My Bloody Valentine (1981)

[00:00:05] Speaker A: Welcome, listener, to the return slot of Jorge. Of Jorge. [00:00:17] Speaker B: TJ, is that you? [00:00:20] Speaker C: Sorry. [00:00:22] Speaker A: It's sorry. As to that's too much there. This is a podcast recorded by myself, Michelangelo, and Mickey in the basement of our video store. After hours, when the doors are locked, the vhss are rewound, and the moon is glowing pale blue on a brisk and breezy night, we'd like to hang out in the basement, light a scented candle, crack open a drink, and discuss our beloved genre, horror. Every episode, we invite you to join us for a frosty libation as we discuss a film selected from one of our painstakingly curated subsections of the video store. That's right. For anyone unlucky enough to grow up without an independent video store. Mickey, can you explain this concept? Sure. [00:01:00] Speaker D: Thanks for asking. [00:01:01] Speaker A: Back in the day, before they were streaming and even before jumbo video, there. [00:01:05] Speaker D: Were independent video stores. You could rent a vhs for as little as a loonie, and the store would appease the appetites of movie canucks like me and Michelangelo. They do that by filling their shelves with anything they could get their hands on. Especially them video nasties. This mum and pup shops were responsible for taking the horror genre from limited theater runs and late night drive ins to every little town with a big heart. Every bluff and northern province in North America. [00:01:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:01:30] Speaker D: No, but what really made these video stores special were the people working in the store curating personalized sections based on their interests and the interests of their patrons. Recommendations based on conversations, not on algorithms. So here at the return slot, we keep that spirit alive and strong. We hope you enjoy. Peruse in our sections and join it in our conversations. [00:01:51] Speaker A: Oh. For the listener listening for the first time, this is exactly how Mickey sounds. Yep, sure do. The rest of the time, you'll hear him putting on like, fake Nova Scotia. Nova Scotia. [00:02:10] Speaker B: Sure, sure. [00:02:12] Speaker C: That's right. Got my tim bits, got my coffee crisps. [00:02:21] Speaker A: Now I'm going to warn the listener. This is a hangout. Drink and talk with friends about movies podcast. Think of it as a movie club. [00:02:33] Speaker C: And that's what we're doing. Yeah, that's it. We're clubbing. [00:02:39] Speaker A: Grab a drink, join us in the basement. [00:02:42] Speaker C: Tonight, we are joined by a man who can dance, a man who can grow a full beard, a mustache, a flavor saver, all of it. It's got glasses, and I love them. [00:03:07] Speaker B: You pretty much just described all three of us. Mickey can grow a beard. [00:03:17] Speaker D: I can. [00:03:18] Speaker B: It's coming in good. It looks good. [00:03:22] Speaker D: You never compliment my flavor saver. [00:03:24] Speaker B: Yeah, when was the last time Michelangel angel, you complimented. [00:03:29] Speaker A: To be fair, Mickey, though, do you have a flavor saver? [00:03:32] Speaker C: It kind of just connects. The whole thing's connected, right? It is. Yeah. Okay. [00:03:39] Speaker A: Allie doesn't like my flavor. [00:03:42] Speaker B: No one has a perfect, like, without a connection. [00:03:48] Speaker A: Mine grows separately from very patchy. It's very patchy. So, Chris, thank you for joining us again tonight. I think this movie is going to connect with our last few episodes. So, listener, if you haven't heard our other two Valentine's special episodes, go check those out. And also, I think this is a good connection to just, like, the arc we've been having recently. [00:04:21] Speaker C: Sure. [00:04:22] Speaker A: And we'll get into that. But before we get to the film tonight, guys, what are we drinking in the basement tonight? Which no women allowed in the basement tonight. [00:04:34] Speaker C: Absolutely not. [00:04:35] Speaker B: You see this in every episode. You're wearing out the no girls allowed sign. Pretty hard, bro. [00:04:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:47] Speaker A: He man woman hater club down here. [00:04:49] Speaker B: He man, woman hater. [00:04:53] Speaker D: Mickey, what are you having there? Hey, I'm going all in on this movie, and I'm having a nice moosehead. [00:04:58] Speaker C: Lager you got to have. [00:05:12] Speaker A: Chris, did you prepare a spooky cocktail? Help yourself to this case of moose. Of course we got. [00:05:21] Speaker B: I'll have some. But I did make a little spooky cocktail for tonight, a little concoction. I did not know that the national cocktail for Canada is the bloody Caesar. In case, if you knew that or. [00:05:33] Speaker A: Not, please explain the difference between a bloody Caesar and a Bloody Mary. And especially where you live, your whole cocktail scene is interesting because it's different, right? Bloody Mary in Wisconsin versus other places. [00:05:52] Speaker B: That'S more old fashions. But I can tell you right now. [00:05:55] Speaker A: With the brandy, right? [00:05:56] Speaker B: Yeah, with brandy. And then you get them sweet or sour crest, do you want them with cherries? Do you want them with mushrooms? Do you want them with onions? [00:06:03] Speaker A: Mushrooms. [00:06:04] Speaker C: Wow. [00:06:05] Speaker B: It's wild. It's a whole scene, man. But the bloody Caesar is pretty much a bloody Mary, just with clamato juice. [00:06:14] Speaker C: Or clam juice in it. [00:06:17] Speaker B: So that's the only difference. So it's a play on that now. [00:06:19] Speaker A: I can tell you. [00:06:20] Speaker C: Right, ladies. [00:06:21] Speaker B: It's only for ladies, clearly. [00:06:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:23] Speaker D: Because the clam juice. [00:06:27] Speaker A: Way to bring it to fifth grade. It's my right clam. [00:06:38] Speaker B: So my original, this is my third incarnation on this is my first two. Failed miserably and tasted horrendous. But this is 1oz of vodka, 3oz of labat blue, 4oz of clomato juice, a dash of hot sauce, about a quarter ounce of maple syrup, a squeeze of lemon juice. Stir and pour over crushed ice and serve it maybe underneath a. Underneath a gas mask. There you go. [00:07:11] Speaker D: The saltiness of the clamata, the sweet from the maple syrup, the spice. This feels like you've touched on something that might be just touching on all my taste buds. [00:07:25] Speaker B: That was kind of my goal, to try to kind of touch on everything. I tried doing it with whiskey, especially, like, trying to do, like, a pecan whiskey, and that kind of tasted like vomit. [00:07:37] Speaker A: Now you put a bat blue beer in that? [00:07:42] Speaker C: Yes. Interesting. [00:07:44] Speaker A: What does that add to it? What's that doing for you other than texture? [00:07:48] Speaker B: Canadian. That's why. [00:07:50] Speaker A: I know, but other than the canadian part of it, what is it? [00:07:55] Speaker B: It helps thin down the climato juice a bit. And that way, I think it kind of helps make it a little bit of an evening and a level field. I think if you didn't do that, it would probably be pretty gross with the maple syrup and the hot sauce and the tomato, because I think you need the beer to kind of help level that out. Water it down. A scotch. Also. [00:08:14] Speaker C: Balance it. A scotch. Scotch. [00:08:22] Speaker A: I need to work on mine because my canadian dialect, I feel like I just sound like Wisconsin or Chicago is kind know where I end up going with it. And there's some similarity, but, like, there is, sure. [00:08:36] Speaker B: But then also, too, I mean, there's different dialects across Canada, too. [00:08:41] Speaker A: They do to one. That's all they do. [00:08:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:47] Speaker D: I'm going to give a shout out to an Instagram profile. [00:08:50] Speaker C: You've seen old time hockey? Oh, hell, yeah. [00:08:53] Speaker B: I love old time hockey. [00:08:54] Speaker A: Of course. I sent Chris one of his cassette tapes he made with the stories from his grandfather's journal. [00:09:01] Speaker D: I don't think he's been able to listen to it. [00:09:03] Speaker A: Because you don't have a cassette player. [00:09:05] Speaker B: My mother in law got me a cassette player from a garage sale. Well, I did. [00:09:09] Speaker C: Listen. [00:09:12] Speaker A: I wanted to buy you a cassette player, but to buy, like, a brand new one right now, it's fucking like, it's ridiculous. It costs as much as, like, a pair of noise canceling wireless headphones. [00:09:24] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:09:25] Speaker C: Stupid. Go to a thrift store in the. [00:09:28] Speaker A: Midwest, you will find a cassette player. [00:09:29] Speaker C: That works, and you'll pay, like, $3 for it. [00:09:32] Speaker B: But old time hockey? What you got about old time hockey? What are you going to say? [00:09:35] Speaker D: I was just saying that's kind of my inspiration when I think of that good old canadian. Okay, buddy. Yeah, sure. We're going to be doing this for a little bit now. But you got to understand there you got the Nintendo playing in the background. [00:09:48] Speaker C: Yeah. Full time hockey from the upper peninsula. [00:09:54] Speaker B: For those. [00:09:54] Speaker C: None of the. [00:09:55] Speaker B: No, that's northern Michigan. It's beautiful country up that way. [00:09:58] Speaker A: Now, do you think he's really eating all this stuff? Because I think he would be obese. [00:10:04] Speaker C: With diabetes, like, what's going on? [00:10:07] Speaker D: No, he's eating all that. [00:10:09] Speaker A: I love the recipes, but you can't eat like that as an adult man. [00:10:12] Speaker B: He's not eating that all the time. He's probably eating it some of the time. Yeah. [00:10:16] Speaker A: Like iceberg lettuce and water. [00:10:18] Speaker C: The rest of the time, he's a. [00:10:20] Speaker A: Man of the man in the woods. [00:10:25] Speaker D: All day long. He's outdoor all day long, working. He burns so many calories, he's got to consume large pots of Mac and cheese. He's got to consume all that. He has to. [00:10:42] Speaker C: He's in the cedar swamps. [00:10:46] Speaker A: Mickey and I were on our company retreat this summer up in north of Montreal. He was like, yeah, you got to eat this vat of macaroni and drink this beer. We're hiking all day. We're swimming in the lake. [00:11:03] Speaker C: Okay. [00:11:07] Speaker A: We swam out to a. What's it called when the things floating in the middle of the lake that you can. [00:11:15] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't know what the proper. [00:11:16] Speaker B: Name is, but it's like raft or something like that. [00:11:22] Speaker A: We swam out to the floating raft, the floating pier, and I don't know how he did it, but he had a vat of macaroni with him, and he was like, yeah, I got to fuel back up before we head back. You fuel as you go? [00:11:33] Speaker C: Sometimes, yeah. You don't have watery, but delicious. [00:11:37] Speaker B: You don't have a secret compartment in your swim trunks for macaroni. Michelangelo, I guess. [00:11:41] Speaker A: No, I don't. [00:11:43] Speaker D: I never knew that people put in their fanny packs anything other than Mac and cheese. [00:11:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:49] Speaker B: Isn't that what that's. [00:11:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:51] Speaker A: Life is a lucky. [00:11:53] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, she is. [00:11:57] Speaker A: So tonight, movie are we talking about tonight? How would the listener possibly know? [00:12:03] Speaker C: How would they know? [00:12:06] Speaker A: Originally criminally underrated, but now celebrated as the folktale blue collar slasher tragedy Canuck exploitation masterpiece that it is. Some have called it the deer hunter of horror films 1980 one's my Bloody Valentine, the O-G-M-P-A sacrificial lamb. And we'll get into that a little bit. [00:12:30] Speaker C: Directed by George Michaela. I think it's how you pronounce it. [00:12:36] Speaker D: It's hungarian. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not really sure how to. [00:12:39] Speaker A: Pronounce written the screenplay and story by John Beard and Stephen A. Miller, who. [00:12:48] Speaker C: I have to read you this. [00:12:49] Speaker A: I was looking up Stephen A. Miller to see what else he had done. And he has a movie called from 1973 called the werewolf of Washington. [00:13:00] Speaker C: Fuck yeah. [00:13:00] Speaker A: And here's the description according to IMDb. And I have to see this now. A reporter who has had an affair with the daughter of the US president is sent to Hungary. There he is bitten by a werewolf and then gets transferred back to Washington where he gets a job as a press assistant to the president. Then bodies start turning up and boy, oh boy, does this look interesting. I don't know if it's anywhere out there. I haven't had time to do any research, but the poster for it is like a werewolf face with all white hair and Uncle Sam hat. Nice. [00:13:44] Speaker C: Cool. [00:13:45] Speaker A: It is something, I think, that would make Chris laugh quite a bit. Yeah, it sounds like to we need to do that movie. [00:13:54] Speaker C: But Mickey. Yeah. [00:13:59] Speaker A: This is something I don't understand because I should have cleared this with you first. But are we still in true bromance right now or are we in a different section? [00:14:09] Speaker D: I think we could still be in true bromance. [00:14:12] Speaker A: We're not in the folklore section? [00:14:15] Speaker D: No, I don't think so. Movies can exist in multiple sections, but I think this is true bromance. [00:14:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:23] Speaker B: Is this maybe how in some video stores they would kind of put like films, like in between areas as almost. [00:14:29] Speaker D: Like bridge, you got your 1981 version, you got your 2007 version, you got your. [00:14:41] Speaker A: Betamax, all the 1982 cut. And we'll get into these cuts in the 2022, the 2018, the 2020, all. [00:14:52] Speaker C: That shit, but yeah. [00:14:56] Speaker A: So we're in true bromance? [00:14:59] Speaker C: Yeah, I think so. [00:15:01] Speaker A: I believe we're still here. [00:15:02] Speaker C: This is why. [00:15:04] Speaker A: I don't think this is. [00:15:06] Speaker C: I think