker B: Do you find it's harder for men who are redheads than women, for sure. I mean, everything's harder for women. We're going to talk about that one, get into this. [00:13:11] Speaker A: But as a redhead, I think for sure it has to be harder to be a boy and have red hair, right? [00:13:18] Speaker C: I think so. They are targeted during dodgeball, that is for sure. [00:13:25] Speaker A: Especially if you have freckles and your boy and red hair. I know. Yeah. [00:13:34] Speaker B: So tonight we are talking. You already know this listener. We are talking about the 2000 canadian coming of age lichenthropy horror film Ginger Snaps, written by Karen Walton and directed by John Fawcett, a film that proves women, even young women, do not need a man's muscular arms to save them. And that mothers truly are the fucking best. [00:14:00] Speaker C: Yeah. Willing to do anything for you. [00:14:03] Speaker B: This film stars Emily Perkins, Catherine, Isabel, and Mimi Rogers, among others. And I got to tell you, Mimi Rogers knocks it out of the park. [00:14:18] Speaker A: And also, her hair was incredible. Those two little forehead curls. Know that, gel? They were crispy. I'm sure they were crispy. Yeah. [00:14:33] Speaker B: So why are we talking about ginger snaps tonight? [00:14:35] Speaker A: Oh, snap. [00:14:38] Speaker C: Yeah, why are we. Michelangelo? [00:14:42] Speaker B: Because I'm hosting. I got to tee it up, and then you shoot. [00:14:46] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know. Why are we watching ginger snaps? [00:14:50] Speaker A: Say it again. Say it again. [00:14:52] Speaker B: Why are we watching Ginger snaps tonight? [00:14:54] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:14:55] Speaker A: Why are we watching ginger snaps? [00:15:01] Speaker B: So, I had never seen ginger snaps before, but I had always heard about it with a lot of reverence from the people who talked about it. Is this your guys'first? Time watching it? [00:15:14] Speaker A: I have never even heard of it, nor have I seen it. And I will tell you, probably because it's because of what the movie is about, which is probably why I've never heard of it. [00:15:27] Speaker C: This was also my first. [00:15:30] Speaker B: I want to unpack that. [00:15:32] Speaker C: Molly. [00:15:33] Speaker A: What do you mean? Yeah, because it's a female driven film about periods, and, uh, you probably didn't hear about it because it's all women and it talks about periods and who wants to watch that? [00:15:56] Speaker B: I do. [00:15:57] Speaker A: I mean, I do. It has. What is it, like, 90% on Rotten Tomatoes? [00:16:03] Speaker C: Something like that, yeah, something like that. [00:16:05] Speaker A: It's incredible. And actually really good. It was really. [00:16:08] Speaker B: Yeah, go ahead. I'm so sorry. [00:16:12] Speaker A: No, I was going to say it's good. People should know about it. [00:16:16] Speaker B: Yes. Spoiler alert. I think we all love this movie. [00:16:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:26] Speaker B: Two snaps. [00:16:28] Speaker C: Two snaps from a ginger, everybody. That's a big deal. [00:16:33] Speaker B: So I saw this for the first time a few years ago. It was something I finally got around to seeing. And, yeah, I was completely blown away by it. I have to say. This is legit. Not far off from what it is like to grow up with siblings and to go through puberty. It pulled me in immediately as an adult man. I'm watching this, and I'm learning things about myself, about what young women go through in puberty. And I'm totally empathetic to not only Ginger and Bridget, but to their mother as well. We become slaves. Poor dad. He's wonderful. [00:17:21] Speaker A: He's just sitting at the end of the know. He sits at the head of the table, and he's just like, wait, what's going on? [00:17:28] Speaker B: Totally detached from everything that's happening. [00:17:33] Speaker A: What's the mom say? The mom says. She says something like, oh, you wouldn't understand, or, oh, you don't. Or, I want to say it's something like, stay in your lane. But I know that's the wrong. That's not the right dialogue. Yeah, I can't remember. [00:17:50] Speaker B: And he's like, don't you think they're listening to what you have to say? Isn't that weird? [00:17:56] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, my God. Why would they listen to you? Isn't that strange? [00:18:05] Speaker B: It's so interesting as a man to connect to this story and identify with the character so immediately, especially as an adult, looking back and remembering what it was like during that time and how we become a slave. I don't know if you guys feel this way, but I do. That we become a slave to our bodies once puberty hits. Everything you've built in regards to your individuality as, like, a child kind of goes out the window once those hormones start coming in. [00:18:42] Speaker A: And then you have it for the next. How many years? [00:18:47] Speaker B: She said like, 30 years. [00:18:49] Speaker A: 45 years. Yeah. [00:18:56] Speaker B: Obviously, we invited Molly on this podcast because we needed to explain to a woman what is happening in the movie. [00:19:08] Speaker A: I was watching, and I was like, now, what is that? What is happening? [00:19:12] Speaker B: Did she cut metaphor? [00:19:16] Speaker C: I had to sit there with Molly and be like, molly, now you understand, right? They're teenage girls, and they are having this experience. The stranger is visiting the curse on the rag. [00:19:31] Speaker A: What is that? [00:19:33] Speaker C: My one takeaway. I finally understand, which tells you the. [00:19:37] Speaker A: Time period in which it was made, too. [00:19:39] Speaker C: I finally understand women, and now I. [00:19:45] Speaker A: Finally know what the rag is. [00:19:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:48] Speaker A: That's why my drink is named Yeol Ragtime Ginger mall fashioned. The name will probably change slightly every time I mention it. [00:20:00] Speaker B: So thank you so much for being here, because it would be ridiculous for two grown men to talk about this film without a female perspective. So what was your sort of overall experience while watching this? [00:20:17] Speaker A: For the puberty? [00:20:19] Speaker C: Sure. [00:20:22] Speaker A: I do want to hear about that. [00:20:24] Speaker C: Get as detailed as possible. [00:20:29] Speaker A: Actually, I was kind of kidding earlier when I was like, nobody would want to watch that. But I do think that that's probably why not a lot of people know about it is. It is a film about which. Written by a woman. Right. But directed by a man, which I thought was also interesting. But I do think that that doesn't make for a popular movie, a film about teenage girls that are late to start their periods, and then when they do, she turns into a werewolf, which is like, generally what happens anyways. Start their periods and then they turn into a werewolf. [00:21:05] Speaker C: I thought that because girls don't talk about it hardly ever. I thought it was just because it was a period and it was private. But now I get it. It's because you're all werewolves. [00:21:17] Speaker A: Werewolves have to stick together in a pack. [00:21:19] Speaker C: Wolf Pack. Wolf pack. [00:21:21] Speaker B: Yeah. I was at the comedy cellar one night and a stand up comedian had this hilarious joke about how he was using the metaphor of his girlfriend when she's on her period. She has her period, and he's not allowed to bring it up when things are emotional. Because, Mickey, I think you could attest to this. If a woman is emotional during that time and you try to bring up, well, this is because you're on your period. It never turns out well for the guy. And the guy was just making a joke about making an allegory to like, it's like if my best friend was a werewolf, but we couldn't talk about it. [00:22:09] Speaker A: Sounds like a great joke. [00:22:13] Speaker B: I thought it was funny. [00:22:17] Speaker A: Also. Never heard it before. [00:22:22] Speaker C: You're slowly walking me into something. When this podcast ends, I have to answer everything I say for the next week. [00:22:31] Speaker B: As I was saying it, I was like, oh, man, I really should have worked this out beforehand. Really throwing Mickey out of the coming off. Not coming off. Mickey complains a lot about you. So back to you, Molly, and your experience watching this. [00:22:49] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I thought it was I. Mickey, you'll have to refresh my memory a little bit. But I was. I totally. What was I saying? I was like, oh, I totally got this at the beginning of the movie. And you were like, oh, I didn't get that. [00:23:03] Speaker C: Do you remember? No, it was immediately when? I don't know. It wasn't when she was bent over with Crane. I can't remember what it was, but it was immediately you caught on when the mother had said something about she had expected that they were on their period, whatever. And you were like, oh, it's using werewolves. [00:23:22] Speaker A: Well, yeah. [00:23:23] Speaker C: Also using werewolves as a metaphor for. [00:23:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I just think the whole thing. And Bridget was like, this isn't you. You're not you. And that's kind of the thing. Everybody's like, oh, you're not like, why are you being such a mean. I'm just being a werewolf. [00:23:40] Speaker C: There were moments, I will say, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but when we were watching where I feel like you were like, yeah, actually, there is some similarities, for sure. [00:23:53] Speaker A: Well, it was written by a woman, so obviously she knows she's been there, done that. And also, they were very late. 16 to start her period. That's pretty late. And poor little Bridget, she just doesn't understand because she hasn't started yet. And it's the same for boys. It's like a weird time. You're like, oh, my God, now what? And then you don't know what to do. You don't know what to do. And then it really was like, she turns into a werewolf because right after she starts her period, and then she's not acting like herself and she's being like, now all she wants to do is make out and have sex with the guy. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's sort of an interesting, weird way to tell the story of female puberty. Do you think. [00:24:51] Speaker C: You think it was effective? Do you think it did a good job? [00:24:54] Speaker A: I think it was really entertaining. I think it was fun. [00:24:57] Speaker C: Okay. [00:24:57] Speaker A: I think it's kind of a fun way. And again, I do think that that's probably why maybe it wasn't super popular or I just don't know about it, honestly. Especially back in the day when it came out. Especially back in that time. It's like nobody's going to go gaga over a film that's female driven and about periods, like when they start their period and then they turn into a werewolf. [00:25:21] Speaker C: Well, I know. [00:25:23] Speaker A: Super popular. [00:25:24] Speaker C: I'll give you a parallel. There's this other movie about a boy who's kind of in that period, too, where he's coming into his manhood and he turns into a werewolf and his story ends with him winning the basketball game and being the hero and everybody wanting to be like him. [00:25:39] Speaker B: And that's a wonderful movie. But it is campy. And, yeah. [00:25:45] Speaker A: I do think that the performances, they were so good. I was actually expecting it to be. I was like, all right. I don't know. And then I was expecting it to know, kind of cheesy, Campy, but the performances were really grounded and really good. [00:26:01] Speaker C: Now, Molly, I have a question for you. And this goes for Michelangelo, too. Do you guys recognize Bridget from something else? From our. Was going. [00:26:08] Speaker A: I was going to bring that up from childhood. [00:26:10] Speaker C: Yep. I didn't mention it when we were watching. I wasn't going to mention it until the show. But do you recognize her at all from something else that I'm sure I. [00:26:17] Speaker A: Did recognize her, but I didn't watch. [00:26:20] Speaker B: Redheaded character. Famous redheaded character. [00:26:22] Speaker C: I'm sure that you and I. [00:26:24] Speaker A: Famous redheaded character. [00:26:26] Speaker B: We were kids. This would be connected to the King Tyrion section collection. [00:26:32] Speaker C: Do you know it, Molly? [00:26:35] Speaker A: No. [00:26:36] Speaker C: She was the original Beverly from the tv series. It. The Tim Curry it where he was the clown. You know? You watched it with Campbell, right? Or didn't you watch it with Jackson? [00:26:50] Speaker A: I thought you watched one of the tv series. [00:26:54] Speaker C: It was a miniseries with Tim Curry. [00:26:57] Speaker B: It was like a two night event. [00:27:00] Speaker C: It's like a four hour movie separate from the movie, not the new movie. [00:27:05] Speaker A: I know, the old one. [00:27:07] Speaker C: Yeah, the old movie. [00:27:09] Speaker B: It's a television movie. [00:27:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I did see it, but I watched it because everybody else had seen it and everybody talked about it, and I was like, I haven't seen it. And so I watched it by myself at night. I probably didn't see a lot of it. [00:27:24] Speaker B: That was rough, man. Yeah. [00:27:25] Speaker C: Well, the young Beverly was played by Emily Perkins. The actress who plays Bridget looks very different, actually. Yes. [00:27:35] Speaker B: She was 22 when she made this. Older than her older sister, Catherine. Isabel by four years. Isn't that crazy? [00:27:45] Speaker C: That is. [00:27:46] Speaker B: Well, that's a real Ralph machio situation. I think Ralph Machio was 22 when he made the karate kid. [00:27:53] Speaker A: They all. [00:27:55] Speaker C: Yeah, right. [00:27:57] Speaker B: There's a couple of other. [00:27:59] Speaker C: I like to think I could probably play a 1920 year old. If you shave your legs. No, I'm sorry. A 1920 year old werewolf. A 1920 year old werewolf, yeah. [00:28:11] Speaker A: Werewolf, yeah. Perfect. [00:28:15] Speaker B: A couple of other horror connections there. Did you recognize Ginger from anything? [00:28:21] Speaker C: I. Catherine, Isabel. [00:28:26] Speaker B: Mickey, you should recognize. [00:28:27] Speaker C: I should recognize her from some. [00:28:29] Speaker B: She's in Freddie versus Jason. She has a pretty small role, unfortunately, but she's wonderful in it. And then the guy who plays, he's like the leader of the punk ass kids in Tucker and Dale versus evil. [00:28:49] Speaker A: That's one of my. [00:28:51] Speaker B: And Jason is the guy that Ginger hooks up with and spreads her. Disgusting. [00:28:57] Speaker A: Her disgust. [00:28:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:05] Speaker B: So you guys have boys? [00:29:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:10] Speaker B: Did you guys talk about, like, boners and stuff at the dinner table and give your son a boner cake? [00:29:16] Speaker A: Yeah. You're not supposed to do that. Yeah, we do. Event. [00:29:24] Speaker B: Was that anything, like, was your mother as interested in you as Mimi Rogers was interested in her children? Did you connect with that part at. [00:29:40] Speaker C: When I had my first period? Yes. This is really strange, but was it. [00:29:47] Speaker B: Like, a thing that was celebrated for you? [00:29:50] Speaker A: Molly? I actually have a really sad and terrible first starting my period story, which I don't know anybody wants to hear about. [00:30:00] Speaker B: I would love to hear it if you're okay with sharing it. [00:30:04] Speaker A: Yeah, it was actually really bad. While my best friend actually helped me through it because she had already started. I was 14, which is the same age that my youngest son is now, though you wouldn't be able to tell by looking at him. Looks much older. Yes, he does. And I was home alone, and I couldn't pre cell phone days. Didn't know where my mom was and couldn't get a hold of her. And I started my period, and I was like, oh, shit. And I remember going in the kitchen and looking on the calendar, though I don't remember what the date was, but I remember it was sometime around my birthday ish. And so I didn't know what to do. So I called my best friend, and she was like, okay, here's what you need to do. Do you have any tampons? Do you have any pads? And she was, like, telling me all this stuff, and then she told me. [00:31:03] Speaker B: How to use a tampon over the phone. [00:31:06] Speaker A: That was that. Yeah. [00:31:07] Speaker B: Was it cordless or. [00:31:08] Speaker A: We got the cordless, for sure. Cordless. [00:31:10] Speaker C: Cordless. Yeah. [00:31:13] Speaker A: Be a great scene for a movie. Yeah. [00:31:15] Speaker B: Was she successful in her description, or were you, like, what was her. [00:31:19] Speaker A: No, she was great. And then I have since gone on and passed that along to other girls, too. [00:31:27] Speaker C: That's amazing. [00:31:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:29] Speaker C: There you go. [00:31:30] Speaker A: So sweet. [00:31:32] Speaker B: So was your mom excited for you? [00:31:36] Speaker A: I don't have a great relationship with my mom, so it was, like, rough times, and it was not even, like, a thing at all. It was not even a thing, but that's fine. [00:31:54] Speaker C: When that happens. Are you prepared? As a woman of 14, had you been prepped for it? Was it like, just like, oh, my God, what is happening to me? [00:32:05] Speaker A: Nothing in school. [00:32:06] Speaker B: Nothing in school. No video those. No talks. [00:32:08] Speaker C: How scary was that about that shit. [00:32:12] Speaker A: In the 90s, guys. Hey, we don't talk about periods or boobs or tampon. No, we talk about boobs, but we don't talk about periods. We don't talk about tampons. [00:32:23] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. No. Mick Lancelon. I talk about boobs all the time. [00:32:26] Speaker A: Yeah, boobs are quite a lot. [00:32:28] Speaker B: Interestingly, I cannot say that word right now. Easy for you to say. There you go. Molly and I actually grew up not too far from each other. [00:32:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:41] Speaker B: And I remember in middle school, the boys went off and the girls went off. I don't know why they didn't do this together, but we did the sex ed stuff in middle school, in my school history. [00:32:55] Speaker A: I don't remember that. I feel like at that age, I was such a good student, and I had straight a's, and I didn't fall off of that train until my sophomore year of high school, but I feel like I would remember that, and I don't remember that at all. [00:33:17] Speaker B: That's unfortunate. [00:33:18] Speaker A: But I will say also in that age, I had not yet made it to Kansas City. Right. [00:33:24] Speaker C: You were in a small school. [00:33:25] Speaker A: I was in a really small, tiny school. Yeah. In Hardy, Arkansas. [00:33:31] Speaker C: Do you know what they're. Do you know what their mascot is? [00:33:36] Speaker A: It's now actually Highland, Arkansas. It's now its own city. [00:33:40] Speaker C: Yeah. The mascot at her school was a confederate soldier. [00:33:47] Speaker A: The Highland Rebels school flag. Confederate flag. [00:33:57] Speaker B: This is lining up. [00:33:58] Speaker A: Sure, it still is. [00:34:00] Speaker C: It's starting to make sense. They probably did have a puberty talk with her, but the