it's true, bro. [00:15:09] Speaker A: Well, I rented the Betamax out of the folklore section personally. Chris, where did you. [00:15:18] Speaker C: It's open to debate, but we could. [00:15:20] Speaker D: Say that Axel has some unrequited love for TJ. [00:15:23] Speaker C: I know. [00:15:23] Speaker A: Chris, you watched the laser disc version, right? [00:15:26] Speaker B: Yeah, it was underneath the floorboards. I had to pry the flooring. [00:15:29] Speaker C: Okay. [00:15:29] Speaker A: That's where we keep laser dicks discs at the video. [00:15:34] Speaker D: That was a freudian slip. [00:15:35] Speaker A: Freudian slip. Oh, listen to our cruising episode where. [00:15:40] Speaker D: I working through some. [00:15:45] Speaker A: Why? Why my bloody Valentine? Other than this is around Valentine's. We did a few episodes. Why my bloody Valentine? And what is your relationship with this film? [00:15:58] Speaker D: Well, we covered it. [00:15:59] Speaker A: He was putting up his hand. Were you just gesturing or were you telling me to hold? [00:16:04] Speaker D: I was. This is very much like, I'm getting ready. I'm getting ready to zone in and. [00:16:07] Speaker C: Talk to my listeners. [00:16:09] Speaker D: This is me, like, being pointed. Like, here's my answers to all these. [00:16:13] Speaker C: Mickey. [00:16:13] Speaker A: Mickey. Looks like thousand points of light. A sexy reporter tonight. [00:16:19] Speaker D: No, I look like a sexy 1970s minor who just got back from the west, where I tried to make it, but didn't quite pan out for me. So I'm back in the mines, but I came back. [00:16:32] Speaker A: You're an undercover reporter, is what I think. And you're trying to get stuff on the mind. [00:16:36] Speaker B: I like the v neck and the handkerchief look you got going on. It really works for you. [00:16:40] Speaker D: I appreciate that. [00:16:42] Speaker A: That's a good look. That's a good look that Paul Kellman has. [00:16:47] Speaker D: Yeah. And it never goes out of. [00:16:48] Speaker A: We'll talk more about it, but please, Mickey, please. [00:16:51] Speaker D: Well, I think that I would call this a true bromance, because a couple of reasons. We had this conversation last year for anybody who wants to go back and listen. We did a Valentine's day bromantic coffee hour where we sat down and talked. We mentioned this movie a little bit. [00:17:03] Speaker C: But I think you can see some. [00:17:04] Speaker D: Real bromances in this film. Just like a group of mining men who like to have little slap fights in the shower. They really enjoy each other's company. [00:17:14] Speaker A: I can't argue with that. That's absolutely. [00:17:16] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:17:18] Speaker D: Really some serious bromances. I mean, Hollis and Howard. Howard being the goofball. Because a bromance doesn't have to be all sexual. It's just know, having a male companion that you really enjoy being around. And even. But then also I kind of see some similarities between TJ, Axel, and Sarah. When I look at us three, it's a thruffle. And I think it's similar to us three. [00:17:47] Speaker A: Who's who, Chris? [00:17:51] Speaker D: Me being TJ, and you obviously being Axel. [00:17:54] Speaker B: Clearly I'm Axel. [00:17:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:58] Speaker D: Come on. We were just in the junkyard blowing harmonicas together. [00:18:04] Speaker A: If anything, Chris is Hollis. [00:18:09] Speaker B: Oh, I'm definitely. I feel that. [00:18:13] Speaker A: Hollis. I am probably. What's his name? [00:18:19] Speaker D: Dave. [00:18:19] Speaker A: Who dies in the hot dog water. [00:18:22] Speaker C: Dave. [00:18:24] Speaker A: I'm going to get out of this town. He's like, I'm going to be TJ. I'm going to get out like TJ did. Even has dark, curly hair like TJ. And then, Mickey, I think you're all. [00:18:38] Speaker C: I could be Sarah with a. Have agency. [00:18:42] Speaker D: I'm just like, I'm tired of both of you. I'm just tired of both of. [00:18:48] Speaker A: Yep, that's the best. [00:18:54] Speaker D: I'm just tired of it. Honestly. [00:18:56] Speaker A: That's the criteria that Allie and Molly and Marika are all. Sarah. [00:19:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:04] Speaker D: They've been really silent for a couple of months. [00:19:06] Speaker A: They've been very silent. No women in the basement tonight. No. [00:19:13] Speaker D: So all jokes aside, listen, Valentine's Day, it's not a huge holiday that I celebrate, but it is two years ago. Listen, hear me out. [00:19:26] Speaker C: Hear me out. [00:19:27] Speaker A: No, I hear you. It's like three men are like, we don't celebrate Valentine's day. Chris, do you feel that way as well? [00:19:44] Speaker B: I actually was going to talk about that. We'll get into that later. [00:19:49] Speaker A: We'll get into. [00:19:52] Speaker D: But I've seen this movie multiple times. Honestly, the first time I saw this movie, I just thought it was okay. I didn't really have a great love. [00:19:59] Speaker C: For anything like that. [00:20:00] Speaker D: Probably high school. I don't know. [00:20:02] Speaker C: I don't even have a firm set. [00:20:05] Speaker D: On where that was. [00:20:06] Speaker C: But it was in my purview. [00:20:09] Speaker D: And then I probably watched it later on to prepare for the remake because I was a fan of Janssen Echols and what he had done on supernatural. So I probably watched it again then, and I liked it more the second time I watched it because at that point in my life, I'd actually been friends with a canadian. And those things kind of were kind of special to me in some way where I was like, I connect. [00:20:29] Speaker C: This is so fun. [00:20:31] Speaker D: And then two years ago, we got together, Valentine's Day. I was like, everybody, let's watch this for Valentine's Day. You got to. It's the slasher if you're going to watch one in this holiday. [00:20:40] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:20:41] Speaker D: And in that group of people, we got, like, heart shaped candies, we got. [00:20:45] Speaker A: Like, heart shaped cake. [00:20:46] Speaker D: We got all this stuff and made it really Valentine's y. [00:20:48] Speaker C: And there were enough people that hadn't. [00:20:51] Speaker D: Seen it that you were getting real deal like, first reactions. And we watched the version that had the kills that put back in. Like, all the violent stuff they'd taken out originally was put back in. [00:21:02] Speaker C: And just the sheer gasps when the. [00:21:06] Speaker D: Pickaxe goes through the eye, the laughs when Sarah slaps. I can't remember the other girl's name. [00:21:13] Speaker C: I think it's. [00:21:19] Speaker D: Would the audible laughs and the way the women in the crowd are like, sometimes it's what you got to do, sometimes you got to get them straight. And it was so much fun that I walked away with such a deeper appreciation for this film because you can't have this with every slasher this much fun. And what it does right, because there are a lot of copycat slashers. But what this one does right is that the director, and I'm going to say the director and the performers really have a way of making these people. [00:21:51] Speaker C: Seem like early to mid 20 year. [00:21:54] Speaker D: Olds having a good time, having relationships. [00:21:57] Speaker A: Likable, likable people, likable, tragic characters. Wonderful, terrible that you do not want to see die. Yeah. [00:22:05] Speaker D: It's the thing that really makes this thing continue to feel like good, like feel unique in the world of slasher films because it did something right that a lot of them do wrong. I told earlier, I was talking to Molly and I was like, you take the slasher part out of this film and you almost have something like a goodwill hunting or like a deer hunter. [00:22:31] Speaker C: Middle class men and women figuring it out and going through this moment in their lives. [00:22:41] Speaker D: I don't know. It really is a really darling film in that way. And you can poke holes in the plot and there are some silly things written into it. But overall it's such an enjoyable film. [00:22:53] Speaker C: I really love it. [00:22:57] Speaker A: Did you really connect with that sort of like the blue collar small town trying to get out? [00:23:02] Speaker C: Oh, hell yeah. [00:23:03] Speaker A: You know what? [00:23:04] Speaker D: Hell yeah. [00:23:05] Speaker A: I think you've had this experience and we've talked about it before, Mickey, but I'm going to leave this small town because you grew up in a couple of small towns. [00:23:14] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. [00:23:17] Speaker A: And I'm going to make my way. [00:23:20] Speaker C: In the world and then fucking life. [00:23:23] Speaker A: Beats you down and you come back. [00:23:24] Speaker D: You return, you go right back and. [00:23:27] Speaker A: You got to fucking work that job that you were too good. [00:23:31] Speaker D: Yep, I've been there. [00:23:33] Speaker A: And unlike TJ, your dad doesn't own the company. You're like, you got to fuck it. I got to start over again. [00:23:42] Speaker D: You totally relate special outside of these groups of guys. And the thing is that it's not. [00:23:48] Speaker C: Like you're a bad person for thinking. [00:23:50] Speaker D: That when you go back to them, they're still your friends, they're still your group of guys, you're still your running buddies. [00:23:55] Speaker C: But there is a little bit of. [00:23:57] Speaker D: Tinge of like, oh, it's know it didn't. Yeah, I can remember being sent off to New York by, we had a. [00:24:04] Speaker C: Going away party and all these people. [00:24:06] Speaker D: Came over my parents to this big going away party the night before I. [00:24:09] Speaker C: Left for New York City. [00:24:10] Speaker D: And I just remember sitting there. That's why I mentioned days confused and goodwill hunting specifically. But I remember sitting there and being like, this is it. Guys, I love you all, but I may never see you again. I was like, I don't plan on. [00:24:24] Speaker C: Ever coming back here, man. [00:24:26] Speaker A: I love you all, but I got. [00:24:29] Speaker D: To go blaze my own path. New York's calling, and that's where I'm. [00:24:33] Speaker C: Supposed to be year and a half later. [00:24:38] Speaker D: Showing up with a backpack full. [00:24:40] Speaker C: Of clothes because I left the rest. [00:24:42] Speaker D: In New York because I couldn't find them. [00:24:43] Speaker C: And I'm just like, yeah, I'm here. [00:24:45] Speaker D: I'm going to work at the local tv station and go back to. [00:24:51] Speaker C: That'S. That's the path we all blaze. [00:24:54] Speaker D: And this captures know, and it does it without being ham fisted, and it does it without trying to be real moody about or anything like that, because that's what you'd get from, like a 90s film. [00:25:04] Speaker C: Like, oh, he's all come back. [00:25:06] Speaker D: He's like, man, life. This is a precious movie. I really think that if. [00:25:12] Speaker C: I'm not going to get into recommendations yet, but it's a precious movie. [00:25:16] Speaker A: Chris, have you had experiences like that? [00:25:19] Speaker B: Not to that extent. However, I feel like a large part of my life growing up was definitely knowing people in communities like the film, you know what I mean? Like areas in which pockets in which the people are completely. The industry is what guides the community around it, and that sense of community around it, you know what I mean? That's something I think this film does a good job of. It's not exactly like mining is anything that anyone would want to do. Obviously, it's not an illustrious thing, but the people around it and the way they have formed this group and are very congealed together, you know what I mean? And it's not a feeling of them being shoved together and it feeling like, yeah, well, we have to be friends because there's no one else here. That type of thing, you know what I mean? It feels like an organic relationships. [00:26:14] Speaker C: It's. [00:26:15] Speaker B: However, it's in the community based around that industry. So with that, it's definitely a sense of familiarity to me. And I think it's something that. [00:26:26] Speaker C: I. [00:26:26] Speaker B: Would say that I identify with those sorts of people out there in the. [00:26:30] Speaker C: World more, for sure. [00:26:31] Speaker B: I don't have that firsthand experience. Thankfully been blessed to never have to work that back breaking of labor, great grandson and grandson of minors, but thankfully did not have to do that. Life. [00:26:47] Speaker C: What's your. [00:26:48] Speaker A: What's your history with my bloody Valentine? Does it coincide with mine as well? [00:26:55] Speaker B: It's funny. [00:26:55] Speaker A: Mine's connected to you, so I was. [00:26:58] Speaker B: Trying to remember that because we did see it together, right? [00:27:02] Speaker A: So we watched it when this was over 15 years ago when it sort of had its, it was being celebrated as the sort of like hey, in the world of slasher rip offs this was actually like a pretty good original take on this concept. And I remember when we would have our movie nights back in the day and we were forming our friendship, you mentioned this, it was like oh this is supposed to be this really good unsung gem. [00:27:38] Speaker C: What is the saying? [00:27:40] Speaker B: I would say, yeah, I would say. [00:27:42] Speaker C: It'S one that didn't get uncut, it. [00:27:45] Speaker B: Didn'T get the no different film. [00:27:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:51] Speaker A: I was like oh I think we're always on the search for this. This is this movie from like 40 years ago that no one knows about that it's actually really good and people should be talking about it. [00:28:04] Speaker B: I think that would have been the second time that I had seen it because my path to the film is kind of a funny one in that whenever I was 1718 I started becoming a heavy listener of the band my bloody Valentine. Oh yeah and I love shoegazer. The album Loveless is one of my favorites and I remember being like, wait, they named themselves after a movie? I got to watch this movie. That's, they didn't, that's not a thing that happened. Wait, they did not. Yeah, Kevin Shields from my blade valve. [00:28:41] Speaker C: No, that's a guy who was a. [00:28:43] Speaker B: Member of the band was like how about this name? They're like that sounds awesome. And then like years later they're like oh there's a film called that too. [00:28:48] Speaker A: That type of the movie anymore. Let's talk about the band because now that we know that fuck this movie. [00:28:56] Speaker B: No, but anyway, so that was like the reason why I watched it now and I'm trying to remember I guess exactly the pathway there. But I know the first time I watched it it was the rated version, the american cut, rated r and I really liked it a lot and we had seen it and I don't remember if we had watched the unedited or if we had watched the rated version rated, did we? Okay yeah, but then it's a funny kind of world. I've probably seen this film like five or six times and it's funny because I go through periods of the film or the band will come up in my head and I'll start listening to the music or watching the film and it'll make me want to do the other one in mirrors of each other just because of sharing the same name even though there's no other connection beyond that. But no slasher films to me kind. [00:29:47] Speaker C: Of fall into the like, there's a. [00:29:50] Speaker B: Lot of them out there that I just find very, the pacing doesn't work for me and this is one that I think the film is such a joy to watch. The pacing works again. The characters are good. The people actually seem like they are of the age. You know what I mean? It hits on all of the things that make a successful slasher and it works for me and I love it to this day. [00:30:16] Speaker A: Do you guys prefer the original version as opposed to the uncut versions with the added stuff? [00:30:27] Speaker C: Oh, no. [00:30:28] Speaker D: Added stuff all the way. [00:30:30] Speaker B: I don't feel like I have a preference. I like them both. I mean, you know what I mean? I like the special effects and the kills definitely are much more interesting in the unedited cut. But I think that the original release works too. I think it still works. [00:30:46] Speaker D: Yeah, I agree. They both work. [00:30:49] Speaker C: I do love the added gore. [00:30:52] Speaker D: I mean, like Mabel in the dryer rose, that stuff. [00:30:56] Speaker C: Great. [00:30:59] Speaker D: I didn't know what I was missing until I saw it and I was like, oh, this movie has gone to a next level for me. [00:31:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I appreciate the, I don't think. [00:31:11] Speaker A: Anything'S really lost with the 9 minutes that's cut from it. I don't know. Sometimes it's more gruesome when you don't see it. [00:31:20] Speaker C: Sure. [00:31:21] Speaker A: But I think as a fan of it, of course you want more and of course you would enjoy that. But I like that it's got that tight running time and it's a lot of implied violence. And I think that goes hand in hand with how, like we said earlier, the characters are really likable. Like you don't want to see them die. And it's very sad and upsetting when they do. Even the annoying Howard is likeable. [00:31:52] Speaker C: Oh, Howard's great. [00:31:54] Speaker D: Alf Humphries, he's fantastic. [00:31:57] Speaker A: Now, Chris, did you recognize Keith Knight, who plays Hallis? Do you recognize him from. [00:32:06] Speaker B: Know? I was trying to put that together, actually. [00:32:08] Speaker C: What is something? What is it? Meatballs. [00:32:14] Speaker D: Right. [00:32:15] Speaker A: A favorite of. He's in meatballs. [00:32:17] Speaker C: He's in meatballs. [00:32:18] Speaker A: But he's also a character in a film we may or may not be doing later that Chris and I have talked about about how much we love siege. Siege. He's one of the blind guys. He is a guy, no, without the long hair and the mustache looks completely different. Like when he's like clean shaven, he plays like, I know exactly who you're talking about. [00:32:42] Speaker B: He's the dopey blind guy who. [00:32:44] Speaker A: Yeah, but in meatballs, it's like. [00:32:51] Speaker C: He'S. [00:32:51] Speaker A: Played a lot of, like, I'm a loser guy, but it's cool to see him. I feel like he is more like Hollis. Keith Knight is more like Hollis, where it's just like. He's just like, really like, kind of like, uh oh. And I'm your patty. [00:33:13] Speaker C: That's right. [00:33:13] Speaker B: I like the fact that Hollis got. [00:33:21] Speaker A: So to piggyback on what you were saying, chris introduced me to this movie, and it was like, at a time where I was real thirsty for original slashers. And Chris really isn't as big a fan as you and I are. Mickey, of the Friday the 13th films, I think they're fine. You enjoy them a little bit, but you're not, like, fanatic like, we are a little bit about them. [00:33:48] Speaker B: Again, it kind of falls into what I'm saying. I think a lot of them I have a problem with, the pacing of them is kind of my problem. [00:33:54] Speaker A: Sure. But this has the full clothes. [00:33:59] Speaker C: You have seen part seven, right, Chris? [00:34:01] Speaker B: I've seen them all. Honestly, they blend together, so I have a hard time. [00:34:05] Speaker D: No, I was making sure. You've seen part seven. [00:34:08] Speaker C: I was making sure. [00:34:13] Speaker B: Why is part seven big deal? [00:34:20] Speaker A: Listen to our past Friday the 13th episodes to get friends of the pod. [00:34:25] Speaker C: You get it? [00:34:25] Speaker D: Friends of the pod. [00:34:26] Speaker C: You get it? Yeah. [00:34:31] Speaker A: But, yeah, I remember watching this with you, and I got to say, this is just like, for me, this. [00:34:36] Speaker C: Is like pure 80s horror. [00:34:38] Speaker A: Pure, uncut 80s horror. It would cost so much money to make a low budget horror film like this. Nowadays, it's like impossible. I love the star of the movie the mine. Oh, that was not what I had. It reminds me of jaws, where it was like fucking nightmare shooting, the authenticity of it. But what a payoff. It was not celebrated for it at the time. Did you guys find this movie to be too dark, or did you enjoy. [00:35:17] Speaker C: Did you enjoy that? Because. [00:35:18] Speaker A: No, that was a lot of the criticism when it came out. [00:35:21] Speaker D: I never have had trouble with. [00:35:25] Speaker C: Add. [00:35:26] Speaker D: To what you're saying, michelangelo. I do think another strong point of this film is that something that's very hard to like. If anybody who's worked in the film business, you understand this, to clearly give an understanding of atmosphere and time of day or where we are in the progression of time in a particular moment, it's a hard thing to establish. And I think this film does a really good job with atmosphere, place, geography, understanding where they are in the timeline, like knowing. Like, it's very tight, very succinct. They do a wonderful job at it. And the mines part of that, the. [00:36:09] Speaker C: Bar, all of it. [00:36:11] Speaker D: They do a really great job with atmosphere. [00:36:15] Speaker C: And right at the start, this movie. [00:36:18] Speaker A: Just like the cold open two minors and then jumps. [00:36:23] Speaker C: It's a chick. Oh, boo. [00:36:25] Speaker D: Sexy minor. [00:36:27] Speaker A: Oh, we're in the movie. [00:36:29] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:36:31] Speaker B: I like the fact that just gets after it right after around the bat. I think it's funny because, I mean, it's like, who is that woman? [00:36:40] Speaker A: She is the one whose heart is in the box later. [00:36:43] Speaker C: I know. [00:36:43] Speaker A: Yeah, but who is that woman? [00:36:52] Speaker D: Sexy minor is what she goes by. [00:36:55] Speaker A: She was actually, guys, it was a progressive movie. She was actually the manager of the mine. [00:37:00] Speaker C: Oh, they missed her, man. [00:37:03] Speaker B: They move on without that manager. [00:37:04] Speaker C: Yeah, we could argue supervisor. [00:37:07] Speaker D: It would make sense that our miner would go for the supervisor. [00:37:14] Speaker A: Quick, quick. This has nothing to do with the movie. I just got to mention this to Mickey really quick. Mickey, we should set up, like a shower that. An open shower for when we're done at the end of the day at the video, know you get dust on you. You want to take a shower with your. I just. [00:37:37] Speaker D: I often consider mining and running the video stores. Very similar jobs. [00:37:42] Speaker A: Very similar jobs. [00:37:43] Speaker C: You're dealing with the same level of danger. For one. [00:37:51] Speaker A: You can ease gas problem. [00:37:57] Speaker D: I have no doubt that you can get the black lung in this basement. [00:38:00] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:38:02] Speaker A: Do not like we light a scent of candle for a reason. You know what I mean? [00:38:06] Speaker B: You got to be careful about that. [00:38:11] Speaker A: Little Zealander reference for you. [00:38:14] Speaker B: You've got a cage of dead birds from checking the air quality. [00:38:17] Speaker D: Canary. Canary in the coal mine. [00:38:20] Speaker A: That's just because we fart into the bird's mouth. It's unfortunate. I think they're just sleeping, but Mickey, I don't know. [00:38:29] Speaker D: Yeah, keeps taping her head back on. [00:38:31] Speaker B: You just broke the neck in your hands. [00:38:34] Speaker A: I just break the neck and fart in its mouth and thrown in the corner. I love it. I love this opening. And any movie that captures the excitement of, like, a Friday or a Saturday night, you know what I mean? It's like they're all work. They're having a horseshoe. It's like we have a murder, and then we're showering and we're racing and we're drinking, and this is going to be a fucking good time. [00:39:02] Speaker D: It's a good, fun movie. The music, the little, like, blue grass. They're like, getting in the cars. [00:39:10] Speaker A: It feels like. I love it. [00:39:13] Speaker D: It works on me. These are my people. [00:39:17] Speaker A: You meet all of the know Hollis and Patty and then. What's her name? Sylvia. Sylvia and. [00:39:32] Speaker D: Michael. [00:39:33] Speaker C: Mike. [00:39:34] Speaker A: I think it's Mike. Yeah. [00:39:36] Speaker C: Okay. [00:39:37] Speaker A: But you meet all the. Hollis and Patty are so sweet together. And then I love how Mike grabs Sylvia by the head and lifts her. [00:39:51] Speaker C: Up 10ft to kiss her. You know what I mean? [00:39:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:57] Speaker B: I think that it's interesting, too. I think I actually caught that on this viewing about how it's funny to see that. And then, of course, later, the impalement the killer does on the. [00:40:06] Speaker C: You know what I mean? [00:40:07] Speaker A: Like, oh, hey. [00:40:13] Speaker C: Do you guys know. [00:40:14] Speaker A: About what the town did with the mine? [00:40:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:21] Speaker A: I don't know what's the truth and what's not. I've heard some counterdicting things, but apparently they selected that mine because of how dingy it was. And then the town spent, like, a ton of money restoring it, so it looked nice for the movie. And then the movie had to spend a ton of money making it look like this. [00:40:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Can you imagine? It's a cheap budget and you're having to drop. Like, I think it was like, I read anywhere between, like 40 or 50 grand making the mine look bad or something like that. [00:40:54] Speaker A: So what I read, and it could be all bullshit, but I read the town spent 50 grand on the mine making it look nice, and then production. [00:41:03] Speaker C: Had to spend 70 to make it. [00:41:06] Speaker A: Look back the way it did before, which is hilarious. [00:41:09] Speaker D: That sucks. [00:41:13] Speaker A: And I love the sort of regional theater actor vibe to everyone in this. They're just like, I don't. You're getting these very earnest, exciting performances from all of these people who look. [00:41:28] Speaker C: Like they live in this town. Sure. [00:41:32] Speaker A: I love the mortician and the lady on the phone who's talking about how Harry wore. I don't know. [00:41:39] Speaker D: He's either he's on the slab or he said, yeah, she's great. [00:41:45] Speaker B: I like the mortician. It's like he's got the heart in the hand when he's talking. He's going to start shaking the heart to like, oh, you see what you guys are again. Is it. [00:42:00] Speaker A: Someone like, I. [00:42:02] Speaker C: Like, I've, like, I've seen, like, certain. [00:42:06] Speaker A: Productions of, like, play musicals where they take classic horror films and turn them into these campy, fun plays. Night of the living Dead is one of those things. And I think my bloody valentine could easily make. You could make it into, like, a campy, fun musical around a certain time of year. You know what I mean? [00:42:30] Speaker D: I would definitely go see maybe around Valentine's Day. [00:42:34] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know if that fits. [00:42:37] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't know. It's an idea I'm throwing out. [00:42:41] Speaker B: I know that idea. [00:42:45] Speaker A: Speaking of good or bad ideas, have you guys ever cooked on a car? [00:42:50] Speaker D: Yes, I've cooked on a Humvee. Please tell me. [00:42:58] Speaker A: Military. [00:42:59] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah. [00:42:59] Speaker D: So those in the military will understand, you get these things called meals ready to eat. They're Mre. And you have these guys in your units that just are, like, masters, culinary masters of these meals ready to eat. [00:43:11] Speaker C: Because you take out all these prepackaged. [00:43:14] Speaker D: Foods, and they come with, like, a cocoa powder. [00:43:17] Speaker C: It's like a chocolate drink that you. [00:43:20] Speaker D: Mix hot water in, and you stir it, and it makes, like, a cocoa drink. [00:43:24] Speaker C: And these guys will take that, they'll. [00:43:26] Speaker D: Mix it, and then they'll take, like, tootsie rolls that comes and numbs in it, and they'll put that on a hot engine, and they'll let the Humvee run, and it will turn. [00:43:42] Speaker C: The cocoa. [00:43:43] Speaker D: Powder into a brownie, and it will melt down the Tootsie roll just enough that they drizle it so it becomes like a hot fudge brownie, and it is delicious. They'll do that with lots of different things. Like, they'll be like, oh, well, if you combine this lemon cake, and I'll take this sugar and we'll reduce it down and they'll put it on the engine