puberty talk was. [00:34:07] Speaker A: No sex, just with the boys. [00:34:09] Speaker C: We're done. We're done. Men, you're amazing guys. You're incredible. You inherit the earth. Women, girls do not have. [00:34:17] Speaker A: Yeah, don't talk about it. You have to be married. [00:34:20] Speaker C: We're going to have some sex ed talk with you girls. Do you know how to bake? [00:34:26] Speaker A: Wait, where are we in Arkansas? [00:34:31] Speaker B: See, we had a problem with this. [00:34:33] Speaker A: In the last Mickey. [00:34:37] Speaker C: Molly, you cannot do that accent. [00:34:41] Speaker B: No, Molly can. Molly's allowed. She's a minority. She's allowed to do whatever she wants. [00:34:48] Speaker A: Do whatever I want. Also only minority on this podcast, but. [00:34:54] Speaker C: It'S a running joke in our house. I think it's a joke. I'm not really sure, but let's find out. It said, who's more the minority, the honduran born husband or the redheaded wife? Because she's like, the red. You know, redheads are a minority. They're like, we're dying out. [00:35:17] Speaker A: And I was like, google it. [00:35:20] Speaker C: She says it with such authority and such conviction. I'm like, is she joking, or does she really think that she's a minority in the film? [00:35:29] Speaker A: Hey, it's called acting. Or is it double got me twice? [00:35:42] Speaker C: Me twice. You got me twice got you. [00:35:45] Speaker B: Man. [00:35:47] Speaker C: Yeah, that's really scary for you. I'm sorry. I'm going back on this. No. Just thinking about being, like, 14. I figured, because it's the first time, I think you and I are having this conversation where I figured that just women or like, that girls just knew from, like, you just know, five on. [00:36:02] Speaker A: I mean, it's actually going to happen. It really is all in the parenting. You have to have those conversations with your kids, I think. And I don't have know Mickey. [00:36:13] Speaker B: As you know Mickey, you do know that, right? I don't know. My son put nail polish on his fingers, and I was like, I think I got a daughter now. I don't always. [00:36:30] Speaker C: What is this accent? [00:36:33] Speaker B: I'm allowed to talk like that. [00:36:39] Speaker A: Wait, what was I saying? [00:36:40] Speaker C: No, you don't have any daughters that you know of. [00:36:44] Speaker A: I don't have any daughters that I know of. And I do think that you have to talk about those things. So I've not had those conversations with any of my children, but I have had those conversations with friends daughters. Well, friends daughter, for sure. And then other girls that were younger, girls that are younger than you in school, like in high school, I know there was this girl that. There was a time that we were at a cheerleading competition, and she was on one of the other squads, and she was younger, and she stuttered her period, and she didn't know how to use a tampon. And I was like, I got this. [00:37:21] Speaker B: You didn't have a slow motion shower scene and then make fun of. [00:37:24] Speaker A: And I didn't do it for her. I just told her how to do it. Just want to make that. [00:37:33] Speaker C: No, she was not the Nancy Allen of the. [00:37:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Tell me more about this cheerleading phase of your life. [00:37:43] Speaker A: Wait, what? [00:37:45] Speaker C: Sorry. That was the creepiest way of putting that. This cheerleading camp where your teenage girl fell on your period. [00:37:56] Speaker A: Wait, this reminds me. I did do a job interview one time in high school, and I must have on my application somewhere put, like, activities cheerleader. And I went into his office, and he said, he looked at the job application. He looked at it, and he goes, so you're a cheerleader? And I said, yeah. And he goes, so you got some moves. And I was like, I don't know. Sure. And he was like, okay, when can you start? [00:38:29] Speaker C: All right. [00:38:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:31] Speaker B: Double edged sword. [00:38:32] Speaker A: That was weird. And I worked there for a long time, actually. It was a super fun job. [00:38:39] Speaker B: What was the job? [00:38:40] Speaker A: I was a hostess at Lone Star Steakhouse. [00:38:43] Speaker B: Whoa. [00:38:45] Speaker A: In independence, Missouri. [00:38:48] Speaker B: I believe I had been to that Lone Star, actually. [00:38:51] Speaker A: I shouldn't give the location. [00:38:52] Speaker C: No, that's okay. [00:38:53] Speaker B: Okay, that's fine. [00:38:54] Speaker C: We talk about. [00:38:56] Speaker B: We got breaking news here. Very controversial. The guy who was in charge of hiring the hostess at the Lone Star in Independence, Missouri. Kind of agree. [00:39:08] Speaker A: Now interrupt this program that could have. [00:39:10] Speaker C: Been any lone star in anywhere in America. I feel like probably the guy still is. So, Ginger snaps. [00:39:21] Speaker B: So, Mickey, we didn't really touch on. [00:39:23] Speaker A: This, so just got to my first piece of ginger in my drink. You're welcome. [00:39:27] Speaker B: Nice. [00:39:27] Speaker C: Hey. [00:39:28] Speaker B: Oh, snap. Ginger. By the way, the title is kind of. We had a double pun there. Ginger. [00:39:35] Speaker C: Ginger snaps. [00:39:36] Speaker B: Snaps snapshot. [00:39:38] Speaker A: Who does she snap of, Ginger? She snaps. [00:39:43] Speaker B: Oh, she snaps. [00:39:44] Speaker A: Oh, she snaps. You want to see Ginger snap? Watch Ginger snaps. [00:39:50] Speaker B: Mickey. [00:39:51] Speaker C: Yes. [00:39:52] Speaker B: What was your experience watching this for the first time? [00:39:55] Speaker C: Well, the first time you said, we're going to do it, I thought there was an apostrophe. So it was going to be Ginger's nap, and I was like, this is going to be a boring movie about a woman who's constantly sleeping. No, I'm kidding. [00:40:08] Speaker B: God damn, Mickey, that was brutal. That was terrible. Oh, my God. That's the worst joke you've done on. [00:40:18] Speaker C: See, but it's got you. It got you. [00:40:24] Speaker B: A true dad. You're really living up to. Daniel. No. John Bourgeois, maybe. Henry Fitzgerald, the father. [00:40:34] Speaker C: Yeah, bourgeois. [00:40:37] Speaker B: But go ahead. [00:40:38] Speaker C: I like to say Borges. John Borges. [00:40:40] Speaker B: John Borges. What's with the Italian again? [00:40:43] Speaker C: What are you from? I don't know. John gorgeous. [00:40:46] Speaker B: John gorgeous. [00:40:47] Speaker C: He's wonderful. [00:40:49] Speaker B: But go ahead. What was your. [00:40:51] Speaker A: Were you just doing jewish, Elvis? [00:40:53] Speaker C: No, I'm not doing anything jewish. I swear on my life. [00:40:56] Speaker B: We got a problem with Mickey doing jewish stuff on the podcast. If this is your first. [00:41:07] Speaker C: Okay. I've decided to no longer do jewish accents. I'm trying not to do italian accents. And I will no longer talk about how the irish drink too much. Just putting that out there, Mickey. [00:41:22] Speaker A: I drink too much. [00:41:25] Speaker C: No, actually, that's right. Yeah. I like you when you're drinking. You're fun times, Mickey. It's okay. [00:41:33] Speaker B: You can be honest in the been. [00:41:36] Speaker C: Listen, Mick lines. So she's kind of scaring me. She's like, I know you've been hitting that hard. [00:41:41] Speaker B: She comes down, she's saying whatever comes. She's like, saying it's on her mind. [00:41:46] Speaker C: Being a little scary. Been with this whole period talk, you know? I don't know if I like this. It's disgusting. [00:41:51] Speaker B: Really? I'm going to be like, Bridget. [00:41:57] Speaker C: This is podcast. It can be like Molly goes, yes, I once had a period cut, then the rest of us, ginger snaps. So what did I think of ginger snaps? First of all, I had heard this because I have seen this on so many top ten werewolf movies. And I've told you before, the werewolf is my favorite of the universal monsters. So I was hip to it. I knew what it was. For some reason, in my mind, it was a boarding school that these girls went to and it was going to. [00:42:34] Speaker B: I had that same thought too, man. I don't know. [00:42:38] Speaker A: It's because they're outfits. [00:42:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:40] Speaker A: I don't wears like some boots or something. [00:42:42] Speaker C: It was something about the box cover or something. I don't know. I probably, in my mind, likened it to something like the craft or. I don't know. I wanted to see it because I'd seen good things about it, but I always kind of was slow to it and I have never done it. So this podcast was great because it made me watch it and it was really good. [00:43:00] Speaker A: Did you just plug your own podcast? [00:43:04] Speaker B: One thing great about this podcast, guys, podcast was great. [00:43:07] Speaker A: It made me watch it. [00:43:10] Speaker C: That's good. [00:43:11] Speaker B: You should do voiceover work. [00:43:14] Speaker A: I'll think about it. [00:43:17] Speaker C: But what I love about it, and we talk about these movies that do this, Christine, I mentioned did it as well, but really captures the time period. I think it really well. And this is very late 90s, early 2000s without it being dated. [00:43:32] Speaker B: Yeah, you know what I mean? It's timeless, yet totally captures on the. [00:43:39] Speaker C: Rag, but it doesn't rely on the time period for it to work. Right. It works outside of the time period, but it has an essence to it that really is of that time period. From the clothes to the way people talked. [00:43:56] Speaker A: Remember when it first started, just the opening shot, I was like, what is this? Late 90s, early 2000s? [00:44:02] Speaker C: But that's just part of like, I think what they were, they were capturing the time they were in. [00:44:06] Speaker A: Well, that's also. That is when I was same age. [00:44:11] Speaker C: Right? [00:44:12] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty. [00:44:13] Speaker C: We were there very close. [00:44:14] Speaker B: Very close. [00:44:15] Speaker C: Very much. [00:44:15] Speaker A: Very close. A little older, but yeah. [00:44:17] Speaker B: And this is very low budget film. [00:44:21] Speaker A: You can tell, actually, I think we said that we were like, we could make this. [00:44:27] Speaker B: Maybe we didn't, we didn't know. [00:44:32] Speaker A: I mean, not that we could actually make that. [00:44:34] Speaker C: Wow. Okay. [00:44:35] Speaker A: Real quiet. [00:44:38] Speaker B: If you write a brilliant script and find ridiculously amazing talent, you could make something of a visual quality at this point that looks. It's actually probably. You could film something that actually looks better than this. I would say that's the only downside it does have for me, like a late ninety s sci fi television movie look to it. And I think that's one of the reasons maybe why I sort of wrote it off for a long time. And Mickey, I'm curious about this because this kind of feeds into what Molly was saying at the top of the podcast. And that's, I think there was a bit of subconscious misogyny in me that sort of wrote this off as, like, some chick movie. [00:45:35] Speaker A: Neither one of my kids are going to be like, oh, a movie about werewolves and led by girls, and it's about their periods. Like, they're not going to want to watch that. You know what? Yeah, I get it. [00:45:51] Speaker C: I will drive in even deeper into what you're saying, michelangelo, and say that I agree with Molly, too. Like, our boys are not going to be like, yeah, this is my movie. For know what I love about the werewolf is the struggle that you're getting. These innate desires that are happening to you because of the curse, right. Because of what's happening to your body, which curse, right? But it's changing you. A part of you is fighting against it, but a part of you also is like, this is who I am now. It's my favorite thing with the werewolf. And so many times, in my understanding of a werewolf, it was a man. So it was desire and strength, and I have all this power. And it was also like addiction. A little bit was thrown in there where it's like, I have to feed on this thing. But then I'm really a good guy when I'm not in crazy wolf mode. And so it always appealed to me in that way. And this was so good to see it from a female perspective in another way. It's super cool. And I was like, an amazing. [00:47:03] Speaker A: Actually, it could if you did it as a remake. [00:47:08] Speaker C: Now they're talking about it. [00:47:10] Speaker A: Three. Oh, shit. Oh, snap. I think it might actually do a lot better now. [00:47:18] Speaker B: I think it would definitely get a bigger platform, right? [00:47:22] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I mean. [00:47:23] Speaker B: It would be celebrated for its subject. [00:47:24] Speaker A: Sure. [00:47:25] Speaker C: Yeah, no, it was really cool. I think I appreciate it more as an adult than I did. I feel like as a teenage boy, I might have. [00:47:34] Speaker A: You would have not watched. [00:47:35] Speaker C: Even watching. [00:47:38] Speaker B: And I didn't. [00:47:39] Speaker A: Yeah, no, yeah. [00:47:41] Speaker C: I think that our kids, though, and I'll say specifically Campbell, I think if Campbell has these two girls that he kind of, like he's friends with, it's nothing like that. But he has two girls, they're friends. If they threw this on and made him watch it, I actually think that he'd watch it and get something out of it. [00:47:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I actually do think that boys could get something out of it big time. [00:48:03] Speaker B: I wish I had seen this, but. [00:48:05] Speaker C: They'Re not instigating it. [00:48:06] Speaker A: Maybe they should show this movie instead of probably the weird videos about puberty, they'll just show this movie. [00:48:17] Speaker B: If you're into horror, this is going to connect with you. [00:48:21] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:48:22] Speaker B: I think I learned about the menstrual cycle. It was explained to me in a way that I didn't. I'm an adult man here, and I'm like, oh, that's what the cramps are. It's pushing the stuff out. [00:48:38] Speaker A: Actually, Mickey said that, too. I was like, what? How do you not. [00:48:41] Speaker B: We're not taught. [00:48:42] Speaker C: Nobody tells us, really. [00:48:44] Speaker B: It's a taboo thing. And it's just like, leave her alone. Give her. [00:48:51] Speaker A: It. Don't talk about it. Well, I had a little event on our most recent trip this last weekend, and Mickey was like, what? What is what? What happened? What happened, Molly? What? And I was like, I will say it out loud if you want me to, but I don't know that Campbell wants to hear it. [00:49:10] Speaker C: And then I cowered and got sweaty and said, don't say it. Don't say anything. Never mind. [00:49:14] Speaker A: I'm going to tell everybody here, right here, right now. It was a tampon malfunction. Damn it. I had a tampon malfunction, and I went into a panic. Yeah, I came out of it because I had an extra tampon that didn't malfunction. So, no, thank you very much. [00:49:34] Speaker B: Always have a backup when Jason pees blood and he is screaming, oh, my God, that's what men would be like if we had our period. [00:49:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:45] Speaker B: If anything happens down there at all. That's not what it's supposed to happen. I crumble into pee. [00:49:53] Speaker C: Oh, my God. If I were to pee blood like. [00:49:56] Speaker B: That, I would be nightmare to. [00:49:58] Speaker C: I would check myself in the ER immediately. Yes, immediately. I would be like, stay away from me. Stay away from me. [00:50:06] Speaker A: We're just over here on a full moon cycle. You know what I mean? [00:50:10] Speaker C: I know it's true. I really do believe Ginger schnapps. Molly's right. I said it to her a couple of times. Like, I had no idea. I'm of an age. [00:50:22] Speaker B: Mickey's much older than the rest of us. [00:50:24] Speaker A: Also, anytime someone says I'm of an age, it's definitely over 40. [00:50:28] Speaker C: Yeah. I thought we were watching Ginger's naps. [00:50:34] Speaker A: Hey, what's this movie called? Ginger snaps. Lovely it's just time for my nap. [00:50:42] Speaker B: I take a lot of naps, too. You two are met for each other. [00:50:48] Speaker C: I could. That's why when Molly said that we could make this movie, she actually meant that I'd be Bridget and she'd be Ginger and we would remake this. [00:50:57] Speaker A: I would die for you. No, you said you would die with me because you had nothing better to. [00:51:04] Speaker C: Great. I could see line, too. [00:51:07] Speaker B: Yes, and I could see Vicky saying, too much blood. And I can see your conch. [00:51:14] Speaker C: That's. [00:51:17] Speaker B: Like I was hook linen in seeker on that line. Did you guys. I feel like it's a universal story when you lose your friend or your sibling during this period in your life. Did you guys go through something similar like that? [00:51:40] Speaker A: For sure, I did. Yeah. Mickey, did you? [00:51:46] Speaker C: Yeah, I did. [00:51:48] Speaker A: You did? Well, yeah. You had a friend that you lost when you were young? [00:51:54] Speaker C: You mean actually, like lost lost? Yeah, we going. [00:51:57] Speaker B: That wasn't. [00:52:00] Speaker A: I didn't mean moved from back to me. I moved from Arkansas to Kansas City the summer before I was a freshman in high, so. And I had a best friend in Arkansas that we were, like, inseparable. And it was awful. It was awful. It was miserable. We just lost each other. I moved a handful of hours north. It's a really tough time in your life to have. To have big changes. Like, know. And it was really. [00:52:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:44] Speaker B: Yeah, Mickey. Other than losing someone actually to death, which is not necessarily what I meant. [00:52:57] Speaker C: Sure. [00:52:58] Speaker B: Were you able to identify with that? [00:53:00] Speaker C: I'm going to say something that may sound. It is not said in a way that I'm trying to sound. I actually feel like I was. Maybe the lever versus the left. [00:53:12] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I mean, of course. [00:53:15] Speaker C: And I feel that way in my life. I have that tendency with friends that I've had really deep connecting friendships in love with. And then I kind of grow. I wouldn't say I grow out of the relationship. I just grow into other things. I understand kind of like the ginger part of it where it's like we all different now. [00:53:46] Speaker B: I think we've all done that to some degree. Yeah. [00:53:50] Speaker A: Not in any sort of malicious know. [00:53:54] Speaker B: No. It feels out of your control at the time. [00:53:57] Speaker C: This is where I plug Marika. Marika is one of those friends that never let. She's a Bridget. She never gives up and she never stops showing. Know, even no matter how mean you are or how much you're like, you don't write back for a year, she will show back up and check in on you. And so Marika's always been a really good Bridget type character in my life. [00:54:25] Speaker A: Yeah, she is. [00:54:27] Speaker B: And you're more of a ginger. [00:54:29] Speaker C: Molly is. Molly is much more ginger. [00:54:32] Speaker A: I actually am. [00:54:34] Speaker C: No, you are. I know. I'm serious. Yeah. Molly's friends, she'll catch up with them and it will