because the engines get so hot, and you don't have a way to really heat things out there because you're not going to build a fire to do it. So the thing that is most readily available and really hot is that engine. [00:44:15] Speaker C: That's awesome. [00:44:16] Speaker D: It's a whole military thing. I'll have to find some YouTube videos and send it to you. But there are guys in the military that are culinary artists of cooking on the engine. [00:44:25] Speaker C: Did you ever give it a go. [00:44:27] Speaker A: Or were you just an appreciator? [00:44:29] Speaker D: I was an appreciator. [00:44:33] Speaker A: You were a diner. You were a patron. [00:44:37] Speaker C: Listen. [00:44:38] Speaker D: Yeah, here's the thing. There are the chefs, and then there are the pallets. I have the palette. [00:44:43] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:44:47] Speaker D: It's just like this podcast. I don't make the films. I just discuss how much I like the films. [00:44:54] Speaker B: You describe it for. [00:44:58] Speaker D: As a nice. [00:44:59] Speaker C: The. [00:45:00] Speaker D: Yeah, what would you call it? [00:45:02] Speaker A: My flavor thing. [00:45:05] Speaker B: I was like, patina is not a flavor. [00:45:10] Speaker A: I screwed that up, guys. I'll own that. [00:45:15] Speaker C: And hot dog water. [00:45:18] Speaker D: Take it to my tasty hot dog water. [00:45:21] Speaker B: Have you ever murdered a man in hot dog water before? [00:45:24] Speaker D: Actually, military say that in the military. [00:45:31] Speaker B: Get to hear the war section. [00:45:34] Speaker D: I have eaten boiled hot dogs, though, from the military. [00:45:40] Speaker C: Okay, quick question. [00:45:43] Speaker A: Sidetrack on this. I don't think she has a character, a name, but the chick who's eating the lady who's eating all of the hot dogs, she's, like, eating the hot dogs, and then she's in the kitchen later, after Dave. Right before Dave gets discovered as being killed. She's eating the hot dogs. She's making the hot dogs. She's very hot dog obsessed. I'm hoping maybe she opened a hot dog store and became the hot dog queen of Nova Scotia. I don't know. She's the cook, but she's not actually cooking. It's that other blonde lady who's cooking. [00:46:16] Speaker B: She's a sous chef. [00:46:17] Speaker A: She's a sous chef. How many hot dogs do you think. [00:46:24] Speaker C: You guys could eat. [00:46:27] Speaker D: In one setting? And, like, do you have a time limit? [00:46:30] Speaker A: And not 20 years ago. I'm talking about today. [00:46:33] Speaker D: Do you have a time limit? [00:46:34] Speaker B: Are we talking. Yeah, straight. Like. [00:46:36] Speaker A: Okay, we have a new bet on our way here. Listen to around Halloween time episodes Mickey crushed and go onto Instagram. And to see Mickey crush, like, I didn't think he could get. How many apples was it? [00:46:55] Speaker D: You didn't think I get two. [00:46:58] Speaker C: Got. [00:46:58] Speaker D: I got six. Molly says it's debatable. You make your own judgment. [00:47:03] Speaker C: You watch the video, you let us know. [00:47:05] Speaker A: Yeah, but you crushed it. So how many hot dogs do you think you could eat in a part. It's a two part question. How many hot dogs would you want to eat? And how many hot dogs do you. [00:47:15] Speaker C: Think you can eat? [00:47:17] Speaker D: Okay, want to eat? Zero. [00:47:19] Speaker C: But if I had. [00:47:25] Speaker D: No, I don't mind a nice all beef hot dog every now and again. [00:47:28] Speaker B: Hot Dog. [00:47:29] Speaker A: Kosher cog. [00:47:31] Speaker C: Kosher beef dog. [00:47:33] Speaker D: I can handle that. [00:47:35] Speaker B: Dragon through the garden. [00:47:37] Speaker D: I would rather have a brat. [00:47:38] Speaker C: But anyway. But my point is this. [00:47:40] Speaker D: My point is, I'm not wanting to just go out and pound hot dogs, but if I am going to pound hot dogs and I can have water with me, I have a glass of water with me, I can easily take down 15 dogs. [00:47:53] Speaker C: 15 dogs. [00:47:54] Speaker A: And what time limit? [00:47:56] Speaker B: Open time. Like, just take them to the dome. [00:47:59] Speaker D: I would say within a 30 minutes window. If you're trying to go quicker, that's going to be harder just because I need time to process it a little bit. [00:48:06] Speaker C: No, but no bun all the way. [00:48:10] Speaker D: No, I was thinking all the way. [00:48:11] Speaker C: Carbs. [00:48:12] Speaker B: 15 dogs with a bun, 30 minutes. [00:48:15] Speaker D: If I have a big glass of water. And if I've had two beers in. [00:48:19] Speaker C: Me before I start. [00:48:21] Speaker A: Okay. [00:48:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:48:22] Speaker D: Two beer. Mickey crushes everything. [00:48:25] Speaker C: Oh, man. [00:48:25] Speaker A: I think that we have a hot dog eating contest in our future. [00:48:29] Speaker B: That sounds fun. [00:48:31] Speaker D: Let's put it this way. I could do 15 and 15, so. [00:48:34] Speaker C: 15 and 15 minutes with a glass of water. [00:48:37] Speaker B: 15 minutes with buns. [00:48:40] Speaker C: Wow. [00:48:40] Speaker D: Yeah. If I have a glass of water, because I would need to maybe soak a little bit so that I can get it in. [00:48:52] Speaker A: Deleted scene from cruising when Pacino's, like, just in that hot dog eating contest. [00:49:00] Speaker B: Chris, man, I got no, I've never. I've never taken part in any eating competitions before. I feel like I would do well with them. The time functionality, though, I don't know about that. You know what I mean? I definitely tell you. I mean, I'm getting to that point, being an old man of like, because automatically you start saying, I was like, well, what time of the day are we talking here? [00:49:25] Speaker C: Because if it's about my acid reflux. [00:49:32] Speaker A: I got to have a couple of pills ready. [00:49:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:35] Speaker B: Do I get a fryless before I start? [00:49:48] Speaker A: If you're just enjoying hot dogs, what are you having? Like, two, three? [00:49:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:52] Speaker B: Normally, like, a couple of dogs. I'm a big one for in the summer. Like, you make some burgers, you grill some dogs, you throw some italian sausage. It's your menagerie of meats that your doctor then guilts you about later. [00:50:05] Speaker D: I love it. [00:50:06] Speaker A: Tennessee Williams. [00:50:09] Speaker D: New side podcast, menagerie of meats. [00:50:12] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, there you go. The cooking side of the podcast. Grill hot dogs on a 1977 Chevy. [00:50:22] Speaker A: Oh, I love that idea. That's great. Next, company retreat. Mickey from 15 and 15, all cooked on the fucking grill of a car. [00:50:35] Speaker D: All in a junkyard, while you two are playing harmonica. [00:50:40] Speaker A: I do have a couple of harmonicas. [00:50:42] Speaker D: I believe that Michelangelo yourself hot dogs. I mean, I've seen that mouth's taken down a few. [00:50:53] Speaker A: My days of eating a ridiculous amount of hot dogs is past me, but I feel like I could eat more. [00:51:02] Speaker C: Hot dogs than you, Mickey. [00:51:04] Speaker D: I do. [00:51:07] Speaker A: Challenge. That said, man, I'll maybe have one or two a year in the summertime. And I got to tell you, I really do prefer hot dog, because a hot dog is so processed to begin with. It's so processed to begin with. My father was a butcher, and I know how those things are made. [00:51:35] Speaker B: Why? Your father's ashamed by you? [00:51:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:38] Speaker D: I don't know. [00:51:39] Speaker A: My father would agree with me. [00:51:41] Speaker C: He loves me. [00:51:41] Speaker A: He would agree with me. He'd say, how handsome I was. [00:51:45] Speaker D: I thought you said no girls were allowed down here. [00:51:47] Speaker C: Hey, not cool. [00:51:52] Speaker A: Not cool. [00:51:55] Speaker B: You've said that phrase to me a couple of times, and I ball my fist every time you say it to me, though, about your dog. [00:52:03] Speaker A: I like a turkey dog, but if I'm in Chicago, I love a Chicago style. Different. [00:52:11] Speaker D: Yeah, that's a different. [00:52:15] Speaker A: Salad on your hot dog. [00:52:17] Speaker B: We're going to go to Wiener Circle and see how many we can pound down. [00:52:19] Speaker D: But I'll also tell you, I like a ballpark dog, and they're not here. I know, but what's a ballpark dog? [00:52:28] Speaker C: There? [00:52:29] Speaker A: No, the wiener circle dog is a different thing. [00:52:32] Speaker C: Here. [00:52:36] Speaker B: You leave that cruising episode. [00:52:38] Speaker A: I went to the Wiener circle once, and I got to tell you, I was very polite. I didn't like the whole concept of you're mean and I'm mean. I was just like, may I please. [00:52:46] Speaker C: Have this and that? Yeah, you didn't get it. [00:52:52] Speaker B: And then you had a problem with it. I got you. [00:52:57] Speaker A: I just didn't feel like cursing and demanding things from black women. I thought maybe I shouldn't do that. Maybe that's a bad look. Maybe that's not a good thing to do. Maybe we should treat each other with kindness. Respect in this was. [00:53:13] Speaker D: No, Chris. I thought it was reverse. I thought it was like, they're making fun of you and they're insulting you and you're just taking it. [00:53:20] Speaker C: It's both. [00:53:21] Speaker A: It's you give me a fucking hot dog, you stupid bitch. Oh, this fucking asshole with a tiny dick wants a hot dog. [00:53:29] Speaker C: Okay. It's that sort of thing. Or at least it was. [00:53:31] Speaker A: I don't know what it is now. [00:53:32] Speaker C: I don't know. Yeah. [00:53:33] Speaker B: I haven't been there in a long time. I don't know. [00:53:35] Speaker C: Wow. Might not be as much of a thing anymore, but have you ever had. [00:53:40] Speaker A: I don't know if it's called. I don't know if it's cuban or puerto rican, but I was watching, like, a. [00:53:44] Speaker D: Listeners who don't know. For the listeners who don't know, though, for the listeners who don't know, can you explain this? It's like a wiener dog truck in Chicago, because I think that we didn't. [00:53:54] Speaker C: You mentioned it, but can you explain it a little? [00:53:57] Speaker A: So it's. [00:53:58] Speaker C: You can watch. [00:53:59] Speaker A: Conan O'Brien went there. It's a place in Chicago where you can get hot dogs and burgers and stuff late night after you've been drinking, and the staff will treat you like shit. And you can treat the staff like shit. [00:54:11] Speaker C: Is the whole, like, the kitchen. [00:54:13] Speaker A: But I mean, they are like. It's good, greasy late night food. [00:54:21] Speaker D: It's a thing. People know it's very popular. [00:54:23] Speaker A: It's a thing because drunk finance bros like, cursing at women, I think is really what's going on there. [00:54:31] Speaker C: And they're not taking it. But I was watching a baseball thing. [00:54:35] Speaker A: And I don't know if it was, like, cuban or. [00:54:41] Speaker C: And it might be both. [00:54:42] Speaker A: I don't know. But it's a thing in Cuba or Puerto Rico to take potato chips and crush them up almost into powder and put that in your hot dog with. [00:54:51] Speaker B: Mustard and relish that before. [00:54:53] Speaker A: And they are so fucking good when you do that. It's crazy good. It's so delicious. You could easily eat three or four of them when they're made that way. It's crazy. Sorry, this is a hot dog episode. [00:55:08] Speaker D: Hey, am I right? A bromance. Like a true bromance. [00:55:12] Speaker A: True bromance. [00:55:13] Speaker D: We bromance. We're just talking about wieners the whole time. [00:55:17] Speaker B: Well, I think it's easy to get into a meat discussion with your buds. [00:55:24] Speaker D: With your mine and buddies. [00:55:31] Speaker C: Talking about all the buds. I don't know if you felt this. [00:55:35] Speaker D: Or not, but when I was watching it, did you have any kind of just joy with the wardrobes? I thought the wardrobes are really good here. [00:55:44] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:55:47] Speaker B: Everyone looks like. I mean, again, right? I think it kind of goes into a lot of what we're saying that everything actually matches, you know what I mean? They look about the right age. They've got the right aesthetic, you know what I mean? They seem like they're in their early twenty s and they're kind of obviously probably a little past the age of going to college would be my guess, that type of thing. But they've got that look. I think that it all matches up. [00:56:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:15] Speaker D: I mean, from the little trucker hats to. It feels like such a nostalgic fit. Yeah. So good. This is the clothes these people were wearing. And these people were like middle class, hardworking folks that were getting into acting. I'm putting that on them. But that's what it felt like. [00:56:35] Speaker C: It felt so authentic, this film. [00:56:39] Speaker B: Don't get me wrong, you wouldn't want to live the life of being a minor in a small town, but it. [00:56:45] Speaker C: Has this cozy quality to it. [00:56:49] Speaker A: Very cozy, very charming. [00:56:52] Speaker B: Community is nice. It's like, oh, yeah, we want to have a party at the union hall and we're going to go and do the local tavern and have beers and give shit to the old man bartender, it's just a cozy life. It is funny, though. I think that it's like all the kids or the young adults, right? And then you got the mayor dad, who owns the mine, and then the chief. And then outside of that, there's, like, no one else. Well, Mabel. And there's, like, no one else. [00:57:23] Speaker A: There's that fisherman looking guy who's got the pipe. When happy the bartender is telling us the story the first time, is he. [00:57:32] Speaker B: Just sitting at the bar? [00:57:33] Speaker A: He's just sitting at the bar. And he looks like a fisherman and he's got a pipe. But, yeah, you're absolutely right. Outside of those, like, the Mabel and chief and mayor, it's like a town of young people. [00:57:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like middle. There's no middle aged people in the town. You know what I mean? [00:57:50] Speaker D: And in true canadian fashion, even their serial killer, his reason for killing isn't like an. Right. Like, you