be like she'll go long stretches of time. But that's just life. That's life. [00:54:48] Speaker A: But we stay friends. [00:54:53] Speaker C: But it's like we're individuals. Right. And sometimes relationships mean different things to us because of our own experiences. And in their sister relationship, I think that's what makes it sting a little bit more. I would die. [00:55:10] Speaker A: No, I said I would die for you. [00:55:14] Speaker B: Molly, did you have. [00:55:18] Speaker A: A little. [00:55:20] Speaker C: Did you have a sister or multiple sisters? [00:55:25] Speaker A: Yes, still do. [00:55:26] Speaker B: Were you close or. No. [00:55:29] Speaker A: Mine's a little complicated. I have two younger brothers that I grew up in the same house with all my childhood, and I have two. We all three of us have pretty big age gaps. And they lived in Pittsburgh, and I lived in Kansas City and Arkansas, so I didn't live in the same house with them. [00:55:53] Speaker B: Okay. [00:55:54] Speaker A: So a little know. Like, so really? I'm like, really in the middle of all of them as a middle child. But I identify as the oldest. [00:56:11] Speaker B: Interesting, because the house that I grew. [00:56:13] Speaker A: Up in, I was the oldest. [00:56:16] Speaker B: Makes sense. [00:56:17] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's kind of weird. It's a little complicated. Sorry about that. [00:56:21] Speaker B: No, I want to explore these things. And I was trying to get to understanding brothers, whether two male identifying siblings, two female identifying siblings, and then the crossover. Right. They're individual and unique, and they come with their own sets of pros and cons. So why I was asking, I wanted to see how much connection you had to your sisters and the relationship as it's portrayed in this film and how much. [00:57:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I didn't have, like, that would be more of my. You know, my friends have always been really important to me, even though Mickey says I'm like the ginger, that I'm the one that straight, but I do. But I'm still friends. My best friend in 8th grade that taught me how to use a tampon, I still consider her one of my best friends, and that's a lot of years later, but not too many. I consider my friends to be family, and so those relationships have always been really important. So I would say my best friends would be more of that sort of. Bridget. Oh, shit. What's her name? Bridget. [00:57:59] Speaker C: Ginger. [00:58:00] Speaker A: Ginger. [00:58:01] Speaker C: The name of the movie. [00:58:06] Speaker A: Oh, well, that malfashion might be kicking. No, I think that that would be. I see that relationship, like their relationship. I see that with my friends. Very long winded answer. [00:58:21] Speaker B: Were you a latchkey kid? [00:58:23] Speaker A: What do you mean? [00:58:25] Speaker B: Did you have a lot of, like, were your parents not in the picture a lot? You had a lot of free time amongst yourself, too? [00:58:32] Speaker A: Yeah, my dad lived. Oh, yeah. I mean, not until I got older. I was like, but I will also say that as much as I kind of went and did whatever I wanted when I got into my high school years, I didn't get in trouble. I never got in trouble in school. If I did, it always made me very embarrassed and very like, it. It didn't happen often, but, yeah, I very much kind of stayed. Like, once I got to my high school years, I was always out having some fun. Didn't really have anybody to check in with. Kind of came and went as I pleased. [00:59:19] Speaker B: Another thing I identified with this is how, and I think they do a good job sort of explaining the mother's approach to parenting and how she thinks it's a positive thing. But I very much identified with. At that age, you will do anything to not have your parents find out what's going on, and they're sort of living their lives, and you're living your lives, and it's like you could be bleeding to death, and you just don't want. From my point of view, you don't want to get in trouble, so you do everything that you can do to not let them in on what's going on. [01:00:01] Speaker A: I thought about that. I was like, when is the mom going to come home? When is she going to come home and hear all the ruckus in the basement and then come downstairs to find know? I'm like, where did the mom go? She was so concerned. She dropped her off. She dropped spoiler. She drops Bridget off at the party to go in and get Ginger and then the whole thing, and then they make it back to the house and then the werewolf thing, and then she's like, I'm like, where did the mom go? [01:00:28] Speaker B: I feel like that must have been a budgetary thing. I think they were building to a certain ending and then had to. I do know that finances changed, and in order to finish the film, I believe what you read on the Internet is not always true. But the gigs. Yeah, as the gigs, as I understand it, they had to sort of change the ending. So there is that element of what was going on with the mom. Right. She was so there. And they do a good job explaining earlier, the parents are in therapy. They obviously don't have a great relationship, especially, man, that scene at the Halloween party, by the way, Mickey, another full moon Halloween night. [01:01:15] Speaker C: I know. I was going to say that. [01:01:19] Speaker B: When she's just like, let's burn the house down to the ground. [01:01:25] Speaker C: She'S going to. [01:01:26] Speaker B: Blame me for shit with your father in it. Well, not the father in it. [01:01:34] Speaker C: I took it as that. [01:01:36] Speaker A: She was like, oh, well, she said, we can just start over. [01:01:41] Speaker C: Burn down the house. She goes, what about dad? [01:01:43] Speaker A: What about dad? [01:01:44] Speaker C: He would ask too many questions or whatever she says. But it was very much like, okay, I didn't take it. [01:01:52] Speaker A: I did also take it. Dad was very much going to be in the house. Is she messing with her? I was like, is she just, like, trying to get to her level? Because they're always talking about death and how they want to die. [01:02:06] Speaker B: We are walking into one of the. [01:02:07] Speaker C: Biggest questions I have about the whole movie, but I wanted to wait. If we're there, I'll ask. But I wanted to. [01:02:16] Speaker A: Ask. Anything you want. We're talking tampons. [01:02:22] Speaker C: Here's the big question I have about Pamela and Mimi Rogers. She plays this line with that role, and especially in that period where she's talking about, we'll just burn down the house and go somewhere brand fucking new. Right? We'll start from scratch. She's speaking as someone, and I'm telling you. [01:02:40] Speaker A: Oh, I know. I know what you're going to say. Yeah. [01:02:44] Speaker C: Is she. No. [01:02:47] Speaker B: A werewolf? [01:02:48] Speaker A: Not a werewolf. [01:02:49] Speaker C: It was her sister. A werewolf? Was she from a werewolf family? [01:02:52] Speaker A: I think she's not a werewolf. But she knows about those werewolves. I think she knows. Interesting. I know what's happening with Ginger. She started her period and she's a werewolf. I've been through this. I've done this. I've seen, like, on the run. [01:03:09] Speaker C: It's a very werewolf story. It's like they got to be on the run. Right? [01:03:12] Speaker A: Well, because she finds the fingers, and then she puts the fingers in the Tupperware, and she's like, oh, it's just their toy fingers. Don't worry about it, babe. [01:03:18] Speaker B: And then she makes leap to dig up the body, which is okay. I'll accept that. [01:03:25] Speaker C: But it is a leap. [01:03:27] Speaker A: Yeah. She sees in the freezer. [01:03:30] Speaker C: She sees it. I will add to the fingers that she puts the fingers in the fridge. [01:03:36] Speaker A: Freezer. [01:03:37] Speaker C: In the freezer. [01:03:37] Speaker A: Who puts fake fingers in the freezer? [01:03:39] Speaker C: That's what I was going to say. [01:03:41] Speaker B: She's concerned. I see the concern on her face. She's like, maybe my dumb husband is right. [01:03:47] Speaker A: Yeah. She's like, oh, don't worry about it, babe. It's just their toy fingers. And then she turns around, she's like, oh, shit. [01:03:54] Speaker C: Maybe this is. I think Pamela knows what's going on more than they tell us in the movie. [01:03:59] Speaker A: Is that her name, Pamela? Pam. Pan? [01:04:05] Speaker C: We're not doing that joke. [01:04:08] Speaker B: What's that joke? I don't think I am. [01:04:10] Speaker C: From stepbrothers. They go in, and the person who's interviewing the stepbrothers, her name is Pam, and he kept saying, pan. And she gets really. [01:04:24] Speaker B: Interesting. I didn't have that thought. But it's a good theory, listeners. [01:04:32] Speaker C: Right in. Let us know what you think. [01:04:33] Speaker A: You don't think she knows anything about the werewolves? [01:04:36] Speaker B: No, I just viewed it as like, she's the fucking best mom, and she is down to burn it all down for her girls. [01:04:47] Speaker A: Going to burn that house down. [01:04:49] Speaker B: Ride or die. [01:04:50] Speaker A: Ride or die. Which in this case, for the dad is die. [01:04:56] Speaker C: Yeah. I have not seen the sequels. Have you seen the sequels? [01:05:02] Speaker B: I've seen the second one. I haven't seen the third one, which. [01:05:05] Speaker C: Is like a prequel. Yeah. So no spoilers. We'll do the second one another time. So I don't want to get into it, but just tell me, does it touch on Pamela at all? [01:05:20] Speaker B: No, it doesn't. Not that I remember. The sequels just don't have the magic this one has, is all I say. [01:05:30] Speaker A: Do they ever. [01:05:31] Speaker C: Right, well, slumber party masker, too. Just putting