think about Freddy Krueger, Michael Myers. These guys are driven by. He molested children and kidnapped them. The other one killed his teenage sister while she was having sex with. After she had sex with it. [00:58:18] Speaker C: These are, like, Creepos. [00:58:23] Speaker D: He is just trying to get back at these guys that were like corporate supervisors that ditched these hardworking miners down in the mine. Harry had to keep himself alive, like eating his friends. [00:58:38] Speaker B: Harry's pretty justified. [00:58:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:41] Speaker B: I mean, don't get me wrong. [00:58:42] Speaker A: He's a tragic character. And he wasn't saying he wasn't just. [00:58:47] Speaker D: Killing on a killing spree. He was like, just don't have that dance. Bad things are going to happen again. And I'm going to teach you guys not to do this. [00:58:54] Speaker C: By. [00:58:55] Speaker D: If you do, will, I will start taking revenge on folks. You should not be having this Valentine's dance. [00:59:02] Speaker A: Does the original Harry kill anyone? Quote unquote innocent? Is it just the. [00:59:09] Speaker B: No, he just killed just. [00:59:10] Speaker A: Yeah, the two managers who were, like, fucking off. [00:59:13] Speaker D: The two supervisors. [00:59:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:17] Speaker B: The other miners died. Yeah, I imagine, right? Like, you're put in that shoes, right? You're doing this job, your supervisors are lax, leading to an explosion that kills your friends and leads you to have to go to such a desperate places to live on cannibalism to survive. [00:59:33] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:59:34] Speaker B: You would fucking murder them, you know? [00:59:38] Speaker D: Or you would be in therapy for. [00:59:39] Speaker A: The rest of your life to keep. [00:59:40] Speaker D: You from murdering them because it would be constantly on your mind. Essentially, they were left there for dead by two supervisors who wanted to go get drunk at the Valentine's Day party and look at some young ladies so. [00:59:56] Speaker C: I took it again. [00:59:59] Speaker B: Who's the bad guy of the film? Capitalism. [01:00:03] Speaker A: Capitalism, yes. Right. [01:00:08] Speaker D: See, it ties in with american psycho. [01:00:11] Speaker B: That's true. [01:00:15] Speaker C: Now. Okay, let's talk about serious TJ and Axel. Oh, yeah, the thruffle. [01:00:25] Speaker A: Is Sarah leading? [01:00:29] Speaker C: It's. [01:00:30] Speaker D: I think it's more complex than. [01:00:33] Speaker A: Course, of course, but elaborate. [01:00:35] Speaker C: Mickey. [01:00:37] Speaker D: Well, they have a very serious past together. And he left her to go pursue a different life. And probably out of just like, pure. [01:00:48] Speaker C: Kindness was like, hey, we should probably not be together because it's going to. [01:00:53] Speaker D: Be so long, and I want you to feel okay to move on. And during that time, she ends up probably seeking some kind of relationship with Axel. Because what they share together is TJ. [01:01:07] Speaker C: Right. His best friend, her girlfriend, the thing they have in common, small town, they get together. [01:01:14] Speaker D: TJ returns, and he's not super forceful, but maybe there's something still there. And I think that's what that is. I don't think Sarah's leading her on. I think Sarah's probably confused and like, I don't want know. I'm not going to close the door on this guy because we had a long history together. [01:01:32] Speaker C: I think she's leaving her door open. [01:01:38] Speaker B: What about the opposite of, like, what about TJ just thinks that he can come back and just pick things up where it was like, nothing's changed. [01:01:46] Speaker D: Agreed. Yeah, I think that's presumptuous on TJ's part for I. I think that I've been in those situations. I left a girlfriend for a period of time and kind of broke it off with her and been know, you go, have your experience. Let me have my experience. And then I come back and I'm like, but you're the person. You're one of the conduits to me enjoying this life. It's like, is there still something there? And her being like, I'm confused. I don't know. So there kind of is still something there. And we go to dinners and she's had other dates and other guys and. [01:02:15] Speaker C: Other suitors, but then we rekindle the thing that was there. [01:02:20] Speaker D: I don't know, I'm just saying it's tough to put. It's all gray. [01:02:25] Speaker C: It's all gray. [01:02:27] Speaker A: I get the impression, though, that he didn't go, hey, I'm leaving. You should do your own thing. I think he just left. [01:02:35] Speaker B: Picked up and left. [01:02:37] Speaker C: No checking in. [01:02:38] Speaker B: That's the thing she says, at least. [01:02:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:02:40] Speaker A: And I think the thing she's looking for is closure. That's why it's like, when he shoves her in the car, she kind of gives little smiles and her friends, like, which one do you want? And she's kind of like, I like. [01:02:54] Speaker B: The beginning of that statement, though. Whenever he shoves her in the car, she kind of smile. [01:03:00] Speaker C: She does. [01:03:05] Speaker A: How much is that, the movie being, like, we need to not hate TJ. So kind of like, oh, TJ. [01:03:11] Speaker D: He's so. [01:03:13] Speaker A: But, like, I think it's her leading. I don't think she's leading him on, but, like, I think it's her need for closure. [01:03:23] Speaker C: Right. [01:03:23] Speaker A: She wants an apology. And I think she probably still does have feelings for him, but, like, too little, too late at this point, really. [01:03:33] Speaker B: I got a slightly different read on. Like, I think her feelings are for TJ. Not really for safe. You know what? [01:03:44] Speaker A: Safe and reliable and there. [01:03:46] Speaker B: Yeah, but the feelings for TJ haven't gone away. Despite that feeling, though, of, like, fool me once, that whole thing. Fool me once, shame on me twice. [01:03:57] Speaker A: Once, trust, shame on you. [01:03:59] Speaker B: I prefer. [01:04:07] Speaker A: To happen again. [01:04:11] Speaker B: I think that's the thing with her. I think that if she was probably being honest, she would probably say that she loves TJ, but she can't really go there quite with him because of the fact that she feels betrayed because of what he did. And so that's kind of where I don't think that women have a very declarative voice in this film. Obviously, it's a very macho film that's through the man's lens. But I like that little line that she has of when she's talking with Peggy. Was it. Honestly, I don't really care about either of them. [01:04:46] Speaker D: Yeah, I love that line. For me, that line is like, little vindication for the women of this film. It's like, honestly, she didn't say this, but to the effect of, honestly, I'm just kind of tired of both of them. [01:04:58] Speaker C: Right. [01:04:59] Speaker D: It's like they're both vying for my attention, and they both think that they can somehow control it. In the end of the day, it's my choice. And right now, my choice is to just be to them, just sleep with each other. [01:05:14] Speaker A: I don't get that, but that's funny. [01:05:20] Speaker D: He went out west, he went out to LA. [01:05:22] Speaker A: We experimented a little bit, came back. [01:05:26] Speaker B: Playing with each other, drinking Canadians and canadian club whiskey. [01:05:35] Speaker A: I don't think Axel and TJ have good chemistry. I don't buy them as, like, we were once good friends. [01:05:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:42] Speaker B: Okay. That's a good question. Were they really good friends once upon a time, or were they just kind of like part of the same friend group. That's something that I've always, I guess, struggled with. [01:05:52] Speaker A: Based off of the performance, I would say the latter or the former. I would say they weren't good friends. They were just in the same group. [01:06:03] Speaker B: The same friend. [01:06:05] Speaker A: Like, Axel was always second fiddle to TJ, because TJ's dad is the. [01:06:10] Speaker C: The. [01:06:10] Speaker A: He's got the sports know, you see. [01:06:13] Speaker D: I had a different read on that. Well, first of all, I took the text as text. I thought that they were probably best friends. I think that TJ's been gone long enough that their relationship is very uncomfortable and distant because this guy is coming back to his best friend, who's now with Sarah, right? So it's like, he's guarded. Axel's guarded because Axel's like, whoa, I'm going to maybe lose Sarah because TJ's back. Like, when TJ was gone, they were not in competition with each other, and they were best friends. So that's where I took that distance that you're talking about. I always read it as this is a very guarded time for both of them. Like, they're not going to just slip back into friendship like that. They're going to be, like, a little. [01:06:58] Speaker C: Distant in how they react with one another. [01:07:04] Speaker A: I think when you're a true friend, not a bullshit friend, I think there's more going on there, and I don't think that's there in this movie. So I think maybe they were just bullshit best friends. They were best friends because, like, oh, I'm the fucking head dog and you're the second one. You're, like, the second best guy. So I guess we're going to be friends because it's a small town. [01:07:31] Speaker D: I think both of us are putting more thought into that relationship than the writer. [01:07:37] Speaker B: Like, I guess I always wanted them to be, like, former best friends. In my head, I think that's always how I form it, even when I'm not watching the film between viewings. But then TJ has that line, was it like, oh, the thing is, I even like the son of a bitch or something like that when talking about Axel because of them, whenever they're about ready to have the fistfight and all that. [01:07:59] Speaker C: So it's like, my read on it. [01:08:01] Speaker B: Is what's in the film is that they're more like, just part of the same friend group. But I want them to have been former best friends in that whole, like. [01:08:09] Speaker A: When they're doing the harmonica stuff, it's like, if they had kind of, like, given in a little bit to doing a duet and then had a good laugh about it. I would have seen, like, a little connective tissue to like, oh, man. We used to play their harmonica. [01:08:23] Speaker C: We used to laugh, these guys, they're. [01:08:26] Speaker D: Playing together like they've played together before. I mean, this is not like we're just going to pick up our harmonicas. [01:08:31] Speaker C: And improv this, but like I said, two different reads. [01:08:39] Speaker B: Do you have something? [01:08:39] Speaker C: Sorry. [01:08:40] Speaker A: No, please go ahead. [01:08:41] Speaker B: I have something on this watch that I never really quite caught before, and I want to get your thoughts on this. So, of know there's the whole love triangle. TJ, Alex, Sarah. [01:08:49] Speaker C: Right. [01:08:50] Speaker B: Is there a bit of a love triangle between Mabel, Mayor Hannigar, and chief? [01:09:01] Speaker C: Okay. [01:09:01] Speaker B: So whenever we're first introduced to Mabel and Mayor Hanniger, they're having that conversation about the party and, ha ha. And it's a little flirty. They're having, like, a little banter back and forth, and it's a little playful. [01:09:13] Speaker C: Right. [01:09:14] Speaker B: Then when Mabel's killed, you see that she had sent the. Would you be my Valentine to chief newbie? [01:09:22] Speaker C: Okay. [01:09:24] Speaker B: Was there possibly a love triangle happening there that unfortunately was taken out by Mabel's death at the laundromat? [01:09:34] Speaker A: This is my fan fiction, but I don't see it. But I'll look into it, and maybe I'll see that now that you pointed it out. [01:09:46] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm converted. I'm with you, Chris. I'm converted. It's a definite, definite, definite. No, not thruffle. [01:09:54] Speaker C: Sorry. [01:09:54] Speaker D: Thruffle would be everybody engaging in it. No, it's definitely a love triangle. [01:09:58] Speaker C: Yes. Totally makes sense now. I think chief is gay, and he's. [01:10:04] Speaker A: Going to go undercover episode. [01:10:09] Speaker C: We did it. [01:10:13] Speaker A: I need another 3 hours to talk about cruising anyways. I think that's pretty interesting, and I'm looking forward to watching this movie again with that in mind. [01:10:26] Speaker C: Watch it. Yeah. Check it now. Okay. Axel. Yeah. Axel. [01:10:35] Speaker A: Axel, do you think Axel is having a psychotic break? [01:10:40] Speaker C: Is he planning this? [01:10:42] Speaker A: Is he plotting? Is he in love with Sarah? Is he not in love with, like, is he wanting this all to happen. [01:10:49] Speaker C: Or is he doing it because he's. [01:10:51] Speaker A: Like, schizophrenic and he's having a psychotic episode? [01:10:54] Speaker C: Or think that's. [01:10:57] Speaker B: I think that is something that if you really want to dive into that, that's a bit of a hole for the film. [01:11:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:03] Speaker D: That's where the writing is. [01:11:05] Speaker C: Like. [01:11:05] Speaker D: That's where it kind of falls apart a little bit. [01:11:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:09] Speaker A: You are the victim, so now you're a killer. [01:11:12] Speaker B: Well, if that had created such scarring for him to become a murderer himself and to kind of then follow that, then he wouldn't be as cool and collected as he is. Every time we see him in the film leading up to the reveal, you know, warden is here. [01:11:32] Speaker D: Everybody get the fuck out. [01:11:36] Speaker A: The scene where they have the fight, they're having the Valentine's day party at the mine, and they have the fight, and he runs off. And he's like, crying by himself, right? He's like crying and he's upset, maybe a little drunk. [01:11:51] Speaker C: And. [01:11:55] Speaker A: That'S what makes me think, is he trying to hold it together? Is he trying not to kill? [01:11:59] Speaker C: Because no one's around. [01:12:02] Speaker A: No one's seen him do that. So who is that performance for? And if it's not a performance for someone, then what's actually happening now? [01:12:10] Speaker C: Of course there is. [01:12:11] Speaker A: Just like, the