that out there. [01:05:40] Speaker B: Let's talk about Sam. [01:05:41] Speaker C: Okay. Let's get into Sam. [01:05:43] Speaker B: Because the men really need to be represented on this. [01:05:47] Speaker C: One of my favorite early 2000s late 90s tropes. The drug dealer is always the good guy at the high school. [01:05:54] Speaker A: I know, I thought the same thing. I was like, of course he sells weed. [01:05:59] Speaker C: Do you remember the faculty, Josh Hartnett's character? Yeah. It's like there's just this thing in that period. [01:06:04] Speaker A: Josh Hartnett again, where did he go? Where is Josh Hartnett? [01:06:08] Speaker B: Well, it's very intentional. His sort of ducking out of the. Yeah, yeah. Also, I learned recently his stupid haircut in the faculty. [01:06:20] Speaker C: His choice. [01:06:21] Speaker B: He was like, nobody looks cool when they're in high school. [01:06:25] Speaker A: Listen, his hair. His choice. Okay. [01:06:28] Speaker B: Absolutely. And to his credit, he was like, I want a haircut that doesn't look good intentionally because you don't have the most amazing, talented professionals in the world styling you when you're in high school. You're fucking just trying to put this stuff together. [01:06:49] Speaker A: I mean, and it sort of puts him in the know. Puts you in a different kind of. [01:06:53] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay. We will do the faculty on the show at some point, but I will tell you that his character in the faculty is probably at a period in my life, one of my heroes, so, Sam. Yeah. [01:07:04] Speaker B: Love Sam. [01:07:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:07] Speaker B: I wanted to be Sam when I was that age. [01:07:09] Speaker C: Sure. [01:07:10] Speaker A: Hey, there's still time. [01:07:11] Speaker C: There's still time. [01:07:12] Speaker B: You can still sell drugs, teenage girls. [01:07:18] Speaker A: Hey, you too. Could own a van and sell weed out of the back of. [01:07:23] Speaker B: I couldn't exactly. [01:07:27] Speaker A: Regular. Anything you want. [01:07:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:32] Speaker B: Let me ask you this. Mickey and Molly obviously chime in, but I think this might be more of a guy thing. I don't know. And maybe I'm being sexist. [01:07:42] Speaker A: Oh, boy, here we go. [01:07:44] Speaker B: Would you be willing to be torn apart in order to have sex, Mickey? [01:07:48] Speaker C: At that age? At that age? Yeah, probably. [01:07:54] Speaker A: He thought about it. He thought about it. He was. No, no, I can't get off at that. [01:08:03] Speaker C: Like, you just see something. It's like Ginger when she's wolfing out, man. It's the same way with just guys. It's like, it'd be tough. [01:08:14] Speaker A: She's woofing out, she's on her period. Guys love that stuff, right? [01:08:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:21] Speaker B: Powerful women. [01:08:22] Speaker A: I can just smell it. [01:08:28] Speaker C: But when I was in 8th grade, I was at a party and there was this one girl named Ginger. She wasn't named Ginger, but she was a badass. [01:08:38] Speaker A: And she was. [01:08:39] Speaker C: And she was not a wolf either, but she was badass. And she was smoking a cig. And she walked up to me and she's like, have you ever shot on a cigarette? [01:08:48] Speaker B: And I was like, shotgun a cigarette? [01:08:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:52] Speaker B: Is that what you're saying? Not shotgun a beer. Shotgun a cigarette. [01:08:55] Speaker C: Shotgun a cigarette. Yeah. [01:08:57] Speaker B: I've never heard of that before in my life. [01:08:59] Speaker C: What is that? She puts a cigarette in her mouth, like the ash toward her inside of her mouth, and you suck the cigarette. Whoa. Yeah. [01:09:15] Speaker B: It'S badass werewolf shit. [01:09:22] Speaker C: Werewolf. She might have been werewolf, she might have been werewolf. She might have been on her period, guys. She might have been her period. I don't know. [01:09:28] Speaker A: She was just on her period. Which is the same thing as being a werewolf, we've established. [01:09:32] Speaker C: Yeah. So it was basically, essentially a kiss. And did I ever date her, talk to her after that night? No, but I was determined to smoke for the next 30 years of my life. [01:09:44] Speaker A: What is her name and what is her address? I will find her and I will rip her apart. [01:09:51] Speaker B: Rip her apart when you're a guy? [01:09:53] Speaker A: In 22 days, I will rip her apart. [01:09:56] Speaker C: There you go. You got to hit your cycle. [01:09:58] Speaker B: Mark that on this. [01:10:00] Speaker A: Now we know I'd have to look at me. [01:10:02] Speaker C: She doesn't know if that's accurate. I can promise. No, but there is something about, like, a woman who takes charge when you're that age that really is like, wow. I'm like, we're the real woman right now. Because she knows what she's doing. It's a whole thing. [01:10:20] Speaker B: Molly, did you cheer when jason is like, hey, who's the guy here? And Ginger's like, who's the guy? [01:10:28] Speaker A: She throws him over. [01:10:30] Speaker B: Fucking just rips into. [01:10:33] Speaker A: Yeah, I did love that part. But here's the other thing. Do you think that she acts like that when she's not on her period, when she's not a werewolf? [01:10:45] Speaker C: We'll never know. [01:10:46] Speaker A: Does she go back to her normal, I just want to die self? [01:10:51] Speaker C: No, we don't know. [01:10:53] Speaker B: She was growing out of that. I think that's very clear at the top that Ginger is like, I also. [01:11:00] Speaker A: Don'T think Bridget was ever really sold on it. [01:11:02] Speaker B: I think Bridget was. [01:11:07] Speaker A: Yeah, let's do it. [01:11:09] Speaker B: It's just like anything when you're a teenager, you're, like, fully into this thing, and then you're faced with the reality of it, and you're like, oh, my. [01:11:17] Speaker A: Gosh, I don't want to die. [01:11:21] Speaker C: But even regardless of, like, irregardless of the werewolf, regardless. [01:11:28] Speaker B: Irregardless is a word. [01:11:30] Speaker C: Irregardless. Should we double down? Double down? I might double down on. I do agree with you, McLengela. Ginger, when we see her before she's even attacked by that, there's something in her that's like, maybe she's growing out of Bridget a little bit. And that is a very painful thing to see, because when one person is happy with where they are and the other person is growing out of it, that is just so painful. [01:12:08] Speaker B: And it happens constantly throughout your life. [01:12:11] Speaker C: Oh, I know. [01:12:11] Speaker B: You grow and you change. And sometimes people get left behind for a variety of reasons that are justified and not justified. [01:12:21] Speaker C: Campbell had a little budy that was, like, his best friend for years, and then every time he would call to hang out, Campbell's like, I just don't want to. I'll do anything but wanting. And you could feel that Campbell had grown out of that relationship, and it. [01:12:35] Speaker A: Was hard for the parents in that moment, too. [01:12:37] Speaker C: Yeah, because the other parents are calling us, know, begging us for them to hang out. [01:12:42] Speaker A: Campbell's our youngest also, so we've gone through that before. But the other parent that's her. She's never. This is her first time and it's painful to watch. It is. It's really sad. And you love the parents and you love the families and then the kids grow apart and then that's a whole weird thing, too. [01:13:03] Speaker B: When you have kids, is it ever like, that kid was kind of an asshole. [01:13:08] Speaker C: I don't like the parents. [01:13:08] Speaker A: I'm glad this is happening. No, not at all. Very sweet. [01:13:13] Speaker C: It tends to be like when it's your kid walking away, it's kind of like you're so apologetic and so I. [01:13:19] Speaker B: Know you feel bad. [01:13:19] Speaker A: I'm so sorry you feel bad. I had to have a whole conversation with the mom on the phone. I was like, listen, sometimes this happens. This is about the age that Jackson went through this and friend circles change and, oh, my gosh, it's just awful. [01:13:38] Speaker C: It's that first and early rejections in your life that sting a little bit more. [01:13:43] Speaker B: That brings up something. You guys have an interesting perspective because not only do you have the ability to identify with Ginger and Bridget and some of the younger cast, but also your. [01:13:58] Speaker C: You. [01:13:59] Speaker B: Did you connect with Mickey? Obviously, you connected with the dad. [01:14:04] Speaker C: Henry. Henry and I are like, sympathetic. John gorgeous is John gorgeous. [01:14:10] Speaker B: But like, as a parrot when Mimi Rogers is like, let's burn down the house, were you guys like, yes, I would. [01:14:17] Speaker A: That's why I was like, she's totally messing with her right now because she's like, I'm just going to speak her know. But I also thought it was kind of sweet, too, because I think that she's like, I know what she's into. They do all these death things and the mom's like, trying to find a way to connect, to have a relationship and to be able to help. So I think she was like, let's just burn down the house. And so I think that she was just sort of saying that as just trying to be a buddy in that moment. [01:14:48] Speaker B: That's so interesting. I've seen this three times now and never once did I totally. I'm just taking her literal. [01:14:57] Speaker A: Well, no, I don't think so. I don't think she's being literal. But it is a movie, so maybe she is. [01:15:04] Speaker B: No, but I think that's what's great about this conversation is I get to like, I never would