filmmaking doesn't quite line up. That's probably what's happening. But if I'm trying to make sense of what I see in front of me, how do you make sense of it? [01:12:23] Speaker B: That's a tall ask. Unfortunately, you could fill that in with your own story if you want, but that's your own writing, not what's in the. [01:12:35] Speaker A: Have you guys filled it in? Or are you just kind of. Ah, it's just a thing that doesn't quite work. [01:12:39] Speaker B: No, I'm not going. Doesn't. It doesn't line up to me, but I don't care. [01:12:45] Speaker A: So Chris is lazy and doesn't care. Mickey, what interesting, thought provoking, intelligent insights do you have? [01:12:52] Speaker D: There's never a moment where I feel that there is a triggering to make him go psychotic. I don't think there's anything that ever aligns itself to that. So in that moment. [01:13:07] Speaker C: I have to. [01:13:08] Speaker D: Believe from the start, he's in a period of some kind of psychosis. Like, we pick up in the middle of him going through a psychotic break. Because otherwise they would give an indicator that you can go back later on and be like, oh, that was an Easter egg. Kind of teasing us that he was going to be the killer. But there's really nothing like that. [01:13:26] Speaker A: Apparently, they kept the killer a secret from everyone in the cast until the end of shooting. [01:13:32] Speaker C: Oh, really? Which I don't know about that. Yeah. [01:13:43] Speaker A: Go ahead. [01:13:45] Speaker D: Well, to keep it from. [01:13:46] Speaker C: You kept it from Neil Affleck. [01:13:48] Speaker D: They kept it from the actor. Yeah, I think apparently I don't know the truth. [01:13:57] Speaker A: I don't know the truth behind that. [01:14:04] Speaker B: I guess it would kind of make sense. And that he's playing the character so stoic as to kind of hide it. [01:14:09] Speaker C: But I don't know. [01:14:12] Speaker B: I was just going to say, though, it's like, really, though? That's one of the kind of departures. [01:14:17] Speaker C: Of the film in that. [01:14:18] Speaker B: Why does he care so much about his relationship with Sarah, considering what he is doing? You know what I mean? Those things don't really line up. [01:14:32] Speaker A: Is it a tool to further his agenda? [01:14:35] Speaker B: Right, but how would it further? [01:14:38] Speaker A: Or does he just hate TJ and he's fucking, like, sticking it to TJ? [01:14:43] Speaker D: Or maybe he hates the Hennegars. Maybe he has a bone to pick with the Hennegars. And then maybe his part of his ruining TJ's life is when TJ leaves. [01:14:57] Speaker C: Him taking his know. [01:14:59] Speaker D: And maybe Michelangelo's right, that there are just surface level friends in a friend group. And so when TJ's back, he's like, maybe Axel thinks of them as closer than TJ does. And he's like, yeah, just tolerate this guy. And this is one of, like, Axel just. TJ's back now, and they're having the Valentine's Day dance. Oh, I'm getting them all. [01:15:18] Speaker A: I'm taking them all out. [01:15:19] Speaker D: I'm taking them all out. [01:15:21] Speaker A: You'd be a great Axel, Mickey. [01:15:24] Speaker B: Oh, my. [01:15:24] Speaker A: Was. [01:15:36] Speaker B: The insanity that Axel has at the tail end, whenever he's laughing maniacally and yelling about what he'll be with you, Harry, or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, all that that happens. The problem is that doesn't really jive within what has happened beforehand. You know what I mean? All of that says leads. Like, there'd be a level of composure, whereas the tail end, he's like, full on, like. [01:16:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:16:16] Speaker B: Which. Yeah, I think that's one of the things. It's like, yeah, it's just disconnected. And I don't think because of that fact, I don't think I can really quite match it up. [01:16:26] Speaker C: Right. [01:16:27] Speaker B: To say psychotic break or whatever. [01:16:30] Speaker C: Do you think this movie would be. [01:16:34] Speaker A: Better if Axel Palmer was replaced with. [01:16:43] Speaker B: Know the? They're doing Beverly Hills cop four, and I hear that it's actually going to be a hybrid between my bloody Valentine and. [01:16:50] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I heard, too. That's what I heard, too. [01:16:52] Speaker B: Eddie Murphy wrote it himself. [01:16:59] Speaker D: I had a question. Do you think Aaron Ralston was a. [01:17:02] Speaker C: Fan of my bloody Valentine? Who is that? [01:17:08] Speaker D: Aaron Ralston. You have seen a movie about him. It's called 127 hours. [01:17:13] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:17:16] Speaker A: There we go. [01:17:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:17:18] Speaker B: He was like, oh, that's how you do it. [01:17:19] Speaker C: That's okay. [01:17:20] Speaker A: I know what I got to do. [01:17:21] Speaker D: I know what I got to do because I remember watching my bloody Valentine when I was a kid. [01:17:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:17:25] Speaker A: My bloody Valentine also lives no shade. [01:17:29] Speaker D: To Aaron Ralston, you're an incredible human. [01:17:32] Speaker C: Who did very difficult task to get. [01:17:35] Speaker D: Yourself free, and so did Axel, for that matter. [01:17:44] Speaker B: It's such a shame we didn't get. [01:17:45] Speaker C: A my bloody Valentine too, right? [01:17:48] Speaker B: I wish. [01:17:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:17:51] Speaker D: It makes total sense to. [01:17:53] Speaker A: I guess it kind of makes it special that it's a standalone thing. [01:17:57] Speaker B: I know, but I don't know. It would have been fun. [01:17:59] Speaker A: I wanted them to run it into the ground. That would be great. [01:18:02] Speaker B: Why not? [01:18:05] Speaker C: Okay. [01:18:06] Speaker A: I want to talk about happy. I love happy. He's in black Christmas. We have a black Christmas episode. [01:18:15] Speaker C: Check that out. [01:18:16] Speaker D: Another great canadian slasher. [01:18:19] Speaker A: Do you think he's always that angry, intense? Or do you think it's just around Valentine's Day, but the rest of the time he's like a really nice. He's more like when he's like. He's more of the mood of when he's setting up the prank. He's so happy about that prank. He is so tickled with himself. He opens that door four times. [01:18:41] Speaker D: Four times. He's like, oh, man. Every time it gives him a good laugh. [01:18:46] Speaker A: But I think dangerous, by the way, that's a dangerous prank. [01:18:49] Speaker B: Don't pull. [01:18:49] Speaker A: That's a very dangerous prank. [01:18:51] Speaker D: I also think that makes happy also kind of like an asshole. That's like an asshole prank. [01:18:57] Speaker C: You know what? [01:18:58] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:18:59] Speaker D: It's like that could go wrong in so many ways. [01:19:02] Speaker C: And happy's playing on these kids at all. [01:19:06] Speaker A: The people Axel kills as Harry. I think happy might be the only. [01:19:13] Speaker C: Asshole in the group. [01:19:15] Speaker B: And I think you can make a good argument that happy is the one that he shouldn't have killed. [01:19:21] Speaker C: He's a proponent. [01:19:22] Speaker A: Because now, yeah, he's going to tell the legend. [01:19:24] Speaker D: He's helping. [01:19:25] Speaker B: He's all about that legend. He's all about like, you can't do. [01:19:28] Speaker A: Anything with this prank. He'll screw up his whole plan to know, have all the people at the mine. [01:19:39] Speaker C: He's trying to get everybody at the mine. [01:19:41] Speaker D: Isn't that what he wants? He just wants Valentine's Day to end. He doesn't want people partying, doesn't want the dance. [01:19:46] Speaker A: So isn't happy kind of like an allies'motivation? I feel like he wants everyone to go to the mine so he can kill them. But you're saying he doesn't want people selling. [01:19:55] Speaker C: Do you think he kills people. [01:19:57] Speaker B: Even if Valentine's doesn't happen, doesn't Axel argue against it? When they're like, why don't we just do a party at the union hall? Doesn't he say something about not doing that? [01:20:09] Speaker C: I can't remember. [01:20:10] Speaker D: I can't remember. [01:20:10] Speaker A: That necessarily means he doesn't want it. Sometimes when you want something, you reverse psychology. [01:20:17] Speaker D: But hold on. We have to go back on the original kill, right? He kills that girl first in the mines. [01:20:22] Speaker B: That's true. [01:20:23] Speaker D: Does he know that there's going to be a Valentine's Day dance there or. [01:20:26] Speaker C: Is he just 20 years anniversary. I've lost it. I've snapped. I think he knows. [01:20:31] Speaker A: He's in that friend group they're setting up the next day. [01:20:35] Speaker B: Yeah, they're setting up the party now. It's not going to be in the mines, but it'll be at the union hall. [01:20:39] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:20:40] Speaker C: Okay. [01:20:40] Speaker A: The party is happening. [01:20:42] Speaker B: Setting him off. You know what I mean? I think it's the celebration that's setting him off, which is funny. You know what I mean? Exactly to your point, right. He's having a psychotic break. But his psychotic break is so easily controlled that if you're having a party or not, having party will be whether I go full psychotic. [01:21:09] Speaker A: People are not. [01:21:15] Speaker C: But that's okay. Yeah. [01:21:19] Speaker B: It doesn't take away from my enjoyment. It's one of those things. Right. Some films are just. You don't need to have a fully fleshed out world. You know what I mean? This isn't something that, that lack of detail, that lack of clarity doesn't take away from the enjoyment as opposed to another thing. It's a real linchpin. [01:21:40] Speaker A: I'm agreeing with you. But in a different way. I think it's a fully fleshed out world, and that's why I accept this. I think it's more of like a character arc issue than it is the world issue. [01:21:55] Speaker C: I think the world makes sense and. [01:21:57] Speaker A: The character's motivations make sense, except motivation. The world according to him, which impacts everyone. [01:22:08] Speaker B: That's the sequel to this, if I'm not mistaken. [01:22:10] Speaker A: Get your dick chopped. That's what it was. Blowjob. [01:22:14] Speaker C: Can I talk about Sylvia for a second? Sure. Please. Little shower sex. Sylvia likes being picked up by the head. [01:22:23] Speaker A: She likes beer, she likes showers. She likes sex. She likes sex with beer. And she has an interest in how. [01:22:30] Speaker C: Things work in the mind. Sex with beer? [01:22:32] Speaker B: Is that what you said? [01:22:33] Speaker A: Yeah, because she's like, she's ready to fucking have sex, but then she's like. [01:22:37] Speaker D: You know what we could really use. [01:22:38] Speaker C: Is a couple of beers. [01:22:40] Speaker A: That's kind of her undoing. [01:22:43] Speaker B: Have a drink. Yeah. Is there anything. Again, maybe having a bit of an old man moment, but I was like, oh, man. Trying to have sex on a couple of benches put together. That looks really painful. [01:22:53] Speaker A: Well, that's when you're young and you're fucking. [01:22:57] Speaker D: You can do it anywhere. [01:22:59] Speaker B: Again, being a bit of an old man. [01:23:02] Speaker A: Would you guys go into the mine? [01:23:04] Speaker C: Yes. [01:23:05] Speaker A: When they're like, let's go in the mine. [01:23:07] Speaker C: Yes. Okay. Mickey's. Yes. [01:23:08] Speaker A: Chris is. No, don't. [01:23:10] Speaker C: Chris. [01:23:10] Speaker A: Why? No, I'm not claustrophobic. [01:23:13] Speaker B: Claustrophobic. But if you're telling me that I'm going, like, 900ft down or whatever they say, 3 Miles. [01:23:20] Speaker A: I think it's 3 Miles. [01:23:21] Speaker B: 3 Miles? That's even worse. 3 Miles down to a mine. Like, I'm sorry, but no. My inner OSHA inspector tells me that's a horrible idea. [01:23:37] Speaker C: I love it. [01:23:39] Speaker A: And Mickey, you say yes. Yeah. [01:23:42] Speaker D: In my early mid 20s, man, there are places that I got convinced to go that should have, like, ended my life easily. I'll throw on some leather. I'll do the thing. But no, it's true. I had no care in the world. I was like, these guys. I'm young. It's like, there's nothing out there to get me. There's nothing wrong with the world. Everything's going to work out for me. [01:24:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:24:07] Speaker D: You want me to go into a mine? I'll go into a mine. I've been in caves, like, climbing with friends that I should never have gone into. I've done a lot of just, like, I see a big, deep hole, I. [01:24:17] Speaker C: Just go for it. [01:24:22] Speaker B: That could be if you're ever single again, Mickey. That could be the header for your dating profile. [01:24:30] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:24:36] Speaker A: I'm an idiot. [01:24:40] Speaker C: Right there with you. [01:24:44] Speaker A: Okay. [01:24:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:24:48] Speaker D: Michelangelo, how are you going in that? [01:24:55] Speaker A: I got to say, if I'm on shrooms, I want to go on that mine. Oh, God. [01:25:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:25:01] Speaker A: Chris has done a couple of drugs with me, and I want to explore when I'm on those drugs, I believe it. [01:25:08] Speaker D: Poppers. You're going in that? You're going in there? [01:25:12] Speaker A: Loosen up my asshole. We'll go in the mine and see what happens. And there is something to be like, if I worked in the mine, maybe I'd want to go down in the mine with my girlfriend, because it's like, how cool would it be to have sex in the mine? You're not supposed to have sex in the mine. And I have sex in the mine. And it's like, especially when you look at it like, this is my life as this town. [01:25:32] Speaker D: This is my job. [01:25:33] Speaker A: This is the job I'm going to. [01:25:34] Speaker D: Have until I retire. [01:25:36] Speaker A: I'm going to die here. It would be cool maybe to have sex where I work, where I'm going to be spending my entire life. And every time when I go down into that mine and I'm hungover or miserable or don't want to be there, and I'm just working because I have to do it, like I can remember me and Sylvia one time. [01:25:59] Speaker B: Boredom. Whenever you got nothing to do and you're young and dumb. [01:26:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:26:03] Speaker B: That can lead to some know. That's it. I think it's TJ who says that whenever they're going to go down too. About like, no women are allowed in the mines. [01:26:13] Speaker C: They say that? Yeah. [01:26:14] Speaker A: No women allowed in the mines. [01:26:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:26:17] Speaker B: Small town. They let the women work in the mines is what I'm hearing. [01:26:22] Speaker C: Yeah. They're protecting them, Chris. [01:26:26] Speaker A: They don't belong down there. [01:26:27] Speaker B: Are they weak for the knees whenever you're working? [01:26:33] Speaker A: You know, TJ, Paul Kilman, I have to say. So I came up with this whole. [01:26:39] Speaker C: Subplot about him based off of the. [01:26:43] Speaker A: Fact that I thought he was in black Christmas. I thought he was the boyfriend whose girlfriend's killed at the very beginning. Spoilers for black Christmas. He's the hockey player who wears the pride colored Jason mask. I thought that was the same actor, but it's not. And when you look up Paul Kilman, I thought he was probably in a bunch of stuff. He has the look of a guy. And he also carries himself in this film. Like he's a guy who's been in a bunch of movies and he's got some credits around this time, but it's not like fucking Alf Humphries, who plays Howard Axel Palmer, Neil Affleck. Like, these guys have credits that go forever. Freaking even Hollis Keith Knight, he does a lot of voiceover work. It's just interesting to like. [01:27:43] Speaker C: I guess he just quit acting. Yeah. [01:27:47] Speaker D: I don't know. I have in my notes I wrote down, he's like the Canadian. [01:27:52] Speaker C: Rufus Sewell. I don't know who that is. [01:27:55] Speaker B: Rufus Sewell? [01:27:58] Speaker D: Yeah, Rufus Sewell. A night's tale. [01:28:03] Speaker C: Have you seen a knight's tale? [01:28:07] Speaker D: He's the bad prince. [01:28:14] Speaker C: Wait a second. [01:28:15] Speaker D: A young Rufusua. Looks like TJ in this movie to me. [01:28:21] Speaker A: Yes, actually, I have a connection to him. We'll talk off camera about. [01:28:34] Speaker C: That. [01:28:35] Speaker D: He had a similar looks, similar like presence. And then Axel. I was totally shocked to find out the actor. Axel went on to direct episodes of the Simpsons on the animation team for the Simpsons movie. [01:28:52] Speaker C: That's incredible. [01:28:56] Speaker B: I think it's interesting if you google Paul Kelman, it's like an obituary photo, and he's got this giant, giant beard. Being an old man. [01:29:07] Speaker A: I quit acting and had a lot of babies. [01:29:12] Speaker C: Go on. I don't know. [01:29:13] Speaker D: Is that your canadian voice? [01:29:16] Speaker A: This is my old canadian voice, yes. [01:29:20] Speaker B: Does the old override the canadian? [01:29:23] Speaker C: Is that kind of. What. [01:29:24] Speaker A: No, this is mostly canadian. You sound like old minor. [01:29:32] Speaker B: It's old minor. They got black lungs. [01:29:36] Speaker A: And by minor, I mean underage. I'm underage, but I'm actually twelve years old. Chris Hansen and I work together. It's Chris Hansen, right? [01:29:53] Speaker B: Yeah, Chris Hansen. [01:29:57] Speaker A: Didn't he get caught, or am I making that up? [01:29:59] Speaker B: He did something. I don't remember what it was. [01:30:01] Speaker A: He did something cancel culture, like. [01:30:04] Speaker C: No, I think he did a soft. [01:30:07] Speaker B: Crime, if I'm not mistaken, but a soft crime. [01:30:12] Speaker A: Like a brie. It was a brie. [01:30:15] Speaker B: This wasn't an age cheddar crime. [01:30:18] Speaker A: I'm speaking in Wisconsin. [01:30:21] Speaker D: It was a. Yeah, yeah. [01:30:28] Speaker A: Now, Mickey, you live in the town where the remake was. [01:30:35] Speaker D: Live. The house in the beginning. It's in a couple of different scenes, but yeah, the house where our main female lead lives is literally. I can look out my window and see it. And every year they decorate the front yard with the minor killer. So the people who bought the house recognize it and do that. Yeah, they filmed my bloody Valentine, the remake, in western Pa. So it's like a lot of it was shot. This is an old, kind of, like, mining town in a lot of ways. Steel mines got a lot of. Just slightly south is all coal mines. [01:31:23] Speaker C: So this movie also speaks to that. [01:31:27] Speaker D: Part, not just to the southern blue collar life that I grew up in, where I saw myself sitting in a junkyard drinking beers with friends. But also to the life that I live now in a Pittsburgh steel town and the rust belt of America. These people are very common, regardless of their accents. These are the people that I live around now. Everybody's tied to the steel mines or. [01:31:54] Speaker C: The coal mines here. [01:31:59] Speaker A: I find myself so drawn to these sort of industrial mining towns. And, like, that's. [01:32:04] Speaker D: We talk about. [01:32:05] Speaker A: We did an episode on Martin. George Romero's Martin. [01:32:08] Speaker C: Beautiful. [01:32:09] Speaker A: And like, that's. [01:32:10] Speaker C: It's just something about it connect with. Yeah. Did you guys enjoy the remake? [01:32:25] Speaker B: I saw it once. I remember going into it thinking that it was going to be horrible and being like, oh, that was better than I thought. Now beyond that though, I don't really recall, honestly. [01:32:39] Speaker D: It'S not good. [01:32:41] Speaker C: I wouldn't say it's good. [01:32:43] Speaker D: I would say it's a passable, like, what was it? When did that come out? [01:32:51] Speaker A: That's late 2000s during the re seven. [01:32:54] Speaker D: Was it seven or ten? [01:32:57] Speaker A: I think it was nine. [01:32:58] Speaker C: Okay, nine. [01:32:59] Speaker A: I think it was nine. But somewhere in there. [01:33:01] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, Molly and I rented it because we lived down the road from the house that was shot in. So we've seen it and I just remember being like a passable. [01:33:13] Speaker C: 2000S film. [01:33:15] Speaker D: That'S trying to do something that, yeah, it's fine for a watch. It didn't really stand out. It wasn't great. There's a lot of those though. It's like one of the better ones is like Texas Chainsaw massacre, but a lot of them are not like Friday 13th I didn't think was a good remake. I didn't really like it. [01:33:31] Speaker A: I would recommend the Friday the 13th reboot reimagining way over the chainsaw massacre. [01:33:38] Speaker C: Over my bloody bond. [01:33:40] Speaker D: Yeah, over my bloody Valentine. [01:33:43] Speaker C: Friday 13th is what I'm saying. [01:33:45] Speaker B: Friday the 13th remake over the my bloody Valentine. [01:33:47] Speaker D: Yeah, I agree with that way. [01:33:50] Speaker B: I would agree. And it's interesting. [01:33:52] Speaker A: Jesse ankles and brother supernatural guy. Yeah, I think it's interesting. They both did a remake on their off time. [01:34:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:34:02] Speaker B: The big problem with the my bloody Valentine remake is that's doing the cheesy 3d thing, right? [01:34:08] Speaker A: It was a 3d thing and it's. [01:34:11] Speaker C: Also just like it. [01:34:14] Speaker A: It looks terrible. It's that digital. It just looks awful. It just doesn't look good. And their concept for it, I don't think. Anyways, it doesn't have everything this has going for it. [01:34:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, what a cool aesthetic. The miners like mask and outfit and headlamp. [01:34:41] Speaker C: I don't know. [01:34:42] Speaker B: That works for me so well, you know what I mean? Of all the slasher film get ups, that's one of the best. [01:34:48] Speaker C: Oh yeah. [01:34:52] Speaker D: I would call that one of the. [01:34:54] Speaker C: Top ten slasher like killers, you know? Let's hear it. [01:34:59] Speaker B: Top ten, top ten slasher. [01:35:04] Speaker D: Coming in at number ten is the driller killer from slower party masker two. [01:35:19] Speaker A: In a text. Our text, tread, tread, tread text chain. And our text chain I was mentioning know we did cruising if you go listen to that episode. But I was like, I can't believe I didn't think about John Travolta would have been perfect in place of Al Pacino and then Mickey said. [01:35:43] Speaker C: Ilich. [01:35:44] Speaker D: What's his first name? The driller killer. Would have been a great. He belongs in cruising. [01:35:54] Speaker A: Yeah, cruising would have. Would have exponentially better. Damn it. John Travolta in the same movie again. Stallone directs it. [01:36:05] Speaker D: This is a film I'm going to see. [01:36:07] Speaker B: I'm slamming the brakes on this conversation. We've already talked about cruising way too much in the non cruising episode. [01:36:14] Speaker D: Do you know how many episodes cruising is in? [01:36:17] Speaker B: Probably every one. [01:36:19] Speaker A: Yeah, just about everyone. [01:36:23] Speaker C: Yeah. Can we real quick? [01:36:26] Speaker B: We touched base on it earlier, but your guys'thoughts. On Valentine's Day? Just the holiday? [01:36:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:36:35] Speaker A: I don't like it. [01:36:37] Speaker C: Not a fan. [01:36:39] Speaker A: Sure. I do have a quick fun Valentine's. [01:36:43] Speaker C: Day story for my youth. [01:36:45] Speaker A: I grew up in the. Would make a shoebox. You take a shoebox and you would make, like, you decorate it for Valentine's Day, and then you get Valentine's from everyone in your class. [01:36:56] Speaker C: Right now. [01:36:57] Speaker A: My sister was in middle school, and this kid who thought he was being funny, it was like he bought, like wrestler themed, like, WWE Valentine's Day cards and his card that he put into my sister's box. I can't believe I just said that. [01:37:21] Speaker D: Go on about your sister's box. Go ahead. [01:37:27] Speaker A: Was like, super insulting and inappropriate, what he put in there. And I remember he got sent to detention and my brother Frank found out about it and went into the detention and chased him down and kicked his ass. [01:37:46] Speaker B: Nice. [01:37:47] Speaker C: Love that. [01:37:50] Speaker A: But, yeah, I like to be romantic the rest of the year. [01:38:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:38:03] Speaker A: I don't really like with Ali, and I always check in with it, but I'm like, you're okay that we're not. [01:38:11] Speaker C: Doing a thing on this day. We can do something special. [01:38:14] Speaker A: Another. [01:38:17] Speaker C: I'm just. [01:38:17] Speaker A: I'm just not into it. I'm just not into it. [01:38:19] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't like. [01:38:23] Speaker D: I mean, I'm. I'm lucky that both myself and Molly. [01:38:28] Speaker C: Are kind of in agreement that we. [01:38:31] Speaker D: Call it a young love holiday. It's kind of like, it's something where when you're young and in puppy love, it's like it's Valentine's Day. I need to get you something. It's going to be so. [01:38:46] Speaker C: Mall. [01:38:46] Speaker A: That's what Molly sounds like for people. [01:38:48] Speaker D: Who haven't listened to the podcast then. But then as you get older, especially, I think Valentine's Day kind of gets replaced with your anniversary as far as when you do something special like that. [01:39:02] Speaker C: And whatever else she wants, for sure. [01:39:07] Speaker D: Saturday, Sunday, Saturday. [01:39:13] Speaker B: But also, real quick pause. I don't think that you guys are holding the women out of the basement. I don't think they want to come near the basement. [01:39:26] Speaker A: Popcorn and the stale beer and, like. [01:39:28] Speaker C: Us talking about the horror movies. That's weird. [01:39:32] Speaker A: Sorry, Michigan. [01:39:34] Speaker D: But we have both agreed that our youngest son is a February 16 birthday. So we are so kind of tuned into kind of celebrating him and kind of making this time about him that we just kind of let it go by the wayside and it doesn't bother us. And I think that we would be honest with each other if we expected more out of these days, even this year. The surprise was I took her out for two cocktails at a place that she really likes, and she bought me a nice bottle of Lafroyg. And that was like, our treats to each other. [01:40:09] Speaker C: And that's it. [01:40:11] Speaker D: That's nice. [01:40:12] Speaker A: But. [01:40:14] Speaker D: It was just like, I know you like this. Happy Valentine's Day. I'm like, well, here, let's at least. [01:40:18] Speaker C: Just go do something. [01:40:19] Speaker D: So we're not doing nothing, but typically we don't do anything. The best thing we've done in the last ten years is have friends over to watch my bloody Valentine. [01:40:28] Speaker C: Right. There you go. [01:40:30] Speaker B: Which is awesome. I think that's great. [01:40:32] Speaker A: That's awesome. Yeah. [01:40:34] Speaker D: What about yourself? [01:40:35] Speaker B: Well, it's interesting, right? Because I was actually talking about this with my wife. I mean, similar to you guys, my wife and I, we don't really do much for Valentine's Day. Because to that point, right, it's like, it's, know, kind of ridiculous holiday. But funny enough, in watching this, actually this year and seeing a lot of the decorations and then thinking about a lot of those things, like growing up and the Valentine's cards on that, I. [01:41:00] Speaker C: Was like, man, you can celebrate the. [01:41:03] Speaker B: Day without falling victim to the ridiculous commercialization of the holiday, right? Because why not, right? It's the middle of winter. It sucks, it's gray, it's cold. Why not have, like, pinks, reds, pastels, hearts. [01:41:20] Speaker A: Buy some construction paper, make some hearts. Yeah, I hear you there. [01:41:25] Speaker B: I think that actually, this has been a bit of a turning point for me this year of, like, you know, I think in the future, I'm going to celebrate Valentine's Day now. Not in some sort of ridiculous way, like, go to some restaurant and pay double what you would normally pay or. But, like, why not do something a little more homespun and fun? Because why that? I think my appreciation of the holidays actually grown through my viewing of this film. And thinking about it this year, I. [01:41:50] Speaker