have thought that at all. [01:15:11] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean, I questioned it. I'm not 100%, but I was like, she's got to be messing with her. Right? [01:15:18] Speaker B: But it's opinion. It's your interpretation. [01:15:21] Speaker C: Can I chime in. I will say that all. [01:15:22] Speaker B: No, Mickey, no. The male voice will be silenced. [01:15:28] Speaker C: I will say this about Molly. Molly with our own children does that. [01:15:33] Speaker A: I was just going to say that, like, Campbell will be like. He'll say like, oh, my God, I hate school. I don't want to go to school. And I'm like, you should go. [01:15:46] Speaker B: I got all this crack cocaine. Do you want to do some of that instead of going to school? [01:15:50] Speaker A: Listen, I got a van. It's got some weed in it. I know where there's a high school. I know a guy named Sam willing to help me out. Loves werewolves on my period, so hence werewolf. Let's do it. [01:16:05] Speaker B: Mom, don't talk about your period, please. [01:16:08] Speaker C: I'm going to school. [01:16:09] Speaker B: I will get straight a's. [01:16:11] Speaker A: We'll just say it's a full moon. [01:16:15] Speaker C: I'm going back to school. But Molly will do this thing where if the kids are like that, kick us. My nerves. Molly, be like, should we just, like, punch him in the face? [01:16:31] Speaker A: I'll be like, let's get rid of him. [01:16:34] Speaker C: But there is something that you and. [01:16:40] Speaker A: The boys share claimer, at the beginning of this. [01:16:42] Speaker C: No, but. There's no but. There's something that you and the boys share that I can't, because I feel like if I were to be like, you want to go beat that kid? Let's go roll on him. It's like. That's very serious. Dad, stop. Dad, you were in the army. You're scaring me. [01:16:59] Speaker A: But Jackson literally said something over the last weekend he wasn't able to check into. It's like a whole hotel story. He was like, if they don't let me check in, I'm going to punch them in the face and crawl over that counter. I was like, yeah, you should. [01:17:17] Speaker C: But there's this thing of, like, it is ridiculous what she's saying, but it disarms the kids. And they. [01:17:26] Speaker A: That's why I think she laugh. [01:17:27] Speaker C: And they're like. They feel they have an ally, right? [01:17:30] Speaker A: Well, because I think the. Yeah. Bridget's like, oh, really? Okay. All right. [01:17:37] Speaker C: It's a cool mom move. [01:17:39] Speaker A: Yeah. She's just trying to be on her level in order to talk to her at all, which we also understand as parents, too, because I did feel like when she's sitting at the dinner table and they're fighting back and forth, and she's like, oh, you're not being yourself as the parent in that situation, too. You're like, oh, my God. Everything you say, nobody makes you feel like the lamest dumbest person on Earth. [01:18:04] Speaker C: More than your kids, for sure. [01:18:07] Speaker A: I mean, I don't think that I'm stupid, but my kids make me feel like, so dumb all the time. [01:18:16] Speaker C: Me too. All the time. [01:18:18] Speaker A: Anytime we suggest anything, it's like, well, no, why would I do that? I don't know. I'm just trying to help. Never mind. And then they end up doing that anyway. Kids of that age, I will say yes when they're younger. You are like the coolest person on the planet. [01:18:37] Speaker B: That's got to be a rough transition. Yeah. [01:18:40] Speaker A: Should we make a movie about that? About parents transitioning? [01:18:44] Speaker C: That transition is puberty. That's when it happens. [01:18:47] Speaker A: It is the werewolf time. [01:18:49] Speaker C: It is. It's the werewolf time for men and women. It's the werewolf time. They're wolfing out. [01:18:57] Speaker B: This is what I mean. This is why the werewolf is the best universal. [01:19:00] Speaker A: It actually is. Yeah. [01:19:02] Speaker C: It's totally representative of what all of us go through. Our bodies are changing. We're not really sure how to react to these. [01:19:09] Speaker A: Why do you talk like that? [01:19:12] Speaker C: What? [01:19:15] Speaker A: Our bodies are changing. That's not a way to chase a child away. [01:19:20] Speaker C: They're like, look, guys, our bodies are changing. [01:19:23] Speaker A: Got to hate this conversation. Not going to hear a word after that. Listen, change. [01:19:31] Speaker C: You'Re going to see hair in weird places. [01:19:34] Speaker B: I got to tell you, I turn into a werewolf after about three or four beers, I become ravenous. [01:19:42] Speaker A: Number are you on right now? [01:19:44] Speaker C: Two. [01:19:45] Speaker A: Oh, shit. [01:19:45] Speaker B: So I'm good. [01:19:47] Speaker A: Oh, snap. Oh, snap. [01:19:50] Speaker B: Ginger. I become ravenous and I do not care about the consequences of what I eat. I will steal ice cream, cheese or chicken nuggets from my roommate, nieces, nephews, partner, loved ones, my own mother knowing full well that this is going to put me into a caloric surplus and that the lactose is going to give me diarrhea. But I do it anyways. [01:20:12] Speaker A: It doesn't count after three. [01:20:14] Speaker B: It doesn't count, right. I'm like, man, I've been working out really hard this week. Why do I still, like. Why am I not. Oh, I guess, yeah, I did. [01:20:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Nothing counts after three beers. Okay. [01:20:27] Speaker B: After three beers, it all goes out the window. Something I'd like to bring up before we wrap up. This is sort of the, ah, I'm burning things we want to talk about real quickly before we wrap up. I love at the end, at the Halloween party, Bridget's done this amazing job. She sacrificed herself. She has used her intellect and her relationship with her sister and her love to coax her out and bring her back to the house and Sam shows up and fucking whacks her with the shovel. That's just like a man to use blunt force violence in order to get. [01:21:14] Speaker A: What needs to get done. Yes. That scene, I was like, duh, she was playing a game. She's trying to get her back to the trying. She's working this. And then Sam was like, dunk. Yeah. [01:21:27] Speaker C: Oh, Sam. [01:21:28] Speaker A: Sam. [01:21:29] Speaker B: Or Sam. Also Sam. Yeah. And a forgivable thing in this is, I've made tinctures from plants. What is that? A tincture is what they make. [01:21:49] Speaker C: The. [01:21:49] Speaker B: Extract from the plant material. Right. You do use alcohol. [01:21:55] Speaker A: That's why, guys, this is a learning podcast. [01:21:57] Speaker B: This is a learning podcast. [01:21:58] Speaker C: Yeah. Tinctures, Michelangelo. Yeah. [01:22:01] Speaker B: Tinctures with Michelangelo. You need so much plant volume to. [01:22:07] Speaker A: Make that much liquid. [01:22:11] Speaker B: You would need like, off the top of my head, you would need like 1000 grams to yield 50 plant extract. And you need time. It needs to sit for a really long time. But it's forgivable. It's forgivable. But I think they had something there that they could have played with in that. This takes time to make. I do like when she could have. [01:22:38] Speaker A: Made it more complicated, higher stakes. [01:22:41] Speaker B: Right? I think it would have like. But it's fine, it's fine. But I love it when she runs into Sam. Not Sam. I'm sorry, Jason, who's like, found a trick or treating kid who's dressed up. [01:22:53] Speaker C: Like a. [01:22:56] Speaker B: Yeah, he's covered in. Oh, that reminds me. The poor janitor. That poor guy. [01:23:04] Speaker A: The only diversity in this film. [01:23:09] Speaker B: No. If you've been listening to the podcast, you will know that you, Molly, by your own accord. [01:23:21] Speaker A: I'm sorry. Idiot redhead as the lead. Duh. Thank you. Never happens. [01:23:31] Speaker C: You never see a redheaded woman in the lead. [01:23:39] Speaker B: Is there anything else we want to touch upon before we get to the end here? Any burning questions, commentaries, things that you absolutely loved or hated before we finish up? [01:23:55] Speaker A: I kind of think it's a shame that we don't know who they are more. Right? I thought they were all really good. [01:24:02] Speaker C: The girls, Perkins, Emily Perkins and Catherine, Isabelle. [01:24:06] Speaker A: I mean, maybe they have gone on to do things, but I don't. [01:24:12] Speaker C: To. [01:24:12] Speaker B: Be fair, I do agree with you. I think they are phenomenal. [01:24:16] Speaker C: They're great. [01:24:18] Speaker A: In lesser hands, it could have been pretty cheesy. [01:24:24] Speaker B: But they have had prolific careers. [01:24:28] Speaker A: Yeah, like, they're fine. Yeah, you just watch it and you're like, damn bummer. [01:24:35] Speaker B: I would have liked to have seen them in more mainstream projects. They had the talent, they had everything. Going for them. Yeah. [01:24:43] Speaker A: Bigger roles like these were big roles for them. But the film is not as. Well. It's. [01:24:50] Speaker B: I think maybe it's becoming more of a, you know, Mimi Rogers, the greatest thing she has ever done was that she was married to Tom Cruise for. [01:25:05] Speaker C: A period of time. [01:25:06] Speaker B: Right? [01:25:08] Speaker C: She was, yeah. [01:25:10] Speaker A: She would agree that that's the greatest thing she's ever done. [01:25:13] Speaker B: I think. [01:25:15] Speaker A: Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. [01:25:17] Speaker C: She introduced Tom Cruise to Scientology. She introduced him to Scientology. Yeah. [01:25:22] Speaker A: Dang, look what she. [01:25:25] Speaker B: So obviously I was joking. So do we feel that this does belong in the veil? [01:25:39] Speaker A: Wolf. [01:25:42] Speaker