A: Think we're setting a trend here. I like this. [01:41:53] Speaker C: And Mickey, I think you set up. [01:41:55] Speaker B: A good example there. I think what you're talking about, that's awesome. Like doing a little watch party, like with my bloody Valentine around the time of year. [01:42:02] Speaker C: Anyway. [01:42:04] Speaker A: I will say, early in my. [01:42:07] Speaker C: Relationship with Allie, just for fun, because. [01:42:11] Speaker A: She thought it was funny, she got me this gigantic Valentine's Day card. That's like 3ft tall, right? I still have it to this day. And if you're a constant listener, you'll know that I am obsessed with Halloween. And because I live in a small place, most of my Halloween decorations are paper based. So I still have this gigantic Valentine's Day card. And I keep all of my paper Halloween decorations inside the card. I lay them all out within the card. I close up the card, and then I use. [01:42:47] Speaker C: What are those clampy things called? The paper clamp things in the office. You know what I'm talking about? Paper Clamp. Paper clips. [01:42:59] Speaker A: Not clips, but the clamps. [01:43:01] Speaker C: You know what I'm talking about? Paper clamps. Is that what they're called? I mean, I think some of the. [01:43:07] Speaker D: Ones you clip them on and you fold the silver pieces over black. [01:43:13] Speaker A: They're not always black, but. Yeah, well, they're still. [01:43:16] Speaker C: They're usually black. Sure. [01:43:19] Speaker A: They're mostly black. [01:43:21] Speaker B: Clips. [01:43:21] Speaker C: Are they. Paper clips are paper clamps clips? [01:43:25] Speaker B: They're just clips. [01:43:26] Speaker D: They're not clamps. No, they're definitely not clips. [01:43:28] Speaker A: Paper clips are definitely. [01:43:29] Speaker D: I know what paper clips are. It's not a paper clip, but it's not a clamp. [01:43:34] Speaker C: Okay. [01:43:34] Speaker D: A clamp is a different thing. It's definitely a clip. [01:43:38] Speaker C: It's not a clip. [01:43:41] Speaker A: I promise you. [01:43:41] Speaker C: It's a clip. [01:43:42] Speaker D: It's not a clamp. A clamp is totally different. Twist down. A clamp is something you clamp down by twisting down. It is called a fucking clip. Now, it might be called a binder clip. It might be called something. [01:43:54] Speaker A: Oh, I think it's called a binder clip. It's called a binder clip. Okay, so I guess you're right. It is a clip, but it's not a paper clip. It's a binder clip. I didn't say that. [01:44:03] Speaker C: It's a type of clip. [01:44:07] Speaker B: It's called a binder clip. [01:44:09] Speaker C: Binder clip. [01:44:10] Speaker A: There you go. This is why we're not a success. I'm like, I need one of those paper clamps. And you're like, it's a fucking clamp. What is it called again? A finder clip. [01:44:25] Speaker C: And it's a. [01:44:29] Speaker D: I do think that you need to understand the difference between. [01:44:30] Speaker C: A clip and a clamp? [01:44:32] Speaker D: A clamp is just a different thing altogether. I'm not going to get it. [01:44:36] Speaker A: Clamp is when Eddie Murphy plays a bunch of characters in a family and they fart. Eddie Murphy coming up a lot tonight. [01:44:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:44:46] Speaker D: He really be really a nova scotian. [01:44:53] Speaker A: Film about a bunch of white people in a town. [01:44:56] Speaker B: Time to bring up. [01:45:00] Speaker C: Scotia. [01:45:00] Speaker A: Most people don't know he's from Nova Scotia. [01:45:06] Speaker C: Take that to the bank. [01:45:08] Speaker A: Is there anything else we want to talk about before we. Two quick little recommendations. [01:45:15] Speaker C: Actually, three quick little things. Number one, have you ever eaten a heart? Yes. [01:45:24] Speaker B: Yeah, I have. As a part of. Not distinctly prepared by itself, though. [01:45:33] Speaker C: You know what I mean? [01:45:34] Speaker B: Like I've had it mixed in other organ meats. [01:45:36] Speaker C: Got you. Okay. [01:45:39] Speaker D: I was going to say not bad. I enjoy it. Yeah, I like it. [01:45:42] Speaker C: It's good. It's chewy. Yeah. I've never had it. But what you get from it, though. [01:45:50] Speaker A: Is the power of the other man. [01:45:52] Speaker C: Sure, of course. [01:45:53] Speaker D: So you're talking about a man's heart. You've eaten a man's heart? [01:45:56] Speaker C: Yes, I've eaten a deer heart, but. [01:46:01] Speaker D: Not boiled, just fried. Not even fried. Just in a pan, sauteed on both sides with a little bit of raspberry jam. [01:46:09] Speaker C: Delicious. Okay. And then my other question was, what. [01:46:16] Speaker D: Do you feel more comfortable with a pickaxe or a shovel if you're getting into a fight? [01:46:20] Speaker B: I was going to say that same thing. I forgot. Okay, I've got a take on that. I think your shovel is the way to go. [01:46:27] Speaker D: I thought TJ had an upper hand by having the shovel. [01:46:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think he wields it very well, though. [01:46:35] Speaker C: I think. Shoot, Sarah. [01:46:39] Speaker B: Sarah's getting in the way like half the time during the fight, too. Sarah, she's like on top of him. [01:46:45] Speaker D: Just stay on the minecart. Just stay on the minecart and get to. [01:46:50] Speaker C: About. [01:46:50] Speaker A: Can we talk about Patty? I forgot about Patty. [01:46:53] Speaker C: Sure. [01:46:53] Speaker A: Patty, she becomes a real liability. She becomes a real. And you know what? I got to say, it is very understandable. I mean, this is a crazy situation. The love of her life has just. [01:47:06] Speaker D: Died in front of milk gun and head. [01:47:09] Speaker A: It's like she's being chased by this legend, ghost killer, man. She's totally understandable that she freaks out on the ladder and she can't do. Like when Mickey and I were on our little company retreat this summer. I need Mickey to be with me to get across the lake that we were it's like I was on a. [01:47:34] Speaker D: Paddleboard eating a bowl of Mac and. [01:47:36] Speaker A: Cheese just right there next to you. And that made me feel safe. [01:47:41] Speaker C: I know. [01:47:43] Speaker A: It's a real dad move. [01:47:45] Speaker D: That's the dad in me right there. [01:47:47] Speaker C: You got it. [01:47:48] Speaker B: You're doing great, kid. [01:47:50] Speaker D: You're doing great. [01:47:50] Speaker C: You'll be fine. Yeah, shovel. [01:47:53] Speaker A: Shovel all the way. [01:47:54] Speaker D: Yeah, you're a shovel. [01:47:54] Speaker C: Okay. [01:47:55] Speaker B: Definitely. [01:47:55] Speaker C: Good deal. [01:47:56] Speaker D: And then, and then my final thing. [01:47:58] Speaker C: Was Paul Zaza and the ballad of Harry Warden. [01:48:02] Speaker A: Oh, it's awesome. That's pretty cool. [01:48:07] Speaker C: Yeah, that's pretty great. I just thought that. That's awesome. [01:48:11] Speaker B: Well, and to the point, right? How many other films can you think that they have, like a little original song about the film, wickerman. [01:48:19] Speaker C: Wicker, man. [01:48:20] Speaker B: Good point. [01:48:23] Speaker D: That's one of my faves. One of my faves. [01:48:27] Speaker A: This belongs in a section with Wickerman. [01:48:31] Speaker D: Yeah, definitely has some folk to it. [01:48:33] Speaker C: Yeah, but that's all I had. That's it. [01:48:36] Speaker D: Those are the three things that we didn't touch on that I just happened to have. [01:48:41] Speaker A: Chris, you got anything, man? [01:48:43] Speaker C: No, I'm good. Okay. Yeah. So who's coming into the video store. [01:48:51] Speaker A: That we recommend this movie to? [01:48:53] Speaker D: Yeah, you want to start Chris, or you want to let me? I hate to do it, but I can't think of anybody I wouldn't recommend this to. I think it's fun. Now I will say with this caveat. [01:49:07] Speaker C: Your best watching will be in a group setting, celebrate the holiday, make it an event that's going to be your best possible watch. [01:49:21] Speaker D: But just even offshoot, if somebody comes in and they're telling me they like slasher films and they haven't seen this one, it's a no brainer. This is one, this is a slasher. [01:49:30] Speaker C: Film you have to see. So that's me. [01:49:34] Speaker D: Simple to the point. [01:49:35] Speaker B: I'm going to completely champion Mickey, but then I'll even ramp it up a little bit. I think you come in and you're, yeah, like, I want a good horror film, but man, I hate slashers. Check out my bloody Valentine. [01:49:48] Speaker A: Give it a chance because this might. [01:49:50] Speaker B: Be a gateway to other slasher films or even be a bit of a standalone of like. No, there's a few out there that definitely you will find that you'll love and appreciate. And I think this is one of them. [01:50:02] Speaker C: I like that. [01:50:03] Speaker B: I don't know, Michelangelo, if you're going to dive into it or not, like all the different forms of this film and like, and maybe did you come across it, but that there's a PG version cut of this film that was released in Singapore. [01:50:17] Speaker A: I did not know that. [01:50:18] Speaker C: No. [01:50:19] Speaker B: I would love to watch the PG version. [01:50:22] Speaker A: I'd watch all the versions. [01:50:24] Speaker B: Same. [01:50:25] Speaker C: Yeah, but my point then there is that, right? [01:50:28] Speaker B: You got a version for all audiences. You want to watch a horror film with your eight year old? We got a PG version of it. [01:50:36] Speaker C: Yeah, but, yeah, no, I think that. [01:50:39] Speaker B: This is a film that. I think as long as you're going to be good with the styles and the substance of a late 70s, early 80s film, you're going to dig this. You know what I mean? I think it's a great slasher. I think it's concise. Pacing is good. You care about the characters. I think it just works. [01:51:03] Speaker D: You like cruising? Do you like cruising? [01:51:07] Speaker C: Then you'll love my beloved Valentine. [01:51:11] Speaker A: I got to say, I wouldn't recommend this to anyone. I would check out the 2009 version over this. I shout out to Mabel. Poor Mabel. Poor Mabel. [01:51:43] Speaker B: Poor Mabel. [01:51:49] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:51:51] Speaker A: So thanks, listener, for joining us for our third Valentine's Day episode. We love you. This is our. [01:52:05] Speaker B: Love to give. [01:52:07] Speaker A: Thank you to Mickey, our editor, our co host, our champion of handsome men with Stubble. I love you. And I love our story. [01:52:22] Speaker B: Podcast, hot dog eating champion. [01:52:26] Speaker A: Definite podcast. Apple bobbing champion for sure. That's been proven. Thank you, Chris, for joining us in the basement tonight. For the listener, again, thank you. And if you want to see visual aids with this, we, I don't know if this episode will be one of them, but you can go to YouTube where we will be having some of our episodes transferred to YouTube with some visual aids. And how does that work, Mickey? [01:53:01] Speaker D: Yeah, we partnered with Red Tower Entertainment, spooky fun YouTube channel. We're so glad to have them as partners as we move forward and having our YouTube presence. [01:53:17] Speaker A: What's the YouTube that they can go to? [01:53:20] Speaker D: Do you have it? The return slot of horror podcast. You just want to search that in your YouTube search window. Just put in the return slot of horror podcast and then you'll be able to check us out. And also along with that, check out Red Tower Entertainment. They're doing some fun stuff, too. You can see the Red Tower spectacular film festival is coming up. If you're a filmmaker, please submit via film freeway so you can be a part of their spooktacular film festival. [01:53:46] Speaker A: That's filmfreeway.com redtower. Also, if you love fangoria like we do, get 20% off your Entire order at checkout with Code Red Tower. That's insane. You get a year subscription to Fangoria. 20% off. That's crazy. [01:54:07] Speaker D: I can get 20% off anything, let alone one of my favorite nostalgic horror magazines. One of the places that made me fall in love with filmmaking. [01:54:21] Speaker A: I got to say, I tried to get 20% off of my wife. This Valentine's Day didn't work out for me. But if I had that Code Red. [01:54:29] Speaker B: Tower, I'm not going to give you any. I'm going to give you stone silence on that one, guy. [01:54:42] Speaker A: So, hey, also, what's an advantage of the YouTube? Coming to the YouTube and checking out our YouTube's ask us some questions. It's supposed to be more interactive. Should be. We'll see what happens. [01:54:58] Speaker D: I'll put this out to you. Listener. Listener. [01:55:00] Speaker C: Listener. [01:55:01] Speaker D: Listener. Listener. Okay, let's be honest. [01:55:03] Speaker C: Okay? [01:55:03] Speaker D: In the opening statement that I make when we start this podcast, I say that these sections are curated by conversations with our patrons. You are our patrons. Join this conversation. Tell us other films that belong in these sections. I'm open to it. We can come back to sections and come back and redo films in these same sections we've done. We want to hear other films you think belong. Because I'm going to either one agree with you and love you and invite you into the store more often, or I'm going to disagree with you and you're going to be banned and banished to the cold outside, never to return. [01:55:36] Speaker A: Snowplace like death. Snowplace like death. So, happy Valentine's Day. I think we have a exclusive episode that will be recorded soon. Exclusive to YouTube. So you'll only for a certain amount of time, be able to listen and view it on YouTube. So thanks again, Chris, again, thank you. We love having you come visit us in the basement. Make sure you put the laser disc back under the secret floorboard in the video store where you found it. [01:56:18] Speaker B: There's a guy down there. [01:56:19] Speaker C: He'll take it from me. [01:56:21] Speaker A: I think we should end the episode with some Nick Cave. [01:56:27] Speaker B: Down there with a red rock. [01:56:35] Speaker D: That's what I'm talking about. [01:56:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:56:38] Speaker D: Thanks for listening, eh? [01:56:40] Speaker A: Thanks for listening there, bud. [01:56:42] Speaker D: That's pretty. [01:56:44] Speaker C: Glad to have you over. [01:56:50] Speaker B: That's the up. It's not Canada.