C: Beowulf. Sorry I was late on that. No, that was perfect. That was perfect. [01:25:49] Speaker B: I'm going to do it again. Give it exactly the same time. Does this belong in the. [01:25:59] Speaker C: Wolf. [01:26:04] Speaker B: Section of the video? Now, now, Molly, you don't work here. [01:26:09] Speaker A: I don't. [01:26:10] Speaker B: But I am a visitor. [01:26:12] Speaker A: I loom large. [01:26:14] Speaker B: And you're a customer. You're a large loomer. A full bloomer. [01:26:21] Speaker A: I run my mouth, run some videos, and then I leave. [01:26:27] Speaker B: Do you think this belongs in the Davos section? [01:26:31] Speaker A: Yeah, sure. And also it could be in the ragtime. [01:26:38] Speaker B: I guess we're getting a ragtime section. [01:26:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:26:44] Speaker A: You're welcome. [01:26:46] Speaker B: Interestingly enough, this film, way less problematic than fucking Carrie. [01:26:53] Speaker C: True. That opening sequence. [01:26:56] Speaker A: Really? [01:26:57] Speaker B: That movie starts out with a slow motion scene of high school girls naked in a locker room. [01:27:04] Speaker A: It's fucking. I got to rewatch it. [01:27:06] Speaker B: Fucking nuts. [01:27:07] Speaker C: So long. [01:27:08] Speaker A: It would be like a new movie. Fucking nuts. Or is it badge? [01:27:14] Speaker C: Yo. [01:27:17] Speaker B: Nuts or veg? [01:27:19] Speaker C: Join us tonight. [01:27:20] Speaker A: Wait, is that our new game show, nuts or veg? [01:27:23] Speaker B: I think that's. [01:27:27] Speaker A: When talking about films. Is it nuts or is it badge? [01:27:32] Speaker C: This movie is very veg. This movie is very veg forward. Yeah, very. [01:27:38] Speaker B: Sounds like you meant that as a negative, Mickey. [01:27:41] Speaker C: I meant it as a positive. [01:27:44] Speaker A: This movie is real, badge. [01:27:45] Speaker C: I'm totally hetero. I'm all about vatch. My wife is like, oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. [01:28:01] Speaker B: Did you hear what she just said? [01:28:04] Speaker C: No. The return badge of horror. [01:28:07] Speaker A: Vag of honor. Oh, that could be a section. Can you make a section, like, called Badge of Honor? [01:28:15] Speaker B: I think this belongs in the badge of Honor. Hey, as long as it's curated by a woman, I think we can have that. [01:28:22] Speaker C: Yes. I'm not curating that section. [01:28:26] Speaker B: I mean, I want to, but I can't. [01:28:31] Speaker C: So, Mickey, does this belong in the wolf? Yes, this belongs in because this is an actual great werewolf movie that totally should be on everybody who likes the werewolf stories radar. Agreed. [01:28:46] Speaker B: Who do you recommend this to. Now, Molly, I need you to pretend like you work here. I need you to tap into your acting skills. [01:28:56] Speaker C: Okay? [01:28:57] Speaker B: And I need you to pretend that you work here. [01:29:00] Speaker C: Who do you recommend? [01:29:02] Speaker A: So who would I recommend this movie to? Anyone over a certain age. I'm kidding. I think it's good for older. I don't think that teenagers are going to want to watch this movie. I think that you have to be older and over all the puberty female stuff to be able to watch it. Watch it with your family. No family. Sorry. Start over. Shit. I don't know anybody, like, just adults. Parents. I think it's fun for parents to watch together. Parents of teenage girls would be interesting. I do think that you can't, like I said, teenagers and kids are not going to want to watch this, but adults. [01:30:05] Speaker B: Mickey, who do you recommend this to? [01:30:08] Speaker C: I want to say that I just want to just real quickly go back on what Molly said about parents with teenage girls. That recommendation comes when you've had a conversation with your customer and you know that they're parents of teenage girls. And that is what the kind of recommendations we kind of give at this store. So my recommendation is the person who comes in and talks about how they love the werewolf movies. And I'm like, how can you love werewolf movies and not have seen this film? It is a great werewolf movie. One of my top. I'll put it in my definite top five, maybe top three of werewolf movies. Yeah. Yeah. [01:30:53] Speaker A: Fans of a certain age that love werewolf movies that might also be parents. [01:31:02] Speaker C: Michelangelo, who you recommending it to? [01:31:05] Speaker B: If you're a teenage boy coming into this video? [01:31:10] Speaker C: Gonna. [01:31:11] Speaker B: I'm gonna lie to you. I'm gonna be like, this fucking movie's awesome. [01:31:14] Speaker C: There's fucking. [01:31:15] Speaker B: You see tits because you technically. Do you see her extra nipples? [01:31:21] Speaker C: You do when Ginger. [01:31:22] Speaker B: Yeah, when she's, when Ginger comes on to Sam, she's showing like when she's opening her shirt, she has extra nipples coming. [01:31:31] Speaker A: Oh, we didn't talk about that. That was so gross. [01:31:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I just adopted. [01:31:36] Speaker A: I guess any teenage boy would not think that's gross though. [01:31:39] Speaker B: They'd be like, yeah, extra nipples. [01:31:41] Speaker C: I don't know. That's not exactly what. Yeah, okay. [01:31:46] Speaker B: Yeah, well, that's kind of my point is I think I would have loved to have seen this as a teenage boy. It would have opened my mind and it would have broadened my horizons and I would have understood things in a certain way. And then also like you, I think Mickey makes fun of me for this, but I do think you come to the video store, you haven't seen this, you need to see this. This is a must see for anybody who is a horror cinephile of any kind, I think. [01:32:24] Speaker A: Yeah, you like horror films, you like good horror films. Watch this movie. [01:32:31] Speaker C: Yeah, it's great. [01:32:33] Speaker B: Just like understand it was made in the 2000s, it's very low budget, so you do have to be a little forgiving in the aesthetics, I think a little bit. But that said, for the budget that this film is for, man, they do like a phenomenal job on the special effects, which we didn't really get into. They're wonderful. Considering the budget and the time that it was made in, especially at this time, I think American Werewolf in Paris came out and everything was digital at that time. [01:33:10] Speaker C: Oh, american werewolf in Paris has so many problems. [01:33:13] Speaker A: Do we think that it was a person on all fours in the wolf suit with like an animal? [01:33:20] Speaker B: It was a person. I don't know if they were on all fours, but that was a person. I looked up the name and I'm so sorry that I don't have it for the podcast. But. [01:33:30] Speaker C: The face is animatronic, but yeah, the movement of the body is very human, moving a fluid in a way that would be really hard, I think, with the animatronic, well, it just looked. [01:33:39] Speaker A: Like it was a little detached. Like the head looked a little detached from the body in the way that it was something different. It's like, I was like, oh, that's definitely a person. [01:33:48] Speaker C: That is such a hard thing to pull off that doing a practical like that. It looked good. I was happy with it. [01:33:56] Speaker A: I mean, somebody spent a lot of time and put in a lot of effort to make that. And I say bravo. [01:34:07] Speaker C: Bravo. Bravo. Bravo. Bravo. [01:34:11] Speaker A: Bravo. [01:34:13] Speaker B: Now, this is the part of the podcast where Mickey and I will explain to Molly her thoughts and her. [01:34:24] Speaker A: Oh, good, I've been waiting for this. [01:34:27] Speaker C: Yeah, but we do it in French. We typically do it in French, but. [01:34:32] Speaker B: Neither of us speak French. Seriously though, Molly, thank you so much for joining us this evening to talk about this film. I hope you had as good a time as I had. [01:34:46] Speaker A: There was a good time to be had by all. [01:34:50] Speaker C: It felt like, yeah, to get you down here in the basement, to actually joke around with us until. [01:34:56] Speaker A: I don't normally go in basement. [01:34:58] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm really proud of you. I will tell you, I'm really psyched that you came down and did this with us. [01:35:04] Speaker A: Yeah, basements have spiders and that is something I don't do. [01:35:08] Speaker C: I will put it out there. We would love to have you back another time. Yes. [01:35:12] Speaker A: Oh, snap. [01:35:14] Speaker B: Only for female stuff, though. [01:35:17] Speaker A: I can really only weigh in on female things. [01:35:19] Speaker B: Yeah, you speak for all women. [01:35:23] Speaker C: Mickey. [01:35:26] Speaker B: Where can people follow us on? [01:35:29] Speaker C: Please, please come on down to our Instagram page. It's the return slot underscore of horror pod on Instagram, like share rate, review, comment, and chime in on the conversation. Also, you can find us wherever you listen to podcasts, but we really love to have the subscribe button because then we know you're going to get the latest stuff that we're putting out. We do special episodes, sometimes special staff meetings. You know, we just had a St. Patrick's Day episode, so, yeah, subscribe so you can get all that good content. And then I kind of put this out in another episode. But we are working on a letterboxed where you can come on and see all the films we're watching. And we're actually putting our sections on the letterbox so you can see how our store is curated. Hoping to have that finished by the summer. [01:36:18] Speaker B: So again, thank you, Molly, for coming. [01:36:25] Speaker C: Can we get a howl? Can we get a nice howl from you? [01:36:28] Speaker A: Yeah, hold on.